Tras el derrumbe del Apart Hotel Dubrovnik, cinco personas han sido detenidas mientras las autoridades investigan el uso de maquinaria pesada en las obras como posible causa. La fiscal Verónica Zamboni lidera la investigación. Los equipos de rescate continúan trabajando para retirar concreto y buscar señales de vida, aunque hasta ahora no se han encontrado.
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00:00Collapse and tragedy, there are five detainees.
00:04It's been several hours since Villa Gesell became the epicenter of the news,
00:13with this image that will remain and that will forever mark the history of that beloved city of Argentina,
00:21a coastal city of Argentina.
00:23Today, there is already a lot of talk about the use of heavy machinery in the works,
00:31as the key to the accusation that generated the collapse there in Gesell.
00:38Prosecutor Verónica Zamboni already has five detainees.
00:42She is waiting for the progress of a fundamental inquiry to be able to define and advance with the indictments.
00:50The simultaneous works emerge as the main hypothesis of the cause
00:56and the appearance of Fernando Burlando in the file gives it an important twist.
01:02We are live, working with Ale Puebla, we are going to go urgently there.
01:07Javi, how are you?
01:09Hello, how are you?
01:10Let's see, this is part of what the investigation advances, right?
01:14Fundamentally, partial inquiries have been made to all the rubble that has been removed.
01:19Some inquiries have been made from some simply oriental blocs,
01:25what they tell me, but fundamentally what they are based on is the statements,
01:34and not only from the detainees, but testimonial statements from people who have been in the hotel,
01:41who know the hotel, relatives of some of the deceased,
01:46neighbors who also gave a lot of contribution regarding the tasks they were doing,
01:53the opening of walls to make new windows,
01:57that could also have weakened the structure a bit, what they believe,
02:02that is what is also going to be analyzed,
02:05but what they pointed out is that the building had structural problems
02:12when they also began to do the tasks and they would not have taken them into account.
02:17It had cracks in several sectors of the building and that is not that they did not notice it,
02:25but they did not take this issue into account.
02:28The issue of the heavy machines that you told Facundo is also a reality
02:32and it is part of what they have reported.
02:34Some heavy machines that have worked there in the area, in the place,
02:37to carry material to the upper floors, obviously an overload of the structure as well.
02:43A building falls because it does, and no, it is rare, it is very rare that it falls after so many years,
02:49but if there is no maintenance, the deterioration, that is, the carelessness, can cause...
02:55In addition, the area where it was located, the type of material used, the floor,
03:01the researchers point out that the heavy machinery used in construction
03:06could have weakened what Javier was saying, the structure.
03:10The prosecution examines whether the inappropriate use of the equipment contributed to the collapse
03:16and to this tragedy that has already spread for several hours.
03:20We have five detainees.
03:22Live, I'm going to say hello to Alejandro Puebla in a few minutes.
03:27There is a fundamental audio.
03:30From the carpenter.
03:31Of course, the audio from the carpenter.
03:33Let's listen to it.
03:34Let's see.
03:36And these, for example, the ones here, although they are investing a lot of money
03:43in something that is practically made ball.
03:48It's like wanting to put Ale's truck on point.
03:52They want to give it a face wash.
03:54They no longer want it to be a hotel.
03:56It will no longer be apart.
03:57You see, apart, which is a department, practically the hotel.
04:00In other words, they are going to take out the ladder, the lower table, the table,
04:04I don't know, they will replace it with a sofa, I don't know.
04:08But because they will have confectionery downstairs, you see.
04:11They have a confectionery.
04:12If they want to eat, they eat downstairs.
04:14And then they are going to get tired.
04:15The idea is that all the refrigerators are taken out,
04:18they make them silver, they sell them.
04:20Everything under the table, everything, everything smells.
04:23And that it is no longer apart.
04:25Because for now it is there.
04:27Apart Hotel Durocknik.
04:30And the placards.
04:33For now, they are going to give him a face wash.
04:36I'm going to do it from the sixth floor to the first floor.
04:39More or less to condition it.
04:42And next year, or when the season ends, which I will continue,
04:47we will replace it all with melamine.
04:50Yes? And without doors.
04:52That everything is open.
04:53The architect did not like it, but it is what it is.
05:00Live, attention.
05:01Alejandro Puebla, news.
05:03This is happening now, Ale.
05:04The goal is to find the six missing people.
05:08That is our priority goal.
05:10And we are putting all the resources we have
05:13to find those six people as soon as possible.
05:16Once we find those six people,
05:18another task will come that will have to do with removing all the rubble.
