Un audio grabado durante una conversación revela detalles inquietantes sobre la desaparición de Loan. En lugar de hablar sobre un accidente, los interlocutores discuten una frenada brusca y a Pérez supuestamente metiendo a Loan en una camioneta. También se menciona una misteriosa reunión la noche de la desaparición. La testigo clave, Laudelina, afirma que fue hecha disimular mientras buscaban a Loan. Las implicaciones de estas revelaciones podrían cambiar el curso de la investigación.
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00:00who are asking you about this recording, it is not a WhatsApp audio, it is a recording taken,
00:09as Nahuel just said, a phone is placed on a table, a dialogue begins, this dialogue is recorded,
00:16practically during the dialogue there is no talk of accident, there is talk of braking of the truck,
00:25there is talk of Pérez supposedly putting Lohan in the truck to leave,
00:32you know later, all the experiments that end up involving Pérez,
00:38there was also talk of a meeting on the same day of Lohan's disappearance, at night,
00:44Kodassi himself said it here, when a mysterious meeting between Carlos Pérez,
00:51Caillaba and part of the family, where the family would have been told at that meeting,
00:58stay calm, now that you recover after this problem that there was,
01:03he will return with you and without any problem, do not say anything for now,
01:07we will solve it when Lohan is well, more or less the words that would have been said,
01:12according to José Kodassi himself, he commented here, he had supposedly told Laudelina,
01:20Macarena would also have been there and participated in that meeting,
01:24we began to know those audios, some fragments were already there,
01:28but of course, it caused a great stir because it is 17 minutes of a conversation
01:33where a commissioner does not appear, apparently pushing or scripting or telling Laudelina
01:43what he had to do, yesterday during the program, while we were commenting,
01:47some source told me, that audio was recorded 15 days before the appearance of Kodassi on stage,
01:54I found out a little more and they confirm that no,
01:58this audio was recorded once both Laudelina, Macarena and Kodassi were in Corrientes
02:07and were extracted from the hotel where they were going to spend the night,
02:11after an important demonstration that included stones, incidents, glass breaks,
02:18to the point that Commissioner Rodríguez himself has to take these women out of that hotel in Corrientes
02:25and finally they end up going to testify to the Prosecutor's Office of Rovino,
02:30which is the prosecutor of the province of Corrientes,
02:33with the commissioner supposedly, with Commissioner Rodríguez,
02:36on the other side of the door, without participating in that talk,
02:41that we at some point showed you and that today we are going to review,
02:44but let's go to the first of the audios that has caused great commotion in recent hours,
02:49in the talk between Laudelina and Commissioner Rodríguez, listen to it.
02:54Plene wanted to leave his house early,
02:58and the father, as he was eating and drinking and chatting,
03:02he didn't give him back, and he left with the other guys,
03:06and there, when the phone rings, he tells me that Lohan was missing,
03:10that he came to see him.
03:15Plene wanted to leave his house early,
03:20and the father, as he was eating and drinking and chatting,
03:24he didn't give him back, and he left with the other guys,
03:27and there, when the phone rings, he tells me that Lohan was missing,
03:32that he came to see him.
03:38Well, a little more, a little less, this is how the talk begins,
03:41in which, in reality, Rodríguez tells Laudelina first,
03:45look, we came here to protect you, we want to know where Lohan is,
03:50tell us what happened, and that's when she starts to report,
03:53and this is very clear in the audio that the justice is analyzing.
03:57The justice also analyzes the course of this audio.
04:01We talked about it with you, and yesterday we were given wrong information,
04:06that's why we are rectifying it,
04:08regarding when this audio was recorded.
04:11It was spoken of 15 days before the appearance of Codazzi,
04:14considering that at that point,
04:17Commissioner Rodríguez was already working,
04:20according to what the previous prosecutor dictated or requested.
04:26The prosecutor is Castillo Ibarri,
04:28a prosecutor who is also in the Cosa Cositorto case, there in Goya.
04:33The commissioner was already there at that time,
04:36and Laudelina tells him this story,
04:39that later she herself will say that it is absolutely a lie,
04:43and that it had been scripted by José Codazzi.
04:47The truth, as we said yesterday with Bobby,
04:50to which Laudelina we believe, Bobby.
04:53And here the importance that this audio takes
04:57is the value of spontaneity.
05:00There, where someone can prepare for a statement,
05:04they even tell us that in the case of the appearance of Prosecutor Rovino,
05:13he was even rehearsing, with a video, with a script,
05:16that statement was established.
05:18But here it is important,
05:20and that is why we are going to review some of the sections
05:23that we already presented to you yesterday,
05:25and we are going to be going through new sections.
05:27It has the value of spontaneity.
05:29Is it a legal maneuver that someone is recording it?
05:31Will it have judicial value?
05:33It is a whole discussion about that.
