Fortune Next to Lead editor Ruth Umoh sits down with Airbnb CEO Brian Chesky.
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00:00Who's your favorite at Airbnb right now?
00:02Favorite what?
00:02You said you pick favorites. Who's your number one?
00:05Oh, I have so many favorites.
00:06That's such a political answer. That's a politician's answer.
00:09I mean, I don't even know if I have a single favorite.
00:14You've repeatedly said you tried to emulate how Steve Jobs ran Apple.
00:19He had a predilection for hosting about 100 of the most important people at Apple,
00:24and those selected were hierarchy agnostic.
00:27Would you ever replicate this at Airbnb?
00:29I did, and I do it twice a year.
00:31You do?
00:32I don't call it top 100.
00:33Okay. Why is that?
00:35Well, I think top 100 quite literally means these are the most important 100 people in the company.
00:40At most companies, there'd be a protest if the CEO picked people,
00:45because they would be considered their favorites,
00:47and it would be considered unfair and not systematic.
00:51And I think ultimately, the CEO should have favorites.
00:55The favorites have to be unfair criteria.
00:58But if you can't have favorites, if you can't say this is a high performer,
01:02and this is what excellence looks like,
01:04then you're going to be in big, big trouble.
01:06That is just not good leadership.
01:07Now, it can be fair criteria.
01:09You can have people making sure there's not unconscious bias,
01:13people keeping you honest, looking for disparate impact inside the organization.
01:17You can do a lot of surveys, and you can use that to reinforce your assumptions.
01:24But the notion that a CEO should not have discretion in decision making of who should be in a room,
01:30like the President of the United States would pick, we should pick too.
01:34It doesn't matter what level you're at.