El Ministro de Seguridad de la Provincia de Buenos Aires, Javier Alonso, confirmó el hallazgo del cuerpo de una mujer no identificada. Se sospecha que cerca del lugar podrían estar su sobrino y la novia de este. Lorenzo Roberto Facioli, geofonista, fue convocado para utilizar su tecnología en la búsqueda y rescate bajo los escombros. A pesar de las señales detectadas por los perros rescatistas, hasta el momento no se ha logrado rescatar a ningún sobreviviente.
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00:00You have priority, Ale, you have priority.
00:02Ale is very proligal in how he is suggesting it,
00:06but it must be said that Javier Alonso himself,
00:08Minister of Security of the province of Buenos Aires,
00:10when last night he communicated the discovery of the body of a woman
00:14still unidentified, today we know that it is Rosa,
00:17he also said, not far from her,
00:20his nephew and his girlfriend would also have to be there.
00:24It is likely that they have also captured them
00:26through the probes in the adjacent rooms.
00:28We are with Lorenzo Roberto Facioli,
00:30who is a geophonist,
00:32a term that I honestly did not know,
00:35and that we listened to you and we talked
00:37when you were on your way to Villagesel
00:39to try with this device to use it
00:42at least to try to get life under the rubble.
00:47Tell me how was your experience
00:49and what is this that we see?
00:52I have a company that has this technology and others
00:57and that I commercially dedicate myself to
01:00looking for leaks of water hidden in companies,
01:03in homes, in neighborhoods.
01:06And yesterday when ...
01:08Two days ago you worked all day.
01:11Today I came early in the morning,
01:13so I'm still turned.
01:16I find out about this right away
01:18and talking to my wife I tell her
01:20and if I could do something with this,
01:23because I can hear.
01:25So I say, well,
01:27and then my wife called the firemen of Pinamar,
01:32I went to the delegation of O'Higgins and Echeverria
01:36and then I managed to communicate with Victoria de America
01:41and then with Erika de Acá and everything was set up.
01:43With Erika de Acá.
01:44And we made a bridge with our supervisor.
01:46Tell us, because it is very graphic, Lorenzo,
01:48how does the equipment work
01:50and especially when you usually use it
01:52to detect the movement of water below the floors,
01:55what things do you hear?
01:57I hear everything, I hear everything.
01:59Everything that happens there you hear.
02:01This is a geophone, right?
02:03I put this in my ears,
02:05this is a pick that replaces this bell with this pick,
02:09this is the monitor where I have the graphics,
02:12graphics are generated.
02:14Pass it to me, pass it to me so we can put it there.
02:16Yes, we can turn it on.
02:17There, later, so the camera can see it well.
02:20This has a visor, which is the one you use,
02:22there it looks good.
02:24Let's take the other one.
02:26That throws you graphics
02:28and you listen to the sound with the headphones.
02:30With the headphones and I go with this.
02:34First there is a basic listening
02:38and from that basic listening,
02:40that one already has years in this,
02:43you already detect.
02:45I already have the ear used to it,
02:47so once I have it,
02:49I listen to it,
02:51I will start to filter
02:53according to the frequency of the materials
02:55that I think may be in the terrain.
02:58I ask you, Lorenzo,
02:59yesterday at one point it was said
03:01that you heard beats
03:03under the rubble,
03:05is this with this same device?
03:07No, there are some probes that have,
03:11not all the divisions,
03:13there is a probe that has,
03:15they are called teluric probes,
03:17this is used like this.
03:19So we can show it.
03:21This is a microphone,
03:23this is a microphone,
03:25what is called an electric floor microphone,
03:27that makes this movement,
03:31in which,
03:33when it gets on the ground,
03:35it starts to vibrate and generates a wave
03:37to receive, in turn, the sound.
03:41So,
03:43with this monitor,
03:45I achieve this.
03:47So,
03:49what I generally do is
03:51filter those sounds,
03:53but,
03:55in this case, in Villa Gesell,
03:57what I did at the beginning,
03:59when I had the general sound,
04:01is to focus
04:03fundamentally on the range
04:05that the human body functions.
04:07The human body,
04:09the man works
04:11between 80 and 140 hertz,
04:13and the woman
04:15between 120 and 200 hertz.
