👉 Eliseo Blanco, residente de Concordia, la ciudad con el mayor índice de pobreza en el país, denuncia a un ex compañero de trabajo Edgardo Kueider, por enriquecimiento ilícito. Blanco sostiene que el senador por UP, pasó de ser un simple empleado a poseer un patrimonio considerable en poco tiempo, lo cual ha llevado a presentar su caso ante la Fiscalía.
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00:00Color data, but not so much, is the name of the city of Concordia, which is the poorest city in the country.
00:06That is, it is the city with the highest index, every time the poverty index comes out of the Permanent Survey of Homeless People of India.
00:11Concordia is the poorest city, it is the name of Concordia.
00:14Let's see, Eliseo Blanco is the denunciator.
00:16Eliseo, thank you for being in this contact with Andino and the news.
00:20We understand that there were previous complaints for illicit enrichment.
00:23This is there. How are you? Good morning.
00:26Good morning, Guillermo. How are you?
00:28Well, yes, we are located in one of the poorest cities in the country.
00:34The product of this type of character,
00:37who were concerned about their personal issues before providing a service
00:44to the community and the people to improve their way of living.
00:48Well, yes, I made the presentation
00:52at the Prosecutor's Office on June 19th, I think it was.
00:58And the judge had, well, there were two options,
01:04not to give the course and give the course.
01:06They gave him a course, they began to investigate him,
01:09to the judge, also as a result of a job of journalistic investigation.
01:14The first one who initiated it was a journalist for nothing, Ricardo David,
01:18for some departments in Paraná,
01:23for a value of more or less 1,300 million pesos.
01:27We are talking about a person who, here in Concordia,
01:30at the beginning was another neighbor.
01:33Let's talk about that, Eliseo.
01:35Let's start with the story of this neighbor who had an almost non-existent heritage.
01:39Who was Edgardo Cuéider before accessing politics,
01:43the Senate, the representation of a province?
01:47Well, Edgardo Cuéider was a person who,
01:51I'm going to use a vulgar term,
01:53who was looking for it to be able to live, right?
01:59And he had the opportunity that an ex-vice-governor
02:05put him on a list of advisers.
02:09After being in the deliberative council,
02:14he went on to be in the PAMI.
02:18After the PAMI, he became the hands and eyes
02:24of the lieutenant, Gustavo Bordel,
02:27almost eight years.
02:29And after those eight years,
02:31he continued in the government as secretary general
02:35with access to a lot of money management.
02:38And there he has a complaint for having paid or managed
02:44the payment to a means that is practically non-existent.
02:49I think it's called the Treriano hug.
02:52That cause is held by Judge López Montrul.
02:56It's kind of stopped.
02:59I think that now, with this,
03:01he's going to have to be impeached,
03:03he's not going to be able to have it more boxed in.
03:05Of course.
03:07And then, from that situation,
03:09well, everyone knows Cuéider
03:11because of the prominence he took
03:13by breaking ranks with Peronism,
03:15by being a federal bloc,
03:17and by being a serviceman to officialism.
03:20And he's always on the lookout
03:22for issues related to illegality.
03:25And now that this is happening,
03:28in Ciudades del Este,
03:31a hot border that practically
03:36makes Cuéider the Herminio Iglesia
03:38of political culture.
03:40Now, Eliseo, they say that you came
03:42with several trips where you supposedly
03:44had been able to transfer
03:46other amounts of money that you did
03:48in the early morning.
03:50This is corroborated there by the customs,
03:52by the border crossing.
03:54Do you know this?
03:56Well, here the issue, yes.
03:58The media, surely,
04:00with the report from the customs
04:02of Paraguay,
04:04must have this information
04:06or have asked for migrations.
04:08There is always someone who informs
04:10about the departure of Cuéider
04:12from the country.
04:14Well, now we have to see
04:16the Paraguayan justice,
04:18which has to investigate
04:20if he entered with money,
04:22if he did not enter,
04:24how they bought a person
04:26who did not declare the money.
04:28If he went on the previous trips
04:30with money, he did not declare it,
04:32and he spent it as a bagger
04:34spends what he buys.
04:36An important character appears on the scene,
04:38as if this were a movie,
04:40who is his secretary,
04:42the secretary of Cuéider, who has a position
04:44in the highest category of the Senate.
04:46Listen well, he charges
04:48more than two million pesos.
04:50Her name is Yara Ginzel Costa,
04:52who accompanied the senator
04:54when he found him with this suitcase
04:56and with such an amount of money.
