Dos cuerpos han sido encontrados entre los escombros del edificio Dubrovnik, aumentando la urgencia de las operaciones de rescate. Los equipos trabajan contrarreloj para identificar a las víctimas y notificar a sus familias. Se espera que hoy se complete la recuperación de todos los cuerpos. La tragedia ha generado indignación y temor entre los vecinos, quienes cuestionan la seguridad del lugar y las prácticas de construcción.
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00:00They were found just minutes ago.
00:04They would have found two bodies among 11 rubble.
00:08They are trying to confirm who it is.
00:10They are obviously also trying to talk to the family.
00:13But the information that arrives is that they would have found two bodies
00:19in the back of what is the Dubrovnik,
00:22something close to one of the structures of the elevators
00:25and another, they believe, in an old dormitory because everything is destroyed.
00:29But they are still working against the clock behind me
00:31to try to identify the people, to notify the family.
00:35And we have been saying this for several days.
00:37The hope of life was practically null,
00:39to find and confirm these two findings.
00:43We would be talking about the fact that three more bodies would be missing.
00:47At this time, they are still working against the clock,
00:49removing a lot of rubble.
00:51Look, as much as you are a prolific technician,
00:53look at the amount of rubble they have already removed.
00:57They are behind everything and they still don't give up the trucks to continue removing.
01:01Well, if you see an image now of how the Dubrovnik is,
01:05they are practically working in the first basement
01:07and they managed to make a tunnel to get to the base of the building.
01:11They are working that way.
01:13But the strong information is that just minutes ago
01:17they would have found two bodies trapped among the rubble.
01:20They are obviously also working to inform their family,
01:23to recognize them and in search of the other three
01:26who still remain to be removed from among the stones.
01:29Ale, I want to share some information with you,
01:32because yesterday you asked me
01:34what happened to the only survivor
01:36a week after the collapse,
01:38Maria Josefa Bonassa, 73 years old,
01:41who was transferred to the Intersonal Hospital of Agudos de Mar del Plata.
01:46Let's see, what the information says is that
01:48the woman suffered a crushing of her lower and upper limbs,
01:52she was taken to a sanitary helicopter.
01:54She is in intermediate therapy,
01:56assisted daily by the Marplatenses doctors,
01:59but she would be out of danger.
02:02Let's remember that this woman and her husband, Federico Cioccini,
02:05he died in the collapse,
02:07who are very dear relatives of Balcarce,
02:09and who had arrived on Monday, before the tragic event,
02:12to his apartment located in the Lindero building.
02:15But it seems that Josefa,
02:17in the midst of what has been this catastrophe, this disaster,
02:20evolves favorably,
02:22at the age of 73,
02:25fighting it.
02:27Ale, I wanted to tell you,
02:29because in the midst of all this,
02:31there is a positive news,
02:33which is that Josefa, who saved his life by miracle,
02:35evolves.
02:37Now, what you just said,
02:39has to do also with what was foreseen,
02:42which is assumed that, unfortunately, up to this point,
02:44everything that is under the rubble
02:46are lifeless bodies.
02:49Yes, there is a very strong image
02:52that we had to see.
02:54They are the rubble marked with one letter and then with another.
02:57Yes.
02:58It was in the first hours,
03:00in the first 24 hours, that the dogs gave signs of life,
03:03that silence was asked to hear,
03:05practically, heartbeat.
03:07And then, those rocks,
03:09because they had to move them carefully,
03:11those slabs, because below there was a sign of life,
03:13carved, and there was no signal, right?
03:16There was no signal that we could work in another way on that rock.
03:18Well, all that we were living
03:21throughout all these days,
03:23a very extensive coverage,
03:25a coverage that we have had to live
03:27different types of moments and states,
03:29and that we ended up practically
03:31with the worst news, right?
03:33Yes.
03:34Without survivors, so it is estimated,
03:37and waiting for some miracle.
03:39If someone comes out alive from this,
03:41it will be a miracle.
03:43Ale, with reference to what you are saying,
03:45it was understood that the rescue operation
03:47was going to be extended until tomorrow.
03:49Tomorrow is Wednesday, November 6,
03:51but there was the possibility of extending it,
03:53of extending it.
03:55What information do you have about it?
03:57Yes, they will continue to remove rubble
03:59until there is nothing left,
04:01until there is simply a cement base.
04:04Why this reason?
