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00:00They all leave while they're still selling us smoke.
00:02What?
00:03They all leave.
00:05All of them?
00:06That's how they are, with their bags.
00:09It's heavy.
00:10But...
00:11Three months in jail.
00:12But...
00:13They open the door and leave.
00:14I don't know what you're talking about.
00:16Causa Logan.
00:17Ah, because they all leave.
00:19You see how they are.
00:20They're all together.
00:21Good thing you're paying attention.
00:22Good thing you're paying attention.
00:23Always.
00:24Because while they sell you one thing,
00:26something else actually happens.
00:28While they sell you bombs and plates
00:31that Kodassi, finally, after 400 days,
00:34is going to declare, and it looks like it's the revelation...
00:38To an inquiry.
00:39To an inquiry.
00:40To an inquiry.
00:41Not a testimony.
00:42It's an indictment.
00:43An indictment.
00:44He can be arrested, right?
00:45Yes.
00:46If he doesn't close what he says, he can be arrested.
00:48But while they all sell you that, what's going to happen in the end?
00:50He's not going to be arrested.
00:51Nothing.
00:52He's going to lie the way he knows how to lie.
00:54He's not going to be arrested because you...
00:56When you go to an inquiry,
00:58it doesn't mean that at the end of the inquiry
01:00they hook you up and...
01:02No, it's going to be...
01:05It's going to happen on the street.
01:06He's going to tell what he told here.
01:08That he was going to go in a group,
01:10but he happens to have a neighbor, a senator,
01:12who offered him the car, who was a driver,
01:14because he doesn't drive well,
01:16and the senator told him,
01:17no, he's not that good, but he knows how to drive.
01:20He said, let me lend you the car,
01:22we'll take it to Audelina,
01:24the commissioner Rodríguez...
01:25I'll get you a driver.
01:26General Rodríguez...
01:27I'll get you a driver.
01:28Well, all the things we already know they're going to say.
01:30While everyone is talking about that,
01:32what is the reality?
01:33This.
01:34What?
01:35A request for...
01:36This.
01:37Ah.
01:38A request for oversight for two of the defendants,
01:41and if two ask, the rest comes afterwards.
01:44Yes.
01:45Ramírez and Miyapi,
01:46their lawyers,
01:47Monty and Hanson,
01:49have just made the request for oversight,
01:53or in their defense,
01:55lack of merit.
01:56If it's oversight,
01:57they're totally disconnected from the cause.
01:59They're not going to give anyone oversight?
02:01If it's lack of merit,
02:02they're still being investigated,
02:03but they're waiting at home.
02:05They tell me,
02:06if they're both exiled,
02:08and they're told they're lacking merit,
02:10it's better said,
02:11Benítez comes afterwards.
02:13Remember,
02:14the three who were at the orange grove
02:16when the gold disappears.
02:18I don't think
02:21they're going to give anyone oversight,
02:24under no circumstances,
02:28because it's a media question.
02:31We've already said four.
02:32Don't worry.
02:33Good.
02:35They're not going to oversight anyone,
02:38not because they have evidence,
02:40but because it's a very media question,
02:44and they're not going to say,
02:46sign the oversight of the person.
02:50They're going to throw away the lack of merit,
02:52because there isn't much,
02:55at least for Comishapi and Ramírez,
02:59and they'll probably go through the process
03:01in freedom.
03:03The process in freedom.
03:04Then, on the day of the oral trial,
03:07we'll see
03:09what a court decides,
03:11which isn't going to be Dr. Posser Benson,
03:13or these prosecutors.
03:15It's going to be other judges.
03:18And that's when they're going to say,
03:20the cars, were they faulty or not?
03:23Bye, the smell test, out.
03:26The cell phones, the cell phones.
03:29Oh, no, what happens is that Rodríguez
03:31accidentally opened it by accident,
03:33played it, I don't know what happened.
03:35Out, too, the cell phones.
03:37That is, a lot of nullities are going to appear,
03:41or nullity claims,
03:43which, in an oral trial, are irresistible.
