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Ex-ISI chief Faiz Hamid charged for engaging in political activities | Khawar Ghumman's Analysis
Nadeem Afzal Chan said, "PPP is paying a very heavy price by sitting with PMLN govt."
"Faiz Hameed ko Charged karne Ka Matlab Bahut Wazeh Hai..." Hassan Ayub's Analysis
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Ex-ISI chief Faiz Hamid charged for engaging in political activities | Khawar Ghumman's Analysis
Nadeem Afzal Chan said, "PPP is paying a very heavy price by sitting with PMLN govt."
"Faiz Hameed ko Charged karne Ka Matlab Bahut Wazeh Hai..." Hassan Ayub's Analysis
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, dear viewers, welcome to the program.
00:13Once again, today is a very special day in terms of news.
00:18We will talk about it.
00:20Mr. Chaudhry Ghulam Sahin from Lahore and Hassan Ayub from Islamabad are with me.
00:24Viewers, on one hand, we are listening to the talks between the government and the opposition.
00:31Whether they will happen or not, we will talk about it.
00:33Along with that, there is a meeting of the cabinet today.
00:36And the news we are getting from there is that those who are coming to Islamabad on 26 November
00:42and those who had planned all this, will be dealt with harshly.
00:47Along with this, we are seeing that various news about the national government are now circulating.
00:54Today, Mr. Fawad Chaudhry has written a full column in Jank Akhbar.
00:59In that column, he has presented suggestions as to how a national government can be brought into existence
01:08on the basis of which we can create political stability in the country.
01:14But today's biggest story is that former DG ISI General Faiz Hameed has been formally charged.
01:25What are the charges against him? We will talk about this in the first part of our program.
01:30Viewers, first of all, let's take you.
01:33When did this story start?
01:36On 12 August 2024, there is a press release issue from the ISPR.
01:43In that, it is said that
01:45complying with the orders of the Supreme Court of Pakistan,
01:48a detailed court of inquiry was undertaken by the Pakistan Army to ascertain
01:52correctness of complaints and top city cases made against DG Faiz Hameed, retired.
01:59In that, it is said that there was a complaint from the top city management.
02:05Keeping that in mind, the investigation has been started.
02:09After that, another press release comes to us on 15 August of the same month.
02:14In connection with the field court-martial proceedings of DG Faiz Hameed,
02:20three retired officers are also in military custody for their actions prejudicial to military discipline.
02:27Three other officers who have been taken into military custody have also done something
02:35which is against military discipline.
02:38Viewers, let's move forward.
02:40Today is 10 December.
02:42There is another press release issue from the ISPR.
03:10And causing wrongful losses to a person or many persons.
03:16Viewers, we would also like to present the Urdu press statement to you.
03:21On 12 August 2024, under the provisions of the Pakistan Army Act,
03:26the proceedings of the field court-martial against DG Faiz Hameed, retired, were started.
03:31These announcements have been made by the ISPR.
03:34In the next phase of the field court-martial,
03:37DG Faiz Hameed, retired, has been charged.
03:41The ISPR is involved in political activities in these charges.
03:46It is against the Official Secret Act.
03:49It is against the protection of the state.
03:51It is against the misuse of power and government resources.
03:56It is against the misuse of power and government resources.
04:00During the field court-martial,
04:03separate investigations are also being carried out in the cases of violence and insecurity in the country.
04:13These announcements have been made by the ISPR.
04:17In the cases of violence and insecurity, the cases related to 9 May are also being investigated.
04:24It is also said that in the cases of violence and insecurity,
04:28the cases of violence and insecurity are also being investigated.
04:33During the field court-martial, DG Faiz Hameed, retired, is being given all legal rights according to the law.
04:40These are the announcements made by the ISPR today.
04:43Today's big story.
04:45Mr. Ghulam Sain, I will start with you.
04:48According to the law of Pakistan,
04:53if any state official is present at any place,
05:00whether he is a civilian or in the military,
05:03if there are evidences against him,
05:06through which he can not only be charged,
05:10but those evidences can be proved in the court of law.
05:15When I was coming to do the program, I was remembering,
05:20whatever carrots you eat, Mr. Chaudhary, what do you say?
05:23Complete it.
05:26What comment will you make on this big development today?
