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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, I am Maryam Aiman with the program Sawaleh, today's top stories are
00:16Tariq-e-Insaaf.
00:17After the US election, we can see the hope, their body language, their tweets, their statements.
00:22After Trump's victory in the election, we can clearly see a euphoria in the PTI camp.
00:28We will talk about this in the first part of the program.
00:30After that, the mini-budget is coming.
00:32The finance minister himself said this two days ago.
00:36And more taxes can be imposed on it.
00:38The finance minister has also told us this.
00:40What are the priorities of the government?
00:42We will also talk about this in the second part of the program.
00:44Finally, the modern media of the modern era is now social media.
00:48If we say that social media has played a role in Trump's victory alone in the US election,
00:56then it would not be wrong to say this.
00:57Let's start the program.
00:59If you talk to the people of Tariq-e-Insaaf, they will not confirm this on the record.
01:03But after Trump's victory, their political statements, their body language, their tweets, their statements are different.
01:13You can see an optimism.
01:15They now carefully craft their arguments in the on-air statements.
01:21They say that Pakistan is a sovereign country.
01:23No one should be allowed to interfere in the internal affairs of any other country.
01:28But you can clearly see that they are relieved after this incident.
01:34That the old policy of the Biden administration will change.
01:40Some people were believing it on-air.
01:42Some people gave statements on-air.
01:44People from Tariq-e-Insaaf, listen to that too.
01:46We expect from Donald Trump that when he talks about Pakistan, he will also talk about Imran Khan.
01:52He had a good relationship with Trump as a Prime Minister and President of the United States.
01:57He had a good relationship with him, like a friendship or a bilateral relationship.
02:00When Jaiswal has engaged with Trump and his team,
02:04he has been assured that the state of human rights in Pakistan and the state of Imran Khan will be among our top priorities after coming to power.
02:13Tariq-e-Insaaf knows how to make statements.
02:16They also have the skill to start a debate.
02:19The government just keeps reacting.
02:21If we look at this matter, it started with Tariq-e-Insaaf's euphoria.
02:27But the government seems to have entered a panic mode after that.
02:31They are reacting very aggressively to the claims of PTI.
02:35They are saying that there is no such thing.
02:37No country can interfere.
02:39If there is a phone call, we will see.
02:41Even though he is in an official position, he gave some responsible statements about the upcoming President of the United States.
02:54I am talking about Rana Sanaullah and Khawaja Asif.
02:57The government is a little nervous.
02:59You can see that in their language and statements.
03:02Take a look at this too.
03:04Whether he is called Pakistan's Imran Khan or Imran Khan is called America's Trump.
03:10Both of them have a lot of habits.
03:13Lying, being stubborn, making fun of others, going to the extent of adopting illegal handcuffs to get their point accepted.
03:22This option is also being tried.
03:25They are saying that they want to influence Pakistan.
03:28They are saying that they want to influence Pakistan.
03:34This whole thing started when Zulfi Bukhari tweeted and talked about it.
03:38Then it was reported in the newspapers that Zulfi Bukhari is going to America.
03:43And now he himself will talk to Donald Trump about this issue.
03:47Because he is a close ally of Imran Khan.
03:50He has relations with the Trump administration.
03:52So he will play the role of a bridge.
03:54When asked if it is true that you will formally contact the President of the United States,
04:00so that he is considered your official policy.
04:02He said that it has been misquoted.
04:04Yes, if I have to play a role, I will.
04:06But for now, there is no possibility.
04:20Zulfi Bukhari has talked to me. He has not said anything like this.
04:22And what he said has been misquoted.
04:24He does not have any plans at the moment.
04:26Nor is there any connection with him.
04:28When the need arises and I am told, then I will play a role.
04:35In the first segment of the program, we have Hamid Mir Sahib with us.
04:37Naseem Zahra Sahib is with us.
04:39He is a senior journalist.
04:40How has the situation changed in Pakistan's politics over the past decades?
04:44The situation is being monitored.
04:46Has there been any political interference of foreign powers in Pakistan before?
04:50This is also a history that has been declared in front of us.
04:54We will talk about this as well.
04:56Mir Sahib, let's start with you.
04:58The government seems to be in a bit of a panic mode.
05:00We have seen the statements of Rana Sanaullah Sahib and Khawaja Sahib.
05:04Is this their worry or anxiety?
