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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum. Hello and welcome to SportsZoom. I am your host, Najeeb ul-Hasnain.
00:17The issue of Champions Trophy is such that the things that are coming out of India are very strange and baseless.
00:28They are making a security issue when they have forgotten that in the last two years, all the teams in Pakistan have come and played.
00:35To talk about this, we have with us in the studio, sports correspondent Shahid Hashmi.
00:39And we have joined from Lahore studio, former Test cricketer Basit Ali.
00:43Basit brother, Assalam-o-Alaikum. Welcome to the show.
00:46Basit brother, first of all, I would like to know from you that the issue of Champions Trophy has come to a deadlock.
00:53I am not able to understand what will happen next. How do you see this?
00:58Assalam-o-Alaikum and greetings to Shahid brother from our side.
01:02Assalam-o-Alaikum.
01:03As you said earlier that India has given a reason for the security issue.
01:10The Indian government has given a reason for the security issue.
01:13For that, I will say that whenever there is a security issue anywhere in the world,
01:19first of all, they sell their security for free.
01:22They come and see everything.
01:24After that, if they say no, then it is no. If they say yes, then it is yes.
01:28So, first of all, if BCCI says that our government has given a reason for the security issue,
01:33then this chapter closes here.
01:36And as far as you said, what is visible, what will happen?
01:42Do you remember when India-Pakistan match is played on the ground?
01:47Right now, Pakistan-India match is being played outside the ground.
01:50And in that, there is a match referee and a third umpire.
01:55Now, the problem is that there is an appeal on the batters.
01:59He is taking a review.
02:00Similarly, when they are not giving out on the ball of the bowler, the bowler is taking a review.
02:05And the third umpire, when he has to raise his finger, everyone is waiting for this.
02:10Absolutely.
02:11Mr. Shahid, what do you think about this?
02:13Look, the standoff is going on.
02:15There is complete silence in the ICC since the Pakistan Cricket Board has emailed them.
02:19Neither is anyone giving their official answer, nor is anyone replying to the SMS.
02:23Neither are they saying anything.
02:26Obviously, now they will email the Pakistan Cricket Board directly.
02:30After that, BCCI and PCB, in reality, should come to the table of negotiations.
02:35The chairman of BCCI should come, the chairman of PCB should leave.
02:38All three or four officials of the ICC should sit.
02:42And a middle solution will have to be found.
02:45Indian media, BCCI is repeatedly saying that when you accepted the hybrid model at the Asia Cup,
02:51then you should accept the hybrid model again.
02:54At that time, the chairman of the Pakistan Cricket Board, Zaka Sharaf, took credit for it.
02:58That I have brought a super four match to Pakistan, so we should get credit for it.
03:02So now they are saying that when you accepted the hybrid model once, then do it again.
03:07But the position of Pakistan should be, and will be,
03:10that if you make a mistake once, or if we bow our heads once and listen to you,
03:13then we will not listen to you again and again.
03:15We accepted your hybrid model at the Asia Cup,
03:18or the hybrid model given by PCB, we accepted it because we had anticipation
03:23that after the 2023 World Cup, you will come to us in the Champions Trophy.
03:27He came at that time on a hybrid model.
03:29Pakistan Cricket Board wanted that we are going on a hybrid model.
03:32You give us assurances that you will come to the Champions Trophy or not.
03:36Give written assurances.
03:37They still take out the potholes in it.
03:39Government approval is always there.
03:40They take out the potholes that yes, government approval will be there.
03:42So even then you should not have gone on a hybrid model.
03:45Now that you have gone once, they are forcing you again and again.
03:48But right now, the government is not agreeing.
03:50Pakistan Cricket Board is not agreeing.
03:51But we have to see how strong Pakistan Cricket Board is at this time.
03:56Because Pakistan will get a hosting fee of $65 million.
04:00So this is also a very big amount.
04:02But again, Pakistan's position is that we can sustain on our PSL,
04:05on our bilateral series, on our broadcaster rights.
04:10So we don't want this money.
04:11Mr. Basit, the current chairman of Pakistan Cricket Board, Mr. Mohsin Naqvi,
04:15is a very strong man.
04:16And obviously, he is such an influential man.
04:18And he has repeatedly said this.
04:20We have heard this in so many of his press conferences
04:23that there is no possibility of a hybrid event.
