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Bill seeking increase in number of SC Judges | Hassan Ayub Break Big News

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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, I am your host Khabar Ghumman.
00:15Today, we are going to talk about the electricity bill in Pakistan.
00:22As you know, yesterday there was a huge strike in the country.
00:25And for the past few weeks, we have been hearing from government officials that there is going to be a big decision on electricity prices.
00:33Mr. Hassan Ayyub has also told us.
00:35Government officials are also giving us this news.
00:39Now, will electricity be cheaper? We will talk about this in the program.
00:43Also, in Punjab, there is an agreement between Pakistan Muslim League Noon and Pakistan People's Party.
00:50No one has seen this unseen agreement.
00:52According to this agreement, Pakistan People's Party had to be adjusted.
00:56We are getting news from Takht-e-Lahore that when the agreement is put in front of Mariam Sahiba, she feels uncomfortable.
01:05It is a matter of giving some excuses.
01:07She is coming on the formula of power sharing.
01:10We will share the exclusive story with you in the second part of the program.
01:15But first of all, the big issue that is going on.
01:18We are sitting in Wafaaq, in Islamabad.
01:21There is only one issue under discussion in Islamabad.
01:24Will the current Chief Justice continue?
01:27After 23rd October, when he has to superannuate, when his term of office is going to be completed,
01:33is he getting an extension or not?
01:36And the government is going to increase the number of judges.
01:39Judges' retirement age has some intention of legislating.
01:44So these are all the issues.
01:46We will talk about this in the first part of the program, which is our top story.
01:51Today, a story has been published in Dawn newspaper.
01:55Let me show you that.
01:57And this is basically about the number of judges.
02:01This is an incident of 1997.
02:04At that time, you will remember, Mr. Nawaz Sharif had a heavy mandate.
02:09There was a two-third majority in the National Assembly.
02:12And some matters went bad with the Supreme Court at that time, with the Chief Justice.
02:18So it was decided that the number of judges should be reduced from 17 to 13.
02:23Legislation was prepared.
02:25Sorry, it should be reduced from 17 to 12.
02:27Legislation was prepared.
02:29And the president of the Bar of the Supreme Court at that time was Mr. Mohammad Akram Sheikh.
02:38He told Dawn last night that I went to the Supreme Court again.
02:42When the case was filed in front of the Supreme Court,
02:45the Attorney General at that time, you are late, may Allah forgive him,
02:51Mr. Chaudhry Mohammad Farooq was called.
02:55So by that time it was seen that the Supreme Court can take very strict action on it.
03:01So the AG went there and said that there was a plan, there was an intention, there was a thought.
03:08And we are taking back this legislation.
03:11This is the whole story.
03:13Now Mr. Daniel Chaudhry, a young, excited MNA from Rawalpindi,
03:17he kept the bill in the court as a private member.
03:23That day there was a problem with the quorum.
03:25Now there is information that it may be taken up tomorrow.
03:28And in that he is saying that he intends to increase the number of judges.
03:33And this is his personal thought.
03:35Listen to what he is saying.
03:37The bill is basically for some backlog in the Supreme Court.
03:41That yes, there have been more than 10-12 years in which the appeal has been in pending.
03:47To address that, the quantity of judges should be 20.
03:52And the issues of your people should be addressed.
03:57In your bill, Mr. Daniel, is there anything about the retirement of the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court?
04:04No, there is nothing in it.
04:06After that, Mr. Rana Sanawala also said in this regard.
04:11When he was asked that this bill is a government bill, the government is presenting restrictions.
04:17This is a private member bill. Listen.
04:19This bill is not from the government.
04:21And on a private member's day, any ...
04:24You know these small incidents always happen.
04:26Now the man is yours.
04:28That is our command.
04:30But the man does not do everything by asking.
04:33No, Mr. Daniel Jauzi, without asking, Mr. Rana, this kind of bill is related to the judges.
04:39He will prepare it himself.
04:41The judges may have this desire.
04:45Everyone says that Sadat ...
04:48This is not acceptable.
04:50Viewers are watching you.
04:52But you should agree.
04:54This bill has been presented on a private member's day.
04:58This has not been presented by the government.
05:00It did not happen.
05:01But ...
05:02It would not have happened without the will of the government.
05:04No, if the will of the government is there, it will go ahead.
05:09Otherwise, if the will of the government is not there, then today this has come in our notice.
05:13So this will be withdrawn.
05:15Mr. Chaudhary Gulamshahi, today I will come to you first because ...
05:19The incident of 1997.
05:21I was still in the university at that time.
05:23We saw that the Supreme Court ...