05:06Is this permissible?
05:08Or is this the same political rhetoric that has to be responded to by political rhetoric?
05:12Is this why they are talking like this?
05:17Thank you very much.
05:19Look, this panic has not started just now.
05:22This panic started a few days ago.
05:25And the Supreme Court has made a new bench,
05:32through the amendment of Article 26.
05:34And then some other decisions have been made.
05:36The army chief has been given more time to serve.
05:39So, I think all this was a prelude to this.
05:43Everyone was aware of the results of the American election.
05:47Trump has a lot of chances of winning.
05:51So, I think this was a prelude to this.
05:57And precautionary measures were taken.
05:59And a lot of work has been done under the 26th amendment.
06:02And now a message is being given through the defense minister and some other ministers.
06:09That we are not ready to take any dictation.
06:13But along with this, there is another aspect to this.
06:16And that is, the leadership of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf is also looking a little defensive.
06:23Some leaders, like Lateef Khosa Sahib, were openly saying that
06:27if Trump wins, the chances of Imran Khan Sahib's release will increase.
06:31But there are some who are giving the impression that
06:35we don't care and we don't expect anything from Trump.
06:39But the real thing is that in Trump's election campaign,
06:44the American Pakistanis, especially the Tehreek-e-Insaf people,
06:50did a lot of lobbying and supported him.
06:52And we see the PTI people very happy with his victory.
06:57And if the PTI people are happy, then you are definitely seeing problems in the government.
07:02But the government is hiding its problems in such a way that they are giving the impression that
07:07if there is pressure from America for Imran Khan, then it will be very beneficial for us.
07:13Then we will say that he used to say that we are not anyone's slaves.
07:18But now they are pressurizing us from America.
07:21So the government is taking precautionary measures and is in panic.
07:26And the advice that is being given by Naseem Sahiba,
07:29that if the government refuses, then she can become a political martyr.
07:34She can also lose her life in her political speeches.
07:37So do you think that she has started it from now?
07:40I have seen that she is so aggressive that actually,
07:42the Minister of Defense and Rana Sanaullah have said a lot of bad things about Trump.
07:48Although, if you give a political statement, there is a difference.
07:52If you give this statement as a minister, then it can be a diplomatic problem for you.
07:56But anyway, do you think that they are slowly making a narrative from now?
08:01I think, Maria, thank you very much for having me on your show.
08:05First of all, this is something that becomes inevitable.
08:10Because we have seen in Pakistan's politics that a lot of things,
08:15a lot of politics are rhetoric, attacking each other.
08:20The words become more important than actions and policies.
08:24And we are seeing that consistently in a lot of cases.
08:27In the same way, we are seeing that PTI was very proactively focused on this matter,
08:35that when Trump comes in, then we will benefit from it.
08:39And we saw that I had spoken to people there in America,
08:43that 6-7 months ago, the Diaspora was 95% if not 99% pro-Imran.
08:52And they worked very systematically on this 7-8 months ago,
08:57when they had a sense that the Democrats would not do it.
09:00Biden was in front of everyone.
09:02Then they made a systematic contribution wherever it was possible for them.
09:10Then they gained access to Donald Trump.
09:14And a video is going on, I don't know if you have seen it or not,
09:17where Donald Trump is in contact with Imran Khan for two years.
09:23In fact, you will see that a few days ago in a video,
09:28he is asking someone that Imran Khan, what about Imran Khan?
09:32So he is being told that this is the case.
09:34So this was a very clear evidence that he is going into an IOU relationship with Trump.
09:42You help us.
09:43Now the question arises that how much help can be done in this?
09:47So now when Trump has come to power,
09:49and there is embarrassment on Trump anyway,
09:52because you know that a lot of statements have also come that
09:55Trump had become a negative word with Pakistan.
09:59And Imran was being associated with him.
10:02So that is also a factor.
10:05Secondly, this is happening in every show.
10:09So the government has to answer and also preempt.
10:13So I think the real thing to see is what Trump does.
10:18This discussion will continue that who is America's friend,
10:22who is America's enemy, who is a traitor, who is not.
10:25You don't see that they say that Imran Khan is a Zionist agent.
10:29And Hamid and I were there when Imran Khan repeatedly said that you don't have to recognize.
10:34So this keeps going on in our house.
10:37And I think all the politicians also have an idea that in the campaign mood,
10:41for different audiences, what kind of messaging you are doing.