04:27It is not possible that we go on a hybrid model.
04:30And he has repeatedly said that all the teams will come.
04:32So the confidence that he is showing, we should stay on that.
04:36And we should go on this.
04:37Look, there is a loss of money.
04:39And we may have to suffer on that.
04:42But how many times will we bow down here?
04:44And how many times will we accept that
04:46BCCI wants the same thing at the end?
04:51Najeeb, first of all, this hybrid model happened in the Asian Cup.
04:54It was done by the Asian Cricket Council.
04:56This is an ICC event.
04:57It has never happened in the ICC.
04:59Has there ever been a hybrid model in an ICC event?
05:01Never.
05:03Never?
05:04It's simple.
05:05It's simple.
05:06And Shahid Bhai has said in his experience
05:09that the heads of both the countries should sit with the people of the ICC.
05:15This is a good advice of Shahid Bhai.
05:17You sit and talk on the table.
05:19Similarly, the Indian media is saying something.
05:22The Pakistani media is doing something.
05:24The people on this side are thinking this will happen.
05:26The people on the other side are thinking this will happen.
05:28The ICC is in the biggest problem right now.
05:30Do you know?
05:31Yes, of course.
05:32What can they do?
05:33The champion of the last trophy is Pakistan.
05:38And this tournament is taking place in Pakistan.
05:41Right now, Pakistan's vote is stronger than the BCCI.
05:47I agree that the BCCI has a lot of money.
05:49In the end, we have to see whether the money will win or the principles will win.
05:55If the ICC tells the Pakistan Cricket Board to do a hybrid model,
06:01then it is the defeat of the ICC.
06:03It is not the defeat of Pakistan.
06:05Like you just said, Mohsin Nikholi, no doubt he is a very strong chairman of the PCB at this time.
06:12And all the people like Zakhar Shroff, Shahid Bhai,
06:16there are people who are 500 times stronger than him.
06:18They will talk only on their terms and conditions.
06:22Like Shahid Bhai said about the hybrid model,
06:24I will give one more advice.
06:26The ICC and BCCI will never agree.
06:29You can separate Pakistan and India.
06:34And Mohsin Nikholi will say that the final will be in Lahore.
06:38No matter which team reaches there.
06:40The ICC will not agree.
06:42The BCCI will not agree either.
06:44Because the broadcasters will say no.
06:46The broadcasters will say no.
06:47And the problem will be that at the end,
06:49when India goes to the final,
06:51they are adamant that they do not want to come here at any cost.
06:56Najeeb, Najeeb, Najeeb.
06:59If this system is acceptable,
07:04then I will give you insurance that India will not come to the final.
07:09But no one can say that.
07:13But Shahid sir, your advice is 100% correct.
07:17But every time we have bowed down, agreed,
07:20we have bowed down to them,
07:22we have loved them,
07:24they do not bring us to any account.
07:26The problem is that they are not even ready to sit at the table.
07:28It will be a long process.
07:30Because Pakistan, as I said yesterday,
07:32when the award was given,
07:34Rameez Raja was the chairman.
07:36When the hybrid model was accepted, Najam Sethi was there.
07:38When the hybrid model started to be implemented,
07:40Zaka Sharaf took the credit
07:42that I suggested the hybrid model.
07:44I have brought another game of Super 4.
07:46After that, when you have brought the title of Champions Trophy,
07:48Chairman Mohsin Naqvi,
07:50our own people have also changed so much
07:52that we cannot even lobby.
07:54Now is the time that Pakistan has come strongly
07:56that no, we will not accept the hybrid model.
07:58You can do it without us.
08:00Now is the time that a member board
08:02should say that
08:04the governance of the ICC should change.
08:06The countries should not run it alone,
08:08but there should be independent directors.
08:10And from the same country,
08:12all the money of the ICC should come.
08:14The broadcaster of the ICC should come from the same country.
08:16The broadcaster should come.
08:18This is the most dangerous thing.
08:20It should change.
08:22Whether it is now, two years later,
08:24three years later,
08:26but the style of the ICC's governance,
08:28and in 2011, Haroon Lodgat was picked up,
08:30he was snubbed.
08:32If the governance of the ICC changes,
08:34more independent directors will come,
08:36then you will get to see neutral decisions.
08:38Otherwise, you will always bow in front of India.
08:40And Mr. Basit, what you are talking about
08:42Indian media and Pakistan media,
08:44they are running false news.