05:31It is okay.
05:32Whoever has done it, he will have to pay for it.
05:34When the case goes to the court,
05:36he will be given all the rights.
05:39Let him defend if he has any defense to do against these charges.
05:44And whoever has done anything wrong,
05:47whether it is me or someone else,
05:51they should be punished.
05:53There is no need for mercy in this.
05:56Viewers, obviously, since this case has started,
05:59from then onwards, from the ISPR,
06:02as we have presented three different press releases in front of you,
06:06the public is being informed about how the case is progressing.
06:09Today, I spoke to some lawyers,
06:11and in the last part of the press release of the ISPR,
06:14it has been clearly stated that
06:16during the action of Field General Code Marshall,
06:19Left General Faiz Ameed is being given all the legal rights according to the law.
06:24This has been said by the ISPR.
06:26And according to the lawyer,
06:30he can do whatever he wants.
06:35And when this hearing takes place,
06:38his family members can also witness it.
06:41Mr. Hassan Ayyub, now that this case has come to light,
06:45how long will it take?
06:48You have seen such cases.
06:51So, in this process, from August to now and onward,
06:55what do you expect?
06:56Actually, the trial will start now.
06:57First, there was a collection of evidence.
07:00Now, there are four sheets.
07:01Now, after four sheets, the case will proceed.
07:03And the case is very transparent.
07:05See, there is a strong system of accountability.
07:07But all the legal remedies are available to the accused.
07:13He can avail all the remedies.
07:15He has hired a consul of his choice.
07:17I believe, Mian Ali Shafaq Nanon.
07:19He is a young lawyer.
07:20He is also very energetic.
07:21He is a very good lawyer.
07:22He is from Lahore.
07:23Yes, he is from Lahore.
07:24So, this information is available that he has done it.
07:26But it is okay.
07:27He will have a lot of opportunity for his defense.
07:32See, you yourself have been in the army.
07:34Those who retire in the army, they are taken as a family.
07:37And even in retirement, when a person comes,
07:40even after retirement, when he comes in front,
07:42the juniors, whether they are serving,
07:44they salute him after retirement.
07:46And they take him as their elder.
07:48So, it was very difficult for the army
07:50to take General Faiz Hamid in custody.
07:52Then the charges on him.
07:54But when the evidence comes,
07:56then it is also impossible for them
07:58not to initiate proceedings on him.
08:01That is why today the Pak Army is in the best army in the world.
08:04It has discipline.
08:05It is disciplined.
08:06Now, the charges that have been filed,
08:08it means that it is very clear, Khawar Guman Sahib,
08:10that all the evidences are present.
08:14Now, despite that, they can still contest.
08:17They have this opportunity.
08:18They can have a lot of opportunities.
08:19Now, the things that are being made clear in this,
08:21one is the opportunity for the appointment of the army chief.
08:24At the time of that, the protests that will be carried out,
08:26they are also coming in this matter.
08:29That is not in the press release.
08:31No, but you have information.
08:33There are some things.
08:34That is also coming in the matter.
08:36Apart from this, Imran Khan Sahib,
08:38General Faiz Hamid was taking instructions from him.
08:41Directly.
08:42Directly.
08:43Communication was being done from the jail there.
08:45Yes, before the 9th of May,
08:47they have the mechanism.
08:49The evidence is such that
08:51whenever you take it to the court,
08:53then under the Army Act,
08:55it is a military court,
08:56then the appeal goes to the Chief of Army Staff.
08:58And then this matter can come to the High Court
09:00or the Supreme Court.
09:01Okay, if I wanted to understand this method,
09:03that the Field General Court Martial will be punished from there.
09:07Whether it will be or not,
09:08it will be decided.
09:09Whatever happens,
09:10remedies are available.
09:11First, the appeal is made to the Chief of Army Staff.
09:13Then you come to the High Court and then to the Supreme Court.
09:15So, first you have to appeal to the Army Chief.
09:18You have to appeal to the Army Chief.
09:19After that, you come.
09:20Then you come.
09:21So, this is its process.
09:22So, if the crime has been committed by General Faiz Ameed,
09:29then the person on whose instruction,
09:31then he is also a criminal.
09:33General Faiz Ameed cannot be alone.