03:46Let's see, the Chamber or the Court
03:49care very little about what...
03:51Not very little.
03:52Let's say, they do their job,
03:55and there, Judge Posser Benson,
03:57or the judge who is now,
03:59or the prosecutors,
04:01it's not that they buy what they said.
04:03If the evidence isn't there,
04:05boy, there's nothing here.
04:07And there's a concern,
04:08something outrageous, I think.
04:10It's okay, one understands
04:11that there has to be a certain reserve
04:13when there is essential evidence.
04:15But there is a cause that opened
04:17by filtering information
04:19related to the cause.
04:22What relevant information, really,
04:24we gave in this program.
04:26They keep selling smoke and putting the energy
04:30where it doesn't lead anywhere.
04:34They put the focus on places
04:35that don't lead anywhere.
04:37What can Kodak do in the worst case?
04:40I lied to my client, Audrina.
04:43How can you say that?
04:44Let's see, what I'm going to say is easy.
04:47I was moved.
04:49I was moved.
04:51Poor woman,
04:53with her daughter, with Macarena,
04:55poor people suffering,
04:57children suffering.
04:59I made myself available and took her.
05:01And she told me,
05:02she told me about the accident.
05:03And here, and here,
05:05the judges work at dawn,
05:08because the prosecutors are
05:09prosecutors who contemplate
05:13the problems of society,
05:15they attend at any time.
05:17So we went to this place,
05:19she telling me everything that was happening.
05:22I believed her.
05:23General Rodríguez received me.
05:25In fact, of course.
05:26What else do you want, Judge?
05:29What else do you want?
05:30That a high-ranking official
05:31is working.
05:32And you know what happens?
05:33High, I like this,
05:34all the verse,
05:35at high hours in the morning,
05:37when he could be with his family,
05:39however,
05:40a man committed to public service
05:42who was there to...
05:44And you know what the issue is?
05:45That in the indictment,
05:47the defendant
05:50can not testify against himself.
05:52That is,
05:53it is the first act of defense
05:55that has a defendant,
05:57the indictment.
05:58That is, he can not,
05:59that is, he will never tell you,
06:00or they will tell you yes,
06:02but in your first act of defense,
06:05you are going to accommodate the play
06:06as it serves you.
06:08And you can not say,
06:09ah, false testimony.
06:10Obviously,
06:11you can...
06:12If they had called him at the time
06:14to testify,
06:16you in the testimony,
06:17stop him and say,
06:18so far, gentleman,
06:19do not talk anymore,
06:21from this moment on,
06:22we are going to pass the indictment,
06:24the official defender is notified,
06:25he has a private defender,
06:26that sarasa sarasa,
06:28and it is seen.
06:29Why?
06:30Because there was a contradiction in this,
06:31in this, in this,
06:32of testimony and indictment.
06:34But so direct inquiry.
06:36More than three months ago,
06:38the episode happened,
06:40look if he did not have time,
06:42to think a quarter,
06:43both him and Rodríguez,
06:46like him,
06:47I say,
06:48agree with the Attorney General
06:51of Currents,
06:52just to,
06:53well,
06:54give a version
06:55that does not compromise them.
06:57Why now and not before?
07:00I ask,
07:01I ask the question again,
07:02not because
07:04nothing against the health
07:05of Dr. Posarpenso,
07:06that recovers soon,
07:08but what a coincidence,
07:10when another judge subrogates her,
07:11in this case,
07:12a judge who,
07:13as they tell me,
07:14responds to another political line,
07:16or is aligned
07:17with the former Colombian governor,
07:19well,
07:20decides to advance.
07:21Okay,
07:22but the indictment
07:23was taken by Posarpenso, right?
07:25By decision
07:27of another judge.
07:28No, no,
07:29here it is all like this,
07:30stop,
07:31I'm talking,
07:32outside the camera,
07:33stop.
07:34Yes,
07:35what happened,
07:36teacher?
07:37My left,
07:38here I'm fine?