04:58She is a historical secretary.
05:00Who is this person, Eliseo?
05:02She has been
05:04with Cuéider for a long time,
05:06sharing
05:08practically
05:10her life.
05:12What does this mean?
05:14Is this your partner?
05:16How is Cuéider's family?
05:18Look, Cuéider has
05:20big children, he has a family
05:22and apparently he has
05:24a distance with his family
05:26and this person
05:28occupies
05:30the void that his wife
05:32occupies,
05:34right?
05:36So,
05:38she is the one who accompanies him everywhere
05:40and is also part of this
05:42shameful,
05:44painful
05:46and sad situation
05:48that many Argentines are going through.
05:50No, sure, but besides,
05:52Cuéider is to blame, he says that the money is hers,
05:54that is, he compromises her.
05:56In line with what he says,
05:58Cuéider and the secretary
06:00live in the Palermo area.
06:02They have a six-square house,
06:04in that sense,
06:06the sources that are there,
06:08they speak of an intimate
06:10relationship, practically,
06:12but of a couple,
06:14and they live in Buenos Aires,
06:16they live here.
06:18There is the Acta, Escuénaga Street.
06:20Escuénaga and Rodríguez Peña,
06:22five blocks apart.
06:24Well,
06:26here is an important thing that must be highlighted,
06:28you know very well
06:30this issue of this money
06:34and that you are going to have to
06:36give account to the authorities.
06:38Eliseo, sorry,
06:40not to give you so many turns,
06:42the undeclared money
06:44that Cuéider,
06:46although he says it is not his,
06:48had in his power,
06:50where is it supposed to come from?
06:52From the time of his transition
06:54to officialdom,
06:56he is a man who was always naughty,
06:58he always took an envelope here,
07:00a silver there,
07:02now even more after the Basis Law,
07:04what are the hypotheses?
07:06Sorry, I'll add something,
07:08or from the secretary,
07:10who may have money,
07:12because he says the money is his.
07:14No, the secretary does not have money.
07:16She is 34 years old,
07:18maybe she is very good at investing,
07:20maybe,
07:22or she is a successful lawyer,
07:24I don't know.
07:26Here we are talking about a new version
07:28of the Banelco.
07:30By the Basis Law, you say.
07:32But let's see,
07:34is that consistent?
07:36Because it is very easy to say today,
07:38in virtue of the fact that he voted in favor,
07:40but is there any kind of consistency
07:42to say that?
07:44Because what one tries is to be serious,
07:46ecuánime, and say, well, let's see,
07:48what information do we have to say
07:50that this may be money from politics?
07:52No, listen to me,
07:54here there is a version,
07:56what is heard is that there is
07:58a new version of the Banelco,
08:00but that,
08:02neither you nor I are the ones
08:04who have the evidence
08:06to say, this money is
08:08for having voted in favor of the Basis Law.
08:10That has to be brought to justice.
08:12Of course, that's why I say,
08:14when there is a version of those characteristics,
08:16there are always those who promote
08:18this type of version.
08:20Exactly,
08:22who began to say,
08:24they were this senator,
08:26this senator, this senator,
08:28but it was the repentant senator.
08:30It was a note he made here on this channel.
08:32In reality he was an official of the Senate,
08:34I think he was a parliamentary secretary,
08:36he had a very important position,
08:38but what I say is,
08:40he was at the table,
08:42he is a repentant,
08:44it is not the case of this,
08:46for now or forever, I don't know,
08:48but it is not the case of this.
08:50What happens is that,
08:52and there I ask you,
08:54the patrimonial leap of Cuéider
08:56with the departments in Paraná
08:58and with the trips to Brazil
09:00and then to Paraguay,
09:02is it from the fact that he votes in favor of the Basis Law?
09:04No, no,
09:06he had a deal with Bordeaux.
09:08Also, that is, he was coming from before.
09:10No, he was coming,
09:12he was coming,
09:14he was coming from before,
09:16we are our people,
09:18we have the age of Cuéder
09:20and we were once collaborating
09:22with the issues of politics,
09:24we are in Pampa,
09:26and there was.
09:28And he got rich?
09:32A few years ago he was working
09:34with me
09:36in the PAMI,
09:38he was an employee who carried papers
09:40and had a car,
09:42the oldest here in PAMI,
09:44he had it,
09:46from night to morning
09:48these issues appeared
09:50of Cuéder,
09:52property
09:54and all the things that are related
09:56to a good life, right?