05:22And there could be worked in another way.
05:25But until we find the people, the priority is to find the people.
05:30A very extensive pen.
05:31And they are not coming.
05:32Alejandro, how is it that they are ...
05:34The idea was to get to the deepest, to the deepest ground.
05:38No, no.
05:39What is the cut they have had?
05:41The pen, as the arm extends from the center of gravity of the crane,
05:46that is, from the arm extends from the crane,
05:49loses capacity to lift weight.
05:52Do you understand?
05:53Yes.
05:54We have like 40 meters more to get to the bottom.
05:57So with this crane, we will not get to the bottom.
06:01We are expanding the capacity of the cranes,
06:03but down we can go as far as we can.
06:06So we are already close to the second subsurface.
06:09I mean, imagine that from the level we are on,
06:13from the floor, it is like a subsurface.
06:15Then I had that subsurface in a car,
06:17there was another car at the level of the floor,
06:20there were two more floors,
06:23and then the tower started.
06:25That is, the ten-story tower started on what would be the third floor.
06:30The pink floor was the lower floor of the hotel,
06:34of the tower, it was the lower floor of the tower.
06:37So from there they went up ten floors.
06:40Minister, we are not seeing the passage of the dogs,
06:43which were continuous,
06:44nor the silent work that was done so much in the first 48 hours.
06:49Well, that's why.
06:50Why?
06:51Because the dogs are passing,
06:54we are working with some dogs that are trained by others,
06:58trained in another way,
07:00and the dog can work next to the firefighter.
07:04That is one part.
07:06Then, the training is what makes it different.
07:10Is it by smelling too?
07:11Of course.
07:12Yes, yes, yes, they smell.
07:13The dog smells.
07:15The difference is that the dogs always mark us in the same place,
07:18but we have to remove layers of concrete.
07:21So we have to cut, lift, cut, lift,
07:24and there were four slabs that we had to remove.
07:26That is not done.
07:27That's why I show you the productivity of the firefighters' work,
07:32so you can see that it has advanced a lot,
07:34and that we are getting closer and closer,
07:36but it is difficult for us to reach that time.
07:38Did the sonar give life signals, Minister?
07:41You were talking about silence.
07:43Silence has to do with when the dogs found,
07:47the dogs that look for living people,
07:49gave a signal,
07:50and then a whole work of probes is done there.
07:52We do all the technical work,
07:54and we are not finding signals of that.
07:57So that's why that dynamic has changed.
08:00But all the concentration is put on removing concrete,
08:05taking care that it does not hit and does not collapse the collapsed structure.
08:10Minister, did you receive signals from other cell phones?
08:13No, no.
08:14In addition, the cell phones must have stayed.
08:16You have to see the battery,
08:19and then the concrete is also a barrier for the signal to arrive.
08:23There was a sweeping of different issues,
08:26but no, I don't say that.
08:28Is there a disposition of the justice?
08:31Everything is seized.
08:33Everything that is found goes to justice.
08:35Many things were found.
08:36Then it is registered and sent to the prosecutor's office.
08:39What about the situation of the architects?
08:41No, it's the same thing I already told you.
08:43What the prosecutor is doing is identifying all the people,
08:47and depending on the level of responsibility,
08:50she will decide one measure or another.
08:53Ready?
08:54Thank you, Minister.
08:55Well, let's see.
08:56Facu, we already listened to the minister.
08:58Let's see what this left.
08:59Short and there I leave you, Facu.
09:01And that there are no signs.
09:03There are no signs of life, nor of sound, nor of dog, right?
09:06The minister just said it recently.
09:09To my question, if there were signals, he said that
09:11neither the dogs nor the sound had given signs of life.
09:14Of course, of course.
09:15There are no signals, right?
09:16Are there signals?
09:18There are no signals, there are no signals.
09:20Do you remember yesterday when we saw the minister?
09:24Do you remember?
09:25Alejandro interviewed him yesterday,
09:27and the way he spoke also gave us the idea.
09:31Do you remember that we said it, Facu?
09:32Yes.
09:34Look, Facu, and of course, Javi.
09:36It's very complicated.
09:39New images, new images of where work is being done.
09:43Do you remember that yesterday we saw the map and others?
09:46Well, now it is focused.
09:48What the minister just explained is this.
09:51Do you see that there is a hole there?
09:53Do you see where work is being done?
09:54Yes.
09:55Well, we are stuck in the basement.
09:57Do you see that there is another hole here?
09:58Yes.
09:59Well, stuck in the basement.
10:00This is the collapsed tower.