10:44So they don't take everything personally and seriously.
10:47Everyone knows how Pakistan's politics works.
10:52Mr. Mir, this will be a very interesting aspect.
10:55The government is obviously with Pakistani Trump Imran Khan,
10:58which we know about the PMLN and People's Party.
11:01But how will they maintain a relationship with the original Trump?
11:05The question is personal relations versus diplomatic relations.
11:09Because the government is also insisting on this a lot that states have relations.
11:14How much are they connected to personal relations?
11:17How much impact do personal relations have on state affairs and diplomatic affairs?
11:22If we can find an example from the past and explain it.
11:27Look, it is true that in a country like America,
11:34the state policy of changing governments does not change much.
11:40But you see, when Trump became the President of America,
11:46he took a stand on some issues.
11:49You must remember that in the beginning, Imran Khan also used to say very negative things about him.
11:58I remember, I had an interview with Imran Khan,
12:01in which he compared Nawaz Sharif with Trump.
12:04He said that Nawaz Sharif and Trump are the same kind of people.
12:07They are businessmen and bring their families into politics.
12:12Then he was the same Trump.
12:14As President of the United States of America,
12:17he put a blame on the state of Pakistan.
12:20That there is no accountability for our aid that we gave to Pakistan.
12:24Imran Khan gave a very harsh answer to that.
12:27So there was a time when Trump,
12:30was putting forward the state policy of the United States of America and criticizing Pakistan.
12:38But then when Imran Khan and Trump got in touch,
12:42some people got involved and then they met.
12:45And then he facilitated Trump.
12:47Imran Khan, as Prime Minister, facilitated for the Doha Agreement.
12:51The negotiations that took place with the Afghan Taliban in America,
12:56Imran Khan played a big role in making them successful.
13:00And I remember very well that in those days,
13:03the Army Chiefs of that time, General Qamar Javed Bajwa and DG ISI General Faiz Hamid,
13:08they were not so optimistic about the negotiations with the Afghan Taliban in America.
13:13So Imran Khan insisted them.
13:16And Imran Khan himself used his connections with the Afghan Taliban.
13:21And forced them to make the Doha Agreement with America.
13:25And later Trump left, but America benefited from it and also suffered a loss.
13:31So there were fewer direct meetings between Trump and Imran Khan.
13:36But they had a personal rapport.
13:40So I think that same personal rapport,
13:43some people have an idea of the current government of Pakistan.
13:50And another thing is that,
13:54in the last few days and in the coming few days,
13:58there are some foreign personalities coming to Pakistan,
14:03who will talk to the state of Pakistan,
14:06that you have signed some international conventions,
14:10there are at least 27 international conventions.
14:13So the violations of human rights in Pakistan,
14:17and the parliament is being raised against them,
14:20whatever is happening with their families,
14:22this is in my personal knowledge,
14:24that what all things have happened with which people,
14:27and in the coming days,
14:29the next week is going to start,
14:31from Monday,
14:32so many more delegations are coming to Pakistan,
14:35so whether the government agrees or not,
14:38there will be pressure on it,
14:40and not just on the violations of human rights,
14:43the pressure can come from the IMF as well.
14:46This is an interesting point.
14:48I am not in favour of any foreign pressure on the state of Pakistan,
15:01I am against it.
15:03But if the state of Pakistan,
15:05while violating its own constitution,
15:07will violate human rights,
15:09and ask the international institutions to help us,
15:13and the international conventions that you have signed,
15:17and you are violating the international conventions,
15:20and you expect that no one will ask you,
15:23this is not possible.
15:24So the next week is very important for this government.
15:27You are saying that it is important,
15:29but during this time,
15:30in the last month,
15:31the government,
15:32I will not say the government,
15:34what space the government has to gain,
15:37but overall,
15:38Muktadara has gained a lot of space.
15:41So that is comfortable.
15:43Even if there is pressure,
15:45a lot of work has been done.
15:48And then,
15:49does personal rapport overcome diplomatic relations?
15:55We saw that this happened in 1998,
15:58when Nawaz Sharif's relations,
16:00with the Sabaran of Baruni Mawalik,
16:02they worked.
16:03Khan Sahib has a lot of work,
16:05but very few,
16:06I think,
16:07if anyone is going to know about him,
16:09he is in power.