09:35If he is involved in political activity,
09:38as the President is saying,
09:40and he has intervened in politics,
09:42then the person on whose instruction,
09:44then he also has to come in between.
09:45So, this is,
09:46if a person,
09:48who has retired from the position of a three-star,
09:50who is an elder in the family,
09:52that is, he is considered to be an elder,
09:54if he is also coming into this strict system of accountability,
09:57then I think no one should get permission for this.
10:00Viewers, let's move forward.
10:02What Hassan just said,
10:04regarding the interference in political matters,
10:07Pakistan is obviously a history of ours,
10:10political,
10:11and there are various incidents in it.
10:13And you know one famous incident of the time,
10:16that when the IJI was formed in 1990,
10:19the money that was used in it,
10:21that case,
10:22the famous Asghar Khan case,
10:24it was decided in October 2012,
10:28then obviously,
10:29the order was given to the IFI,
10:31that you are doing this,
10:32the money that has been distributed,
10:34so regarding that case,
10:35today,
10:36the Aini Bench,
10:37heard the case again,
10:40that what is the status of its implementation,
10:42whatever happened in the Supreme Court,
10:44we will keep it in front of you, viewers.
10:47The Asghar Khan case was heard in the Supreme Court.
10:50The Supreme Court,
10:51in the Asghar Khan case,
10:52in the sensitive institutions,
10:53asked for a report to end the political cell.
10:57The court ordered the additional attorney general
10:59to submit the answer of the Ministry of Defense.
11:02The political cell was ended in the sensitive institutions,
11:05after the Asghar Khan case was decided.
11:09The additional attorney general told the court,
11:11this means,
11:12there were political cells in the sensitive institutions,
11:15Justice Musarrat Halali commented on this.
11:18The FIA has closed the inquiry in the Asghar Khan case.
11:21The additional attorney general told the court,
11:24has the distribution of money in the political cells been recovered?
11:29Justice Hassan Azhar Rizvi questioned there.
11:33There are big political names,
11:34in which the allegation of money distribution was put.
11:37And after that,
11:39as Justice Rizvi told there,
11:42there was no evidence of money distribution in the FIA inquiry.
11:46This was told by the additional attorney general.
11:49The work of the FIA was done.
11:55Justice Mando Khail also questioned there.
11:58Did the head of the sensitive institutions,
12:00give a partial statement of the end of the political cell,
12:03Justice Mando Khail?
12:05If he did not take a partial statement earlier,
12:08then take a partial statement from the head of the sensitive institutions today.
12:11Justice Jamal Khan Mando Khail gave a statement.
12:15He gave his remarks there.
12:17The FIA should reassure the court,
12:19that it has acted on the court decision.
12:22This was also said by Justice Mando Khail there.
12:24The court has requested the Ministry of Defense report,
12:27and submitted the case.
12:30At this time, the current Secretary General of Pakistan Justice,
12:34he fought this case.
12:36He was also present there.
12:43He said that information was available about the cell.
12:47If we can show you all the news at that time.
12:51This was kept in the National Assembly.
12:53All the information from the Pakistan People's Party.
12:56I remember when it was published,
12:59you can see all the details.
13:01Respected Tahiyyat Qaid,
13:03Nawaz Sharif,
13:05he also got 3.5 million.
13:07But in the FIA inquiry report,
13:09it is said that he did not get any such amount.
13:13So this is the whole matter.
13:15Mr. Chaudhry Gulam Sain,
13:17you followed this case.
13:19In 1990,
13:21I and Hassan were not yet admitted to school.
13:23So what was this case?
13:25In 1990,
13:27General Asad Durrani and General Beg,
13:29had also submitted the affidavit.
13:31It was a Mehran Bank scandal.
13:33A lot of money was distributed.
13:35You covered it.
13:37I remember you did the reporting.
13:39No, no.
13:41This incident is 100% factual.
13:43The big politicians,
13:45the Air Force,
13:47went to court against them.
13:49That has not happened yet.
13:51Because the people who have been charged,
13:53they are coming from big offices,
13:55from that time.
13:57And they are being looted and charged.
13:59And they are being removed.
14:01And they are being acquitted.
14:03So there are two or three standards.