10:01Well, the holes are evident,
10:03and they are the places that are already arriving to enter the basement.
10:06Look how everything was cleaned here,
10:09compared to what the previous image was.
10:12Look at this.
10:14And look how it got to this.
10:17Look at the dates.
10:19Look how everything is put together.
10:21The 30th of the 10th was like this.
10:23Look at this.
10:24And look at how it is now.
10:26There is a thorough cleaning,
10:28a great cleaning,
10:29and there are holes where the sonar is inserted,
10:32where the dog works,
10:34where it is about to arrive.
10:36Well, the minister just said it.
10:39Alejandro.
10:40The reality is that so far there are no signals.
10:42Yes.
10:43There, in this last photo,
10:45you did it yesterday.
10:46Tell us how many floors are there,
10:48let's say, that can be seen there with the balconies.
10:51Ah, very good, look.
10:52It is very good what Javi asks,
10:54because if I see it like this,
10:55notice that it is buried in the basement, Javi.
10:57We have 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10,
11:03and all the top part.
11:0511, 12 are these two.
11:07Look, here starts the first one, already inside the basement, you see?
11:10There it is, yes.
11:121, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9,
11:17and the platform of 10,
11:18which was where the water tank was,
11:20and the other parts.
11:21Now, Ale,
11:22in the opening we realized
11:25that the prosecutor points to the use of heavy machinery,
11:30perhaps, I don't know, inadequate,
11:33or in poor use.
11:34What about that?
11:37Look, we have not seen or witnesses
11:41who have said that heavy machinery was being used here.
11:44Yes, they were using a kind of broken percutors,
11:48or drills of great size.
11:51Of course, they are to break concrete, right?
11:54To cut a concrete,
11:57to break a part of the structure,
12:01obviously, that they were doing.
12:03It is clear that on the other side of here,
12:06and we told you yesterday,
12:07they were making a mega-window.
12:09They built a window where there should be a wall.
12:12Well, that work, they say, was not allowed.
12:15In the middle, an architect resigns,
12:17who had told them not to do that.
12:18One of the detainees declares
12:20that they had to continue working
12:22until orders came from above.
12:24Of course.
12:25It is practically what he declares.
12:26Well, there are a lot of things
12:28that are obviously making the alarm go off.
12:31Pay attention to the statement,
12:32and Javier Díaz also said it yesterday,
12:34the statement of one of the detainees.
12:37And the judge says,
12:39but why did you, the first thing you reacted to,
12:41get under the bed thinking it was going to collapse?
12:44Well, there was silence.
12:45Why?
12:46Because one of the detainees says,
12:47I heard a noise, I thought it was going to fall,
12:49and I got under the bed.
12:50Well, all the other witnesses,
12:52without this worker,
12:53the noise, they thought it was a lightning,
12:55that it was a tsunami,
12:58a tsunami,
12:59a lot of other things.
13:00All right?
13:01Now, this man, as soon as he heard a noise,
13:03his unconscious made him think
13:05that the building was going to fall.
13:06Well, why did you consider,
13:07or your unconscious had in mind
13:10that this was going to happen,
13:12if supposedly everything was going well?
13:14Well, these are answers
13:15that must be given to justice.
13:16Yes, yes.
13:17That's why that sentence
13:18of this arrested person is fundamental.
13:20He heard a noise,
13:21he felt that,
13:23and suddenly he got under the bed
13:25because everything was going to fall.
13:26Well, but why was your first idea
13:27that everything was going to fall?
13:29Because you are inside a building.
13:32You don't know if something exploded,
13:35if the elevator fell.
13:37Isn't that right?
13:39Obviously, you go out to the balcony
13:41to see what happened.
13:42And it's the two of them who were saved.
13:43Of course, that's why.
13:44It's the two of them who were saved.
13:45The two of them knew something was going to happen.
13:47For some reason, they ran away.
13:49For some reason, Rosa ended up
13:50under the rubble,
13:51which you can see she didn't know.
13:52For some reason, now they are looking
13:54for Dana and Nahuel.
13:57Well, the situation is complex
13:59regarding his statement.
14:02Let me tell you that he is another minister
14:04who just spoke.
14:06Shorter, less hopeful.
14:08Time, of course, does its thing.
14:11It was specific,
14:12he gave three or four details,
14:14and you were left with that idea, right?
14:16There are no encouraging signals so far.
14:21This has to be marked.
14:24Yes, yes, another semblance.
14:27Another semblance.
14:28Another semblance today.
14:29A semblance that also
14:30communicated to the family.
