Carlitos enfrenta la posibilidad de un mes de prisión por desobedecer una restricción legal que le impide mencionar a su hermana Zulemita en entrevistas. La situación se complica con la intervención de Dani La Muerte, quien alertó a Zulemita sobre posibles intentos de obtener información sobre sus movimientos. El conflicto plantea preguntas sobre los límites entre la censura y el derecho a contar su propia historia, especialmente cuando involucra a figuras públicas como Zulemita, hija del expresidente Carlos Saúl Menem.
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00:00Finally, for the reason we are talking about today,
00:03the possibility of him ending up in jail for at least a month.
00:06The interview with Chiche Kelly, which was last year.
00:09Exactly, where he names Zulemita.
00:11He couldn't, he already had this restriction to speak there.
00:14And he names her, he can't name Zulemita or anyone around her.
00:18That's where this matter begins, this annoyance.
00:21Because, what happened?
00:23There is something, there is a data that is a bit chilling, we can say.
00:28Zulemita receives, through Dani Díaz, Dani La Muerte,
00:33we all know her as Dani La Muerte,
00:35the information that both Carlitos and his current girlfriend,
00:39this Colombian girl,
00:41had been investigating,
00:43they asked him directly,
00:45do you know Zulemita's movements?
00:47Somehow, to hire Dani La Muerte's services,
00:51so that he can pass information on Zulemita's movements,
00:55Dani La Muerte didn't hesitate for a second to tell Zulemita.
00:59And that scared Zulemita.
01:01Exactly, 7 or 8 months ago,
01:03this cause for harassment and intimidation began.
01:07This is the cause that is now also on the rise.
01:10This is the strongest issue among them.
01:13They add what happened last year with the issue of the restriction,
01:17for him to name her.
01:19And these are the issues that today are putting in doubt
01:22if it will happen or not.
01:24The penalty for breaking the restriction to talk about someone
01:28is not so much.
01:29Let's say a month, two months, three months.
01:32Let's suppose that for this case...
01:34Let's go back to absurd justice.
01:36Yes.
01:37Talking about someone.
01:38Talking about what?
01:39Well, but also about who?
01:41Of course, but what?
01:42About who?
01:43I mean, really,
01:44this is where there is inequality of power.
01:46Without a doubt.
01:47Between Zulemita and Carlitos Nahir.
01:49We are talking about a person who also served a home prison,
01:53where a sentence was given to him, which was an effective prison.
01:56They found him with cocaine, with weapons of war.
01:58It's okay, Carlitos is going to say,
02:00well, it's over, why are you talking about this?
02:02I fulfilled my sentence, it's true.
02:03But it is true that in this family,
02:05we cannot evaluate justice like with any family.
02:09The issues are...
02:10Zulemita, what we know she wants is...
02:12They told her, there is a high probability that it can be a month,
02:16the effective prison, she said no.
02:18Juli, you...
02:19I want at least two months.
02:20Do you know if Zulemita is afraid of the risk of her life?
02:22Because maybe it also happens out there, right?
02:25I think it is the risk of making the decision to denounce him.
02:28He is afraid when they begin to find out what the movements are.
02:31Of course.
02:32I wrote to Zulemita yesterday and I would love to be able to talk to her
02:35to know the total, to know the whole context.
02:38We know very nice things, all the ones we always tell,
02:40that he did them with love,
02:42because you have to put yourself on the shoulder of an older person,
02:47older than the conditions that Carlitos Nahir was in with the addictions.
02:50Yes, because as much as he is your brother,
02:52you can also get tired of taking care of him
02:54and being like accompanying him in this process.
02:56Do you do him a favor or maybe you have to send him
02:58so that he fulfills the sentence of not doing what you have to do.
03:03I would like to know, because I saw it in the notes and I say...
03:05What happened?
03:06At one point he looks healthy,
03:07he looks much better in the last notes.
03:11So it also makes you think,
03:13are there other things that they don't want us to talk about?
03:16There was a matter of the will, I don't know, Alex, if you remember,
03:18where Zulemita I think acceded 30% more of Carlos' inheritance.
03:22So there is also a lot of fight for the series that is going to be released
03:25and they are in disagreement.
03:26Let's see.
03:32It doesn't have a microphone.
03:33No, the microphone doesn't work for you.
03:34Yes, I think what it means is,
03:35one thinks of the fraternal bond of affection,
03:37of taking care of someone from love,
03:39but there are also fights.
03:41But the fights are for money, yes.
03:42And when you see the other side...
03:43Who wants money between brothers?
03:45The bond ends.
03:46And when you don't see a change on the other side,
03:48there comes a point where, as you said,
03:49I'm helping him, but I'm actually helping him without helping him.
03:52Or I'm harming him.
03:53When you overprotect him, you harm him.
03:55The harassment that Fuli mentions,
03:57which I think is what worries Carlitos Nair the most,
04:00has been presented,
04:02well, Diego Storto, Zulemita's lawyer,
04:05several audios were provided to the court
04:08where it is explicit,
04:10this harassment,
04:13this violence that also has to do with the psychological
04:16for Zulemita and her environment.