05:35If whoever does it admits to being an investigator.
05:37For now, Commissioner Rodríguez does not convalidate having been him.
05:41There, where, hey, let's talk, feel confident,
05:44we are going to protect you,
05:45and someone slides a cell phone that is recording,
05:48it has the value of spontaneity.
05:50In this changing Laudelina,
05:52who one day says one thing and another day says otherwise,
05:56it has this value.
05:58What does it count when they do not know that they are recording it?
06:02Now, if you already have an armed speech,
06:04if something has already been pre-established by another or by her,
06:08well, then it will be interesting another exercise that we are going to do today with you,
06:12which is to compare.
06:13What do these audios say that we are going to go through right now?
06:16And what does he say when he sat down with the prosecutor?
06:18Exactly.
06:19Let's see, let's go to more audios of Laudelina.
06:22New audios that are being investigated by the justice.
06:27And there, when the phone rings,
06:29he tells me that he came.
06:32Yes, he came.
06:34He braked in that curve when he was going to the door.
06:38Where was the door?
06:39And you, where were you when ...?
06:41They were in that curve of the road.
06:44How many meters did he drive?
06:46And they were 200, 200 and something.
06:50So everything, El Chucho, Monte, you saw how the place ...
06:55Now everything is down because of so many vehicles that went there.
07:00Well, well.
07:01More testimony that is trying to understand justice at the moment
07:07with the statement of Commissioner Rodríguez.
07:11We are going to show you part of the statement of Rodríguez.
07:14You know, in just 13 days he was called to testify twice.
07:19Also at the heart of this situation is the expert Lescano, the non-expert.
07:23I want to show you some fragments of the statement.
07:26I, says Commissioner Rodríguez,
07:30I am the person who accompanied Macarena and Laudelina Peni
07:33to the prosecution of Dr. Rovino.
07:35In the place where the Office of Complex Crimes operates,
07:38the lawyer, Codazzi,
07:41wanted to file a criminal complaint,
07:43which, as he referenced, would correspond to the crime of threats,
07:48reason why I decided to make the prosecution on duty.
07:54Well, this statement shows you the beginning of what we hear now
08:01with the dialogue with Laudelina.
08:04That is, he confirms that he accompanies Macarena and Laudelina to the prosecution,
08:09he does it at the request of Codazzi,
08:12and finally they start calling the Federal Prosecutor's Office,
08:15the Prosecutor's Office on duty,
08:17and they end up declaring at three in the morning.
08:19Let's move on.
08:20The next one.
08:21And now we continue with Laudelina.
08:23Codazzi moved them in his truck to the Prosecutor's Office,
08:26and I accompanied them.
08:27I understand that Codazzi left them at a hotel,
08:30Macarena and Laudelina.
08:31He moved in to visit his mother,
08:33and then he settled in my unit,
08:35and he tells me that he wants to file a criminal complaint.
08:38This was between 8 and 9 p.m.
08:40I chose not to receive the complaint,
08:42beyond the fact that I have the obligation to receive it.
08:45Why? He explains.
08:46I directly wanted to link them to the prosecutor,
08:49and for them to talk to the prosecutor.
08:51That's what happened.
08:52What you hear in this audio
08:54would have happened after this event.
08:59Let's go to the next one,
09:00and then we'll listen to Laudelina again.
09:02I'm putting you in context.
09:03What happened in that hotel?
09:05Someone found out where they were,
09:08and the hotel was stonewalled.
09:11It's a hotel that you don't know exactly who it is,
09:14if it has anything to do with the police,
09:16or with someone who was in the police force.
09:18A lot was said about that.
09:19The truth is that the appearance on social media
09:22of the place where Laudelina and her daughter were resting
09:27became public,
09:28and a lot of people,
09:29and you're going to see the images,
09:30which we're probably going to show you,
09:33a lot of people went to attack that hotel.
09:35Stonewalled.
09:37And then that's where they practically ask for help,
09:40and they end up extracting them from the hotel
09:42to safeguard it.
09:44Among those who extract them from the hotel
09:47is Commissioner Rodríguez.
09:49When I extract them from the hotel,
09:51I call Kodacy to see what we're going to do with them.
09:54I communicate with my superiors, Arnaldo Molina,
09:56who was the chief at the time,
09:57who is currently retired.
09:59Between one and two in the morning,
10:01to see what we were going to do.
10:03If we could make him appear before the Federal Police
10:06or before the Federal Justice.
10:08Nobody gave us an answer.
10:10So Kodacy asked me to accompany these people
10:12until July 9, and so I did.
10:15In this interim, the audio would have been recorded,
10:18where apparently it would not be the first meeting
10:21between Audelina and Rodríguez,
10:23but where Rodríguez would have told her,
10:25stay calm, we are here to support you.