04:06Because at least,
04:08they consider that there are three missing.
04:10Why? Because the people who were housed here
04:12were not noted.
04:14They were caught with the rubble that no one claimed,
04:16or that they had no family,
04:18or that no one knew about that person for a long time,
04:20that they had no contact with anyone.
04:22Well, that's why they're going to continue
04:24until all the rubble is removed
04:26and they can confirm that there is no one
04:28more under the dublón nick.
04:30What they tell me is that today would be the day
04:32when they would be rescuing all the bodies.
04:34The information that Alejandro is going to give,
04:36yesterday at 10 p.m. they would have rescued one,
04:38who could be José Gutiérrez,
04:40who is one of the victims
04:42of one of the many victims,
04:44and that they would already be,
04:46in a matter of seconds or minutes,
04:48better said,
04:50rescuing the rest of the victims.
04:52To all? Because for that you have to remove all the bodies?
04:54Of course, no, but evidently they were all
04:56in a specific place,
04:58in a specific area,
05:00and they would already be, at least,
05:02rescuing the remains of the bodies.
05:04If it is confirmed that they have already rescued
05:06one of the bodies, which could be
05:08Fabián Gutiérrez, José Gutiérrez,
05:10who is 50 years old,
05:12one of the workers,
05:14and they would already be trying to identify the rest,
05:16they would finish today,
05:18between today and tomorrow,
05:20I'm going to ask you a question,
05:22it's a little unpleasant,
05:24but it's what many firefighters are telling me,
05:26that there is a lot of smell of rot in the area.
05:28I don't know if you can confirm that to me.
05:32Look, we, where we are located,
05:34no, but it is also a reality
05:36that Las Cloacas and all that
05:38has been uncovered.
05:40The bathrooms of the 12 floors
05:42have been all mixed up.
05:44Well, it's not the best panorama,
05:46obviously, it's not the best panorama.
05:48Where we are,
05:50we don't get to perceive it,
05:52it may also be because we are used to so many days,
05:54but they say, it's true,
05:56they say that in the rubble the situation is different.
06:00Ale, the dogs,
06:02the rescue dogs,
06:04the trained dogs,
06:06are they working in the place?
06:10No, at this moment
06:12the sectors are already identified,
06:14the dogs are not working,
06:16they are simply working,
06:18the rescuers,
06:20some or other probe,
06:22and with the drone,
06:24that Nico Chazarreta is going to show you,
06:26look, Nico, come back here,
06:28it's going to be complicated,
06:30this drone that Nico is going to show you
06:32is the official drone of the police
06:34to control the progress
06:36and to know, obviously,
06:38thermically, if there is any hope,
06:40they show it to the relatives,
06:42the progress of the removal of rubble.
06:46Relatives,
06:48you say, there may be people
06:50who were not noticed,
06:52and we don't know if they were inside,
06:54but there are relatives there,
06:56around you,
06:58and in this case, relatives of whom?
07:00No, no,
07:02they were not noticed,
07:04inside a tent,
07:06in a practically inaccessible place,
07:08they are protected from any contact
07:10with the press,
07:12almost with the outside world,
07:14they spend their days there,
07:16and if they leave there,
07:18they are accompanied by UTOI personnel
07:20and by psychologists and psychiatrists
07:22of the Ministry of Justice
07:24of the province of Buenos Aires,
07:26of the security of the province of Buenos Aires,
07:28that accompanies them,
07:30they are accompanied by them.
07:32Well, time, at least,
07:34is accompanying,
07:36yesterday or the day before yesterday
07:38it had rained,
07:40the area above had flooded,
07:42and I think the forecast is favorable
07:44for the next few days.
07:46Yes, yesterday, after six days,
07:48it was the first time that the search
07:50was stopped,
07:52because a storm was approaching,
07:54there were flooded streets,
07:56the situation of the storm
07:58was very bad,
08:00we saw containers full of water,
08:02that is, a storm that
08:04really complicated the task,
08:06but it is estimated that now,
08:08for the next few days,
08:10it will be 24 hours without stopping
08:12until the last rubble is removed
08:14and the floor is practically left,
08:16and to corroborate that there are
08:18no people under the rubble.
