" Baani PTI Ko Nikaal Den Ge To Un Ke Baghair Siyasi Istehkaam Kaisay Aaye Ga " Fawad Chaudhry
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00:00Do you agree that this is not a popular thing, especially for the PTI camp?
00:05When you repeatedly say that Mr. Khan should be convinced that I won't take anything from a political opponent,
00:12then you will be asked, have you taken a new envelope from Nawaz Sharif?
00:15What is this? What is this? What is this narrative?
00:17The video that you are talking about, in which Bushra Bibi gave a powerful message
00:21that Mr. Khan has taken a lesson from Islam, that he does not want to take revenge by sitting in jail.
00:25After that, I spoke to two or three people from the PTI.
00:27They clearly said that yes, this message is definitely for the community, that they will not take any revenge.
00:33But they will not leave Nawaz Sharif, they will not leave him.
00:36It's not like that.
00:38No, no, I think that message is for everyone, there is no issue in that.
00:43But in my opinion, the practical steps in this,
00:46I have written a column yesterday and I have explained to the national government,
00:50I think that if it is made for a year and these buffers are created,
00:55that you parties create a system that what is going to happen to your politics
01:01and the establishment also has to participate in it,
01:04so one way is that,
01:05there will be more in the minds of people,
01:07that how these buffers can be created, how they can be done,
01:10but the most important thing is that,
01:12first the temperature should come down,
01:14if the temperature is so high,
01:17that inside it, as you just said,
01:20that you will not crush the opponents,
01:23this is unpopular.
01:24So you can guess how high the temperature is.
01:27And there are reasons,
01:29see the way Noon League is doing it,
01:31I found it very interesting,
01:33Mr. Dar, he said that,
01:35we did not tell anyone to do the paper and put it inside.
01:39See, what is not happening in your time,
01:42you should not close your eyes like this,
01:44if you have not said, then those who have said,
01:47then go and request them to do a favor.
01:49So today they have said the whole thing,
01:51you have heard the part of his speech,
01:54where he said,
01:55people like me,
01:56you did that on 9th May,
01:58and on 26th you did another 9th May,
02:00that people like me should do something,
02:02as long as their consent is not there.
02:04The matter is over,
02:05what will they say openly?
02:07No, absolutely,
02:08but on the other hand,
02:10like Faisal Wada, our friend,
02:12he repeatedly puts this thing,
02:14that the government wants to put all this work in the account of the establishment,
02:18and wants to enjoy the office itself.
02:20So this is also not right,
02:22that you put all the work in the account of the establishment,
02:26and leave from Patli Gali yourself,
02:28this is also a strategy.
02:30On a lighter side,
02:31in the next few days,
02:32I want to go to the talk show,
02:33Bawad Chaudhary,
02:34Ishaq Darsahab,
02:35is coming on the show,
02:36after your statement.
02:38No, no,
02:39there is no such thing,
02:40Darsahab is a very likeable person,
02:42and when he spoke to us,
02:44he contributed very well.
02:47But in my opinion,
02:49it is wrong to say that only the establishment is responsible,
02:52this is also not right,
02:54and of course,
02:55nothing can be done without their consent,
02:57there is also a weight in this debate,
02:59but whatever it is,
03:00in my opinion,
03:01whatever our big characters are,
03:04Nawaz Sharif,
03:05Imran Khan,
03:06the establishment,
03:07Mr. Zardari,
03:08these are four big characters,
03:10and now I think,
03:11Munana Fazl Rahman cannot be ignored either.
03:14These are five people,
03:15if these five people discuss,
03:17then something will come out.
03:18If one or two people are missing,
03:20then the discussion will not be fun.
03:22Okay,
03:23now let's come to your suggestion,
03:25which you are also saying,
03:26national government,
03:27a long time ago,
03:28our friend was telling from Islamabad,
03:29that there is talk of national government,
03:30national government,
03:31so I say in response,
03:32that brother,
03:33what is it now?