04:17So I set the range
04:19between 50 and 250 hertz,
04:21to have a wide range
04:23of being able to hear
04:25something human.
04:27There is a question,
04:29the higher the hertz,
04:31the higher the volume?
04:33No, no,
04:35to explain it to you,
04:37the higher the hertz,
04:39it is more acute,
04:41more metallic.
04:43For example,
04:45in what I use,
04:47up to 800 hertz,
04:49are the polypropylene pipes,
04:51plastic,
04:53which are commonly used in construction.
04:55Above 800 hertz,
04:57another type of battery starts.
04:59And there,
05:01when you went here to Gesell,
05:03what was your job
05:05in the field?
05:07What could you do?
05:09At that time,
05:11this has a
05:13capture of 15,
05:1520 meters.
05:17And you got to be in the rubble area?
05:19Yes, yes.
05:21When you told me
05:23the first interview I was in Chascomús,
05:25I arrived at 9
05:27and I entered the area
05:29of the collapse,
05:31after group K9,
05:33I entered
05:35where the dogs
05:37had already marked
05:39an area.
05:41An area of interest.
05:43Yes.
05:47When the whistle sounds
05:49and I enter, I always have to say,
05:51I left
05:53being one and returned being
05:55another.
05:57Can you tell us
05:59what the feeling is there?
06:01There is a feeling because one
06:03may want to bark,
06:05but when you enter there,
06:07at the moment they tell you to enter,
06:09I was accompanied by a volunteer rescuer,
06:11who I found coming,
06:13and a designated firefighter
06:15that we entered
06:17and they told me,
06:19well, now you come in.
06:21And the firefighter was the one
06:23who directed me.
06:25And the firefighter had a pick
06:27to make a sound,
06:29but of a larger size,
06:31to make a specific sound
06:33to indicate
06:35to the possible victim
06:37that we were there.
06:39That they were trying to rescue him.
06:41That we wanted signals.
06:43They were looking for a feedback.
06:45Of course, an answer.
06:49First of all,
06:51I activate the equipment
06:53and what I feel in the first listening
06:55are drops of water.
06:57Drops and drips of water.
07:01And like this sound
07:03that there is here,
07:05a tac,
07:07it was that sound.
07:09Accompanied, rhythmic?
07:11It was not rhythmic.
07:13It was weak, weak,
07:15and ...
07:17Compatible with what?
07:19With a heartbeat?
07:21No, no, no, no.
07:23To say that you hear beats ...
07:25Yes.
07:27It's too much.
07:29It's too much.
07:31Many times beats are confused
07:33with typical sounds
07:35of the structures.
07:37Of the same ...
07:39There is a heartbeat.
07:41No, I do not know that
07:43because I never dedicated myself
07:45to the physiological part.
07:47I know the general part.
07:49Because, let's see,
07:51what I try to tell you is that ...
07:53Lorenzo, but do not get out of there
07:55because I'm uncomfortable.
07:57Yes, yes, yes.
07:59So there you felt water.
08:01A drip of water.
08:03And a blow.
08:05So I tell the firefighter
08:07to make the signal
08:09and the signal
08:13after the echo,
08:15because the signal produces an echo.
08:17Clear.
08:19Of length.
08:21I make the echo
08:23and after the echo I return to the signal
08:25that I felt.
08:27And I tell him to stop.
08:29That sound is silenced.
08:31Do it again.
08:35Boom, boom, says the firefighter.
08:37I feel the echo.
08:41The answer.
08:43However,
08:45the answer was not
08:47like a feedback,
08:49as you said,
08:51an equal answer.
08:53They were not two blows.
08:55It was a very weak blow.
08:57But you also have to imagine
08:59that if someone was alive,
09:01in the conditions that he could be,
09:03he could not even do ...
09:07Maybe he can't be
09:09making the same sound.
09:11Maybe even his own body
09:13has very little space
09:15and travel
09:17of a hand, of an arm
09:19to generate the response blow.
09:21Let's see, Lorenzo, to situate myself.
09:25Did you hear an answer?
09:27To be specific.
09:29Yes, we heard the answer.
09:31As if it were from a person.
09:33In your experience,
09:35it was a weak response from someone.
09:37That was not ...