05:26A complaint was filed.
05:28In it, a few people were punished.
05:31In my opinion, Mr. Daniel Aziz's father, if I can ...
05:35Mr. Choudhary Gulamshahi, Mr. Shehbaz Ghoshi.
05:38One of our famous Nilam Ghar hosts.
05:41No, they were punished.
05:42Yes, they were punished.
05:43Nilam Ghar host Mr. Tariq Aziz.
05:45Who else was there?
05:47There were a few more people.
05:49Mr. Choudhary, now the number of judges should be increased.
05:53In the country, there is a consensus on cheap and foreign justice.
05:58All political parties write in their manifesto ...
06:04That we will take all these steps.
06:06So that there is no penance.
06:08There is a quick benefit of the case.
06:10But the real thing is the intention.
06:13I was reading the story of Mr. Akram Sheikh.
06:15In it, he also says that the matter is of the decision of July 12.
06:19There is a worry about it.
06:21Now the audience is talking about Mr. Akram Sheikh.
06:26He is a senior lawyer.
06:28Because he is local here.
06:30Hassan Ayyub knows that he is respected in his legal fraternity.
06:35So it is a matter of intention.
06:37If you put it in front of 1997.
06:40And today put it in front of 2024.
06:43At that time, Pakistan was Muslim League Noon.
06:45Even today, Pakistan is Muslim League Noon.
06:47And the good thing is that Mr. Talat did not hit us.
06:49He said that you are trying to get small incidents.
06:53I mean, there is something else behind it.
06:55Mr. Rana, you know, he is also a player.
06:58He also laughed and came.
06:59He said, no, no, he is an individual.
07:00He thought that it was good.
07:02No, he is not a lion of the law.
07:04No, no, he is not.
07:05He is Barrister Aqeel.
07:07He is another young MNA.
07:11He is also from Rabalpindi.
07:12Yes, Mr. Chaudhary.
07:15No, so what are they trying to do?
07:17Why are they making a mess?
07:20It means that something should be done gracefully.
07:25If the time of the Chief Justice is over, then they should go.
07:28So what if you do 25, what if you do 100?
07:32It means that there is a burden on the treasury.
07:35There is no difference.
07:37The conditions of the country.
07:39Don't do much in such a game.
07:41I always say that someone should come to the service of the people.
07:44You don't have that.
07:46Today, because of the electricity bill,
07:49a sad incident has happened there towards Multan.
07:52We will talk about it.
07:53Mr. Jai, we will come to it.
07:54You comment on this first.
07:56Yes Mr. Jai.
07:57No, I will only say that what they are doing is of no use.
08:01They will be harmed.
08:02What will happen to them?
08:04They are nothing.
08:09Okay, Mr. Nagveer.
08:12Now, when it comes to increasing the number of judges,
08:15you will talk to any Pakistani,
08:17you will talk to a lawyer,
08:18he will say that there should be an increase in the number of cases in Pakistan.
08:22There are all cases.
08:24I have spoken to some lawyers,
08:26they have some experience,
08:27they cover the Supreme Court.
08:28I will also ask Hassan.
08:29They say that in Pakistan,
08:32in legal terms,
08:34the Chief Justice is called the father of the court.
08:37The Supreme Court has to look at all the cases as a father.
08:45So, the Supreme Court,
08:47there is also a Judicial Commission,
08:49the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court,
08:50the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court,
08:51can send a request to the Attorney General
08:53that we have these cases,
08:55it is a penance.
08:56The way these dog judges were taken the other day,
08:58so the number of judges can also be increased.
09:00But it is a matter of intention.
09:03What news do you have?
09:04First the news,
09:05then you can comment.
09:06Because you have already received a comment.
09:08You hide the news and take it somewhere.
09:12Mr. Nagveer.
09:13Look, the news is written on the wall
09:15that the number of judges is increasing.
09:17What is a bigger news than this?
09:19The reason.
09:20The reason.
09:21It is a matter of morality.
09:23So, from this assembly floor,
09:25we saw that
09:27Osama Bin Laden was called a martyr.
09:30From this assembly floor,
09:31we saw that
09:32in favor of Israel,
09:34it was said that
09:35diplomatic relations should be established with Israel.
09:37Then from this assembly floor,
09:39we saw that
09:41the current Minister of Justice
09:44presents such a resolution
09:47which later proves to be false.
09:49And on the basis of that,
09:50the entire system,
09:51on the basis of the cipher,
09:52the entire system is thrown away.
09:55So, the fact is that
09:56it is a matter of morality.
