Hablamos con el periodista argentino desde españa, Gastón Burome quien se encuentra en la ruta escapando de "Dana", la tormenta que azotó a Valencia y ya lleva más de 200 muertos y centenares de desaparecidos.
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00:00Well, you're on top of the car, I imagine it will be difficult to move, right?
00:04I'll tell you, we were going here with a friend, Maxi,
00:07we were going to Catarroca, which is one of the places where not so much help is coming,
00:14we were mobilizing with the car, well,
00:17he grabs us, I'm going to turn the camera around so that I can show you the situation,
00:21how many people live on top of each other, it's a holiday,
00:23and this is being done on a holiday, imagine a weekday,
00:29because now they are also taking this highway that they didn't have to take,
00:32because the highway that goes to Barcelona is completely blocked,
00:36so you can't get out of there,
00:37so today is a chaotic day in terms of traffic,
00:41to get to Cayacuba, there are a lot of pedestrians,
00:44there is a lot of traffic, you have to get there much faster than they are.
00:48Of course, there are talks of 200 dead in the entire state of Valencia,
00:54I imagine there are more complicated areas than others,
00:56now, does the water start to go down, Gastón, or does it not recede?
01:00Yes, it is going down, because it really was,
01:06that is, around Maxi we are losing 4 meters of water,
01:11which is already going down because it didn't rain again,
01:15so for now we are in better conditions, let's say, than it was 24 hours ago.
01:22Of course, of course.
01:23Now, you told me yesterday, we were chatting on the radio and you told me that
01:27it was impressive the moment when the most complex part came,
01:33that you had never lived there the same.
01:36Yes, as it was, it was 8 or 10 minutes that swept everything.
01:43Well, Maxi, who is here driving with me, he works with the truck,
01:47he had to do it, he took it going to work or going back to work,
01:53if you want, Paxi can tell you here,
01:55Facundo can tell you his experience, he was in a traffic jam.
02:00Maxi, how are you? How are you?
02:02Hello, Facundo, good afternoon.
02:06What did you live, tell me, in that fatal moment?
02:11The storm hit me in the middle of the road,
02:15on Highway 7, which enters from Albacete,
02:21from the Spanish part of Albacete, towards the city of Valencia.
02:27And nothing, the tornado, the part of the tornado that of winds
02:32and the overflow of water from the nearby rivers and the road was cut off.
02:37And we were up the road for two days, waiting for them to enable it.
02:41Of course, and you stayed there, you had to sleep in the truck.
02:45Yes, yes, up the road.
02:47We stayed as we would be now, but sleeping there.
02:49Okay, but did Maxi have resources to be able to support you,
02:53even if it was a couple of hours?
02:56I was lucky that the police cut off the,
03:02let's say, the bumper, to go from road to road,
03:06they cut off the communication that there is and we could turn around
03:10above the highway and park in a service station.
03:15No, but there are many colleagues who stayed on the side of the road,
03:18and nothing, in the middle of the road, without anything,
03:22no service, no water, no food.
03:26And we spent two nights like that, until they were able to enable the road.
03:32Of course. Miriam?
03:33Yes, I wanted to consult you, because here
03:38there was a lot of talk about some hydraulic developments
03:41that made a fairly important river change or flood the area,
03:46and that some adduce that it was the change in this course
03:51that produced or encouraged this situation,
03:55this disaster zone, in terms of this flood that was formed.
04:00Do you have any news about this?
04:03Well, what Maxi also knows,
04:06we were talking just a while ago, they did a whole work,
04:09because after the last, let's say, situations that Valencia had suffered,
04:14they did works so that the river Turia passed by,
04:17let's say, through Valencia, so Valencia itself, in the center,
04:20did not suffer so much the flood or so much the storm
04:24as we suffer it, because we are in the towns,
04:27in the outskirts of Valencia, not in the center.
04:29I understand. Well, and the accumulation of mud,
04:32because obviously, due to the orography,
04:35a slope is produced from the upper areas to the lower areas.
04:39How much can you measure the accumulation of mud?
04:42It has been said that one meter, two meters of mud
04:44is accumulated in the central areas, even.
04:48Yes, the truth is that...
04:52The river Turia,
04:54formerly, during the flood of 1957 in Valencia,
04:57passed through the middle of Valencia.
04:59As a result of that flood, they did it
05:01costing the whole city of Valencia Capital,
05:04and Valencia Capital did not suffer damage in the flood.
05:08But the river that goes down from the Requena area,
05:12which is 17 waters, which is at the height,
05:14which is in the mountains, which begins in the mountains.
05:17From there, everything went down through the river called El Pollo.
05:21Yes. El Pollo, I think.
05:22And that was the one that passed through the cities,
05:27through the middle of the cities, and it was the one that overflowed
05:30and flooded the cities. Very clear, very clear.
05:32But if you are talking about 70 centimeters of...
05:37of mud in the houses.
05:39And the problem is that there are many cars
05:42mounted on top of each other,
05:45as if they were piled up.
05:46And people still can't get out of their houses.
05:50Sure. Let's see.
05:52I was asking him, we were chatting with Gastón and Maxi,
05:57if there was a kind of dissent
06:00regarding how Valencia reported as a state,
06:05as a province, and how the national government reported.
06:08And if in the media, people were not confused
06:11about what could happen,
06:14beyond force, nature, right?
06:18Yes, imagine, as Facundo told you yesterday,
06:21this happened to us around five and a half, six in the afternoon
06:24and the third came at eight o'clock at night.
06:26Sure. I repeated that, Alberto and Gastón.
06:28At five and a half, six in the afternoon,
06:32the events began to happen,
06:34everything began to fly through the air.
