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00:00Welcome once again, America has elected its 47th president in its 60th election.
00:08And every four years, no matter what the result is, it makes headlines.
00:15If you look at the current date, it is very interesting to see what patterns have been left.
00:19But this matter is very different from many references.
00:22It is also very interesting in terms of Pakistan's lens.
00:25And we are evaluating it in different ways.
00:27All our panelists are with us.
00:29Mr. Kashyap, if you can hear us, please tell us.
00:32Just like we were talking about tweets in the Pakistan contest,
00:35that someone had written this before.
00:37In Pakistan, the opponents of Imran Khan have been drawing comparisons.
00:41In many references, Imran Khan's temperament and Donald Trump's temperament.
00:45Let's put that aside for now.
00:47This is definitely a wave of popular politics all over the world.
00:52And the thought is that when a leader of popular politics comes,
00:56because you have to put more emphasis on narrative building,
00:58the governance becomes secondary.
01:00So there are a lot of morals, logic, a lot of things are compromised.
01:04And then it affects the whole society.
01:06Polarization increases in the society.
01:08This is Trump's second election.
01:11It's January 6th there.
01:13He has 34 convictions.
01:15Despite all this, his coming.
01:17Do you think American society will move towards more polarization in the years to come?
01:26Honestly, I don't know much about American society.
01:31How it responds to these things.
01:34But I saw one thing.
01:36When Donald Trump was elected for the first time,
01:38his own society or intelligentsia responded and reacted to him.
01:43How did this happen?
01:45How did we get to this?
01:47And were there any corrective measures for this?
01:50I don't know how the society will respond.
01:52But one thing you said about populist.
01:55You are absolutely right.
01:57What is a populist politician?
01:59He speaks in an acceptable way.
02:01It is not necessary to be good for him,
02:03or to comply with any ethics or moral standards.
02:05The only problem in the Pakistani context is that
02:08in our country, everyone is a populist.
02:10No one believes it.
02:12They just tell each other that he is a populist.
02:14For example, in our country, every politician will say that Imran Khan is a populist.
02:17But everyone lies.
02:20Everyone makes big claims.
02:23Where is your democracy?
02:25We had to fight against fascism till 2022.
02:27What happened in the next two years?
02:29We had to bring respect to the vote.
02:31We had to establish democratic principles.
02:33All these things happened only when we were in the opposition.
02:36We only feel bad about the negative character of the establishment in politics
02:39when it is in the hands of someone else.
02:41In our country, everyone is a populist.
02:43At any given time,
02:45whoever is successful in making a deal,
02:47decides who will make the government.
02:50You are saying that everyone is a populist.
02:52Everyone is lying.
02:56The problem is that everyone is a populist.
02:58Absolutely right.
03:00I am telling you honestly.
03:02In the press conference,
03:04someone said that we cannot be like him.
03:06We try to be like him.
03:08Today, tell me, will anyone tell the truth
03:10about what happened in the last two years?
03:12No one will.
03:14Mr. Khawar wants to add something.
03:16Mr. Wasim,
03:18your question is that
03:20he is a populist
03:22and he won the election by making statements.
03:24There is a lot of debate on this.
03:26In 2000,
03:28there was a book by Donald Trump,
03:30America We Deserve.
03:32In it, he has clearly built a story.
03:34He is talking about tariffs,
03:36he is talking about the economy,
03:38he is talking about immigration.
03:40His thought process,
03:42the things he believed in,
03:44he went ahead with that.
03:46In today's election,
03:48we were talking during the break,
03:50in America,
03:52this election of 2024,
03:54primarily,
03:56inflation, high prices,
03:58expensive housing,
04:00and grocery,
04:02all these were decided by him.
04:04So, this argument
04:06is being built
04:08that he brought divisiveness
04:10to the society
04:12because of which he got the vote.
04:14Across sections of the American society,
04:16he got the vote.
04:18Especially in the battleground states,
04:20county to county,
04:22he got the vote
04:24on certain issues.
04:26Not that he came and
04:28did this or that,
04:30and then he gave the vote.
04:32Again, if you look at this election,
04:34you can see the beauty
04:36and strength of the American democracy.