09:57If this Daniyal Chaudhary
09:58is bringing any such resolution
09:59on a private member
10:00or on a governmental level,
10:02then we have to see
10:03that the people sitting in our assembly,
10:06where are they standing in morality?
10:08If they are standing at a high level in morality,
10:10then the people are behind them.
10:12But if they are not standing
10:13and any of your resolutions,
10:14any thought,
10:15any slogan,
10:16any position,
10:17means only that
10:18if you want to achieve personal interests,
10:21then the people will gradually reject you
10:23and then you will not be able to show your face to anyone.
10:26Yes.
10:27Okay Hassan,
10:28in this,
10:29Akram Sheikh Sahib is saying that
10:31the number of judges is not as much
10:34as you will have to improve the system,
10:36you will have to bring efficiency into it.
10:38So,
10:39what they will do now,
10:41it is all about the timing.
10:42And you know,
10:43in politics,
10:44it is said that
10:45timing matters.
10:46Absolutely,
10:47you are right.
10:48Right now,
10:49Mr. Talal is also asking him again and again,
10:51is it possible in your opinion
10:53that
10:54Barrister Daniyal Aziz
10:56came up with a brilliant wave in his mind at night
10:59and made a law on it,
11:01wrote on it,
11:02made a note of it
11:03and submitted it to the assembly?
11:05Is it a note of it?
11:06These are the amendments of one page,
11:08which are of 1997,
11:10which is the strength of judges in the Supreme Court,
11:1217 is being made 22,
11:15and if you include it,
11:17it will become 23.
11:20So, it is a one-pager,
11:21it is not a big thing.
11:22You said,
11:23what is the news?
11:24So, should I give the news first?
11:25Yes, please,
11:26do a good job.
11:27The news is that,
11:28Mr. Nagrish does not give us the news,
11:29he keeps the news to himself.
11:30These amendments,
11:31they have been vetted.
11:33So,
11:34today,
11:35tomorrow,
11:36day after tomorrow,
11:37in September,
11:38Who does the vetting?
11:39Yes,
11:40the Law Ministry does it.
11:41The government does it.
11:42Yes,
11:43it has been vetted.
11:44So, this is a government bill.
11:45Yes,
11:46it is a private member bill,
11:47but it has been vetted.
11:49My sources are telling me,
11:50the Law Ministry is not saying anything.
11:51You listen to the news,
11:52I am telling you.
11:53Sir,
11:54I am supporting your news.
11:55Yes,
11:56it has been vetted.
11:57When you say that the vetting has been done,
11:58Who does the vetting?
11:59You know the Law Ministry does it.
12:00I am saying the same.
12:01The vetting is done by a private member,
12:03who can hire a consultant.
12:05So,
12:06the vetting is a good thing.
12:07The Law Ministry is doing it,
12:08the government is doing it.
12:09So,
12:10it will be fully supported.
12:11It cannot happen without it.
12:12It cannot happen without it,
12:13but it should happen,
12:14because there is a lot of pendency.
12:15And the real thing is,
12:16let's not talk about the timing,
12:17it is about the timing.
12:18The timing is that,
12:19the decision of the Supreme Court on July 12th,
12:21when you will move away from the law,
12:23and when you will give your likes and dislikes on it,
12:26then,
12:27absolutely,
12:28you should increase the number.
12:30If there is pendency,
12:31you should increase the number to end it.
12:33And the judges,
12:34who you think are not following the law,
12:37then,
12:38you are not a judge.
12:39You should bring them.
12:40And not only here,
12:41the number should increase in the High Court,
12:43the number should increase in the District Courts.
12:45Do you know,
12:46how many are there in the pendency country?
12:472.5 million.
12:4825 lakh cases have been filed,
12:50and the arm petitioner is crying.
12:53I am fully aware of your enthusiasm and passion,
12:58and I admit,
12:59you present the argument in a very good way.
13:03One judge,
13:04more than one judge,
13:05In Pakistan,
13:06it is said that,
13:07Parliament is Supreme,
13:09Supreme Court is Supreme,
13:12Parliament is Supreme,
13:13Supreme Court is not Supreme.
13:14Ok, listen to me.
13:15In the Parliamentary System of the Republic,
13:17Supreme is one thing,
13:18the law.
13:19What is to be done in the law?
13:20Ok, listen to me.
13:21According to you,
13:22and according to the majority of the government,
13:24I mean,
13:25the majority of the government says,
13:26that the 8 judges,
13:28who made the decision on July 12th,
13:30of the pendency,
13:31are against the law,
13:32are against the law.
13:34So, the people behind this,
13:35what is the logic behind it?
13:37209, 80,
13:38why don't they use it?