03:34Is there no national government now?
03:35Everyone is in power,
03:36except for PTI,
03:37or you can also add Mr. Maulana.
03:38So if there is a national government,
03:40then there will be only one difference in that setup and that setup,
03:42that in that,
03:43PTI will also have a shareholder in some way or the other,
03:45or there will be a shareholder of their consent,
03:46that's it, isn't it?
03:47So,
03:48at this time,
03:49the system,
03:50the establishment,
03:51PTI,
03:52the government's share,
03:53is it ready to be made in any way?
03:55So,
03:5670% of the country's population,
03:57if PTI is not included,
03:59then 70% of Pakistan is not included,
04:01in the government,
04:02then 30% of the people are in government,
04:04and if you add Mr. Maulana,
04:06then the matter becomes completely different.
04:09So,
04:10one province is completely gone,
04:11so the current government,
04:13can never be called a national government,
04:15it can be called the government of the elected people.
04:18And,
04:19National government in the sense that all the political parties,
04:21are sitting in the government,
04:23as if they are sitting in the government.
04:24Minus PTI.
04:26Political parties,
04:28if you make a political party of one person,
04:30then it is not bad,
04:32it is a matter of representation, isn't it?
04:33It's like,
04:34PTI versus rest,
04:36Pakistan's politics.
04:37And as long as Imran Khan's political status is not accepted,
04:41he is not included,
04:43how can it be useful?
04:44Tell me some common sense,
04:46that Imran Khan,
04:47with whom such a big,
04:49mass of Pakistan is standing right now,
04:51if he is removed,
04:52how will there be a revolution without him?
04:54So, what is your experience of a national government?
04:56What should be done?
04:57What exactly?
04:58What should be done?
04:59What is the effect of it?
05:00See, my advice is that,
05:01you keep the government of the elected people,
05:03because Mr. Nawaz Sharif,
05:05wants to keep Mrs. Maryam,
05:07and he wants her to be successful.
05:09In KP,
05:10there is PTI,
05:11in Sindh, there is a People's Party,
05:12so equally,
05:13there are fairly distributed governments.
05:15Okay.
05:16After that,
05:17all three of you,
05:18the big leaders,
05:19along with them,
05:20along with Mr. Rehman,
05:21one person,
05:22you,
05:23the Prime Minister,
05:24choose him.
05:25And the Parliament should approve this system.
05:27For nine months,
05:28this power should run.
05:29In that,
05:30the ECP should be established.
05:31In that,
05:32the amendments about the judiciary,
05:34should be done by a unanimous vote.
05:36And after that,
05:37in the twelfth month,
05:38after this election,
05:39the elections that you win,
05:41you will get one year,
05:42you will rule together,
05:43you will run the IMF program,
05:45you will sign off all of it.
05:48With that,
05:49the temperature will come down a little,
05:51everyone will get a chance,
05:53to re-establish their politics.
05:55And,
05:56the rest,
05:57you can do what you want.
05:58And,
05:59how close do you think,
06:00this proposal is to reality?
06:02In my opinion,
06:03this is a very agreeable proposal.
06:05Because,
06:06even Mr. Khan,
06:07needs six to eight months,
06:09to regroup the party.
06:11Because,
06:12the current party,
06:13is not Mr. Khan's party.
06:16This party is for strangers.
06:18Majority of people,
06:19don't even know Mr. Khan.
06:21So,
06:22even Mr. Khan needs six to eight months.
06:24And,
06:25Nawaz Sharif,
06:26and Mr. Zardari,
06:27will get a chance to regroup their parties.
06:29But,
06:30you are saying it is agreeable,
06:31how will it happen?
06:32You are telling Noorlik,
06:33that he himself,
06:34should remove Mr. Shahbaz Sharif,
06:35from the Ministry of Finance,
06:37and nominate someone,
06:39on whom,
06:40Mr. Khan,
06:41will also agree.