04:38On our first page,
04:40we also have
04:42the sovereignty of Allah,
04:44and then the elected representatives
04:46of the people
04:48will use it as a sacred duty.
04:50There, people have voted.
04:52People's vote has been counted.
04:54And the result is in front of you.
04:56Mr. Malik, going forward,
04:58we were talking about the international front,
05:00about Ukraine, about the Middle East.
05:02Obviously, in the context of Afghanistan,
05:04we have been very relevant for America.
05:06Obviously, today's situation is different.
05:08Do you think that at least
05:10in the near future,
05:12there will be some relevance
05:14in the context of Afghanistan?
05:22Look,
05:24we don't have anything
05:26to offer America right now.
05:28Neither in terms of nuisance value,
05:30nor in terms of positive contribution.
05:32And this is what goes
05:34most to the right of the PTI.
05:36If there is any influence
05:38or pressure from there,
05:40then Pakistan is economically
05:42very dependent on America.
05:44IMF and everything involved.
05:46So there is a lot of pressure.
05:48But earlier you talked about divisiveness.
05:50Look,
05:52one thing is that elections win.
05:54The presence of one thing does not mean
05:56that other things are negated.
05:58In the election,
06:00abortion was not such a big issue.
06:02But that does not mean
06:04that it is not a big issue there.
06:06But that issue is there.
06:08In America,
06:10gender and other issues
06:12are very serious.
06:14Transgender,
06:16homosexuality,
06:18these are all
06:20their hardline views.
06:22They also say that
06:24there is only he and she.
06:26There is nothing else.
06:28That is also a very divisive thing.
06:30I was watching American television
06:32in the last 24 hours.
06:34Now a secondary debate
06:36has started there.
06:38What will happen to
06:40civil rights and
06:42big things that have come
06:44with difficulty?
06:46Donald Trump is also
06:48against affirmative action.
06:50There are quotas for
06:52minorities, blacks,
06:54jobs, women's
06:56religious privileges.
06:58Now reality bites will also
07:00start there.
07:02Abortion has become
07:04a big issue.
07:06Kamala Harris's government
07:08has also destroyed it.
07:10Economically,
07:12this man will fix the economy.
07:14But this does not mean
07:16that multilayered things
07:18will be finished.
07:20I have spent a lot of time
07:22in America.
07:24I have seen it for a long time.
07:26I see a lot of polarization
07:28increasing.
07:30I do not want to leave
07:32these people.
07:34I have to prosecute them.
07:36He is not a forgiving man.
07:38He is not a man who forgets
07:40or forgives.
07:42He is in a mental state
07:44of victimhood.
07:46I have been a victim for 4 years.
07:48There were handpicked
07:50judges against me.
07:52I will not leave them.
07:54Especially when Congress
07:56and Senate are with you.
07:58You will see that
08:00many laws will be repealed
08:02rather than being enacted.
08:04It is going to have a very
08:06serious polarizing effect.
08:08But we have nothing to do with it.
08:12He is going to be a divisive
08:14president.
08:16In 2020,
08:18when Biden won the midterm election,
08:20Democrats gained a lot.
08:22In America,
08:24there is a constant check
08:26by the ruling party.
08:28For example,
08:30all the slogans of Trump
08:32that I will prosecute him,
08:34I will put him in jail,
08:36I will throw him out.
08:38Two years later,
08:40when he goes to the midterm,
08:42people throw him out.
08:44There will be a constant under check.
08:46If he gets into these circles
08:48that I have to put him in jail
08:50then I will definitely
08:52prosecute him.
08:58When the Attorney General
09:00chooses his cabinet,
09:02you will see who the Attorney General is.
09:04The choice of the Attorney General
09:06will make it very clear
09:08whether he is going to the warpath
09:10or the other.
09:12That office is very powerful.
09:14You will know from his choice.
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13:30Assalam-o-Alaikum.
13:32Walaikum-as-salam.
13:34Two questions.
13:36First, are you surprised
13:38by the results of today's election?
13:40Second, do you think
13:42the internal politics of Pakistan
13:44will have an impact
13:46in the weeks, months
13:48and years to come?
13:50Do you think the internal politics
13:52of Pakistan will have an impact
13:54in the weeks, months
13:56and years to come?
13:58To be honest, I am not surprised.