04:17I think she's tired of putting money
04:19and she's tired of covering holes.
04:20I think he was sending audios,
04:21Charlie is like that,
04:22he was sending audios to people around him.
04:25I imagine that with threatening information,
04:27saying, well, if you don't agree to what I ask you,
04:30I can tell you such a thing.
04:31And what is it that he is asking for, in theory?
04:33Money.
04:34What does he ask for?
04:35Money.
04:36What they say is that a long time ago,
04:39they sent money to Carlitos
04:40or they sent it when he was in Formosa.
04:42A couple of months ago.
04:43Zulemita wants him to give him money to live.
04:46I don't know what he lives on,
04:47I don't know if he has access to the fortune,
04:49to the future inheritance.
04:51That's why I said it would be interesting to talk to him
04:53because in some notes he looks a little better.
04:56Yes, but talking to him and not being able to tell his version.
05:00Of course, but he can't tell her
05:02because he can't name other people.
05:03Here there is a gray area with justice
05:05that tells you you can't talk.
05:07Because his story is his,
05:09and it includes his sister,
05:11Carlos Saúl's favorite sister.
05:14Because his love relationship was unique between them.
05:18And that also happens.
05:19Beyond that, I don't know,
05:22we don't have a lawyer here to ask him,
05:24but I think that the inheritance,
05:25a 30% he can decide who he leaves it to.
05:28Everything else should be for Zulema.
05:31Let's go back to what I was saying.
05:35One, for a logical and binding issue,
05:38he always tries to defend his brothers
05:40until the last moment.
05:42But that he is a brother does not mean that he loves him.
05:44I was consulting with a couple of psychologists
05:46to understand this a little.
05:48One goes to the bone to defend
05:50and try to maintain the bond.
05:52There comes a time when the burden surpasses you.
05:56From the story of Caín and Abel,
05:58we see that also for a matter of jealousy,
06:00for a lot of questions that have to do,
06:02biblical, from this comes a long time ago.
06:04The truth is that in this case Zulema got fed up
06:07with what you were saying about addiction,
06:09the story of Carnitos Nayib.
06:11One has a limit, and I think that's the limit
06:13that she wants to put in this case,
06:15fed up with going out and putting her face out there.
06:17I don't think the limit is related to the fact
06:19that she doesn't want him.
06:20No, no, no.
06:21The limit is precisely to help him.
06:23Yes, of course.
06:24That has nothing to do with it.
06:25Yes, or to not let him advance.
06:27If you have a prohibition to mention
06:29and you mention it,
06:31and there is no answer or retaliation,
06:34would there be a penalty?
06:36Of course, there is no limit.
06:38There is no limit if there is going to be an abuse.
06:40Exactly, I understand that this is the situation now,
06:42which is basically, although it was last year,
06:44now he is going to be tried,
06:46and it is where in a few months he could,
06:48in a little time, be sentenced.
06:50He would be housed in Unit 18,
06:52which is a prison for contraband.
06:54I think he is going to use a tool that is very useful,
06:59whether he is fit or not to go to prison,
07:01whether he is a psychiatric patient or not,
07:03if he understands the seriousness of his actions.
07:05They are going to play a lot for that side, I suppose,
07:07because, as Juli said, he had a sentence
07:09that took him to prison.
07:11And you have to see, in all that context,
07:13everything serious, of handling a weapon of war,
07:15of threats, of drugs.
07:17Yes, of course, but he is in permanent recovery.
07:19I say, he is in permanent recovery,
07:21he does not heal from this.
07:23And you have to see the environment that accompanies him,
07:25where he is going.
07:26Look at Zulemita, she will be tired.
07:28She lost her brother a long time ago.
07:31Evidently, she lost her father,
07:33and she has this brother left.
07:35And notice that she does not want to have any more relationship.
07:37What hurts her is not having that relationship.
07:39It is because the situation has escalated.
07:41But something must have happened.
07:43Diego Storto is on the phone.
07:45He is Zulemita Menem's lawyer,
07:47who is with this cause.
07:48Diego, thank you very much for this communication.
07:50Pamela, good morning. Hello, how are you?
07:52Good, well, I wrote to Zulemita.
07:54She asked me if we could talk to you.
07:56She is in a meeting and prefers not to talk about this topic.
07:59But I know that yours is legal,
08:02but here there is more.
08:04It is not only legal, it is not only economic,
08:06but it is emotional.
08:08For her it must be a very difficult decision
08:11to somehow ask her to go to prison.
08:16She did not ask for it,
08:17but these are the consequences of the actions of Carlitos Nahir.
08:21How is Zulemita with this?
08:23That he could go to jail for a measure that she took.
08:26And well, the truth is that it is not good.
08:28As you say, she is tired of this situation.
08:32She has been tired.
08:34I did not hear what you said before,
08:37but I think Carlos told more or less the subject
08:40that this cause begins with harassment.