13:39In the Supreme Court,
13:40the matter is,
13:41You don't think it should be taken there?
13:43Actually, what is the problem?
13:45No, you told me the problem.
13:46The problem is,
13:47what is the problem of not going that way?
13:50Right now,
13:51the option of review is there,
13:52who has the option of correcting their mistake,
13:55the Supreme Court,
13:56and these judges have an option,
13:58they should avail this remedy of theirs.
14:00If they don't do it,
14:02then the option of 209 is also there,
14:04it can be exercised,
14:06and it is possible that,
14:08it can be done in some other way.
14:09That has also been vetted,
14:10a reference has been vetted.
14:11No, that has not been vetted yet.
14:12That has not been vetted yet.
14:13Now, when it comes to the case of review,
14:14you can imagine,
14:15that,
14:16according to the Petition Procedure Law,
14:18three committees,
14:19the Petition Procedure Committee,
14:21will fix the cases.
14:23But they also say,
14:24that you have to fix the review within 15 days,
14:27but the judges will go on leave there.
14:29There are summer vacations there.
14:31It is fine,
14:32but do not fix the review within 15 days,
14:35do not follow the law,
14:37because we will have vacations.
14:39So, the vacations will be given in advance,
14:41by our honourable judges,
14:43that the vacations will be given in advance,
14:45in relation to the law.
14:47It is obvious,
14:48there should be a rule of law in the country.
14:50There is a law,
14:51there is a law on the law.
14:52The vacations are given in advance by the law.
14:54Viewers,
14:55now let us go to Mr. Rana Sonawala,
14:57when he was asked a question again,
14:59he is saying that,
15:01the issue of retirement age,
15:03because there is controversy on this issue,
15:06if the retirement age increases,
15:08then the current Chief Justice will be able to continue,
15:11otherwise on 23rd October or 24th October,
15:14his tenure will end.
15:16What is he saying?
15:17Listen.
15:18Two things have been discussed for a long time.
15:21The judges of the High Court,
15:22their age of retirement is 62 years.
15:25The judges of the Supreme Court,
15:27their age of retirement is 65 years.
15:30Now, for these three years,
15:32every time,
15:33there is a controversy everywhere.
15:35Every person wants to come here,
15:37for three years,
15:38to take more time.
15:40There is no harm in it,
15:42if the date of retirement,
15:44of the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court,
15:46becomes one,
15:47both become 65 years.
15:49In this regard,
15:50the barge is also on board,
15:53and the judges have no objection.
15:56So, this is under consideration,
15:59that everyone,
16:00and let me tell you,
16:02or you can note,
16:03that if the age increases,
16:05it will not only increase for the judges,
16:07it will increase for everyone.
16:09If the age increases,
16:11then it will increase for everyone,
16:13it will increase for you as well.
16:14Mr. Khawar, if you permit me,
16:16you will have to ask a question,
16:18and if you don't want to answer it,
16:19then don't.
16:20So, because Mr. Khawar Govind,
16:23the judges of the Supreme Court,
16:258 or 11 or whatever,
16:27because according to them,
16:29or according to you,
16:31they have given a judgment,
16:33contrary to the law and the constitution,
16:35should they be dismissed,
16:37through a resolution,
16:38or should they resign themselves?
16:40Resolution would be enough for a National Assembly,
16:42in my opinion.
16:43But Mr. Musade Malik is saying,
16:44that we need a right judge.
16:46No, this is your...
16:47You are talking about me, right?
16:49Listen to me.
16:50He is addressing me.
16:51He is addressing you,
16:52but he is not addressing me.
16:53He is an old man, let him talk.
16:55He is laughing, he is smiling.
16:57We know...
16:58No, no, I will listen patiently.
17:00Mr. Chaudhary is elder to me,
17:01he is very respectable.
17:02Look, your influence and Mr. Nakvi's influence,
17:05we take that influence very seriously.
17:07Yes, yes.
17:08We get upset.
17:10So, please take care of our health.
17:12Let him talk about Mr. Chaudhary's health.
17:14He wants to talk, let him talk.
17:15I am saying the same.
17:16Please take care of us.
17:17Mr. Musade Malik is saying,
17:19listen to him.
17:21There are many countries,
17:23where there is a seniority principle.
17:25The principle is, the best judge.
17:27There must be a discussion,
17:29a school of thought must be saying,
17:30this should happen,
17:31a school of thought must be saying,
17:32this should not happen.
17:33Look, both.
17:34One says,
17:35like we say in civil service,
17:36everyone reaches to a certain level of incompetence.
17:41So, this should not happen.
17:43And when...