14:32And the concrete answer,
14:34and it must also be said that,
14:35among everything,
14:36they are giving information.
14:37There are signs of life.
14:38Look, there.
14:39Today, no, there isn't.
14:40The dogs marked the places.
14:43The RH dogs marked places,
14:45okay?
14:46Yes.
14:47The others didn't mark
14:49the places they were marking yesterday.
14:51The sonar didn't give life today.
14:53Does it mean there isn't?
14:55No.
14:56It can be a very slow heartbeat.
14:58It can be a person who is asleep
15:01or who is passed out.
15:02Well,
15:03hope continues for the family.
15:05Who is going to take it away
15:06until they show them the opposite?
15:08Well, going to the information,
15:10there are signs of life there.
15:11At this time, Facu,
15:12the truth is that there isn't.
15:15I notice something that Alex showed there.
15:17I don't know if you still have the card
15:19with the photos.
15:21Because the place where Rosa,
15:25Nahuel and Dana were
15:27was the first floor.
15:29And today, what is left of the first floor
15:31is everything attached to the first,
15:32second, third and fourth floors, right?
15:36Here, look, Javi.
15:38This,
15:39this, look,
15:40for us to understand,
15:41and here it is going to be very neat,
15:42this construction that you see here,
15:44Yes.
15:46which is almost underground,
15:47Yes.
15:48is the part that is missing here,
15:50which is this height,
15:51this that you see here,
15:52is the terrace of the balcony of Rosa.
15:54This detached
15:56is this part that is missing here,
15:58yes?
15:59If one lifts it, it fits perfectly.
16:01That was in the second basement, look.
16:03Look, look, Diego.
16:04Come, come here where it says,
16:05where the worker is working now,
16:07over there,
16:08that they are going to take out a column
16:09in minutes, nothing more.
16:10Come there.
16:11Well, that image
16:12that you are seeing there
16:13that Diego shows you
16:14of that terrace,
16:15is this terrace, look.
16:16It's this part
16:17that Diego shows you there, look.
16:18It's this, yes?
16:19Of course.
16:20Is it okay?
16:21Yes.
16:22Now, here was Rosa.
16:23Well,
16:24what about Rosa
16:25that was at that height
16:26of a third floor,
16:27today it is almost
16:28at the height of the street,
16:29which is this.
16:30Remember,
16:31remember where the sea is.
16:32Everything is imprisoned by
16:33more floors.
16:34Remember where the sea is
16:35so that people can orient themselves,
16:36which is for,
16:37I say,
16:38the curve,
16:39the construction that stood,
16:40is the one that looks at the sea,
16:41correct?
16:44Of course, of course,
16:45it is the one that looks at the sea,
16:46which is this,
16:47which is here in front,
16:48which is the only thing
16:49that remained standing.
16:51Of course,
16:52of course,
16:53and what you see there,
16:54detached,
16:56is what would be
16:57the ceiling of Rosa's room,
17:00what you see
17:01in that photo.
17:03What Diego is showing you
17:04is the floor,
17:05sorry,
17:06of Rosa's room,
17:07below.
17:08Look,
17:09Diego is going to zoom in.
17:10Let's do this job together.
17:11Diego is going to zoom in
17:12through the window,
17:13Diego,
17:14sorry,
17:15I want to show you
17:16that there is something
17:17fallen,
17:18cracked,
17:19can you see it, Javi?
17:20I don't know how you see it.
17:21That's the floor of Rosa's room.
17:22Do you see it?
17:23It's fallen.
17:24That's the floor of Rosa's room.
17:25What is this?
17:26Look,
17:27we show it here again.
17:28It's this part,
17:29look.
17:30What Diego was just showing you
17:31is this.
17:32You can see it,
17:33clearly.
17:34Here is the staircase
17:35that you are observing.
17:36Look.
17:37Here they are walking now
17:38and it is the broken part
17:39that you see
17:40and this is that floor
17:41hanging.
17:42The slab of Rosa's floor,
17:43this part
17:44hanging.
17:45Wait,
17:46and the ceiling
17:47of Rosa's room,
17:48what is it?
17:49The ceiling of Rosa's room
17:50is in the first basement.
17:51So it fell,
17:52it opened in the middle
17:53and everything fell,
17:54ceiling and floor
17:55down, right?
17:56From the third floor
17:57the first basement fell,
17:58yes.
17:59That's why that crack,
18:00that crack
18:01is not that it has fallen,
18:02but that it broke
18:03and fell,
18:04right?
18:05Of course,
18:06of course,
18:07Rosa's body
18:08was found
18:09Of course,
18:10down there?