09:39Because then they asked me,
09:41the firefighters' technicians,
09:43if it was material drainage.
09:45No, that was not material drainage.
09:47And what do you think it was?
09:49A human response.
09:51That is, there is someone
09:53who is alive, at least.
09:55Well, that was ...
09:57At what time?
09:59Between 10 and 20,
10:0110 and 11,
10:03that we were inside.
10:05But does that stay recorded
10:07in the team?
10:09I can record it,
10:11I can record it,
10:13I have to admit it.
10:15I was more nervous than ...
10:19I'm not a professional.
10:21You were a volunteer.
10:23I was a volunteer
10:25to help with the technology I had.
10:27I have to record,
10:29I have to make an exact location
10:31with GPS.
10:33Well, but at that moment ...
10:35At what time did you return?
10:37After that, at what time did you return?
10:39After,
10:41when I retired,
10:43we were walking in that area
10:45and in several other areas.
10:47Let's see, looking there,
10:49in what area were you?
10:51Where did you hear the beat?
10:53The beat, not the answer.
10:55Yes, the answer.
10:57I saw the semicircular part,
10:59which is what was left,
11:01where they are working.
11:03In that area?
11:05In that area.
11:07And that's where you felt the answer?
11:09Yes, that's where I felt the answer.
11:11Ok.
11:13Now, more about the blue building,
11:15let's say,
11:17to the side of the blue building,
11:19to understand it.
11:21Yes, yes, it is because
11:23when you enter through the garages,
11:25because it has an entrance that is still
11:27skillful, which is a ladder,
11:29then there is a ...
11:31Let me explain something.
11:33I want to say that for those
11:35who are just getting hooked,
11:37we are talking with Lorenzo,
11:39who was the person who captured
11:41at least the presence of a survivor,
11:43until now he has not been rescued,
11:45but he has managed with this device,
11:47together with a rescuer,
11:49going to the place of the facts,
11:51to achieve that contact.
11:53I want to go back there,
11:55and now we continue,
11:57but I want to go back there
11:59because it always impresses me
12:01when there are people who leave their comfort
12:03and go to get their hands in the mud,
12:05that feeling when you heard
12:07that there was a survivor.
12:09What happened to you?
12:11I understand nerves, I understand emotion ...
12:13That's why I said from the beginning,
12:15I came in being one
12:17and I left being another.
12:19Yesterday when I came at dawn,
12:21they told me,
12:23no, stop, no, I still have
12:25an adrenaline that ...
12:27Who did you see Lorenzo later,
12:29for the second time?
12:31Well, the moment I left,
12:33as I told you,
12:35the firemen began
12:37to rumble again,
12:39they made gutters with
12:41sheets and began to rumble,
12:43and I returned
12:45at five and a quarter again,
12:47at five,
12:49five and a quarter,
12:51I went to throw a little,
12:53the chief firefighter told me,
12:55go to rest, I need you
12:57with batteries,
12:59I went to the truck,
13:01I went to the truck,
13:03to sleep,
13:05at five in the morning,
13:07the rescuer calls me,
13:09this volunteer,
13:11and tells me,
13:13they are needing you,
13:15we returned to enter,
13:17because the dogs had already been
13:19again, and the dogs marked ...
13:21Another position?
13:23The same position with RH
13:25and a living person.
13:27So we had then,
13:29no one has been rescued, none,
13:31so far.
13:33The dogs were RH.
13:35Two types of dogs entered.
13:37And which one marked?
13:39I don't know which one marked,
13:41but they marked two living people
13:43and an RH.
13:45That is, the two types of dogs
13:47means the dog looking for human remains,
13:49that is RH,
13:51that is, looking for deceased people,
13:53and then there is the dog
13:55looking for the person with life.
13:57The two entered, you say.
13:59OK.
14:01Your experience.
14:03When we entered at five in the morning,
14:05as I was telling you,
14:07the answer was no longer there.
14:09It was not there.
14:11The same was done and the answer was not there.
14:13There was absolute silence.
14:15I varied all the frequencies,
14:17because I heard something,
14:19I heard something,
14:21I heard something,
14:23and what was it?
14:25It was a water canister.
14:27I was going to ask you,
14:29because before I had heard the water.