16:10Otherwise,
16:11he has no such relations anywhere else.
16:13So,
16:14does this overpower the state affairs?
16:18Yes,
16:19I think,
16:20it depends on what is happening in America,
16:25to what extent the Pakistani P-PAC has been made,
16:28these people have been mobilized,
16:30to what extent they get,
16:34you know,
16:35linked to Trump,
16:37and who appoints whom.
16:41Because,
16:42if such people will be appointed,
16:45now you saw that,
16:46another interesting thing,
16:48we saw that,
16:49Mr. Tardar,
16:50who was Trump's spokesman,
16:51he used to come and say on every channel,
16:54it was a very unusual thing,
16:56everyone used to ask him,
16:57Imran Khan,
16:58they used to say,
16:59Imran Khan is not Trump's uncle's son,
17:02Imran,
17:03this is not the politics of Bhatti Gate,
17:05so,
17:06he used to come and very actively,
17:08I think,
17:09it was a big coincidence,
17:11that he used to actively come and say on every channel,
17:13that there will be no relation with Imran,
17:15Trump got,
17:16Trump is not going to focus on this,
17:18but,
17:19what you mentioned about Clinton,
17:21his Bill Clinton,
17:22and Mr. Nawaz Sharif,
17:23the relation,
17:24the relationship,
17:25and how other countries,
17:27Lebanon,
17:28Saudi Arabia,
17:29got involved,
17:30we are not seeing that,
17:32but,
17:33this,
17:34I don't put it past possibility,
17:36that,
17:37Donald Trump,
17:38from his state department,
17:39from some level,
17:40says to a person,
17:41to get involved,
17:42but,
17:43what Hamid is saying,
17:44that,
17:45people will come,
17:46people will put pressure,
17:47so,
17:48in that,
17:49regarding Imran Khan,
17:50you see,
17:51with PTI people,
17:53with their family,
17:55on and off,
17:56we are seeing,
17:57these things can also be raised,
17:59and,
18:00in that,
18:01regarding Imran Khan,
18:02the matters,
18:03that have to be taken out of jail,
18:05I think,
18:06that,
18:07what you are saying,
18:09that,
18:10the matters of the state,
18:12the government,
18:13to what extent,
18:14does it impact the personnel,
18:16I think,
18:17we don't have a complete idea of this,
18:19Maria,
18:20that,
18:21Trump,
18:22who is,
18:23becoming the President,
18:25he is,
18:26unprecedentedly powerful,
18:28he doesn't have,
18:29Congress,
18:30Congress,
18:31or,
18:32Senate,
18:33Executive,
18:34apart from that,
18:35Trump's personality,
18:37Trump,
18:38is very,
18:39unusual,
18:40Trump,
18:41is going to be,
18:42like an Emperor,
18:43you remember,
18:44that,
18:45he won't be common,
18:46the President,
18:47the American establishment,
18:48his,
18:49many,
18:50patterns,
18:51of working,
18:52the policy preferences,
18:53he overturned them,
18:54you see,
18:55his way,
18:56deep stage,
18:57deep stages,
18:58he tried not to become that,
18:59and it's interesting,
19:01a few days back,
19:03we said,
19:04he would become,
19:05Trump,
19:06I received,
19:07so many phone messages,
19:08they said,
19:09you don't understand,
19:10American establishment is against him,
19:12he cannot become,
19:13I mean to say,
19:15he is the person,
19:16who,
19:17destroyed the establishment,
19:18like,
19:19the pillar would get votes,
19:21Trump became a pillar,
19:22like,
19:23the Pakistani politicians,
19:24so,
19:25I think,
19:26If they are mobilized and the Pakistani community is active, I think Trump will pick up the
19:34Imran Khan factor.
19:35As you can see, they are not going to put pressure on him by picking up this factor.
19:40I think they will go towards negotiations less than the pressure.
19:45And now this matter has not come, so before that, we saw that Mr. Sajid Tariq was told
19:50to go and talk there.
19:52So Amir sahib, what is the situation with you right now?
19:55If we look at it, the government in the Supreme Court has succeeded in its assignment.
20:00Whatever legislation had to be made in relation to next year, that too was done on behalf of the government.
20:04Now Imran Khan is in jail, so for a few weeks now, there is pressure from outside for the
20:10government, but domestically, things are under control.
20:14The opposition may not be in such a mood immediately to take any action or to give any tough time.