09:58And now he said
10:00that he represents an anonymous society
10:02that invested in Paraguay.
10:04That anonymous society
10:06can be
10:08Cuéder himself
10:10or that the shareholder is Cuéder
10:12and that figure
10:14as a kind of bullfighter.
10:16Let's see, if it's her,
10:18of course it has to be
10:20Cuéder.
10:22Now, this is work
10:24for justice, so that there is a background
10:26and that it is known
10:28where these funds come from.
10:30But what can be known now
10:32with what you know from day to day,
10:34with the patrimonial growth,
10:36with the background it has.
10:38Let's see, those who know in a municipality,
10:40in a town, how an employee
10:42gets rich, knows where
10:44those resources come from.
10:46If it is not public work,
10:48the records may be different.
10:50Where could he have gotten
10:52that sum of money if we are talking
10:54about money from the provincial era?
10:56Well,
10:58he was a worker,
11:00a pickpocket, and then he appeared
11:02with all this. Here
11:04he managed state money
11:06and if he doesn't count
11:08and shows
11:10his recipe to
11:12get rich
11:14legally and
11:16share it with the people who need it.
11:18Well, Eliseo,
11:20at first he was not going to show any recipe.
11:22He didn't say, I'm going to tell you how
11:24I've been working since I was a kid
11:26because I created an application. He said no.
11:28The first thing he said, this money is not mine.
11:30That's why we did a paradigm shift with the
11:32Bolsa de López, which in that case was
11:34revulsive, it was 9 million dollars
11:36that someone told him,
11:38go from your house, which he had hidden in the water tank,
11:40he hid them in a convent,
11:42you remember this, right?
11:44And he said the same argument, it was not mine,
11:46this is money from the politics of someone
11:48from above, and we never knew
11:50recently. Here it gives the feeling
11:52that with less money,
11:54less in this opportunity,
11:56because here they hook it up with 200,000 dollars,
11:58but if they are going to withdraw
12:00on different trips, a more rigorous investigation will begin.
12:02I get the feeling
12:04that it is the same modus operandi,
12:06but he is a senator of the nation,
12:08he is there
12:10to provide a service
12:12to the people, to tell
12:14the people
12:16how this is,
12:18from night to morning,
12:20to be able to
12:22progress at a speed
12:24of light,
12:26to tell people,
12:28so that all the poor people of Concordia
12:30and the country take the recipe
12:32of him and several rich politicians,
12:34and that we can all be
12:36at the same level,
12:38that there is equity.
12:40What happened in Concordia? People celebrate this type of news
12:42when they see that they are
12:44plunged into poverty
12:46and these traps hook them
12:48with this money.
12:50And this
12:52in the people of Concordia
12:54causes more sadness,
12:56because many people
12:58who followed them
13:00to Bordea,
13:02to Cuéllar, who are twins,
13:04many people who voted for them,
13:06accompanied them, applauded them.
13:08Today,
13:10if they arrive on the 10th of each month,
13:12they have to be happy.
13:14There is a traceability.
13:16Imagine,
13:18they would be now, as they are now,
13:20listening to the news
13:22that their representative
13:24was arrested
13:26with money that
13:28is not known who it is,
13:30on a hot border,
13:32like the border of the city of the East.
13:34A traceability. Why Brazil
13:36and then Paraguay?
13:38We are obviously
13:40consulting sources, there is a lot of hermeticism,
13:42especially from the customs and migrations.
13:44For now there is not much there.
13:46I mean, is it known why there was this traceability?
13:48Why did he go to Brazil and then to Paraguay?
13:50Listen,
13:52I'm going to use a vulgar term.
13:54These are foxes.
13:56They are not going to be telling
13:58I'm going to Paraguay, I'm going here, I'm going there,
14:00I'm going to dodge this, I'm going to make the shrimp,
14:02I'm going to put the money with fat
14:04in the package so that the dogs don't sniff it.
14:06No, they are not telling things.
14:08They do things in the dark of the night.
14:10And luckily
14:12there were good officials
14:14who detected
14:16that this character,
14:18with that amount of money,
14:20did the procedures as they should.
14:22Well, now the latest news is that
14:24he was denied discharge
14:26due to legal risks.
14:28Look, his name appears
14:30mentioned, they say, in two criminal files.
