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00:00Welcome everyone, thank you for joining us in this new Media Morning, the first of a new edition.
00:22In Gaza, the civil defense said that a series of strikes by the Israeli army
00:29had caused at least 58 deaths, including 10 agents in charge of securing trucks in the Palestinian territory,
00:36devastated by more than 14 months of war.
00:41The leaders of the G7 countries will meet in a videoconference this Friday
00:47to examine the situation in Syria,
00:50for this by the UN chief, concerned by the major violations of the sovereignty of Syria and Israeli strikes.
01:00The Secretary-General of the Cooperation Council of the Gulf Arab States,
01:05visiting the Kingdom, Mohammed al-Baidawiya,
01:08was received this Thursday by the head of the Moroccan Diplomacy, Nasser Boureda.
01:18The civil defense of Gaza indicated that a series of Israeli strikes on Thursday
01:23had caused at least 58 deaths in the Gaza Strip,
01:26including 12 agents in charge of securing trucks in the Palestinian territory,
01:32devastated by more than 14 months of war.
01:35The first bombings occurred a few hours after the call of the UN General Assembly in New York
01:42for an immediate and unconditional ceasefire in the Gaza Strip,
01:46a symbolic call rejected by Israel and the United States.
01:50According to the civil defense of Gaza,
01:52this morning seven security agents were killed in a strike in Arafat,
01:56five others in a strike in Khan Younes, a city in the south of the Palestinian territory.
02:02Finally, in the afternoon, the army issued a new call for evacuation
02:06concerning five areas in the northern city of Gaza,
02:09where armed men are operating, according to it, in other strikes.
02:13On Thursday, Israeli fighter planes targeted two houses
02:17near the camp of refugees in Nou Saheraz, in the center and in the city of Gaza.
02:26The UN Secretary-General is very concerned about the major violations
02:30of Syrian sovereignty and territorial integrity and the Israeli strikes in Syria.
02:37This is what his spokesman said yesterday.
02:40The Secretary-General is particularly concerned about the hundreds of Israeli strikes
02:44that have taken place in Syria, said Stéphane Dujarric.
02:47Emphasis on the urgent need for a de-escalation on all fronts through Syria.
02:53Israel has announced in recent days hundreds of strikes against strategic military sites in Syria,
02:59where a rebel coalition dominated by the HTS group
03:02overthrew the power of Bashar al-Assad on Sunday
03:05after the fall of President al-Assad.
03:07The Israeli army did not enter the tampon area
03:11of the Golan Plateau occupied and annexed by Israel
03:16in violation of the 1974 agreement between Syria and Israel, according to the United Nations.
03:27At the moment, the leaders of the G7 countries are meeting in a videoconference
03:33on Friday to examine the situation in Syria,
03:36where the new government promised to establish a state of law
03:40four days after the fall of Bashar al-Assad.
03:43At the end of an 11-day offensive,
03:45a rebel coalition dominated by the HTS group
03:48overthrew Bashar al-Assad's power in Russia on Sunday
03:52in the face of political, social and security challenges
03:55to which the multi-ethnic, multi-confessional and fragmented country must face.
04:01The new authorities are trying to reassure internally and internationally.
04:06Syria will be at the heart of the discussions of the heads of state and governments of the G7 countries
04:11who must meet today in a videoconference.
04:13This summit was convened before the fall of Bashar al-Assad
04:18initially planned for the passing of the presidency of the group.
04:27The Secretary General of the Cooperation Council of the Arab States of the Gulf
04:32has officially visited the Kingdom.
04:36Mohammad Al-Baidawi was received by the head of the Moroccan Diplomacy,
04:42Nasser Bouretta, at the heart of their exchanges.
04:45The strategic partnership between Morocco and the CCG
04:49which reiterated its support for the Moroccan identity of the Sahara.
04:54The Moroccan Minister of Foreign Affairs, Nasser Bouretta,
04:58had an interview on Thursday with the Secretary General of the Cooperation Council of the Arab States of the Gulf
05:04on an official visit to the Kingdom.
05:07He reiterated the support of the Gulf countries
05:10for the Moroccan identity of the Sahara
05:12and for the proposal of autonomy advanced by Morocco.