20:23If you remember, such questions were asked to me in 2021 and 2022 when Imran Khan was
20:30Prime Minister.
20:31When such questions were asked to me in different shows, I used to tell them that brother, you
20:37are right, the opposition is very weak.
20:40Nawaz Sharif is sitting outside Pakistan and only Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman has control over
20:46Pakistan, but Imran Khan himself is the biggest threat to Imran Khan.
20:51So I think the situation is the same, and you can see that the opposition is very weak.
20:58After the 26th Annual Reformation, the government's feet have become very strong.
21:02Today, Prime Minister Shahbaz Sharif has also announced many relief packages.
21:08But we also know the situation in the government right now, and I think the biggest threat to
21:15this government is the government itself.
21:18The power struggle that is going on in the Muslim League, which was not there before,
21:27but now it has become very clear, the opposition can benefit from that power struggle.
21:34And the meeting that is taking place in Swabi on 9th November, let's see what Tariq-e-Insaf
21:39announces.
21:40And the announcement will depend on the government's next policy, what will it do, will it crack
21:50down further, if Tariq-e-Insaf tries to bring people on the streets and the government
21:56cracks down, so as I mentioned earlier, there are some international powers, not only America
22:05but many other countries are also involved, so they are also keeping an eye on it, and
22:09human rights violations are very important for them, so it will be a big problem for the
22:14government.
22:16Then the judiciary is fine, now a constitutional bench has also been formed, but today the
22:21Judicial Commission meeting and the press release that has been released, you can see
22:26that the complaints of the judges of Islamabad High Court have also been decided to be re-evaluated.
22:34So, with the 26th amendment, the government has succeeded in giving its impression that
22:41everything is under their control, but the developments that are going to happen from
22:46next week, I feel that there are many tests for Tariq-e-Insaf as well as for the government.
22:53Yes, Naseem Sahiba, do you agree with the fact that the government should not be pressurised
23:00by the opposition, is there any danger from the opposition, is there any chance of getting
23:04a tough time, can the Tariq-e-Insaf announce such a street movement that the government
23:08gets into trouble?
23:10Yes, the assumption is that the Tariq-e-Insaf, when we talk to the people of Tariq-e-Insaf,
23:19I feel that they do not have clarity within themselves, street power as an instrument
23:26for change or pressure on the government, I do not see that.
23:30Right, thank you very much Naseem Zehra Sahiba, Hamid Mir Sahab, the programme was with us
23:34in this segment, we will go to the break when we come back.
23:36The government is going to impose a tax on the salaried class, it is possible, the finance
23:42minister himself has said this.
23:44On one hand, this is the situation, on the other hand, what are the government's priorities?
23:48We will show you this as well, stay with us after the break.
23:50On the political front, if we look at this month from the prism of the government, it
23:56is better for them because they have strengthened their grip on a lot of things politically,
24:02especially after the 26th amendment and other legislation, the government seems to be comfortable
24:08but the issue of the economy, there are more big threats and big challenges that are emerging
24:15in the context of the tax collection, as expected, the government is not able to meet
24:21all the targets that it has set for itself.
24:25Then what will happen after that?
24:27After that, if the government has to impose a tax on the salaried class, then the government
24:31will impose more taxes.
24:33Who said this?
24:35This is what Wazir-e-Khazana Aurangzeb Sahab said two days ago while addressing an event.
24:39If we cannot increase these tax revenues this time, what choice do we have?
24:43What choice do we have?
24:45Going back to the same for more?
24:47Salaried class and manufacturing sector, right?
24:49It's not sustainable anymore.
24:51So the choice is that you impose this tax on the salaried class, but he is saying that
24:55this is also not a choice.
24:57Then what is the second choice?
24:59The second choice is to bring a mini-budget, i.e. the things that you are already spending
25:03so much on, in which you are giving prices on inflated prices, that should be increased
25:09further.
25:11Mr. Umar Ayub also hinted at this.
25:13The targets that the IMF is not fulfilling, I said on 17th September that they will not
25:17be able to fulfil them in the Finance Committee meeting.
25:21And this government is lying and they are bringing the target of a mini-budget.
25:25They will have to bring a mini-budget.
25:27We condemn this.
25:29There is a flood of inflation in the country that is out of their control.
25:33There is unrest in the country that is not under the control of this government at all.