07:39A lot of iron,
07:40but no television.
07:41There we are,
07:42a little more.
07:43There it is.
07:44Do you want me to take a shot
07:45or do I leave?
07:46Sure?
07:47A lot of biceps,
07:48a lot of triceps,
07:49I can't move my arms.
07:50You can't move your arms.
07:51No,
07:52if I'm already made of wood,
07:53imagine,
07:54of steel.
07:55I was telling you,
07:56the one who is going to take the indictment
07:57is Posarpenso,
07:58right?
07:59Yes.
08:00No, no,
08:01no, no,
08:02no,
08:03no,
08:04because
08:05the magistrate
08:06could have resisted.
08:08I think he can resist,
08:09or not,
08:10I don't know.
08:11Yes,
08:12some expect
08:13that there will be a twist in the case,
08:15not on Monday.
08:16What comes back,
08:17the ANT?
08:18Of course not.
08:19Ah, then the same.
08:20I'm sorry to tell you
08:21that this man
08:22that we see on the screen,
08:23this,
08:24Kodasi,
08:25the famous lawyer
08:26of Cositorto,
08:27I don't know if he closed at the end.
08:28Let's talk to Rafa Palacios
08:29to see if he has information.
08:30I know he has
08:31first-hand information.
08:33This man
08:34is not going to say anything.
08:36I think he's going to say,
08:37but...
08:38Nothing that compromises him,
08:39right?
08:40Nothing that compromises anyone.
08:41Let's see,
08:42I think
08:43what he's going to say
08:45is,
08:46look,
08:47I wasn't in the case,
08:48I had no idea,
08:50when I found out,
08:51what Audelina tells me,
08:53is that there was an accident,
08:55that a child was run over
08:56with a truck,
08:59and he's going to keep
09:01that statement.
09:02He's not going to say,
09:03hey,
09:05I made it up.
09:07Obviously,
09:08he's not going to say that.
09:09I don't know if it happened or not,
09:10it doesn't matter.
09:11He's not going to say that.
09:12What he's going to do
09:13in the investigation
09:15is take responsibility
09:17directly to Audelina.
09:19I accompanied a person
09:20who wanted to report.
09:21Period.
09:23Do you think we should read the version?
09:24Yes, of course.
09:25The statement of the case
09:27or the theory of the case,
09:28rather,
09:31what Hanson and Monti,
09:34based on the testimony
09:35of Ramirez and Mishapi,
09:38happened on June 13,
09:40the day of the lunch,
09:42because they present
09:43the theory of the case,
09:44they give their version
09:45of the facts,
09:46speaking badly and promptly,
09:48and then they ask for
09:49an oversight.
09:50Basically,
09:51to say,
09:52my clients were
09:53in this place,
09:54they fulfilled
09:55a certain function
09:56and in no way
09:58they had to do
09:59with the disappearance
10:00of Lohan.
10:02They were all,
10:03the eleven diners,
10:04they were,
10:05if I remember correctly,
10:06and he says,
10:07the supper has already started,
10:08everyone had eaten
10:09that kind of stew
10:10that they served
10:11with noodles, meat
10:13and other vegetables.
10:15The supper has already started
10:17and after some
10:18of the adult women,
10:20we have to read
10:21between the lines here,
10:23to see where
10:24they direct the suspicion,
10:26Hanson and Monti,
10:28we have to say Hanson
10:29up to here,
10:30the most serious lawyer
10:32and for some reason
10:33asks for oversight
10:35or lack of merit
10:36for his clients.
10:38Some adult women
10:40proceeded to lift
10:41the services and their laundry.
10:43Benitez
10:45invites Ramírez
10:46to look for oranges
10:48from the trees
10:49of the Tapera de Caballero,
10:50a neighbor,
10:52what is known today
10:53as the orange orchard,
10:55since according to his sayings
10:56there were a lot
10:57and the objective
10:58was to take them
10:59to consume in the town,
11:00in the end there was
11:01no orange,
11:02not in the orange orchard,
11:03but Benitez
11:04tells Ramírez,
11:05come,
11:06there are a lot
11:07of oranges,
11:08so it is made
11:09from a bag
11:10of white arpillera
11:12to store the fruits
11:13that they would collect,
11:14a bag that never
11:16appeared.