08:46And you should listen to them.
08:48Why were Pakistan and the ICC silent for so many days?
08:50Why didn't they prepare for this before?
08:52When you didn't say no before,
08:54how can we say that India will not come?
08:56They are waiting for the last time
08:58to trap Pakistan in this situation
09:00so that there are fewer options.
09:04Najib, you are absolutely right.
09:06But the problem is,
09:08the ICC means
09:10the International Cricket Council.
09:12Were they sleeping?
09:14Didn't they know that India
09:16will make an excuse of security
09:18this time as well?
09:20They should have discussed this before.
09:22But the problem is that
09:24the Indian Cricket Board was formed at the time of the ICC.
09:26Which is true.
09:28And because of that,
09:30you are having all these problems.
09:32If Mr. Mohsin Naqvi
09:34keeps his word,
09:36then in the end,
09:38Pakistan will win.
09:40Because at this time,
09:42the entire nation has been formed.
09:44And that entire nation
09:46is with Mohsin Naqvi.
09:48Now, Mr. Mohsin Naqvi has to decide
09:50whether he should
09:52bow down to the ICC
09:54or he should openly say
09:56no.
09:58Obviously, the government will take the advice.
10:00But again,
10:02he is a very powerful man.
10:04He is the government, Najib.
10:06Who is the government now?
10:08The government is Mohsin Naqvi.
10:10Okay. Let's take a short commercial break.
10:12We will come back.
10:14Obviously, Pakistan's T20 series
10:16will also start tomorrow.
10:18On the other side of this break,
10:20we will talk about it.
10:34Welcome back
10:36once again to Sports Room.
10:38And now we will talk about
10:40Pakistan and Australia's T20 series.
10:42The start of this tour was great.
10:44Nobody was expecting
10:46that we will be able to win here.
10:48Mr. Basit, let's start with you.
10:50After the success in the One Day Series,
10:52the expectations have increased.
10:54Although, the T20 record in Australia is not good.
10:56What will you say? How do you see it?
11:00Look at this.
11:02Look at the new kids who have gone.
11:04Don't focus on the result of the match.
11:06Because the preparation that Pakistan is doing,
11:08in 50 overs,
11:10you have seen the preparation
11:12for the Champions League.
11:14The T20 matches are
11:16preparations for the World Cup.
11:18Take it as a match.
11:20All the boys should see
11:22how strong their luck is.
11:24Don't focus on the result.
11:26Mr. Shahid, do you agree with this?
11:28Absolutely.
11:30It's a new team, new players, new passion.
11:32Rizwan is very good and very new.
11:34I wish this would have happened
11:36before the T20 World Cup.
11:38Then we wouldn't have to face
11:40such a big loss in the T20 World Cup.
11:42The results change.
11:44Rizwan has shown a new side
11:46in this team.
11:48He has brought unity and fight.
11:50That should be seen in the T20.
11:52It would have been better
11:54if Saim had played such good innings
11:56in the One Day Series.
11:58We would have given him a few more chances.
12:00Now it's time to think
12:02who you will bat against.
12:04You have Umair bin Yousuf,
12:06Haseeb Ullah
12:08and Saabzada Farhan.
12:10Saabzada Farhan is an opener
12:12so he might not get a chance.
12:14Haseeb Ullah should play
12:16to get a left-hander in the middle.
12:18It's a good team with good results.
12:20Basit, there is a big difference
12:22between a captain and a captain.
12:24You need a captain whose shoulders
12:26are not down and fights till the end.
12:28You know Saabzada Farhan very well.
12:30How do you see him in the T20
12:32with this young team?
12:36He has achieved
12:38what he wanted to achieve
12:40in the One Day Series.
12:42He should enjoy it.
12:44He should give a chance to his new players.
12:46Like Shahid Bhai said,
12:48Saabzada Farhan should play for number 4.
12:50Why not Babur Azam or Rizwan
12:52should play for number 4?
12:54He should experience this.
12:56I think Babur and Rizwani
12:58should play for number 4.
13:00Babur and Rizwani have won the heart
13:02by becoming captains.
13:04We hope to see a similar performance
13:06in the T20 Series.
13:08Thank you Basit Ali and Shahid Ashmi.
13:10That's all for today.
13:12We take your leave.
13:14Take care. Allah Hafiz.