14:05But it is a fact that
14:07many people were distributed
14:09lakhs and crores of rupees.
14:11Some were given 5 lakhs,
14:13some were given 37 lakhs,
14:15some were given 35 lakhs,
14:17some were given 17 lakhs.
14:19So as you said,
14:21the name of the person
14:23has been mentioned.
14:253, 6, 5 million.
14:27Yes.
14:29And then
14:31Osama Bin Laden was also
14:33removed from Saudi Arabia.
14:35So all these scandals have happened.
14:37But you, because you have
14:39closed your eyes on that side.
14:41There is only one side.
14:43Yes, all these names are written.
14:45Yes, yes.
14:47They have also threatened
14:49the journalists to be killed.
14:51I don't know
14:53if they have any guns there.
14:55I don't understand
14:57why they are doing all this
14:59from a cell of 8 feet by 10 feet.
15:01I don't understand.
15:03But the people who gave the money,
15:05apart from Abdullah Hussain
15:07or one or the other,
15:09no one has returned the money.
15:11And no action has been taken against them
15:13till date.
15:15Okay.
15:17Have you read the judgment or not?
15:19It was in the name of Makhdoom Javed Hashmi.
15:21What?
15:23It was in the name of Makhdoom Javed Hashmi.
15:25It was in the name of Makhdoom Javed Hashmi.
15:27Mr. Chaudhary had covered the case.
15:29This list is with you.
15:31No, you had covered it.
15:33It was in the name of Khwajusahin Ahmed.
15:35Have you read the case?
15:37I will say that
15:39Hassan, unless proven guilty,
15:41accuses innocent.
15:43Okay.
15:45If the inquiry report says
15:47that he is not guilty,
15:49there is no evidence.
15:51He has been accused.
15:53So he has to be proven guilty.
15:55Acquisition has come.
15:57They have given the banner
15:59that he is accused and he has taken the money.
16:01Now the question is
16:03whether he was proven guilty.
16:05The Supreme Court judgment
16:07has clearly stated that
16:09the elections of 1990 were manipulated.
16:11They were polluted.
16:13Okay, I agree.
16:15But if we talk about the guilty person,
16:17Mr. Nawaz Sharif,
16:19I am basically...
16:21Mr. Chaudhary, let me talk.
16:23No, no, sir.
16:25It has been a long time
16:27since I heard this case.
16:29I have heard this case
16:31100 or 200 times.
16:33It was always the case in the Supreme Court.
16:35Okay, you have to accuse someone.
16:37You can do it once, twice,
16:39100 times.
16:41But you have to prove it.
16:43You can accuse Mr. Nawaz Sharif a thousand times.
16:45If he is guilty,
16:47you can accuse him.
16:49But if you are taking the name of Mr. Nawaz Sharif,
16:51why do you take the name of the co-accused?
16:53Take the name of the rest.
16:55Sir, this is the judgment.
16:57Mr. Chaudhary has written this
16:59detailed judgment.
17:01This is from October 1910.
17:03This is from 2012.
17:05This is a detailed judgment.
17:07It is worth reading.
17:09You should read it.
17:11It is important to learn.
17:13Do you remember Mr. Yunus Habib?
17:15So, dear viewers,
17:17one more case has been heard
17:19in the Supreme Court today.
17:21Let me tell you about it.
17:23In the Supreme Court,
17:25on 9th May,
17:27a request to form a Judicial Commission
17:29has been heard.
17:31The Supreme Court,
17:33on 9th May,
17:35has terminated the requests of the Registrar's Office.
17:37The court has been ordered to
17:39appoint Bani PTI's request
17:41for hearing.
17:43If the request has been heard,
17:45then only the responsibility
17:47will be fixed by Justice Musarrat Halali.
17:49The Judicial Commission's report
17:51will not affect the case.
17:53How is the request under the
17:55General Interest?
17:57The Attorney General has raised
17:59the question there.
18:01Now, only the Registrar's Office's
18:03objections are being terminated
18:05by Justice Aminuddin Khan's remarks.
18:07The case has not been heard yet.
18:09We will hear you.
18:11This is a legal matter.
18:13The courts decide on it.
18:15Justice Jamal Mandokhil.
18:17This was also an important case.
18:19Let's take a short break.
