đ La defensa y la fiscalĂa han presentado sus argumentos ante un jurado que ahora se prepara para deliberar. La fiscalĂa sostiene que Del RĂo tenĂa un mĂłvil financiero para cometer el crimen, mientras que la defensa cuestiona la evidencia presentada. El veredicto debe ser unĂĄnime para ser vĂĄlido.
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00:00The allegations of the prosecution and the defense have just come to an end.
00:05The defense, let's remember, is in charge of Dr. Monica Chiribin, the same lawyer of Laudelina PeĂąa.
00:11Now there is an intermediate court in these moments.
00:14What is happening in that intermediate court?
00:16They are going to explain to the 12 members of the popular jury
00:22what the mechanics are that they must adopt at the time of deliberation and then present the verdict.
00:28Then they are going to take a time of deliberation between everyone.
00:32That time will be prior to the verdict.
00:36The 12 members must agree.
00:39That is, for there to be a condemnatory verdict,
00:44the 12 jurors must agree that Martin Del Rio is precisely the culprit for the murder of his parents.
00:53If it is not unanimous, the jury, the trial, goes back.
00:59It does not go forward and today there will be no verdict and much less sentence against Martin Del Rio.
01:06Look at what an open ending Gabriel presents to us.
01:08What an open ending Gabi presents to us.
01:11Because it seemed that everything was resolved and finally not.
01:16Well, let's see.
01:18What is the most forceful evidence against Martin Del Rio?
01:22The video in which he is supposedly seen a few meters from his house,
01:28hooded, leaving precisely at a time that would coincide with the post-murder of his parents.
01:35Well, that was the main evidence.
01:37Of course, but there is a long way to go.
01:39Could the prosecution prove that Martin Del Rio wielded a gun and shot inside his parents' vehicle?
01:47No.
01:48Of course Gabi, that is the real problem.
01:50So far what we have is that there are many people who point out that a man walks.
01:55No one has been able to see and verify, at least it has not been presented,
02:00that it was Martin Del Rio who shot from behind, behind his own parents.
02:06Because clearly there is no indication, they have not found it in the car,
02:10the gun is not there, the images are not there, the video, Bobby.
02:13This opens, of course, the possibility of an absolution.
02:17And we begin to go through the most interesting thing that this case is leaving,
02:21until we know the verdict, also with Gabriel Prosperi, because the game opens well.
02:25Martin Del Rio himself said it yesterday when he declared himself the only accused of double crime,
02:31which would be a parricide.
02:34And he says, I have heard so much here from all the witnesses that I am the one who walks,
02:41that walks, that walks, that his defense denies that he is the walking man
02:46because his face is never seen and everyone recognizes him from his characteristic walk.
02:51In that there is an animosity.
02:53There we have the woman who works in the house, Nina Quino, who has known him for 12 years.
03:01His ex-wife, his ex-lover, his brother who grew up with him all his life,
03:07a woman who is a friend of his mother and who knows him from kindergarten.
03:11Everyone at the right time, when they were shown the video, said,
03:14it's Martin Del Rio, I recognize him, it's him, he has a characteristic walk.
03:18Now, what does Martin Del Rio say?
03:20Stop looking for videos and someone walking 50 blocks from the house.
03:25Take care of what happened inside.
03:27And there is nothing inside me.
03:30And this is exactly true, as Gabriel Prosperi says.
03:33And in fact, Gabi, he also raises a command attack, right?
03:36At his home, at first.
03:39Of course, but that would remain to be proven in a later instance.
03:44First you have to define this.
03:46Then, in any case, it will be investigated how they actually died.
03:50If Martin Del Rio is not considered the murderer,
03:54how his parents were murdered precisely in that house,
03:57in that house of Mero 1100 in Vicente LĂłpez.
04:01Now, what is the strongest thing that the prosecution has to accuse Del Rio?
04:06Well, the cell phone.
04:07The evidence regarding this financial ardor
04:12that Martin Del Rio would have structured
04:16and in which he would have deceived his own parents
04:19is the strongest thing that the prosecution has to present Martin Del Rio
04:24as the only one interested in his environment,
04:27in any case, in reaching the ultimate instance
04:31of killing his own parents in his own house.
04:35Regarding the gun, Dr. MĂłnica ChiribĂn just came out.
04:39Some small statements to the press.
04:43What did she say?
04:44The gun appeared in a country in the West Zone.