08:20The two cranes are working
08:22in an undetermined way,
08:24two companies that have also
08:26the municipality is in charge of removing
08:28the rubble and taking them to the municipal corral,
08:30as they are working in this way,
08:32firefighters have arrived
08:34from the province
08:36of Santa Fe,
08:38more specifically
08:40from Rosario,
08:42who have also come to collaborate,
08:44and the province of Buenos Aires
08:46accepted the help.
08:48Well, the human work that is being done
08:50is one of the greatest deployments
08:52that I have had to see,
08:54because more than this
08:56can not be done to remove the rubble.
08:58What do the neighbors say
09:00about this issue,
09:02that it was allowed with the continuity
09:04of a work,
09:06of this club of friends
09:08that were always the same,
09:10doing the works in the place?
09:12I say there is anger,
09:14there is resignation,
09:16I say because many know each other,
09:18there are people who do not want to talk,
09:20not so the relatives of the fatal victims,
09:22but there is also fear of facing that anger.
09:24Many know each other,
09:26then the cameras go
09:28and people stay here,
09:30but they say that
09:32it will not be
09:34the first or the last.
09:36It is a critical situation
09:38of many places,
09:40some say, we have not been able to corroborate,
09:42that is, we simply inform
09:44by people who have approached.
09:46The deterioration,
09:48they say, of some buildings
09:50and also the handling
09:52in some types of works
09:54that for some were allowed
09:56and for others not.
09:58That is, without going any further,
10:00how was this work not closed?
10:02They said, do not do anything,
10:04you do not have this allowed,
10:06but trucks came in with pipes,
10:08concrete, cement bags.
10:10Someone will have to give many explanations,
10:12because this could have been avoided
10:14if they accepted,
10:16or if at least what the municipality said
10:18now, it was not controlled,
10:20it was not closed,
10:22it was not seen why they brought containers
10:24and trucks with materials every day.
10:26Well, then it is also a mistake of the municipality.
10:28Yes.
10:30The strange thing is that there is still no imputation,
10:32especially from the owner,
10:34who is already identified,
10:36if there is a precautionary measure
10:38so that he cannot leave the country.
10:40But we are talking about a very powerful person,
10:42a very powerful person with links
10:44with the municipal power.
10:46There are still people in the municipal area,
10:48from secretaries to directors,
10:50who are also imputed
10:52or at least appear in the files.
10:54The slowness in that sense
10:56draws a lot of attention.
10:58Yes, in a common sense,
11:00the imprisonment of these first workers
11:02had nothing to do with it,
11:04or at least there were indications.
11:06But that is the striking thing.
11:08Why is there only a risk,
11:10a precautionary measure,
11:12so that Antonio Arcos Cortés
11:14cannot, in some way,
11:16with his influence in power,
11:18in some way,
11:20also direct the investigation?
11:22Considering that one of the architects
11:24was a firefighter and was there participating.
11:26They say, yes, it's fine,
11:28but he went in solidarity,
11:30he could not have touched anything.
11:32He was one of the architects of the work,
11:34who was a firefighter.
11:36Irregularity after another,
11:38the building has already fallen.
11:40That's the strange thing.
11:42What you say,
11:44what this businessman said,
11:46look, I was swindled.
11:48I hired these people
11:50to build something that I bought
11:52and he swindled me.
11:54Do you know how we ended up?
11:56Do you know the economic loss I had?
11:58I'm sorry for the victims,
12:00but the economic loss was huge.
12:02These architects swindled me.
12:04They told me it was possible.
12:06I don't know anything about construction.
12:08Well, that's how I'm personalizing it.
12:10It's like saying,
12:12look, I'm a victim too.
12:14I lost a lot of money,
12:16but I have nothing to do with it.
12:18They told me that everything was possible.
12:20I didn't know it was forbidden.
12:22Well, obviously,
12:24he's going to have some lack of information.
12:26That's why he's going to investigate
12:28if he received that the works couldn't be done,
12:30if he knew and had contact with the architect
12:32and the architect told him
12:34that these things couldn't be done.
12:36He said, look, it doesn't matter for more money.
12:38Let's see what happens in the next few days.
12:40In the meantime,
12:42there are still three people trapped
12:44among the rubble.
12:46Let's remember what I just said
12:48a few minutes ago.
12:50Since about 9 p.m.,
12:52they have been working hard
12:54and until a few minutes ago,
12:56they would have already found
12:58two new bodies among the rubble
13:00and three more would be missing.
13:02In principle,
13:04because until they remove all the rubble
13:06they won't be able to confirm it.