17:44In the world,
17:45you have never said,
17:46the oldest person should be made the CEO.
17:49So, when this is not the case anywhere in the world,
17:51and people do application of mind with seriousness,
17:54and the best person is given a chance,
17:58and age is put on success,
18:01that until you become an old man,
18:03we will not let you succeed.
18:05Sir, but it was interesting,
18:06what you said.
18:08Our Mr. Musade Malik,
18:10viewers,
18:11until he becomes an old man.
18:13Now, Mr. Musade Malik,
18:15you know,
18:16viewers,
18:17he has spent most of his life in America.
18:19He has studied in America.
18:20In America,
18:21he has studied in biochemistry.
18:25Sorry,
18:26if there is any mistake in my information in this regard.
18:28In America,
18:29viewers,
18:30when a judge is appointed,
18:32there are 9 judges there.
18:34So, that judge,
18:35until that brother-in-law does not die,
18:37does not die,
18:39until then,
18:40he remains on that position,
18:42or he becomes on the side of his own will.
18:45No one can point fingers at the judge.
18:48Mr. Nagni,
18:49you are a right judge.
18:50Once a judge is appointed at the level of Supreme Court,
18:53you can imagine,
18:55that you understand this argument.
18:57I mean,
18:58you do not have to be more influenced
19:01by the emotions of Hassan Ayub.
19:04I mean,
19:05I am talking a little differently.
19:07I mean,
19:08you understand this argument,
19:09that there is one person,
19:10who fulfills the criteria,
19:12he becomes a judge of the High Court,
19:14Chief Justice of the High Court,
19:15and then becomes a judge of the Supreme Court.
19:17So, still,
19:18our rulers across the board
19:20need a right judge,
19:22for the right place.
19:25Look,
19:26let's look at this in a different way.
19:27This is not possible.
19:28You should look at it in our way.
19:30Mr. Nagni,
19:31you should look at it in our way,
19:32in our position.
19:33What is your position,
19:34that I am talking about?
19:35You should come to our position,
19:37and talk a little.
19:39Maybe,
19:40it will be easier for you.
19:41No, no.
19:42I am talking about your position.
19:43That is why I said,
19:44let's look at it in a different way.
19:45Yes, yes.
19:46So, look,
19:47the thing is that,
19:48be it judges,
19:49they take advantage of the law,
19:52governments and institutions.
19:55Be it judges,
19:56be it officers sitting in other institutions,
19:58in any case,
19:59be it in bureaucracy,
20:01or in governments,
20:02anywhere.
20:03Or let's talk about private institutions.
20:05Let's talk about the media.
20:07Our misfortune is that,
20:08why are we not able to progress?
20:10We are not able to progress,
20:12because we don't let the right talent come forward.
20:15Let's just talk about the media.
20:17They have closed the door from inside.
20:19They don't let anyone in.
20:21People have been doing talk shows here for 25 years.
20:24There are 200 people behind them.
20:26Give them a chance.
20:27They have been sitting in the media positions for 25 years.
20:30There are poor talented people behind them.
20:32Give them a chance.
20:33For 25 years,
20:34Mr. Nagni,
20:35I have been here for 4 years.
20:36Mr. Nagni,
20:37I have just come into the profession for the last few years.
20:40I said for 25 years.
20:41I said,
20:42you don't understand yourself.
20:43I want to tell you this.
20:46The government is doing this to save itself.
20:50You have to camouflage.
20:52If you don't want to go on vacations,
20:55you say,
20:56let's listen to the reviews.
20:57We will go after a week.
20:58There was no debate.
20:59There was no fight.
21:00It would have been like milk and water.
21:03You yourself invited the government.
21:05You said,
21:06come and fight with us.
21:07The government stayed within the scope of the law
21:09and started fighting on the floor level.
21:12They started bringing resolutions.
21:15They started giving statements
21:17that came within the scope of the law
21:19and the parliament took advantage of it.
21:21We have to think
21:23that in all these scenarios,
21:26no matter which institution,
21:28are we allowing the right people to come first?
21:31Is the government supporting the right people?
21:34And thirdly,
21:35if there is any kind of conflict,
21:38protest or attack on anyone,
21:40did the government not invite them?
21:42This is the point.
21:43The argument that Mr. Chaudhary has made,
21:48a fully substantiated argument,
21:52that this is a wrong decision,
21:54a violation of the law,
21:55if we have to find a solution,
21:58how will we find a solution in the presence of judges?
22:01Where will the new judges come from?
22:04Only these judges can recall their decisions.
22:07And I think they will.
22:09Will Qazi Faiz Ishaq also take back his government?