18:11At the height of the street,
18:12must be at the height
18:13Of the garage?
18:14That one that Diego
18:15is going to show you now.
18:16In the garage?
18:19Now,
18:20how incredible,
18:21how incredible Javi,
18:22Alex.
18:23The situation is critical,
18:24guys.
18:25How symbolic
18:26that image
18:27so characteristic
18:28of the Durovnik
18:29has remained standing,
18:30right?
18:31That like the trunk
18:32of the ship,
18:33as they had thought
18:34the building.
18:35It is the only thing
18:36that had nothing above,
18:37Javi.
18:38Of course,
18:39of course,
18:40but well,
18:41then,
18:42if they are going to throw it
18:43down,
18:44if there is a risk
18:45of being,
18:46let's say,
18:47collapsing too,
18:48right?
18:49Yes,
18:50yes,
18:51and even,
18:52maybe,
18:53I don't know,
18:54I don't know.
18:55Yes,
18:56yes,
18:57at this moment,
18:58and it must be said
18:59so,
19:00the way it is worked,
19:01the way it is worked
19:02is practically
19:03to try to move
19:04the large pieces
19:05of concrete.
19:06Production has
19:07a video,
19:08Facu,
19:09that we can
19:10pass,
19:11that has been obtained
19:12for you to observe
19:13how the floor
19:14and the ceiling are stuck
19:15and how the rescuers
19:16enter,
19:17to try to see
19:18if they hear someone
19:19asking for help.
19:20That will make them
19:21understand how
19:22the layers of these
19:2310 buildings
19:24were.
19:25How did this
19:26look?
19:27How did this
19:28look?
19:29And how do they have
19:30to put the head?
19:31The video
19:32you are going to see
19:33is from this area.
19:34How do they put
19:35the head
19:36between the rubble
19:37and how did
19:38the floors
19:39and the ceilings
19:40of these buildings
19:41slide?
19:42And how did
19:43they put this
19:44four inches of rubble
19:45by 4 cm?
19:46Ok,
19:47I insist
19:48that the prosecutor
19:49when one speaks
19:50with sources
19:51close to this cause
19:52places emphasis
19:53on the inadequate
19:54use of machines
19:55and I do not know
19:56what she is referring to
19:57whether it is that
19:58they put a
19:58underground excavator
19:59where it was not
20:00supposed to be
20:01or whether
20:03the machine
20:04with which they
20:05were looking
20:05to make this
20:06change in the
20:07aesthetic
20:08of which
20:08The windows that they made, eh?
20:10Is that it?
20:11No, I mean, I don't know, from what they tell me,
20:14they are pointing more than anything to those windows that did not exist,
20:17that they started to make them.
20:19There are some photos, let's see if we can put them,
20:21that the production team has,
20:25so that you can see the before and the after.
20:27Alejandro was also talking about this yesterday.
20:30This...
20:31Join Ale with that, that you also know them,
20:34and you were also touring the place.
20:36There we are seeing the new windows.
20:40Among others, new.
20:42Ah, yes, yes.
20:43These are the new windows that we have marked.
20:45That cannot be understood, Javi.
20:46There it is.
20:47Now we are going to see another photo.
20:49Yes?
20:50You see, they had opened
20:54that long red wall,
20:56red,
20:58and they transformed it into windows.
21:00And look at what the building was held on.
21:03In principle, that part.
21:05I don't know if that was already calculated, no.
21:08Obviously not.
21:09Because the hotel fell to that side.
21:13And there is another image.
21:15You are seeing how they are working, right?
21:16The bricks and everything.
21:18This image, Javi, is perfect to understand
21:21how they put those columns.
21:23Exactly.
21:24But what level of...
21:25Let's see.
21:26There you can understand why that architect gave up, right?
21:29Exactly.
21:30How are they going to remove the...
21:32I mean, that which holds...
21:34I don't know if the whole structure,
21:37but at least a large part.
21:38If you weaken that part, you go down,
21:40which is what you can see, right?
21:46Look, Facu,
21:47to appreciate what you are showing and what you are telling,
21:50look now, because there is a risk of collapse,
21:51how they stacked the columns
21:54because part of the windows is missing.
21:55Of course.
21:57Very clear.
21:57What you are seeing there that Diego shows you
21:59is what should have been done,
22:02but not with that structure.
22:03That is done when you have only one floor above.
22:07They had ten above.
22:09Well, imagine the work that has to be done
22:13to hold ten floors.
22:14Not to put a wood
22:16or not to put an iron, okay?
22:19Because it comes down.