11:18Ramírez responds to this
11:19that it was very full
11:20every time he repeated
11:21the food served
11:22and Ramírez
11:23tells Ramírez
11:24that they had also
11:25eaten tangerines
11:26from the existing trees
11:27in the backyard
11:28of the house
11:29of Grandma Catalina,
11:31there were tangerines
11:32there,
11:33I say,
11:34why are you going
11:35800 meters
11:36to look for oranges
11:38if there were already
11:39tangerines
11:40very close
11:41and you had already
11:42eaten them.
11:43Benitez
11:44goes ahead
11:45to that place
11:46and at the end
11:47of the cleaning
11:48of the services,
11:49Mrs. Millapi
11:50approaches her husband
11:51and tells him
11:52that he would go
11:53where Benitez
11:54invited him,
11:55so Mrs. Millapi
11:56also decides
11:57to accompany him.
12:00When leaving
12:01the side corridor
12:02on the north side
12:03of the house
12:04and already in the previous
12:05building
12:06of the east front
12:07of it,
12:08the boys
12:09who played
12:10in the building
12:11like every child
12:12ask where they were going
12:13and join
12:14the expedition.
12:16This is an important
12:17fact,
12:18because it is not
12:19that neither Benitez
12:20nor Ramírez
12:21nor Millapi
12:22invite the children,
12:23but that the children,
12:24according to the version
12:25of Ramírez and Millapi,
12:26join the group
12:27of adults
12:28by their own motus.
12:29The same thing
12:30Camila Núñez
12:31does
12:32with her younger daughter
12:33and Laudelina Peña,
12:34who does it
12:35with her younger son
12:36Baron
12:37and invites
12:38her nephew
12:39Loan.
12:40Loan's cousin
12:41is the one
12:42who invites him
12:43and not
12:44Laudelina,
12:45right?
12:46For this reason,
12:47Camila Núñez
12:48invites
12:49her nephew
12:50Loan
12:51and not
12:52Laudelina,
12:53right?
12:54To get to the place,
12:55they take as a path
12:56a sand path
12:57existing
12:58on one side
12:59of the neighboring
13:00road
13:01and that leads
13:02east
13:03between the mountain
13:04existing there,
13:05about 300 meters
13:06approximately,
13:07and in the
13:08trench that
13:09exists at the
13:10end,
13:11they find
13:12Ramírez
13:13who asks
13:14Laudelina
13:15where
13:16was the
13:17place
13:18they went to
13:19before
13:20she
13:21was
13:22part
13:23of
13:24a
13:25kidnapping
13:26of
13:27a
13:28boy.
13:29I'm honest
13:30with you.
13:31I don't
13:32believe
13:33any
13:34of that
13:35problem.
13:36I have
13:37a big
13:38problem.
13:39I don't
13:40believe
13:41any of that.
13:42A
13:43virtue problem,
13:44right?
13:45None.
13:46who knows what happened to Loan,
13:48I am 100% convinced that one of those who are at the table,
13:53of all those who are at the table,
13:56one at least knows what happened to Loan.
14:00Not how it ended, but what happened.
14:03Okay?
14:05But I insist again.
14:07I think that in this case
14:11it was more about protecting last names
14:15than looking for a child.
14:18Not looking for a child because it was lost,
14:20but going forward with an investigation
14:23to be able to give, with the material authors,
14:28a kidnapping of a child.
14:32So I think they were worried about that.
14:34Hey, let's cover this, this, this, this,
14:36close this door, this, this, this, this.
14:39And at that time...
14:41And at that time, what happened?
14:45Loan disappeared.
14:46Of course.
14:47And no one found him.
14:48Well, Ramírez's version.
14:49Look, let's go, I'll give you an advance.
14:51Yes.