25:37In this regard, Mr. Mehta Baidar has also made a story in the news today and he says
25:41that the FBI is facing a shortage of Rs. 190 billion in revenue in the first four months
25:45of the current financial year.
25:47According to Zarai, the IMF has instructed Pakistan to bring a mini-budget of Rs. 500
25:53billion to meet the shortage of tax revenues.
25:55According to Zarai, the government has two options to meet the IMF target.
25:59The first option is to reduce the government's expenses.
26:03The second option is to bring a mini-budget to meet the shortfall of Rs. 190 billion.
26:09In order to assess the budget and economic activity, under the leadership of IMF Mission
26:13Nathan Porter, they will negotiate with the Pakistani government from 11th to 15th November.
26:17After which the government of Pakistan will take its next step.
26:21There is no money.
26:23We are not able to meet our commitments in terms of our tax revenues.
26:27We have to answer a lot of questions to the IMF.
26:31But what are we doing during this time?
26:35We have increased the number of judges from 17 to 34.
26:39The government says that there is an upper ceiling.
26:43It will not be this much, but it will be below 34.
26:47But we are increasing the number of judges.
26:49If you have a lot of regular cases, you have increased the number of judges.
26:53The matter did not stop here.
26:55After that, we saw that the government has increased the allowance of judges.
26:59According to the law and justice notification,
27:03in the house rent and judicial allowance given to the judges of the Supreme Court,
27:07an increase of Rs 10 lakh has been made.
27:09The house rent has been increased.
27:11The monthly increase of Rs 2,82,000 has been increased from Rs 68,000 to Rs 3,50,000.
27:15In the judicial allowance of the judges of the Supreme Court,
27:19the monthly increase of Rs 7 lakh has been increased from Rs 3 lakh to Rs 10 lakh.
27:23The first option is that the government should reduce its expenses.
27:27That is out of question.
27:29If you want to run such a dispensation,
27:31then you have to keep a place for everyone.
27:33We are seeing that the government will not reduce its expenses,
27:37but the second option is the mini-budget.
27:39Mr. Shahbaz Rana is with us.
27:41Thank you very much for joining us, Mr. Shahbaz.
27:43What we are talking about is the option of the minister of treasury.
27:47It is not serious, is it?
27:49Won't you impose more taxes on us, on the people with salary?
27:53In the name of Allah, most Gracious, most Merciful.
27:57Thank you very much.
27:59I think the context in which the finance minister has spoken is that
28:03how much burden will we put on the people with salary and the rest of the manufacturing sector.
28:09We are already putting a lot of burden on them.
28:11Then they will go back and say that we have no option.
28:15They are talking in the context that they have been doing since June.
28:19But I will say two things here.
28:21It was the first budget press conference and I asked the minister of treasury
28:25that you have imposed such heavy taxes on Pakistan for the first time.
28:29Despite this, will you give us a guarantee that the mini-budget will not come?
28:33The finance minister reacted bitterly.
28:35That is on the record.
28:37He was upset with you.
28:39He was upset.
28:41But now the situation is in front of everyone.
28:47You asked if this is happening with the salary-paying class.
28:51Salary-paying people take two types of salaries.
28:55One is their monthly income.
28:57The other is contract-based salary.
29:01It comes under the category of service providers.
29:03They may not be able to increase your salary directly on a monthly basis.
29:09But on the provision of professional services,
29:13the rate of income tax is 11%.
29:15It can be 12%.
29:17That is not out of the question.
29:19This is the double rate of non-filer.
29:23So this is one thing.
29:25And all the steps of the mini-budget,
29:27there are at least 5-6 steps.
29:29This is the document released by the IMF.
29:33After the approval of the board,
29:35what has been given in it?
29:37There is a formula to destroy the economy.
29:42The first formula is that
29:44the raw material importer is an industrialist.
29:48The raw material importer is doing it to make cheese.
29:52On top of that, increase the rate of advance income tax by 1%.
29:54This is not a budget proposal.
29:56Countries run on such proposals.
29:58The second proposal is that
30:00the industrialist who imports machinery
30:02should increase the rate of tax on it by 1%.
30:06The third proposal is that
30:08increase the rate of income tax
30:10on the contract based service providers.
30:12The fourth proposal is that
30:14you should put a good FED on the raw material.
30:16All the governments will have to implement
30:18this type of proposal.