14:32One in Concordia,
14:34where he is investigated for illegal enrichment,
14:36and another in the Federal Justice of San Isidro,
14:38for coins that a security company
14:40would have paid him to maintain contracts
14:42with various state distributions and private companies.
14:44And now the
14:46Prosecutor's Office of Economic Criminality is added,
14:48money laundering, of course, this is laundering,
14:50but where did the money come from?
14:52That's why I was thinking,
14:54maybe he used
14:56an anonymous society
14:58as a pretext for him to be part
15:00of the staff
15:02of the people, to give
15:04the origin of the funds and
15:06make a kind of laundering, the famous
15:08laundering, and the way
15:10to go to Brazil, precisely,
15:12to make the triangulation
15:14of the money, is for a
15:16exchange-type issue, because even the exchangers
15:18in Buenos Aires use a lot
15:20that type of...
15:22But Debora, there is an issue that to cross,
15:24from where he crossed
15:26to Paraguay, you have to go
15:28first to Brazil and then to Paraguay.
15:30You don't have a direct crossing from Argentina to Paraguay,
15:32that's why he goes through Brazil.
15:34That would be one of the hypotheses.
15:36The other hypothesis...
15:38From the physical.
15:40But from the point of view
15:42of the exchange route,
15:44of what the typical exchangers do
15:46here in the micro-center,
15:48they usually go where it's cheaper.
15:50Debora, the ones here make you a dollar-cable.
15:52Yes.
15:54You take $100,000, they open an account
15:56abroad, and those $100,000
15:58appear in that account abroad.
16:00Sure, with a 2%.
16:02Because they have a card, with a 2% or a 3%,
16:04they have an offer and deposit the money,
16:06generally in Uruguay or...
16:08Look, more important.
16:10Melina, I'm talking to my executive producer,
16:12they are sending me, if you want to put it later,
16:14a journalist from Entre Ríos,
16:16I thank him, tell me if you want him to mention you.
16:18Quader's last sworn statement,
16:20which is from 2020-2021.
16:22No.
16:24Strangely, in the last three years,
16:26he hasn't made a statement.
16:28When everyone gets
16:30the right to make a statement,
16:32this man...
16:34He's late with the tax payment.
16:36Exactly.
16:38In the last three years,
16:40he hasn't made a sworn statement.
16:42Let's see, Eliseo, did you have this information?
16:46Yes, we had that information.
16:48And well,
16:50I think it's another irresponsibility
16:52of the senator and those who
16:54can control him, right?
16:56At least a total negligence.
16:58Because, of course, he's playing with...
17:00A total impunity.
17:02He's playing with making a late presentation
17:04to the DGI, because it can also be done,
17:06and he pays a fine
17:08for the late statement
17:10of the sworn statements,
17:12and there he accommodates everything.
17:14I mean, it's not so badly planned.
17:16For the bad.
17:18Sorry, but it was that.
17:20I thank Arturo Darocchi, who is a journalist
17:22from Paraná, Entre Ríos.
17:24So, well,
17:26this is what you were saying, Eliseo.
17:28There it is, look, sworn statement,
17:30patrimonial, integral, public.
17:32How much does it give, in the end?
17:34Total home property,
17:36170,000, 117,000 pesos.
17:3820, 21, I don't know what it was.
17:40Of course.
17:42And then, in the end, money in cash,
17:44quantity, personal income,
17:46bla, bla, bla, 955,000 pesos.
17:48It keeps going up.
17:50Sworn statement, integral public property,
17:52income,
17:54total income,
17:56total home property, 151,000 pesos.
18:00Assets, deposits and money
18:02at the beginning of the year,
18:0420, 21, 5,455,940 pesos.
18:08Debts at the beginning of the year,
18:10it comes, let's see,
18:12we add 5, 10,
18:14income, 13,
18:16and personal expenses,
18:18put it, it gives 13 sticks, 14 sticks,
18:2014 million pesos.
18:22The only thing that surprises me there is that it has no debts.
18:24Because, in general, when these
18:26types of characters are made,
18:28because this sworn statement, that it has been the only one,
18:30and that so many years have passed
18:32without presenting, it is not...
18:34No, it is not usual.
18:36Random, it was done on purpose.
18:38Exactly.
18:40To accommodate later when it has to accommodate
18:42the worst of circumstances.
18:44Well, let's see, 20, 21,
18:46the law was not there yet.
18:48It was a lot of money in 2021.
18:50Today...
18:52Put it in green, Lucio.
18:54It would be at 80.
18:56In 2021 the dollar was...