04:48Now, who took that gun there?
04:51Because that alleged murder weapon, who took it there?
04:56Because there is no record of Martin Del Rio's entry to the country
04:59and neither in the highways that lead to that country
05:04there is a filmic record of Martin Del Rio having passed through there.
05:08But we are sure, we are sure...
05:10What does he have in favor?
05:11Yes, sorry Javi, at this point and regarding the gun that you say,
05:15are we sure that the gun that is in the safe is the gun that killed this couple?
05:21In the trial it was said that yes.
05:23Well, that's what the prosecution presents as a semi-prime evidence, in any case.
05:30But what strength does he have to present the defense of Martin Del Rio?
05:39He does not place the accused in the scene of the crime
05:43and where was the accused in relation to the gun to leave it there?
05:48Because there is no relationship between the post-murder and the appearance of the gun there.
05:53Martin Del Rio is not seen at any time.
05:56We are talking, Javi...
05:58What does the prosecution have in favor? I reiterate, the mobile phone.
06:01The strongest structurally of the presentation is the mobile phone of the crime.
06:06This is a great point that Gabriel marks, a great point of this journey that we are going to do
06:11waiting for a countdown.
06:13If we have a verdict this afternoon, it is presumed that yes,
06:17but for that there has to be a total agreement
06:19and in that sense, as we have seen so many times in movies, in series,
06:23a classic comes to mind, which is called Twelve Men in Struggle,
06:27which is how a jury is deliberated.
06:29There has to be a consensus, there has to be a unanimity of criteria
06:34and this point, this point is very interesting that Gabriel Prosperi brings us
06:40in this start of who when where.
06:42Why? Because, let's see, there seems to be a lot, a lot of work done
06:48in terms of technological expertise.
06:51And several specialists went around there, from parties and officials,
06:57who analyzed two things, the famous figure of the videos of the walking man
07:02and his correlation with two facts.
07:06One with a previous walk that almost a week before,
07:10MartĂn del RĂo, where some even do it in the company of his lover,
07:15believe to find in that episode an essay for what he would do later
07:19on the day of the murders.
07:21That is an aspect that was discussed a lot and a lot of analysis was done
07:25of that sequence.
07:26But this is a deduction, Bobby, at least.
07:28Yes, correct.
07:29In principle, it is a deduction, because you, walking a person,
07:32let's say, what you propose is fine.
07:34But the route is the same.
07:35The route is the same.
07:36So it is possible to think if he was eventually measuring times,
07:40distances, etc.
07:41The other issue that was analyzed a lot and there is a lot of technical expertise
07:46is the intersection between those videos and how MartĂn del RĂo's cell phone
07:53behaves in that window period, which is a little more than an hour,
07:57and the impact of the antennas on the cell phone.
08:01Since he leaves, from the north zone, from a country,
08:06the entrance to the city of Buenos Aires, and then that famous walk back and forth.
08:12And there is a lot, a lot, but a lot, that makes you think that it is MartĂn del RĂo,
08:18because his cell phone, how it behaves, how it impacts and how it stays
08:22until a certain moment.
08:23Without activity, everything seems to conclude that it is MartĂn del RĂo.
08:27Now, now, that meticulousness that there is in that expertise and in that intersection,
08:33there is not with what Gabriel Prosperi points out.
08:37Hey, and if the gun is the murder weapon?
08:39And if the gun is found kept in a house in the country San Diego,
08:45which was from MartĂn del RĂo's parents to the posters,
08:49the victims of the fact that his authorship is being determined.
08:53How is there so much analysis of the other?
08:55There is nothing that places it.
08:57First, MartĂn del RĂo entering that country.
09:01A recording, something where it is allowed to infer that if that gun is the murder weapon
09:07and it reached that place, someone must have taken it.
09:10Or it was MartĂn del RĂo, and in the era of the countries in which everything is recorded,
09:15in the tolls and in the income to the private neighborhoods,
09:18he must be there, or if he is not there, because someone else took it there,
09:23there must be an accomplice who is not sitting in the pool.
09:27He could not have done it alone.
09:29If someone took that gun to that place, and it is the murder weapon,
09:33and it was not MartĂn del RĂo, we also lack an important character in this story.
09:38Do you understand?
09:39Totally, totally. I think the question of the gun is key, Gaby.