14:52Let's go to the moment when Loan disappears
14:55from the sight of the elderly, right?
14:57Yes.
14:58We don't know for sure when they caught him.
15:01It says,
15:02Already in the place, in the orange grove,
15:04Ramírez warns and tells Benitez
15:06that there were not as many oranges
15:08as he had anticipated.
15:10Despite this, he begins to lower
15:12those that had been left in the highest part of the plant,
15:15helped by a taquera in his commitment.
15:18It is true, you see that when you take fruit from a tree,
15:21the best are well above.
15:24You don't know that in the coffee plant,
15:26that the monkeys go and grab the fruits of the coffee
15:32that are at the top.
15:34In fact, the most expensive coffee in the world,
15:36I'm going through the branches, but...
15:37Yes, that's why I look at you,
15:38you notice that I have to look at you.
15:40The one that monkeys consume and then defecate.
15:42That is the most expensive coffee in the world
15:44because they are the best fruits, those that are above,
15:46which are the ones that Ramírez went to look for, right?
15:49The children played inside the place
15:51that represented a kind of cave,
15:54of a natural mountain,
15:56and a big tree inside it.
15:58Being there,
15:59soon a call is established
16:01between Ramírez and a sister
16:04related to the health of another intern brother,
16:07as we anticipated.
16:09It is the version that gives about a call
16:12that Ramírez receives while in the orange tree.
16:15Okay, and at the opening of the phone.
16:18Yes.
16:19Does that call exist at that time,
16:21at that moment, in that place?
16:23It exists.
16:24Hanson is not going to give us a clue.
16:26Well, I ask.
16:27Let's see, I repeat.
16:29Bring me facts, okay?
16:32There are plenty of words here.
16:34Facts.
16:35Well, what was my grandma doing?
16:37While Ramírez was talking to a relative
16:40about his brother's health,
16:43she begins to pay attention to that call
16:45and more worried about the way
16:47her husband could react
16:49to any eventual bad news.
16:52And there she clarifies.
16:53That call was at 14.09
16:57and lasted about nine minutes.
17:00At the end of that communication,
17:02Ramírez and Mishapi approach Benítez,
17:04who remained seated in the roots of the giant tree,
17:07and invite him to return
17:09to the action they are undertaking,
17:11and also the younger ones.
17:13To make it clear, Diego,
17:14because if not, this is very long
17:16and people get lost,
17:17and it seems to me that it is not our way of working.
17:21Ramírez and Mishapi,
17:23why did they come to that lunch?
17:26From whom?
17:27Invited by Benítez.
17:28They are friends of Benítez.
17:29They are friends of Benítez.
17:30Or they were, right?
17:32After they finished...
17:33You say, then, let me think.
17:35Yes.
17:36Let's help each other.
17:39That is, do you think that Benítez,
17:41if he had something to do with it,
17:43took them there to...
17:48hinder, so that there would be more people?
17:50Why did he take them?
17:52Why did he take the kids?
17:53To make a fine?
17:54And am I going to be a witness
17:56to an event that is going to happen?
17:58Am I going to be a witness?
18:02It doesn't close, does it?
18:04That's why they ask for an oversight, right?
18:06I repeat.
18:07Okay.
18:08I repeat again.
18:11I think the statement is barbaric,
18:13the oversight,
18:14and if it has nothing to do with it,
18:16justice will leave it out.
18:20But I think that, unfortunately,
18:23this cause is one of those causes,
18:25like so many, so many,
18:27that Argentina had,
18:30that they are more concerned
18:32about covering holes
18:33or not touching people
18:35that should not be touched,
18:37than for the very purpose of the cause.
18:41It's difficult.
18:42I don't trust any of them.
18:44Well, we'll see.
18:45A priori, in a little while
18:46Rafa Palacios will be there
18:47with more information,
18:48surely,
18:49some of the lawyers of the cause.
18:51And on Monday,
18:52CODAS declares,
18:53and in parallel,
18:54this.
18:55Yes.
18:56Do you know why?
18:57Do you know why?