22:11Yes, Qazi Faiz Ishaq's decision is about 8 judges.
22:14No, it is about 11 judges.
22:16Yes, Qazi Faiz Ishaq should take back his decision.
22:20I agree with his decision,
22:22and I do not agree with his remark
22:27that the Election Commission
22:29has misinterpreted the Supreme Court's decision.
22:32The Election Commission has made the right decision.
22:35I have read that decision several times.
22:37It was made on January 13.
22:39It was this implementation that the Election Commission made.
22:42Why did the judges write it?
22:44Why did they say it?
22:45It is difficult to understand.
22:46But as far as increasing the judges' strength is concerned,
22:51if the judges' strength increases,
22:53the judges of the Supreme Court's strength will also increase.
22:55And the Judicial Commission,
22:57which will elevate the judges of the Supreme Court,
23:01will also elevate the judges.
23:03Who did this before?
23:05The Judicial Commission.
23:07So, yes, I am talking about that.
23:09But I would like to say one thing.
23:11The election of judges in the High Court
23:13should be done by the District Judiciary.
23:17Judges who understand the trial.
23:19Excuse me.
23:20Excuse me.
23:22Our honourable judges are those
23:24who have never done a trial in their life.
23:27There is a lot of debate on this issue.
23:29There should be a method of induction.
23:32Just like people come to civil services.
23:34But after that, the career progression comes.
23:36It is not that the chamber has influence.
23:41Mr. Khawar, I have to say a sentence.
23:44Mr. Chaudhary, I am coming to you.
23:45Why just one sentence?
23:46Both of you are young.
23:47You eat up the whole program.
23:48I come to you out of fear.
23:50You do not speak further.
23:51Instead of one sentence,
23:53you say more sentences.
23:55I will say something else.
23:57Yes, Mr. Chaudhary.
23:58Mr. Khawar, your job as an anchorperson,
24:06talk shows and all these services,
24:11it is survival of the fittest.
24:14It is decided after an hour
24:18whether a person is fit or unfit.
24:21Is he successful or unsuccessful?
24:23In my opinion,
24:25forgive me if you like it or not,
24:28no one can stop anyone here.
24:31Why?
24:32If you do not know how to work,
24:33you are free the next day.
24:35Whether you are a lawyer, a lawyer,
24:37a journalist, etc.
24:40Viewers, I hope you...
24:43Mr. Chaudhary, which judge are you pointing to?
24:45No, no, no.
24:46Mr. Naqvi, I am not pointing to you.
24:49I am not pointing to any judge.
24:51Are we going to die by pointing?
24:53He spoke in general.
24:54It was not specific.
24:56Viewers, let's take a short break.
24:57We will talk after the break.
24:58In the country,
24:59regarding the prices of electricity,
25:01the government,
25:02along with Hassan Ayub,
25:03has also given us good news.
25:05Mr. Naqvi also told us
25:06that something or the other
25:07will happen by the end of this month.
25:09Whether it is going to happen or not,
25:11what are the issues,
25:12we will talk after a short break.
25:16Welcome back, viewers.
25:18Expensive electricity
25:19is the biggest issue
25:20of the country and the people of Pakistan.
25:23It is a big challenge for the government.
25:27Respected Prime Minister Shabaz Sharif
25:29told us in Khushabri
25:31that we will find a solution soon.
25:35I want to tell you today
25:38that the entire government of Pakistan
25:40is working day and night
25:43with determination and determination.
25:46Inshallah, in the next few days,
25:48you will get good news
25:50regarding electricity in the whole of Pakistan,
25:52regarding the prices of electricity,
25:54and regarding the shortage of electricity,
25:56Inshallah.
25:57Viewers,
25:58on 14th August,
25:59the day of independence,
26:00he told us that we will get freedom
26:02from the price of electricity.
26:04Mr. Abbas Laghari,
26:05who is the Minister of Electricity,
26:07had also announced
26:09that in the future,
26:11he will solve the issue of electricity.
26:16Inshallah, in the next one to two months,
26:19Mr. Shabaz Sharif's government
26:21will give such good news
26:23regarding electricity
26:25that the government of Pakistan,
26:27the people of Pakistan,
26:28and all the business classes
26:30will be in a win-win situation.
26:33And after a few days,
26:36this month-long journey,
26:38Mr. Laghari has postponed it for a year.
26:41It may take a year
26:43for good news to come.
26:45As your interest rate is decreasing,
26:48as the price of your money
26:50is stabilizing,
26:52there will be a difference
26:54in the capacity payments,
26:56which you will see in a year
26:58that the prices of electricity
27:00will be very low.