18:58Let's google it here.
19:00Yes, I think it is in 2021,
19:02when it reached
19:04150 and...
19:06Sorry, it was going to be 210 and then it went down to 140.
19:08Well, that's why.
19:10It would be $170,000,
19:12put it.
19:14For such a heritage, it was not so important.
19:16But, as you said,
19:18it is for the bad.
19:20What I am telling you,
19:22it is all designed to close it
19:24at the time of making a defense,
19:26as I have two sworn statements
19:28where I can put together
19:30a heritage increase,
19:32Listen to this.
19:34Dollar Blue, 2021.
19:36It started the year in 165 and ended in 208.
19:38There was not so much valuation
19:40at that time.
19:42There is a secret.
19:44We are sharing these images
19:46because of a request
19:48for the lifting of the tax secret
19:50of the heritage
19:52because of what you just mentioned,
19:54this cause that is running in the federal justice
19:56of San Isidro for illicit enrichment.
19:58I wanted to ask Eliseo
20:00how long he was in charge of ENERSA,
20:02which is the energy company
20:04of the province of Entre Ríos,
20:06and what is the link
20:08he has had with this security company
20:10that appears in this cause
20:12and because from there
20:14it could be that this amount of money
20:16comes from other investments
20:18and departments that have his name.
20:20How long was Cuéida in charge of ENERSA?
20:22I explain to you,
20:24because here you do not have to mix things up.
20:26I am in the presentation
20:28of the ordinary justice
20:30here in Concordia.
20:32That is the issue that Arroyo Salgado has
20:34and I did not follow the particularities.
20:36I just want to tell you that we
20:38do not present, for example,
20:40the declaration sworn in our work
20:42and we are sanctioned.
20:44You know, Eliseo,
20:46that normal people,
20:48if suddenly for two years
20:50you do not make that presentation,
20:52they also sanction you,
20:54you have to pay a fine,
20:56that is, that is why he did it,
20:58because he was well advised,
21:00taking into account that he had planned
21:02to make this exorbitant patrimonial increase
21:04that later he was going to have to accommodate things.
21:06Info is coming, but of everything.
21:08So it is coherent.
21:10Here there is a very pointy job
21:12with people who have advised him,
21:14with professionals who have advised him,
21:16and he took advantage
21:18of his vote,
21:20of the value
21:22of his vote
21:24to increase
21:26the impunity
21:28that politicians have,
21:30he raised it to the utmost.
21:34That impunity
21:36is ending.
21:38Thank God.
21:40Hopefully it is the first of many.
21:42Thanks to the work of the Paraguayans,
21:44not of the Argentines.
21:46Thanks to the work
21:48of the Paraguayan authorities.
21:50Many times we talk
21:52about porous borders.
21:54Here, you know what? They hooked him,
21:56they grabbed him by the eyelashes.
21:58Here they put me, Eliseo,
22:00well we knew this, Cuéider,
22:02with the government of Bordet,
22:04he was secretary of government and press,
22:06right hand, and they say
22:08he would have managed
22:10the province
22:12along with his children,
22:14who should also
22:16supposedly be investigated.
22:18They put me here.
22:20Now I think you're going to try to...
22:22Let's see, Eliseo.
22:24In the Senate and in the House of Representatives
22:26there are issues
22:28that were not compatible.
22:30Like what?
22:32But I repeat, the journalist who investigated
22:34all this, the issue of the children,
22:36all that is Ricardo David.
22:38You will be able to
22:40explore in great detail because he has
22:42documentation and he was the one who
22:44started this with Cuéider when
22:46no one meddled
22:48with Cuéider. Cuéider managed a lot of money.
22:50But that's why the problem is the same, Eliseo.
22:52If they didn't hook him in Paraguay,
22:54that was under the rug,
22:56because no one dares to the power
22:58even when it is not the power of turn,
23:00but when the thing is handled
23:02soon, save to mess with me.
23:04That would be a bit of the story.
23:06As it was, and also it was, as Eliseo said well,
23:08here is a structure
23:10of professionals who
23:12advised him to have an eventual
23:14defense, because one always foresees
23:16when you are doing these lines
23:18that cross the illegality
23:20so manifest, how can I
23:22get away? So one of the
23:24ways is, as you said well,
23:26start linking the children,
23:28do shady business, but
23:30especially the sworn statements
23:32give him a terrible
23:34whitening screen.
23:36Debora, I wanted to ask you.
23:38Well, to finish.