14:00To be honest, I am not surprised.
14:02I knew that Donald Trump
14:04would win.
14:06I am not saying this
14:08with hindsight wisdom.
14:10I thought that the American voters
14:12I thought that the American voters
14:14were appealing to them
14:16on their agenda.
14:18What were they saying?
14:20They were saying that the traditionalist
14:22foreign policy,
14:24that you have started wars
14:26and sometimes you go
14:28towards globalization,
14:30all these things,
14:32my vote bank,
14:34their jobs have gone,
14:36their livelihood has gone,
14:38their employment has gone.
14:40So, that came on America's
14:42first strategy.
14:44So, see, if any person
14:46does America first or his first,
14:48his voters will like it.
14:50Secondly, the Democrats,
14:52see, America's society
14:54the Democrats,
14:56I don't know where they went,
14:58LGBTQ,
15:00and then transgenders,
15:02that world,
15:04I think, conservative America
15:06was not ready for that.
15:08I think you will see this backlash
15:10in Europe as well.
15:12Because it is unnatural.
15:14So, I am not surprised.
15:16Secondly, you asked a question,
15:18Pakistan's internal politics,
15:20Mr. Imran Khan,
15:22that same policy of Donald Trump,
15:24which I am saying,
15:26that they will not interfere
15:28internally in the outside world.
15:30Their focus is more on inside America.
15:32And why will they do it from Pakistan?
15:34What benefit will they get?
15:36At this time, even if they
15:38would have come, even if Maftarma
15:40would have come,
15:42both of their policies
15:44regarding Pakistan were that
15:46Pakistan is connected to China
15:48and they considered China as their neighbor.
15:50Donald Trump has also said
15:52that he will put restrictions
15:54across the board on China.
15:58So, they have chosen India
16:00to compete with China.
16:02So, I don't see any
16:04kind of interference
16:06in Pakistan.
16:08I don't think there will be
16:10any impact on it.
16:12And there was some hype about it.
16:14I don't know what was the
16:16fundamental reason for it.
16:18So, I don't see any
16:20interest of America
16:22in Pakistan.
16:24Why will they do it?
16:26One of the reasons is that
16:28the kind of person Trump is,
16:30he is a person of his own temperament.
16:32So, if he has a personal
16:34preference, then he can do it.
16:36In your opinion,
16:38what will you call it,
16:40they have increased it.
16:42It was a small thing,
16:44but they have increased it
16:46to some extent.
16:48I don't want to disappoint anyone
16:50if anyone has any expectations.
16:52But, I have seen
16:54in the past 75 years
16:56in history,
16:58that every incoming
17:00president of America
17:02sees that he should
17:04use relations with Pakistan
17:06to the extent
17:08to which they benefit from it.
17:10When the benefit was over,
17:12they would do it in two days,
17:14but before that,
17:16many of our leaders
17:18were confused
17:20that they have found
17:22a big mystery.
17:24It doesn't happen like that.
17:26They just follow their own national interest.
17:28Sir, please stay with me for a while.
17:30Mr. Kashyap, I think
17:32this is the same thing
17:34from where you started.
17:36You were saying that
17:38if there is a demand
17:40from there,
17:42it will happen.
17:44Pakistan's packing order
17:46is very low.
17:48Pakistan doesn't exist
17:50on the American map.
17:52If there is pressure
17:54from the lobby,
17:56the Pakistani diaspora,
17:58if they are very close
18:00to Donald Trump,
18:02if they have written
18:04a letter to the world,
18:06then it is possible
18:08that something will happen.
18:10If someone calls,
18:12Donald Trump himself
18:14will not call,
18:16but if someone calls,
18:18it will be very difficult
18:20for us to refuse.
18:22We know that the lifelines
18:24or ventilators
18:26that we were told
18:28that our economy depends
18:30on ventilators,
18:32it is very difficult
18:34to refuse that economy.
18:36I don't know
18:38whether the PTI
18:40is expecting this
18:42because they thought
18:44that there should be
18:46no external interference
18:48in our affairs.
18:50I agree with it.
18:52This is our own
18:54fight to fight.
18:56Pakistan's system
18:58is an internal fight
19:00that everyone
19:02has to fight
19:04to fix this system.