30:20The problem is that
30:22the powerful people in this country
30:24who have the shattered power
30:26get out on the streets.
30:28And our government,
30:30which considers itself to be a very strong government,
30:32which says that
30:34we have all kinds of support,
30:36cannot stand in front
30:38of the commercial community.
30:40The goal of the three-month IMF
30:42is to collect 10 lakh rupees
30:44from the commercial scheme.
30:46I have reported that
30:48the FED has not challenged
30:50and the government has not done it.
30:52In three months,
30:54hardly 10 lakh rupees have been collected.
30:5699.99% of them have missed
30:58their goal of collecting tax from the merchants.
31:00Now let's come to the competition.
31:02The TANKHADAR group
31:04has given a tax of 111 lakh rupees
31:06which is 56% higher than the previous financial year.
31:08These are the figures.
31:10They are shouting that
31:12the government's policies are wrong.
31:14We had told you
31:16that this budget is wrong
31:18and it will not be achieved.
31:20We had told you that
31:22the kind of deal that has been negotiated
31:24cannot go ahead.
31:26This is an unrealistic deal.
31:28What is the IMF report coming next week?
31:30What is it coming to review?
31:32What are the issues to be discussed?
31:36The delegation
31:38from 11th to 15th November
31:40was not in the schedule.
31:42The IMF document
31:44which I am referring again and again
31:46so that people who are watching
31:48can read it.
31:50The document is available on the
31:52IMF website.
31:54It is written that
31:56the first review mission of the program
31:58will come to Pakistan
32:00on 15th March 2025
32:02which means that
32:04the IMF mission should come to Pakistan
32:06around February.
32:08The developments in the first three months
32:10especially the IMF program
32:12were approved on 25th September.
32:14In light of those developments,
32:16the target of tax revenue
32:18for three months was 90 lakh rupees
32:20and for four months it was 190 lakh rupees.
32:22This will not stop.
32:24The traders had to take 10 lakh rupees
32:26but they took 10 lakh rupees.
32:28The four provincial governments
32:30had to give provincial cash surplus
32:32of around 342 lakh rupees.
32:34Punjab was at a loss
32:36as per the Wazab-e-Khazana.
32:38The summary of Wazab-e-Khazana
32:40has been released.
32:42Punjab was at a loss of 160 lakh rupees.
32:44The provincial cash surplus
32:46was not achieved.
32:48Although Azma Bukhari
32:50said that our numbers are fine.
32:52Azma Bukhari knows
32:54and the IMF knows.
32:56We did not give our numbers.
32:58On 30th September,
33:00Punjab had to sign
33:02the National Fiscal Pact
33:04in which some of the expenses
33:06had to go to the provinces.
33:08The Pact was signed
33:10but it was diluted.
33:12What was taken out
33:14and what was kept?
33:16The expenses of education
33:18were ready to go to the provinces.
33:20There were two other big expenses
33:22which included the Social Protection Program
33:24i.e. the Benazir Income Support Program.
33:26It is worth 600 lakh rupees this year.
33:28It was also said that it will go to the provinces
33:30but it is not included.
33:32Another thing was that
33:34the development schemes
33:36will be transferred to the provinces
33:38but with the consent
33:40of the National Economic Council.
33:42Another thing was
33:44that the size of the government
33:46will be reduced.
33:48You were talking about the expenses
33:50and the judges.
33:52The National Fiscal Pact
33:54was included for the rightsising.
33:56Will the Council of Common Interest
33:58or the National Economic Council
34:00approve it?
34:02It is difficult to get
34:04the consensus of all four governments.
34:06The problem is not with Khaybar Pakhtunkhwan
34:08but with Sindh and Punjab.
34:10This is a very interesting thing
34:12that you told us.
34:14Thank you for being with us.
34:16This is an unusual time
34:18according to Mr. Shahbaz.
34:20I don't know what will be discussed
34:22and discussed there.
34:24The IMF has repeatedly emphasized
34:26that the size of the government
34:28should be reduced
34:30and the government should reduce
34:32its own bill.
34:34When a coalition government
34:36stands on weak feet
34:38then different stakeholders
34:40have to be obliged
34:42and incentivized
34:44and that is not possible
34:46by cutting the budget.
34:48The government has already cut
34:50the budget.
34:52There is no threat
34:54to the government financially
34:56and economically.