23:40To finish my part
23:42because I have to continue with the work.
23:44Here, the political instructor
23:46of Cuéllar, Gustavo Bordel.
23:48Gustavo Bordel and Cuéllar are twins.
23:50Bordel must
23:52be responsible
23:54for the character
23:56he invented.
23:58And what I want
24:00to finish is
24:02that I make responsible
24:04the former governor of Entre Ríos,
24:06Gustavo Bordel, and the current
24:08senator, in the use
24:10of license and about to resign,
24:12Edgardo Cuéllar,
24:14for my physical integrity.
24:16It's very good.
24:18It's very good what you are doing.
24:20Excuse me,
24:22did you receive any kind of threat?
24:24No.
24:26You are curing your health.
24:28Today, with the technology
24:30that exists, they no longer dare
24:32to use even a chip
24:34on a cell phone because they are going to detect it.
24:36Exactly, where they leave their fingers marked, it comes out.
24:38I know Bordel's environment
24:40and I know Cuéllar's environment
24:42by name and last name
24:44and who are able to
24:46do unoccupied labor.
24:48I clarify it,
24:50I clarify it,
24:52because if I got into this,
24:54it's because I'm not afraid of them.
24:56Now,
24:58my family has nothing to do with this.
25:00Now what you mean is
25:02because what I
25:04am deducing is that
25:06there will be no threats here,
25:08there will be no concrete facts.
25:10That's why you say I am responsible
25:12if anything could happen to me.
25:14Because as you said,
25:16there will be no chip because everyone takes care of themselves.
25:18Then they end up making concrete facts.
25:20And I tell you, and something more dramatic,
25:22he just said,
25:24if you want to do something,
25:26do it for me, don't touch my family.
25:28But wait, nothing should happen.
25:30They should take care of you,
25:32protect you.
25:34I'm not talking about colleagues,
25:36the police, the state,
25:38exactly.
25:40Of course,
25:42my house is surrounded by cameras,
25:44I control them and
25:46I see vehicles that are not common there.
25:48In case I see someone,
25:50of course I will notify the authorities
25:52between rivers.
25:54But today,
25:56I started coming to my job walking,
25:58alone.
26:00But let's see, Eliseo, I'm going to be concrete
26:02and cold and raw.
26:04We finish the note, we turn off the camera.
26:06Tomorrow or the day after,
26:08you had an accident or you can be shot.
26:10Are you afraid of that?
26:12Yes, look, I'll give you an example.
26:14Tomorrow, I play football
26:16in a club of the professionals here in Concordia.
26:18Tomorrow, my team,
26:20which are the Blue Masters,
26:22has to play with the Reds,
26:24which is the Quader team.
26:26Quader will not be able to play
26:28because it is detained in Paraguay.
26:30What I don't want is
26:32any aggressiveness
26:34because his player
26:36is not there
26:38because of what happened.
26:40Do you play football
26:42in a championship with Quader?
26:44I play in one team
26:46and he plays in another
26:48and of course we meet in football.
26:50And you were already investigating
26:52and he knew?
26:54Yes, yes, he knew.
26:56Quader knows me very well.
26:58And what did he tell you?
27:00And what did he tell you
27:02when they met on the field?
27:04No, no, if I was on the right
27:06he told me to go to the left.
27:08Ok, he was trying to avoid you.
27:10I think he took many precautions
27:12not to say anything that could
27:14cause the loss.
27:16But what you are saying is
27:18if a bullet occasionally appears
27:20on my shoulder, you already know
27:22who is to blame.
27:24Is that what I understood correctly?
27:26Yes, yes, if something happens to me,
27:28of course,
27:30if they want to attack me,
27:32I will defend myself.
27:34I blame Gustavo Bordetti
27:36and former senator Eduardo Quader.
27:38Very clear.
27:40Well, terrible, right?
27:42Because we already have several cases.
27:44This is pure mafia, what he just said.
27:46Do you remember the ones about pornography
27:48in missions?
27:50When we talk to colleagues,
27:52if something happens to me...
27:54And apart from that,
27:56I have to say goodbye.
27:58Yes.
28:00You have access.
28:02Look at the partner
28:04in the company,
28:06his last name is Ruben,
28:08he is a relative of Eduardo Quader.
28:10The cause they have for abuse of minors
28:12I leave it to you.
28:14What is his name?
28:16Roosevelt.
28:18What is his last name?
28:20I will pass it to the producer.
28:22Eliseo, thank you.