08:44Precisely because Zulemita wanted to give another hand to Carlitos,
08:49taking her to work at Toyota and others.
08:54And well, then he broke what the court had dictated to him,
08:58which is not to talk about Zulemita anymore.
09:01From that, disobedience is generated
09:03and that he has a crime of effective compliance,
09:06because as everyone knows, Carlitos has a history.
09:11Yes.
09:12Diego, but what was it that bothered Zulemita so much?
09:15Because I ask you a question, really.
09:18I admire very much everything she did for her brother.
09:22I do not know if many people would be able to do it.
09:25Because he has no need, because he has no obligation,
09:27because he does not sing if he does not want to.
09:29And what he did is a lot.
09:32However, today I think,
09:34how is he not going to talk about her if she is part of his story?
09:38How far censorship,
09:40how far prohibition of speaking becomes censorship?
09:42If someone asks him,
09:43Carlitos Nahir is still the president's son,
09:46and you invite him to an interview,
09:47and the name of Zulemita will come out,
09:49how are you going to prohibit him from speaking
09:51if it is part of his story?
09:53And we are asking Carlitos about his story,
09:55where Zulemita enters.
09:57Where is that gray that I can't speak, I can't name?
10:01Well, your question is good.
10:03I'm going to see how I answer it so you understand it.
10:06Wow.
10:07I think that as you said,
10:09Zulemita got tired of helping Carlitos.
10:13So one thing is that Carlitos refers to Zulemita
10:17as his sister, as the daughter of the father.
10:20And another thing is that he refers to her as a person who swindled him,
10:23as a person who, sorry for the term, who screwed him,
10:26as a person who...
10:27So it's not that he spoke.
10:28It's the content of what he said.
10:30He attacked her.
10:31He publicly attacked her.
10:32Zulemita has children,
10:33Zulemita breaks her life working every day.
10:37Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
10:38And the truth is that there is no more to hear these things
10:41from a person to whom she exceeded her sisterly character
10:46Well, I don't want to make metaphors,
10:48but she gave everything to Carlitos.
10:50Yes, yes, of course.
10:51She gave everything.
10:52So it's because he attacked her, he swindled her.
10:55But this doesn't come from now.
10:56It comes from a long time ago.
10:58Zulemita...
10:59We achieved the follow-up of two criminal cases
11:02where Carlitos Nahid had initiated her
11:06for incompetent circumstances.
11:08He said that Carlos was...
11:10Before he died, the father was, let's say,
11:13he was not in his right mind to decide situations.
11:16It was proven that it was not like that.
11:18That's because of the inheritance, Diego, isn't it?
11:20In that specific case,
11:21was it because of the decisions that were taken
11:23regarding the division of the assets of the inheritance?
11:26No, the inheritance is an issue that was determined by justice.
11:30The trial was opened and what was of Menem was divided.
11:34The truth is that he tried him
11:36because he understood that there were other things
11:39that were of the inheritance,
11:41they were of Zulemita.
11:42It was proven that they were of Zulemita.
11:44That's all very clear
11:45and everything is there for it to be revealed at any time.
11:48You feel that...
11:49That's the resentment for me, Juli, sorry.
11:52The resentment, and I'm going to add Antonella too,
11:55the doubts of...
11:56But Zulemita, since we have...
11:58I think everyone is right,
12:00she doesn't stop generating, working.
12:02Since she was very young, since she accompanies him.
12:04It's not that she worked.
12:05She was a first lady many times, accompanying her father.
12:08We all said, follow the protocol,
12:09that a first lady should follow, but she was his partner.
12:12But she never stopped working.
12:14I don't remember Zulemita without a sabbatical year.
12:17No, no.
12:18No, I don't have a record.
12:19Because it seems to me that,
12:20precisely speaking of the bond and this burden of Zulemita,
12:23that we know from history, what you are telling,
12:26it is clearly a complicated issue
12:28because, in some way,
12:29you end up breaking the bonds of Zulemita.
12:31She recommends him, she gets him a job
12:33and, let's say, she has to be taking care of a younger son,
12:36let's say, seeing what are the steps
12:38that he is following and where he is getting into, right?
12:41Of course, Zulemita, apart from not stopping working,
12:44she doesn't stop taking care of her children,
12:45she doesn't stop taking care of her mother,
12:47she doesn't stop doing things that make good people.
12:50Then, there came a moment when Diego told me,
12:52this is enough, how do we stop this?
12:55It's a constant argument that I received
12:57and the children go to school and...
12:59Sure, sure.
13:00And maybe this, that he learns,
13:01maybe overprotection ends up harming him.
13:03To close the topic, Diego,
13:04when is the sentence going to be announced
13:06or what is going to happen?
13:08There is a request from the prosecutor
13:11of three months in prison.
13:16The defense of Carlitos,
13:17I don't know what strategy he will take,
13:19but clearly, no, the crime is approved,
13:22it's in the tapes, it's all there,
13:24so, clearly, there will be a sentence in the next few days.
13:27Ah, in the next few days,
13:28we'll know what's going to happen.