34:58We will come back
35:00to the legacy media
35:02that played a role
35:04in the Pakistan election
35:06and now in the US election.
35:08There are many important questions
35:10that the media has to
35:12introspect and answer.
35:14We will come back after the break
35:16What a strange thing
35:18that the president of the oldest
35:20democracy in the world
35:22whose history is more than
35:24200 years old
35:26is a convict.
35:28The story of Donald Trump
35:30is very unique.
35:32The story of the victory
35:34of the 9th president
35:36of the United States
35:38has so many twists and turns
35:40that a Hollywood script
35:42can be made on it.
35:45Donald Trump
35:47started his second presidential campaign
35:49with a series of accusations
35:51and cases.
35:53He was accused of
35:55inciting people
35:57to attack Capitol Hill
35:59on 6th January 2021
36:01when he did not accept
36:03the results of 2020 elections.
36:05Trump was found guilty
36:07of 34 serious crimes
36:09in New York
36:11when he paid
36:13a fine
36:15and was accused
36:17of defamation
36:19and fraud in his business.
36:21His name was
36:23Carol Regine.
36:25On 20th December 2021
36:27the state of Colorado
36:29banned Trump
36:31on 6th January 2021
36:33under section 3 of the 14th amendment
36:35which prohibited him
36:37from participating
36:39in the state elections
36:41and the state of Maine
36:43also banned Trump.
36:45But on 4th March 2021
36:47the 9 judges of the US Supreme Court
36:49unanimously decided
36:51that US states cannot stop Donald Trump
36:53from becoming the nominee
36:55and gave him the right
36:57to contest the elections.
36:59In this decision, the Supreme Court said
37:01that it was wrongly assumed
37:03that the state can decide
37:05that the nominee
37:07or other nominee
37:09is not eligible to contest the elections.
37:11The US Supreme Court also said
37:13that it is the job of Congress
37:15not the states
37:17to enforce such laws
37:19against the nominees.
37:21Not only the cases
37:23but Donald Trump
37:25has been safe from 2 murderous attacks
37:27and is now the nominee.
37:29On 5th November 2021
37:31Trump's victory is a proof
37:33that the US people are not worried
37:35and have given Trump
37:37the right to contest the elections.
37:39Not only this
37:41but it is also being said
37:43that this is the death
37:45of the traditional media.
37:47All polls, election surveys
37:49and newspapers
37:51have failed to estimate
37:53Trump's margin of victory.
37:55The US media
37:57has been introspecting
37:59and asking questions
38:01and apologizing
38:03that they were not able
38:05to win the election
38:07with such a large margin.
38:09According to an article
38:11by CNN,
38:13Kamala Harris' defeat
38:15is raising questions
38:17on the media,
38:19the public and the audience.
38:21According to a comment
38:23the Federalist's focus
38:25was not on Trump
38:27but on the Corporate Media Industrial Complex
38:29which is the biggest loser
38:31of 2024.
38:33The podcaster Matt Walsh
38:35wrote on X
38:37that the traditional media
38:39is dead
38:41because it has lost
38:43its ability to narrate.
38:45According to a comment
38:47if half of the country
38:49has decided that Trump
38:51is eligible to be president
38:53it means he is not
38:55reading the media
38:57and we have lost our audience.
38:59According to another comment
39:01we have to find out
39:03how to understand
39:05and listen to more than
39:07half of the people
39:09who are saying
39:11it is enough.
39:13Who made the statement?
39:15Who impacted the US election?
39:17The social media
39:19has made a difference
39:21and if we say
39:23that the social media
39:25has made Trump win the US election
39:27then it is not wrong.
39:29Tell me who played
39:31a key role in this?
39:33His son, Barron Trump
39:35is an 18 year old boy
39:37and he told his father
39:39which podcasts
39:41he should watch
39:43and which topics
39:45he should talk about
39:47and which people
39:49he should interview.
39:51This 18 year old boy
39:53played a key role
39:55in his father's social media campaign.
39:57All political parties
39:59will have to react to this.
40:01The legacy media
40:03was saddened by the fact
40:05that they were
40:07disconnected from the public.
40:09We have seen this floating
40:11that social media should
40:13be controlled or shut down.
40:15It would help if we could regulate social media
40:17because one of the biggest offenders is
40:19DC and Congress have not been able to do one thing
40:21in regard to the rogue
40:23corporations