18:21After the break,
18:23we will talk about the
18:25differences between
18:27Pakistan People's Party and
18:29Pakistan Muslim League Noon.
18:31There are some concerns
18:33in Punjab.
18:35They are not being addressed.
18:37How serious are they?
18:39We will ask them.
18:43How serious are the matters
18:45with Pakistan Muslim League Noon?
18:47What are the concerns?
18:49Stay with us.
18:55Welcome back.
18:57Mr. Nadeem Afzal Chand,
18:59former Minister,
19:01Chairman, PSE,
19:03Pakistan People's Party,
19:05PTI,
19:07and other MPs.
19:09What are the political
19:11developments in Pakistan?
19:15Mr. Chand,
19:17Pakistan People's Party
19:19is not a part of the government.
19:21The impression is that
19:23the President of Pakistan,
19:25Chairman of Senate,
19:27Deputy Speaker,
19:29and two government officials
19:31are in power in Balochistan and Sindh.
19:33Yet, you act as if
19:35we are the opposition.
19:37Don't do this, Mr. Chand.
19:39You are a Governor.
19:41Mr. Govind,
19:43thank you for inviting me.
19:45A government is a government
19:47when you are a part of
19:49the executive authority,
19:51when you are a part of
19:53the cabinet.
19:55Then you are a part of the government.
19:57We are not a part of the government
19:59till now.
20:01In Punjab's government,
20:03we are not a part of the government.
20:05Although our members
20:07have voted for Mr. Mariam,
20:09but the situation
20:11regarding the People's Party
20:13is not such
20:15that we are a part of the government.
20:17As for the policy-making,
20:19whatever policy
20:21this country is making,
20:23whatever it is,
20:25be it financial,
20:27agricultural,
20:29I don't think
20:31we are a part of the government.
20:33We are a part of the party.
20:35Mr. Chand,
20:37tell us,
20:39we invited the Governor
20:41to our program.
20:43He keeps saying
20:45that he has requested
20:47the Chief Minister
20:49to give him some time
20:51to discuss some things.
20:53I think you had an agreement
20:55with the Punjab government
20:57regarding your concerns.
20:59Mr. Mariam,
21:01why don't you meet
21:03your representatives
21:05in Lahore?
21:07I was a part
21:09of the Punjab-level
21:11Coordination Committee.
21:13To form a dialogue
21:15with the government,
21:17a committee was formed
21:19consisting of Mr. Sadiq,
21:21Mr. Ishaq Dar,
21:23Mr. Tarar,
21:25Mr. Malik Khan,
21:27Mr. Kehra,
21:29Mr. Murad Ali Shah,
21:33Mr. Zahri,
21:35and Mr. Baadur Khan Sehar.
21:37We were 5-6 members,
21:39and Mr. Saeed Jani.
21:41When the committee
21:43was being formed,
21:45there was a detailed discussion
21:47and an agreement
21:49regarding Punjab.
21:51There were things
21:53like policy making,
21:55consultation with the
21:57people's party,
21:59boards,
22:01and many other things.
22:03Punjab's main
22:05agreement was
22:07to hold a local
22:09committee election within a year.
22:11We had ensured
22:13that within a year,
22:15we would make a system
22:17that would be effective
22:19and the people's party
22:21would be on board.
22:23After that,
22:25there was an agreement
22:27regarding our bureaucracy.
22:29There would be a consultation
22:31and we would not make any
22:33recommendations,
22:35but we would share
22:37the political input
22:39with the people's party.
22:41The rest of the work
22:43that we have done
22:45with the police,
22:47we do not want any interference.
22:49It is the job of the civil
22:51police and the police.
22:53As far as the authorities
22:55are concerned,
22:57we want to launch
22:59a new project
23:01with a political impact.
23:03In that, we will also
23:05take the people's party on board.
23:07Unfortunately,
23:09they did not fulfill
23:11any of our demands.
23:13That is why
23:15I do not consider myself
23:17a member of the committee.
23:19Chaudhary Ghulam Sain
23:21from Lahore wants to ask you a question.
23:23Chaudhary Ghulam Sain,
23:25please.
23:27Nadeem Afzal Chanki
23:29is a public figure
23:31with a political attitude.