19:06But whoever gets an offer
19:08or a chance,
19:10they also go and stand
19:12on the other side.
19:14This is Mr. Imran Khan's
19:16first response.
19:18Please comment on it.
19:20What did Mr. Khan say?
19:22There are a lot of talks
19:24going on.
19:26Mr. Khan only said
19:28that we expect that
19:30whichever government comes
19:32will remain neutral.
19:34Yes, it will remain neutral.
19:36Mr. Malik?
19:40The PTI does not want neutrality.
19:42Neutrality means that
19:44if it remains hands-off,
19:46then it is of no use.
19:48But as Mr. Ejaz was saying,
19:50I am not looking at it
19:52as a foreign policy
19:54initiative.
19:56On the basis of
19:58domestic politics,
20:00if there are
20:02calls on the second or third tier,
20:04then it is a different matter.
20:06As we were saying earlier,
20:08in Kashmir,
20:10Diaspora has supported
20:12local congressmen
20:14and senators.
20:16They put pressure on them.
20:18There are talks in the centre.
20:20After that, the wheels
20:22sit in motion.
20:24It is not a matter of telephone.
20:26It is a matter of who does it and when.
20:28Why do they do it?
20:30It is very important and critical.
20:32I think that the first
20:344-5 months,
20:36they have to become president
20:38in January.
20:40We are in October,
20:42November, December,
20:44and January.
20:46After 2.5-3 months,
20:48the first 3-4 months,
20:50they have to become
20:52a cabinet in their domestic affairs.
20:54Even if a call comes,
20:56it will take 6-8 months.
20:58In these 6-8 months,
21:00we feel that
21:02a lot of things are happening.
21:04The judicial changes,
21:06the extensions,
21:08the terms, the tenures have changed.
21:10Things are moving at a different pace.
21:12If there is a telephone call,
21:14will it be a case of
21:16too little, too late?
21:18Because here,
21:20I don't see it before 6-7 months.
21:22Here, 6-7 months is very critical.
21:24So, we have to see
21:26whether the timing coincides or not.
21:28Right.
21:32One thing is that
21:34Kamala Harris has not yet
21:36accepted defeat.
21:38I will add one more thing.
21:40It should not happen that
21:42in the fear of this call,
21:44the timetables here
21:46get faster.
21:48The things that were supposed to happen
21:50after 8 months,
21:52they are doing it in the 3rd month.
21:54Do a close transaction.
21:56Some of our friends think
21:58that legalization will be done soon.
22:00Thank you very much.
22:02Mr. Khawar, please complete.
22:04I was saying that
22:06Kamala Harris has not yet
22:08accepted defeat.
22:10Of course,
22:12there is a way to call in the morning.
22:14From Pakistan,
22:16I think we have seen
22:18dozens of messages
22:20from the Prime Minister
22:22to the MNS,
22:24across the party,
22:26PTI, PMLN,
22:28and so on.
22:30Everyone is saying,
22:32you are great.
22:34You are great.
22:36You are great.
22:38Tehran has also sent
22:40its message.
22:42Modi has also sent it.
22:44Netanyahu has also sent it.
22:46I am saying that the way
22:48we take effect,
22:50Pakistan has 90% bureaucracy,
22:52full brighters.
22:54Pakistan's Khaki bureaucracy
22:56has different trainings.
22:58We see our DNA towards
23:00that side.
23:02Therefore,
23:04it is just a matter of time
23:06to see if there is
23:08a sign or not.
23:10How did you make Pakistan's DNA?
23:12What?
23:14Pakistan's DNA.
23:16You must have gone.
23:18I did not go.
23:20You are talking about
23:22power circles.
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29:08The Pakistani community in America is relentless.
29:10The Pakistani community in America is relentless.
29:12We have seen it for the past year and a half.
29:14They are not sitting at ease.
29:16They have used all their financial power,
29:18They have used all their financial power,
29:20their social capital.
29:22They have made big breakthroughs in the American system.
29:24They have made big breakthroughs in the American system.
29:26They will keep trying.
29:28They will keep trying.
29:30I don't think they will sit at ease
29:32until they are able to put pressure on Mr. Imran Khan.
29:34until they are able to put pressure on Mr. Imran Khan.