27:02One year,
27:03and along with this,
27:05when they were asked
27:07to review the agreements
27:09with the IPPs,
27:11Mr. Laghari said that
27:13this is not possible.
27:15These IPPs have mostly
27:17taken back a large part
27:19of their investment.
27:21Are you thinking of
27:23a renegotiation with them?
27:25We are looking at it from every angle,
27:27but with all the IPPs,
27:29whether they are local
27:31or foreign,
27:33we have 1.25 lakh IPPs
27:35and all of them are IPPs.
27:37You know who they are,
27:39don't you?
27:41The solar net metering company.
27:43We respect their 7-year contract
27:45from the bottom of our hearts.
27:47We will not forcefully
27:49terminate the contract
27:51with them.
27:53But we can talk to them,
27:55right?
27:57We can bring them
27:59on mutually understandable
28:01and mutually agreeable terms
28:03and their compulsion
28:05can be explained to them.
28:07The compulsion, viewers,
28:09is that a news has been published
28:11in The Nation newspaper
28:13this July that there are
28:1540 Pakistani families
28:17and viewers all across
28:19all the political parties,
28:21the big ones,
28:23their relatives,
28:25children,
28:27sons, all are included.
28:29Along with this,
28:31from 1990 till now,
28:33these IPPs have taken
28:35advantage of a tax cut
28:37of 12 crore rupees.
28:3912 crore means 12,000
28:41Arabs.
28:43And viewers,
28:45you know how many crores are there
28:47in one Arab.
28:49And in one crore,
28:51there are 100 lakhs.
28:53You can understand this figure
28:55better.
28:57Mr. Naqvi,
28:59today is 29th of August.
29:01Two days are left.
29:03You told us the news.
29:05First of all,
29:07we raised our voice
29:09against the IPP.
29:11And after that,
29:13it became a big debate.
29:15Your point is absolutely right.
29:17These IPPs are running
29:1940 families in Pakistan
29:21who have been looting them
29:23for years.
29:25And their defenders,
29:27either you come
29:29and sit on the television screen
29:31and give logic that
29:33why is it necessary to give money
29:35to the IPPs for additional
29:37electricity production.
29:39Prove it in front of the Pakistani people.
29:41But if you can't prove it
29:43and you just come and say
29:45that our reputation will be ruined
29:47if we don't follow these agreements,
29:49then this is not an argument.
29:51Pakistani people are not going to
29:53come in any argument or lollipop.
29:55We will have to take immediate action.
29:57And about solar,
29:59this is a big achievement
30:01of the Sindh government.
30:03Let me tell you,
30:05this is a revolutionary program
30:07like the Benazir Income Support Program.
30:09The whole world is going to solar.
30:11I am sitting in Germany right now.
30:13I can show you from the window
30:15that there are big solar panels at home.
30:17The whole world is going to solar.
30:19If the Sindh government
30:21is successful in spreading solar
30:23and it should continue
30:25and it should be on.
30:27This is a very good initiative.
30:29Today, Bilawal Bhutto Zardari
30:31was talking in Karachi.
30:33He was distributing solar panels
30:35which is a good initiative of the Sindh government.
30:37Mr. Chaudhary, this is a good initiative
30:39taken by the Sindh government
30:41regarding electricity bills.
30:43Today, you saw a very sad news
30:45on social media.
30:47I don't know, the Babda people went.
30:49They were removing the meter.
30:51The fights are increasing.
30:53Will the government have to take
30:55any action regarding this?
30:57No.
30:59Yesterday, when Mr. Baloch
31:01came,
31:03he had a meeting yesterday.
31:05He said that
31:07we are using 22,000
31:09and we are charging 48,000.
31:11That is, a payment of
31:1348,000 MW is being made
31:15and Pakistan is using
31:1722,000.
31:19What will we do with this?
31:21This is not a robbery.
31:23This has never happened
31:25in the world.
31:27Have you ever thought
31:29that you can buy
31:31a kheer and pay
31:33for 2 kgs?
31:35What is this?
31:37Hassan, we have to go to the next break.
31:39Quickly tell us
31:41what do you think is the solution?
31:43We are working on the solution.
31:45It is a long term plan.
31:47When will it come?
31:49ISI is doing
31:51negotiations.
31:53They are also on board.
31:55The Prime Minister is on board.
31:57The Army Chief is on board.
31:59Mr. Abbas Laghari
32:01is also on board.
32:03The Finance Ministry is also on board.
32:05How is Abbas Laghari doing?
32:07He has given a year's time.
32:09I don't agree with him.
32:11It will happen very soon.