06:42Why will Noorlik agree?
06:43How will it be agreeable?
06:45Look,
06:46I am saying,
06:47if you think,
06:48that the system is working properly,
06:50and everything is fine,
06:51the economy is back,
06:52the politics are fine,
06:54then there is no need for negotiations.
06:56Then,
06:57let it go on like this.
06:58And,
06:59wait for the disaster to hit you.
07:01And,
07:02if you think,
07:03that no,
07:04the politics of Pakistan,
07:05needs to be restricted,
07:06the economy of Pakistan,
07:07needs to be restricted,
07:08then there is no need for negotiations.
07:09If you had seen Imran Khan,
07:10in the last two years,
07:11you would have made him,
07:12a political alternate.
07:13But,
07:14you didn't.
07:15On the contrary,
07:16if you look at Imran Khan's,
07:17polls in 2021,
07:18and polls in 2024,
07:19then,
07:20there is no debate between you and me,
07:21that Imran Khan,
07:22is much more popular,
07:23than he was in 2021.
07:24If,
07:25we think,
07:26that without Imran Khan,
07:27the politics can work,
07:28then,
07:29look,
07:30I am out of the debate.
07:31Because,
07:32I don't think,
07:33it can't work.
07:34Imran Khan,
07:35is an integral part of,
07:36Pakistan politics.
07:37Sometimes,
07:38we call it,
07:39a military coup.
07:40But,
07:41Imran Khan,
07:42is not running,
07:43a civilian court.
07:44Look,
07:45at the way,
07:46the judge is sitting.
07:47You should go and see,
07:48how the judge is sitting,
07:49like a cat,
07:50that will eat him.
07:51So,
07:52the situation,
07:53right now,
07:54there is no end to it.
07:55You are waiting,
07:56for the disaster,
07:57to not hit,
07:58while we are sitting.
07:59If you are sitting,
08:00then,
08:01we can't do anything.
08:02And,
08:03if I say this,
08:04it is fine,
08:05that this is your opinion,
08:06but,
08:07you have told it,
08:08with arguments,
08:09that,
08:10it is an integral part,
08:11of the system,
08:12and,
08:13the system can't run,
08:14without it.
08:15If I say this,
08:16do you agree or not?
08:17Should it be like this or not?
08:18I am not debating this.
08:19That,
08:20right now,
08:21the system's thinking,
08:22is exactly the opposite.
08:23That,
08:24it can't run,
08:25with them.
08:26They are,
08:27the country's representatives.
08:28And,
08:29whatever has to be done,
08:30has to be done,
08:31without them.
08:32Does this thinking,
08:33exist?
08:34Look,
08:35we should have,
08:36made an alternate,
08:37for Imran Khan.
08:38That didn't happen.
08:39So,
08:40how much more time,
08:41do you want to spend?
08:42You can spend,
08:436 more months.
08:44You can spend,
08:458 more months.
08:46The more time,
08:47you spend,
08:48the closer,
08:49you get to the disaster.
08:50So,
08:51in my opinion,
08:52I am telling you,
08:53that,
08:54in my opinion,
08:55the prevailing thinking,
08:56is this,
08:57that,
08:58there is no problem,
08:59we have finished,
09:00the street force,
09:01so,
09:02it should continue like this.
09:03The street power,
09:04should continue like this.
09:05But,
09:06it is obvious,
09:07that there is a need,
09:08for change.
09:09And,
09:10all the politicians,
09:11in the government,
09:12when they meet us,
09:13privately,
09:14their thinking,
09:15is the same.
09:16And,
09:17they understand,
09:18that the country,
09:19is not doing well.
09:20And,
09:21there is a need,
09:22to bring this,
09:23back on track.
09:24Now,
09:25it is obvious,
09:26that how much,
09:27they can do,
09:28and how much,
09:29they can't do,
09:30this is obvious,
09:31you know better than me.