23:33He is afraid of those
23:35whom he considers right
23:37and speaks against those
23:39whom he considers wrong.
23:41Having said this,
23:43the people's party
23:45as a part of the government
23:47is a black sheep.
23:49Whether you accept
23:51his responsibility or not,
23:53you cannot get away from that.
23:55Mr. Chanki,
23:57Mr. Chanki,
23:59Mr. Chanki,
24:01Mr. Chanki,
24:03Mr. Chanki,
24:05Mr. Chanki,
24:07Mr. Chanki,
24:09Mr. Chanki,
24:11Mr. Chanki,
24:13Mr. Chanki,
24:15Mr. Chanki,
24:17Mr. Chanki,
24:19Mr. Chanki,
24:21Mr. Chanki,
24:23Mr. Chanki,
24:25Mr. Chanki,
24:27Mr. Chanki,
24:29Mr. Chanki,
24:31Mr. Chanki,
24:33Mr. Chanki,
24:35Mr. Chanki,
24:37Mr. Chanki,
24:39Mr. Chanki,
24:41Mr. Chanki,
24:43Mr. Chanki,
24:45Mr. Chanki,
24:47Mr. Chanki,
24:49Mr. Chanki,
24:51Mr. Chanki,
24:53Mr. Chanki,
24:55Mr. Chanki,
24:57Mr. Chanki,
24:59Mr. Chanki,
25:01Mr. Chanki,
25:03Mr. Chanki,
25:05Mr. Chanki,
25:07Mr. Chanki,
25:09Mr. Chanki,
25:11Mr. Chanki,
25:13Mr. Chanki,
25:15Mr. Chanki,
25:17Mr. Chanki,
25:19Mr. Chanki,
25:21Mr. Chanki,
25:23Mr. Chanki,
25:25Mr. Chanki,
25:27Mr. Chanki,
25:29Mr. Chanki,
25:31Mr. Chanki,
25:33Mr. Chanki,
25:35Mr. Chanki,
25:37Mr. Chanki,
25:39Mr. Chanki,
25:41Mr. Chanki,
25:43Mr. Chanki,
25:45Mr. Chanki,
25:47Mr. Chanki,
25:49Mr. Chanki,
25:51Mr. Chanki,
25:53Mr. Chanki,
25:55Mr. Chanki,
25:57Mr. Chanki,
25:59Mr. Chanki,
26:01Mr. Chanki,
26:03Mr. Chanki,
26:05Mr. Chanki,
26:07Mr. Chanki,
26:09Mr. Chanki,
26:11Mr. Chanki,
26:13Mr. Chanki,
26:15Mr. Chanki,
26:17Mr. Chanki,
26:19Mr. Chanki,
26:21Mr. Chanki,
26:23Mr. Chanki,
26:25Mr. Chanki,
26:27Mr. Chanki,
26:29Mr. Chanki,
26:31Mr. Chanki,
26:33Mr. Chanki,
26:35Mr. Chanki,
26:37Mr. Chanki,
26:39Mr. Chanki,
26:41Mr. Chanki,
26:43Mr. Chanki,
26:45Mr. Chanki,
26:47Mr. Chanki,
26:49Mr. Chanki,
26:51Mr. Chanki,
26:53Mr. Chanki,
26:55Mr. Chanki,
26:57Mr. Chanki,
26:59Mr. Chanki,
27:01Mr. Chanki,
27:03Mr. Chanki,
27:05Mr. Chanki,
27:07Mr. Chanki,
27:09Mr. Chanki,
27:11Mr. Chanki,
27:13Mr. Chanki,
27:15Mr. Chanki,
27:17Mr. Chanki,
27:19Mr. Chanki,
27:21Mr. Chanki,
27:23Mr. Chanki,
27:25Mr. Chanki,
27:27Mr. Chanki,
27:29Mr. Chanki,
27:31I don't know if the party agrees with this or if there should be a debate on this.
27:36But the challenges of the country, especially in the context of Balochistan, KPK, FATA and terrorism,
27:42I think it is a matter of national thinking.
27:46I don't say government, I say it is a matter of national thinking.
27:50And if we have to make a national government, there is no harm in that.
27:53And we can see that the country cannot afford this fight.
27:56We should sit down and discuss the crisis of this country.