32:13In that function,
32:15ISPR
32:17did not answer
32:19the questions
32:21asked by the Army Chief.
32:23He did not participate
32:25in the Ulma Conference.
32:27I will not talk about it.
32:29They have also talked about it.
32:31It is a very serious matter.
32:33Let's hope for the good.
32:35This is a matter of the whole of Pakistan.
32:37We will go to the next break.
32:39After the break, we will tell you
32:41what is going on
32:43Welcome back.
32:45Viewers,
32:47you have been watching
32:49and reading the news for the past few days.
32:51Coordination committees have been formed
32:53in Punjab for the People's Party and Noon League.
32:55There was an agreement
32:57when the government was formed
32:59in Wafaaq.
33:01In the coming days,
33:03the People's Party will get a share in Punjab.
33:05But the People's Party is
33:07struggling.
33:09Their posting is not being transferred.
33:11Chandra Sahib said
33:13that if this is the case,
33:15then we will be ready
33:17to do something else.
33:19Otherwise, we will not complain.
33:21Pakistan Muslim League Noon.
33:23Jahangir Khan is with us.
33:25Our representative
33:27has broken this story.
33:29Thank you very much.
33:31The fundamental point
33:33that I understood
33:35in the news you were giving
33:37is that Marjum Sahiba is unhappy.
33:39She is not happy that
33:41these people are sitting in her cabinet.
33:43What is the reason?
33:45If there is an agreement,
33:47then it has to be fulfilled.
33:49Thank you very much.
33:51In the meeting on 25th August,
33:53the People's Party
33:55has made the same claim
33:57that the demands you have accepted
33:59are not being fulfilled.
34:01None of the promises
34:03made to the People's Party
34:05were fulfilled.
34:07The main obstacle
34:09is the Punjab government,
34:11i.e. Mariam Nawaz Sahiba,
34:13the Prime Minister of Punjab.
34:15The demands of the People's Party
34:17are being fulfilled
34:19by her on behalf of Punjab.
34:21Other demands of the People's Party
34:23are being fulfilled by the government
34:25but when it comes to Punjab,
34:27even the loyal government
34:29raises its hand.
34:31These are the claims
34:33of the People's Party
34:35On 25th August,
34:37the meeting of the Coordination Committee
34:39was held in Lahore.
34:41A person who was present
34:43told us to leave the meeting
34:45but the visit given by the Punjab government
34:47was very formal.
34:49He started laughing
34:51and told us that
34:53there was no progress
34:55in this meeting.
34:57The administration of Punjab
34:59is not allowing us to leave.
35:01The PM of Punjab
35:03is not responding
35:05to all the issues.
35:07The Punjab government
35:09is not responding
35:11to all the issues.
35:13The loyal government
35:15is helpless.
35:17The Punjab government
35:19has been instructed
35:21not to trust the agreement
35:23with the People's Party.
35:25Their MPAs should be accommodated.
35:27Their female MPAs should be funded.
35:29The MPAs of the People's Party
35:31should be funded equally.
35:33The MPAs of the People's Party
35:35should be funded equally.
35:51The People's Party
35:53will not get anything
35:55in this agreement.
35:57If the People's Party
35:59doesn't support this agreement,
36:01it won't get anything.
36:03The People's Party
36:05can't leave this agreement
36:07at any cost.
36:29The PM of Punjab
36:31is not responding
36:33to all the issues.
36:35The PM of Punjab
36:37is not responding
36:39to all the issues.
36:41The PM of Punjab
36:43is not responding
36:45to all the issues.
36:47The PM of Punjab
36:49is not responding
36:51to all the issues.
36:53The PM of Punjab
36:55is not responding
36:57to all the issues.
36:59The PM of Punjab
37:01is not responding
37:03to all the issues.
37:05The PM of Punjab
37:07is not responding
37:09to all the issues.
37:11The PM of Punjab
37:13is not responding
37:15to all the issues.
37:17The PM of Punjab
37:19is not responding
37:21to all the issues.
37:23The PM of Punjab
37:25is not responding
37:27to all the issues.
37:29The PM of Punjab
37:31is not responding
37:33to all the issues.
37:35The PM of Punjab
37:37is not responding
37:39to all the issues.
37:41The PM of Punjab
37:43is not responding
37:45to all the issues.
37:47The PM of Punjab
37:49is not responding
37:51to all the issues.
37:53The PM of Punjab
37:55is not responding
37:57to all the issues.
37:59The PM of Punjab
38:01is not responding
38:03to all the issues.
38:05The PM of Punjab
38:07is not responding
38:09to all the issues.