29:36I will expect more political activity
29:38I will expect more political activity
29:40from the Pakistani diaspora.
29:42They will try to increase time and space
29:44that they do not lodge a tweet
29:46or a policy statement about him
29:48that they do not lodge a tweet
29:50or a policy statement about him
29:52so that they put pressure on him.
29:56So you gave a statement on this.
29:58So you gave a statement on this.
30:00Also let Ali ask,
30:02Also let Ali ask,
30:04I was coming from Dubai, so you know that...
30:06There will be jammers, yes.
30:08Human jammers and non-human jammers.
30:10There are all kinds of jammers here and there.
30:14So today Mr. Khan asked
30:16three or four times in Haryana
30:18during the jail proceedings
30:20what happened to the US election
30:22of Mr. Trump and Kamala Harris.
30:24In the end, when he was told
30:26that Mr. Trump is probably
30:28in a winning position,
30:30he expressed his happiness about it.
30:32And he also said that
30:34when he talked to the media,
30:36I don't know if the media
30:38reports this or not,
30:40Mr. Khan also said that
30:42he had a friendship with Mr. Trump
30:44and Trump used to call him regularly.
30:46He said that
30:48not for himself, but for the country,
30:50I think that after the change
30:52in the administration,
30:54when a new administration
30:56will come,
30:58he will have at least a neutral stance
31:00in this matter.
31:02So he didn't say anything
31:04about his stay
31:06on the basis of Mr. Trump's victory.
31:08But he certainly said
31:10that when Biden's administration
31:12changes,
31:14it is expected that at least
31:16he will remain neutral in this matter.
31:18And it is hoped that for Pakistan,
31:20the bilateral relations
31:22between the US and Pakistan
31:24will be better.
31:26Especially, he said
31:28that during his time
31:30as Prime Minister,
31:32he said that good relations
31:34were being established
31:36between the administration of
31:38Mr. Trump and the government
31:40of Pakistan under Mr. Khan.
31:42So it is expected that
31:44the US will play a good role
31:46in all the matters in the region
31:48or the relations between
31:50Pakistan and the US will be better.
31:52Thank you very much, Mr. Ali.
31:54Mr. Malik and Mr. Kashi,
31:56Mr. Khan expressed his happiness
31:58and said that Mr. Trump and I
32:00are friends and we regularly
32:02call each other.
32:04I don't know.
32:06I am hearing this for the first time
32:08that we regularly call each other.
32:10I don't know.
32:12Historically, when the Republicans
32:14came to Pakistan,
32:16things were better.
32:18But I don't think that neutrality
32:20will be a good news for Mr. Khan
32:22because neutrality means disinterested.
32:24They need partiality
32:26so that there is interest
32:28and then there is some kind of
32:30positive intervention.
32:32So neutrality is a good thing
32:34but in reality, it is a bad news.
32:36Mr. Kashi expressed his happiness
32:38and said that Mr. Trump and I
32:40are friends and we regularly
32:42call each other.
32:44I am surprised.
32:46I have heard this for the first time.
32:48But if it is true that we are friends
32:50and we regularly call each other,
32:52then the PTA people should be happy
32:54that this is a game changer.
32:56If Imran Khan is a friend
32:58and he would call him frequently.
33:00I am not too sure about this
33:02because I don't know about this.
33:04But this should be a good positive sign
33:06for a lot of justice activists.
33:08Let's see.
33:10We will make a call easier for him.
33:12Thank you very much.
33:14Thank you to all the Americans.
33:16It is certain that the angle
33:18from which we have spoken
33:20is that when the President of the United States
33:22is elected,
33:24he has a political,
33:26economic, and military influence
33:28all over the world.
33:30And the fact that Donald Trump
33:32has come, it is certain
33:34that things will not work
33:36the way they used to.
33:38The whole system has changed,
33:40the mindset has changed,
33:42the personality has changed
33:44and the personality has also changed
33:46like Donald Trump.
33:48We will definitely see
33:50different headlines.
33:52Let's see what happens.
33:54That's all for now.
33:56Even though Mariam Ahmed doesn't
33:58mention it on social media,
34:00but you should definitely watch
34:02the bulletin at 6,
34:04reporters at 7,
34:06and Kashifbhai at 8.
34:08That's all for now.