28:01And we should trust all stakeholders.
28:04When all stakeholders are on board, it is certain that the situation of this country will change in six months.
28:11Otherwise, this country is still a government in the era of fighting and killing.
28:16You make me the prime minister, I will also run this country.
28:18You make the national youth, you become anyone.
28:21This is a big challenge.
28:23I understand that the people's party can play such a role.
28:28What is the outcome of yesterday's meeting?
28:30Mr. Chaudhary is asking if there was a meeting with the PM of Punjab yesterday.
28:34It is a meeting of the Coordination Committee.
28:36It will be held again on the 24th.
28:38The agreements we had with them, or with Mr. Maulana, or with other things,
28:44these things have been discussed.
28:46With regards to legislation and many other things.
28:50So it will continue.
28:52But now I think that running the national affairs,
28:57and the terrorism that is being committed at the moment.
29:00Mr. Nadeem, there was a very famous thing of yours,
29:02there was a saying, that the story has already been told.
29:04So what do you think, has the story been told?
29:06The story has already been told.
29:08Mr. President, this is a great opportunity for politics.
29:12Mr. Nadeem Zafar, Mr. Afzal Chand, thank you very much.
29:15You always talk.
29:16He talked about national thinking.
29:18He also talked about the national government.
29:20If it has to be made, then there is no problem in it.
29:22Everyone should move forward.
29:24And I think the character of the Pakistan People's Party can hold a lot of importance.
29:28It is said that it is the king of ambiguity.
29:30At the moment, the President of Pakistan is also there.
29:32God willing, things will go smoothly.
29:34We have to go to the break.
29:36After the break, we will talk.
29:38Viewers, a five-member committee was formed on the issue of jokes.
29:40From the side of Mr. Tehreek-e-Insaf.
29:42Has he received any answer yet from the government?
29:46Is there any expected answer from the government?
29:48We will talk after the break.
29:54Welcome back.
29:55Viewers, all the sane elements in Pakistan,
29:58who obviously think of understanding,
30:00they are saying that
30:02the way the political struggle is going on in Pakistan at the moment,
30:06if these matters remain,
30:08economic stability cannot be created in the country.
30:12If you look at the columns,
30:14Don, Jung, Dunia,
30:16any newspaper of Pakistan,
30:18mainstream television channels,
30:20you will find only one thing from there,
30:22that the political temperature in the country needs to be lowered.
30:26Now, recently,
30:28a few days ago,
30:30a five-member committee was formed.
30:32And what we heard yesterday,
30:34Mr. Umar Ayub,
30:36there is news about him that
30:38he might become the chairman of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
30:40He said,
30:42we are ready to meet anyone,
30:44whether it is a human being or an angel.
30:46First, let's listen to his statement.
31:02He said, we are ready to meet,
31:04but now,
31:06complaining,
31:08we have not contacted anyone,
31:10how can we meet?
31:28Mr. Rana Sanala,
31:30is the senior leader of the Pakistan Muslim League.
31:32He is expressing his views on this issue.
31:38He has also decided that
31:40this committee will talk about these two issues.
31:42Both the issues are not negotiable.
31:44The condition they have put,
31:46how can we discuss it?
31:50He is saying,
31:52how can we discuss these conditions?
31:54Mr. Akeel is saying,
31:56give us everything in one moment,
31:58on one occasion,
32:00so that we can see who we can talk to,
32:02who we cannot talk to.
32:04The government wants to engage.
32:06Yes, but some TORs will be decided.
32:08If you think that
32:10there are some people,
32:12who are political prisoners,
32:14prepare a list of them.
32:16Like you have prepared a white paper,
32:18and you have also prepared the excel sheets,
32:20regarding the election results.
32:22Who is the trusted person?
32:24There is a senior leadership,
32:26but we are also seeing that
32:28we are talking to our allies,
32:30and when we talk to them,
32:32we will try to
32:34across the board.
32:36You are saying that
32:38the Pakistan People's Party
32:40should also play a role in this.
32:42Yes, they should play a role.
32:44Especially the Pakistan People's Party.
32:46Mr. Talal Chaudhary
32:48is talking about the joint agenda.
32:52Get yourself out of this frame of mind,
32:54and accept this reality,
32:56that in Pakistan,
32:58a government has been formed
33:00for the next five years.