14:31Did you hear more water
14:33in this second opportunity?
14:35In this second opportunity,
14:37because I positioned myself in other places.
14:39And what can be the water,
14:41you who are a specialist in detecting water?
14:43What can be that water running there?
14:45The water can be,
14:47well, because it has a correlation,
14:49the tank was not,
14:51because the tank was overturned.
14:53There are some areas that are emptying,
14:55but by the time,
14:57they should be completely empty.
14:59And I pose,
15:01here there is something that is active.
15:03And it is not constant,
15:05also if it were ...
15:07Of course.
15:09Here there was water at constant supply.
15:11Yes.
15:13So, I did not finish the job well,
15:15I tell the head of the operation,
15:17because the head of the operation
15:19at five in the morning comes with me.
15:21Because there I was accompanied
15:23by the firefighter, the rescuer
15:25and the head of the operation.
15:27And I tell the head of the operation,
15:29listen to him,
15:31and I put these headphones on him,
15:33he sits down,
15:35because when one listens,
15:37you have to sit down,
15:39and he tells me,
15:41I hear the same thing you are telling me.
15:43Can it be the water,
15:45the running water?
15:47Well, well, there I go.
15:49I ask the forced question.
15:51Did they close the water?
15:53They closed the water, they closed the gas,
15:55yes, we closed everything.
15:57We could not close the water yet,
15:59because we could not find it.
16:01Well, then there,
16:03there I applied the experience
16:05that I have every day.
16:07You worked with another situation,
16:09and of course, I imagine you are grateful
16:11to everyone who was there.
16:13Yes, that is a separate comment,
16:15because a very special community is achieved.
16:17So, what I did
16:19was go to the street,
16:21see the first house
16:23that was parallel
16:25to Dubrovnik,
16:27the semi-collapsed building
16:29was there,
16:31and another one,
16:33which made me laugh,
16:35because there was a man
16:37changing the lamps.
16:39So,
16:41I see,
16:43I immediately look for
16:45the AISA cover,
16:47and well,
16:49I threw an imaginary line,
16:51because they all have to be
16:53on the same line,
16:55I threw the imaginary line
16:57and I went to the building.
16:59Of course, it could not be cut,
17:01because it was all full of rubble,
17:03doors,
17:05then I tell the firefighters,
17:07down here it is,
17:09please take this out.
17:11And two rescuers came
17:13with four arms,
17:15they grab it like this,
17:17they take out everything at a speed,
17:19and we discovered the cover,
17:21that the meter was
17:23spinning like crazy.
17:25So, the water you heard was running.
17:27Let's remember that the measurement
17:29for a building is one inch,
17:31an inch and a half,
17:33it is an interesting contribution.
17:35I closed it.
17:37Lorenzo, sorry to interrupt you with this,
17:39but I inevitably come back,
17:41because it takes me to the image,
17:43to the moment when you found life there.
17:45At what distance can you assume
17:47that this person was there,
17:49who gave a return,
17:51an answer?
17:53The sound was weak,
17:55dry, weak,
17:57but to give you an idea,
17:59the building has two subsoils,
18:01it was a ten-story building,
18:03approximately,
18:05but everything was
18:07on three floors,
18:09ground floor,
18:11ground floor,
18:13everything on three floors,
18:15counting the two ground floors.
18:17So, on one floor above the ground.
18:19Exactly.
18:21It is very strong.
18:23In addition,
18:25there are all the slabs,
18:27as you can see.
18:29What a disinterested contribution yours is,
18:31the truth is,
18:33to highlight it,
18:35because the Argentines,
18:37but I always say,
18:39I've been here for nine years,
18:41and the only thing I have to say
18:43about Argentina
18:45are just thanks.
18:47Where are you from?
18:49From Montevideo, Malvin.
18:51You are Uruguayan.
18:53We thank you,
18:55also to Erika Gardasi,
18:57who contacted you,
18:59we see you excited,
19:01moved, mobilized,
19:03and it is not for less,
19:05that we have the opportunity
19:07to count on you,
19:09and that you tell us about your experience,
19:11and hopefully this gesture
19:13that you had will be repeated
19:15in many other Argentines,
19:17that we know it is so.
19:19Thank you, Lorenzo.