10:28I have the information and the personal hypothesis,
10:32but above all the information,
10:34that it is in this section,
10:36where what we have been going through is happening,
10:39we have already heard, and now we will continue to hear.
10:41Why?
10:42Because in that case, I even tell you,
10:44it is half-baked.
10:45In the good sense, I say it,
10:46as a compliment, not as a criticism.
10:48The commissioner comes from living the episode
10:50that Audelina comes from living.
10:52Audelina had to, supposedly,
10:54if she did it in the natural environment,
10:56as a witness,
10:58at that time Audelina was not detained,
11:00Audelina moved with tranquility,
11:02she had to have declared in Goya.
11:04In fact, they had just done it,
11:06until a couple of hours ago,
11:08several family members.
11:09They had been taken back,
11:11the parents and the brothers.
11:13So, the commissioner wants to take advantage of this context.
11:17They almost lynched her.
11:19People detected, found out,
11:21found out by the media,
11:23that she had not gone to declare in Goya.
11:25The rumor began to spread,
11:27they saw television mobile phones,
11:29that they were betting, that they were touring the city,
11:31that they were looking for where Audelina could be.
11:33People quickly detected them.
11:35They were days from the province,
11:37very convulsed by Lohan.
11:39Someone warned,
11:41she is here, she is in this hotel,
11:43she was with Macarena,
11:45and they almost lynched her.
11:47The commissioner Rodriguez had to get her out,
11:49with several uniformed police officers
11:51and special forces.
11:53So, I think he wants to take advantage of that context, Pablo.
11:55He wants to say, look at what can happen to you.
11:57So, let's see, you are safe with us,
11:59you know me, we have already talked,
12:01I will give you security,
12:03so, in this context,
12:05you have this value,
12:07later we will see if it is good or bad,
12:09that someone puts one of these on the table,
12:11and records,
12:13it has a very special system,
12:15the current one.
12:17I think he is trying to take advantage of that context.
12:19One, Audelina,
12:21so far, it seems that she has never been shot,
12:23but here, people almost lynch her.
12:25So, Audelina, please,
12:27better talk,
12:29and someone puts a cell phone,
12:31very good the representation, Bobby,
12:33I want to give you this urgent information,
12:35and it has to do with this man.
12:4316, 16, urgent,
12:45before in who, when, where,
12:47in A24, just finished the statement
12:49of Commissioner Rodriguez.
12:53Next,
12:55Torres,
12:57Torres, Erica Torres.
12:59And why,
13:01declares this woman,
13:03also a policewoman,
13:05it would have been her husband
13:07who recorded, who put the phone
13:09on the table.
13:11What was it that Torres explained,
13:13why didn't he speak,
13:15sorry, Rodriguez,
13:17why didn't he speak before the judge,
13:19in the first instance,
13:21about this recording?
13:23Did he know they were recording
13:25their conversation?
13:27Did he know
13:29about the investigation
13:31of Corrientes,
13:33possibly the highest authority
13:35regarding an investigation?
13:37Could they have recorded it
13:39without him knowing?
13:41The truth is that 13 days ago,
13:43when he declared,
13:45he said absolutely nothing of this,
13:47beyond that he reproduced
13:49what Audelina had told him.
13:51And that, now, you can hear,
13:53complete, with some cuts,
13:55although we have the raw,
13:57there is also no justice.
13:59At this moment,
14:01Torres, the woman
14:03who was, evidently,
14:05in this meeting,
14:07where her husband,
14:09according to them,
14:11would have put the phone
14:13and recorded this conversation
14:15that ends,
14:17as I do this tour,
14:19among students
14:21of a professor of graphology
14:23Let's listen to more audios
14:25and I will continue to explain
14:27what is happening
14:29with the Logan Hoye case.
14:53Of course.
14:55She made me hide
14:57that she was looking for me,
14:59says Audelina,
15:01there she gives me the shoe,
15:03because I saw her
15:05when they braked
15:07and when they loaded,
15:09I think,
15:11Logan,
15:13in the box of the truck.
15:15This is what she is saying.
15:17She is not talking about an accident,
15:19she is talking about
15:21a braking,
15:23in principle,
15:25in principle.
15:27Let's see,
15:29why is Audelina central
15:31in this story?
15:33Any of the six who were at lunch,
15:35the seventh detainee of relevance
15:37is commissar Maciel,
15:39any of the six who were
15:41at that lunch,
15:43if he had broken
15:45and told what happened
15:47to Lohan,
15:49the only one
15:51who links with everyone else,
15:53the only one who fulfills
15:55that requirement, is Audelina.
15:57If you try to
15:59have the six in the picture,
16:01we are going to reconstruct it
16:03so that you have it present,
16:05of the six we are talking about,
16:07there are three marriages,
16:09and you try to link them together,
16:11some meet the requirement
16:13to connect, but none with everyone.