06:37And at eight o'clock at night,
06:40the alerts began to sound.
06:43If I'm not mistaken, Maxi, at eight o'clock at night.
06:45What is the alert system like?
06:47What exactly is it that we use here in the Argentine Republic?
06:51How does it sound on your cell phones,
06:52the alert issued by the provincial, national or municipal authority?
06:58You are using the phone or you are not using it
07:01and it sounds like a beep that does not stop.
07:04I mean, it's beep, beep, beep, constantly.
07:07It's a very loud beep,
07:09a beep that you can hear,
07:11you can even hear the neighbor's, imagine.
07:13And that was delayed for eight hours
07:15with respect to the meteorological report
07:17issued by the National Meteorological Agency.
07:20That is the controversy that we have received here
07:24and we have heard, of course.
07:27Of course, we had an orange alert
07:29in the morning on Tuesday,
07:30which told us that the children would not go to school.
07:34But after that, everything was very cloudy in the morning.
07:39Then it started to clear up a bit,
07:40but after four o'clock in the afternoon,
07:42it started to get dark again, very dark.
07:46And that's where at five and a half, six in the afternoon,
07:49everything started, as I say.
07:52And the cell phones, the alert on the cell phones came up later.
07:56Yes, yes, as I told you, at eight o'clock at night.
08:00Sure.
08:01Look, I want to put a minute, Gastón, a video
08:04that you are going to see,
08:06because there Maxi works with trucks,
08:08we are going to describe it to you,
08:10but it is a video of a mail
08:15that arrives, look, it is shocking,
08:18because we are talking about a high car,
08:21a high vehicle, but it is getting in, it is getting in,
08:24trusting that suddenly it will be able to move forward
08:27and at a certain moment, there is no way for it to move forward
08:33and it ends up driven, Javi, by the water.
08:37By the water, and this is what happened to many cars and trucks,
08:41not to mention, imagine that it happens to trucks.
08:45You know that there is a technique, a route,
08:49that in the face of a flood, when the car has,
08:54for example, the water up to the hood,
08:59not going through the hood, of course, up to the hood,
09:02one should, to try to get out of the car,
09:05you can't open the door, because the water, what it does to you is
09:08a counterweight so you can't open it.
09:10It is with the feet, with both feet,
09:13sitting and almost lying down,
09:16in the seat, pushing what is precisely the windshield,
09:20to take it out.
09:21You take it out, you manage to get it out there.
09:23You don't break it, you take it out, from below,
09:26so that it opens as if it were a window.
09:29This is the recommendation, Javi.
09:30This is a recommendation.
09:32As far as possible, do not lower the windows
09:34so that the car does not flood you and have the possibility of going out,
09:37climbing the hood and then to the roof, if there is no other remedy.
09:41Eventually swim, of course.
09:42Yes, or stay in the car,
09:45because the car, when it is filled with water, falls.
09:48Some of the vehicles, we saw them floating,
09:51but on the side, dragged, pushed by others too.
09:54Many people were saved because they stayed on the roofs of the cars
09:57and others were carried by the current with the car
09:59and despite the fact that they were on top of the roof,
10:02with this current, they couldn't.
10:04Maxi, in your case, the truck, how far did the water get?
10:09No, in my case, I didn't suffer so much water,
10:12it was more than 40 centimeters.
10:15But hey, as that truck image shows,
10:17that truck has a weight of 17,000 kilos.
10:22Of course, a lot.
10:24So, because of the force that the water had,
10:28you couldn't do much more.
10:30There it says that it was not signaled,
10:31that the road was flooded
10:33and the truck does not realize,
10:34thinking that there was not so much water and gets in.
10:36Those are the comments that there are.
10:37In fact, the driver is still missing.
10:40Both the driver and the truck cannot find him.
10:43Maxi, the...
10:44But there are trucks...
10:46Yes, continue, please.
10:47There are trucks that are mounted on top of the cars.
10:50That is, the water raised 17,000 kilos
10:52as if it were a crane and mounted it on top of the cars.
10:56Maxi, you have already heard the figure here of 202 dead,
11:00unfortunately, and more than 100 missing at this time.
11:04Have you heard this figure too?
11:07Has it been updated in the last few minutes?
11:09And the other question,
11:10how are you with the issue of the supply of, I don't know,
11:14of electricity,
11:15of drinking water, for example?
11:17And what is the health care that you are receiving?
11:23Well, the first one was the issue of...
11:26Yes, yes, the number of dead,
11:29missing and updated.
11:30Missing, yes.
11:31Let's see.
11:32It is that now, when the water goes down,
11:34they are able to take out the cars,
11:36they are able to enter the houses.
11:38So, unfortunately,
11:40the people who already figured out how to disappear,
11:43they find them and they are dead.
11:46There are many cars inside the river.
11:51They can't, they don't have access to the river,
11:54they don't know if there are people or not.
11:57So, there are many,
12:00they are very busy, a lot of work.
12:03Yes, there are...
12:05Today, the military forces were seen more,
12:11the military forces,
12:15working.
12:16In some places, services have already started to come,
12:20both light and water.
12:23Until yesterday, there was nothing in these places.
12:27And last night, light and water started to come
12:31in some places.
12:32In others, not yet.
12:33And the number of dead is updated,
12:37it is updated permanently, unfortunately.
12:40Every moment.
12:41Yes.
12:42Yes, we just talked about it,
12:45all the water that was dragged
12:48ended up in the pool.
12:52It is a swamp that is connected,
12:55that is, it has a mouth to the sea.
12:57The sea is now taking everything to the beach,
13:01everything it dragged.
13:03So, anything can be found.
13:07How barbaric.