33:02It is going on.
33:04Political stability,
33:06has come to a standstill.
33:08Despite this, the PTI has
33:10tried everything,
33:12and after that,
33:14the 26th amendment has been done.
33:16And now, according to the situation,
33:18if you straighten your mind,
33:20then there is no harm in talking.
33:22But,
33:24you cannot talk like this,
33:26that you give the agenda in advance,
33:28and if you want to do it,
33:30then do it.
33:32A common agenda should be decided
33:34on both sides,
33:36and then we can talk.
33:38Mr. Chaudhary,
33:40Pakistan Tariq-e-Ishaq
33:42is talking about civil disobedience.
33:44They are also threatening
33:46that if these demands are not met,
33:48then they will do this.
33:50On the other hand,
33:52we see that Maulana Sahib
33:54has just left,
33:56what do you think,
33:58what news do you have?
34:00Yesterday you said that
34:02negotiations are taking place,
34:04and the negotiations will reach
34:06a logical conclusion.
34:08The statements you heard
34:10by the government people,
34:12and the former senior leader
34:14of Pakistan Tariq-e-Ishaq,
34:16he said that there has been
34:18no contact yet.
34:20Then how will
34:22the negotiations proceed?
34:24If you give another call,
34:26then you will not have
34:28anything left
34:30to face those
34:32marching people.
34:34Therefore, it is better
34:36to sit at the table,
34:38finish the conversation,
34:40and take the matter forward.
34:42But they are not coming to that side.
34:44And the rest, whose statements
34:46you are quoting,
34:48all of them are very respectable to me.
34:50But these are the people
34:52who are sitting outside.
34:54Those who have
34:56some mainstream work,
34:58who have issues,
35:00or who have a fight,
35:02they have nothing
35:04to do with it.
35:06No, and if I ask you,
35:08that there is no time,
35:10you tell me,
35:12suppose, in a week, 10 days,
35:14a month, will this matter
35:16move forward?
35:18This will happen very soon.
35:20What do you mean by days, weeks, months?
35:22Days and weeks.
35:24Days and weeks, very good.
35:26What news do you have?
35:28You are smiling.
35:30You are telling me to look
35:32at the wall.
35:34It was written on the wall
35:36that one session of Sunni
35:38unity.
35:40Listen to me.
35:42The day the session was found,
35:44the judge said that
35:46the youth will not be able
35:48to vote.
35:50I am telling you,
35:52Babar, I am telling you,
35:54Babar, if you say that
35:56those who have voted
35:58will not get a seat,
36:00and those who have not voted
36:02will have to give it,
36:04then according to Islam,
36:06the law and the constitution,
36:08give me an answer.
36:10Babar, look, the parliament
36:12has made a law.
36:14Go to the parliament.
36:16Look, what is happening now,
36:18the discussion,
36:20there should be a discussion.
36:22I was saying yesterday that
36:24discussions cannot be conditional.
36:26The parties have to keep their
36:28conditions.
36:30No, they have to sit,
36:32but they have to sit.
36:34What is the news?
36:36They will not sit conditionally.
36:38If they sit with an open mind,
36:40they can find a way.
36:42The second thing is that
36:44your final call has failed.
36:46Your protest could not
36:48be held here.
36:50You have run away from here.
36:52You have to come to the
36:54discussion table.
36:56You cannot come with a threat.
36:58You have to come to the
37:00discussion table quickly.
37:02You have to find a solution
37:04to the problem with political wisdom.
37:06You should not say that
37:08we will sit if this happens,
37:10otherwise we will not talk.
37:12At the end of the day,
37:14when Mr. Bhutto
37:16negotiated with India,
37:18after the war,
37:20he brought his land back
37:22from India.
37:24No matter how you go,
37:26negotiations always
37:28work.
37:30I don't know what
37:32Mr. Khawar is discussing.
37:34My hands are up.
37:36The producer is insisting
37:38that we ask Mr. Chaudhary
37:40whether the negotiations
37:42will be conditional or unconditional.
37:44It has been unconditional.
37:46Viewers,
37:48I hope you enjoyed our program.
37:50That's all for today.
37:52See you tomorrow.
37:54Allah Hafiz.