16:15The only one who fulfills
16:17the requirement to know everyone
16:19is Audelina, because she is a central character
16:21in this story. The other element
16:23that gives her a centrality
16:25is the boot, so much so
16:27that she recognizes us that she planted it,
16:29so much so that she is misled,
16:31so much so that she says it was her,
16:33and at times she says it was Macarena,
16:35which is what her daughter actually posted,
16:37but in any case,
16:39what happened to her, and no one
16:41was so close to the vital element
16:43of the cause, which is the boot
16:45that Lohan had put on,
16:47and that someone took it from her,
16:49and it passed through the hands of Audelina.
16:51So, look at
16:53why the central elements are there
16:55to bring Audelina back
16:57over and over again.
16:59Why is it important to listen to her
17:01in these audios? Because even when
17:03we suppose, and it is likely that once again
17:05in the parable of the little liar,
17:07she is lying to us, and we don't know
17:09when she is telling us the truth,
17:11and at some point maybe she has told us
17:13and we have not been able to distinguish it,
17:15but she is a central character,
17:17central for all these reasons
17:19that this pit is the hostess,
17:21she summons, she cooks,
17:23she is the only one who knows everyone,
17:25she knows the territory, she knows the house,
17:27she knows the field, she knows the place
17:29where they went away with the little boy,
17:31closer or farther,
17:33wherever they have taken him,
17:35she knows the place, and there are some
17:37who do not know it, she knows
17:39all the beggars, including Pérez and Caillaba,
17:41others do not know them,
17:43so she is a central character,
17:45and much more to listen to her,
17:47if they are recording her, and she does not know
17:49that they are recording her.
17:51Carlos Rodríguez just finished declaring,
17:53sorry, Héctor Rodríguez, the commissioner,
17:55but what did the justice tell him?
17:57So that you understand where the recording
17:59comes from, which has been generating
18:01many repercussions in all national
18:03and provincial media.
18:05Notice, Rodríguez continues to say,
18:07within that incident of the
18:09stolen car, they spoke to me,
18:11Laudelina told me
18:13about her observation from a point
18:15where she had observed the truck braking
18:17moments before Laudelina
18:19would have left to look for
18:21Lohan at Catalina's house.
18:23Here he is saying it,
18:25what he is not saying is,
18:27what he is not saying is, I recorded it,
18:29I recorded this conversation,
18:31but we have managed to identify the moment,
18:33first by a data that we had,
18:35and then after the analysis of the
18:37Laudelina and Rodríguez, which is ending,
18:39he finished declaring for the second time.
18:41Is there one more?
18:43Let's go to the next one,
18:45and we continue with the new audio
18:47of Laudelina, look at this,
18:49federal player documentation,
18:51of Goya.
18:53Laudelina told me,
18:55having seen the truck braking,
18:57having seen that they picked up the baby,
18:59she tells me, notice that she never
19:01talks about an accident,
19:03she tells me that the Ford Ranger truck
19:05observed the braking light
19:07from the position in which it was,
19:09that Pérez gets off on one side
19:11and Victoria on the other,
19:13and she told me, I think Pérez opened
19:15the back of the truck and would have
19:17taken the baby to that place.
19:19Let's see, she never talks about an accident,
19:21if they talk about a braking,
19:23what's going on here?
19:25And now we are going to review it with you,
19:27and I leave it to you,
19:29because we already have to go with Hanson.
19:31What's going on here?
19:33Codazzi came to tell us,
19:35a few months ago,
19:37you and me,
19:39that that same day,
19:41once Pérez and Caillabas return
19:43and meet
19:45with the family, except with Benítez,
19:47except with Ramírez,
19:49except with Miyapi,
19:51that they all meet,
19:53being José too,
19:55Loan's father, and María,
19:57and he would have told them,
19:59this according to what he reported here,
20:01Codazzi, and now we are going to hear it,
20:03that in that meeting,
20:05Pérez asked for silence,
20:07and said that there had been an accident,
20:09without telling anyone
20:11who gave him,
20:13Caillabas, supposedly,
20:15a bottle of Laudelina.
20:17However, he said, for now, don't do anything,
20:19the baby recovers and I bring it,
20:21but that never happened,
20:23it never happened, they never returned it to Loan,
20:25and yet,
20:27there is this issue of the meeting,
20:29that draws our attention so much,
20:31that José did not comment,
20:33if it did exist.
20:35We had doubts,
20:37Codazzi commented,
20:39Laudelina would have told him,
20:41and he would have told Macarena,
20:43who would have told him,
20:45remember the meeting in which Macarena
20:47had also participated.
20:49New audio from Laudelina,
20:51and we go with Hanson.
20:59New audio from Laudelina,
21:01and we go with Hanson.
21:23New audio from Laudelina,
21:25and we go with Hanson.
21:29New audio from Laudelina,
21:31and we go with Hanson.