09:42Let's see how it continues now while we are preparing in production
09:46for more urgent information on what happened until minutes ago,
09:50because we have the last words of MartĂn del RĂo,
09:53before finally giving place to the time of the jury.
09:57Tell me, Gaby, how does the hearing continue there?
10:02At the moment we are in an intermediate room.
10:05After that intermediate room, the deliberation process is carried out by the jury,
10:11by the 12 members of the popular jury.
10:14Once the popular jury informs the president of the court that they have already made a decision,
10:21the hearing is called again, and there the verdict will be heard.
10:26If MartĂn del RĂo is guilty or innocent.
10:30Very good, very good.
10:31If he is innocent, the trial is over, MartĂn del RĂo returns home.
10:34If he is guilty, then he is still detained in the unit of the Bonerense Prison Service,
10:40number 48 of San MartĂn del RĂo,
10:42and the president of the court, with the course of the days,
10:46will present the sentence that takes him precisely to a conviction.
10:50That is, how many years in prison, according to what the judge contemplates,
10:55MartĂn del RĂo deserves for the aggravated murder of his parents.
11:03So that's the deadline we have.
11:05Today, guilty or innocent.
11:08Very good. In a little while I want us to discuss the issue of the jurors.
11:11They are remarking that there is something there that makes noise.
11:14For example, they have seen people who were in the audience, five jurors,
11:18for example, crying with the statement of MartĂn del RĂo's ex-wife.
11:24But now we are going to urgent information,
11:27because it just happened before the closing of the hearing,
11:32for a quarter of an intermediate, at least a closing, a lapse or more.
11:35Listen, pay close attention.
11:37It does not sound perfect, but it is heard,
11:40and the last words of MartĂn del RĂo will be recorded in the trial against him.
11:45Listen to it.
11:48Good morning to everyone.
11:49I already left yesterday a little.
11:52I want to tell you that it is impossible to have committed this act without being in the place,
11:58without the murder weapon even being close to me,
12:02that I am completely innocent,
12:05that I love my parents, I love my children,
12:08and that I miss them very much.
12:11Every day I pray for them,
12:14and I want the prosecution to prove who are the culprits of the murder of my parents.
12:22Nothing more.
12:23Thank you very much for everything,
12:25and I hope this is resolved,
12:27and to be able to know who killed my parents.
12:31Nothing more.
12:33Always before in A24,
12:35we just heard the last words of MartĂn del RĂo in the hearing,
12:40and now we have to wait for the jury.
12:42A jury, Bobby, that is also being seen with a magnifying glass.
12:46This is all a learning that we have to do,
12:48even from journalism,
12:50and also the people,
12:51because the trials come by jury.
12:53Of course.
12:54But what is the limit to even have the possibility of challenging a jury?
13:00Because there is a lot of prior question,
13:02in which the preselection is worked,
13:05that they no longer have a prejudice,
13:07a formed opinion,
13:09depending on the characteristics of what is judged,
13:11in the sense of who is the victim,
13:13and who is the accused,
13:15that there is no prejudice, something pre-existing,
13:18and that makes you discard it,
13:20directly before sitting there.
13:22But what happens during the process?
13:24This is a challenge to learn in this matter.
13:28If suddenly someone,
13:30for a story,
13:31is moved,
13:32because he empathizes with that story.
13:35Here Pablo brought us the example of the ex-wife.
13:39Sure.
13:40Or, for example, another moment that was very moving,
13:43was, I am remembering,
13:45in the case of a friend's mother,
13:47of a friend's mother, sorry,
13:49of a friend's mother,
13:50who also gave a very moving testimony.
13:53And one saw in that case,
13:55being in the audience room,
13:56that the jury was gesticulating,
13:59was feeling.
14:00So that already implies a prejudice,
14:03a position,
14:04because if that same witness,
14:06with whom they empathize and move,
14:08is expressed in that statement,
14:11in the sense that they believe that the accused is guilty,
14:14that automatically means
14:16that if they cried together with that person,
14:18they will also anticipate
14:20that their vote would be condemnatory.
14:22It takes away their objectivity when evaluating the evidence,
14:25because at the moment of moving and crying,
14:28together with the witness,
14:29the process continues.
14:30Other people have not yet declared.
14:32Even the accused himself did not declare.
14:35Does this get them out of circulation?
14:37Does it make them a reason for objection,
14:39for impugnation, or not?
14:41It's a whole learning curve,
14:42and we can even ask one of the lawyers.