05:16The Gulf countries reiterated their support for the Moroccan identity of the Sahara
05:20and for the proposal of autonomy advanced by the Kingdom of Morocco.
05:24The Gulf countries also saluted the recent resolution of the United Nations Security Council
05:30on the question of the Moroccan Sahara.
05:33In another area, know that the Ministers of State Affairs
05:37and the Minister of Foreign Affairs
05:42In another area, know that the Ministers of State Affairs
05:46of the countries of the CCG have invited the Moroccan counterpart
05:50to participate in a meeting of strategic dialogue, Morocco-Gulf,
05:54which will be held soon in the Saudi capital, Riyadh.
05:58This meeting will not be a simple ministerial event,
06:01but a real strategic dialogue,
06:04encompassing various sectors of common interest.
06:07This meeting will not be a simple ministerial event,
06:10but a real strategic dialogue, encompassing various sectors of common interest.
06:13The General Secretary of the CCG also congratulated the Kingdom of Morocco
06:18for the joint organization of the 2030 World Cup with Portugal and Spain.
06:23He assured that the Gulf countries will be fully prepared
06:27to offer various forms of cooperation to support Rabat in this prestigious event.
06:33On his part, Nasser Bourita recalled the solidity of relations
06:36between Rabat and the Gulf countries.
06:39The King's orders are that Morocco stands by them.
06:44The Kingdom of Morocco, under the leadership of His Majesty King Mohammed VI,
06:48reiterates its full solidarity with the member countries of the Council
06:52for the preservation of their sovereignty and territorial integrity,
06:57and for the taking of all appropriate measures
07:00in favor of the defense of their security and stability.
07:04Relations between Rabat and the Gulf countries remain strong,
07:08and it is now a matter of finding ways to strengthen them further,
07:12notably through the work of the joint teams,
07:15while further involving the young people,
07:18entrepreneurs and companies of the two countries.
07:22The two parties also examined a series of regional and international issues,
07:27while reaffirming their firm and constant support for the legitimate rights
07:32of the Palestinian people for the establishment of an independent state
07:36with a capital city, al-Quds, on the borders of July 4, 1967.
07:41Morocco and France have long been friends,
07:47and their cooperation in visiting the Kingdom of Morocco
07:51has been strengthened.
07:54In Rabat, the French National Assembly President,
07:57Mireille Brun-Pivet, was welcomed by the head of the government,
08:00Aziz Arnauch,
08:02an opportunity seized by the two leaders to highlight the excellence
08:05of relations between the two countries,
08:08a partnership of exception strengthened by the declaration
08:11signed in this sense by His Majesty the King.
08:14It is the French President Emmanuel Macron, Aziz Arnauch,
08:17who saluted in this regard the support of France
08:20to the Moroccanity of the Sahara.
08:22On her side, Brun-Pivet described these interviews as fruitful.
08:26Together, we listen to her.
08:31We continue our visit to the Kingdom of Morocco
08:36by an interview with Mr. Prime Minister.
08:39This interview was extremely interesting.
08:42Mr. Prime Minister, this interview was extremely fruitful.
08:45We were able to discuss this partnership of exception
08:49that the King of Morocco and the President of the Republic
08:52signed six weeks ago.
08:55And this partnership of exception, well,
08:57it must be brought to life at all levels.
08:59We were able to discuss the programmes
09:02that Morocco carries out around education,
09:05around agriculture, renewable energies,
09:08access to water, of course,
09:11all social actions.
09:13We see that Morocco is a developing country
09:18that does it in a harmonious way
09:21and tries to leave no one on the side of the road.
09:24We see to what extent there is a dynamic today
09:27in which France can find its place
09:30with all our companies, with our expertise.
09:34And so we are really happy
09:36about this new golden age of cooperation between our two countries.
09:41The African vision of the Sovereign is being realized
09:45on the ground in Niger.
09:47The electric power plant in Mrahensis
09:50has a capacity of 22.5 megawatts
09:53offered by Morocco, which was inaugurated yesterday.
09:56A beautiful example of South-South cooperation
09:59undertaken by the Kingdom.
10:01Jean Dubril, William.
10:03It is accompanied by Ambassador Halal El Hachab
10:06and a delegation of Moroccan officials
10:08that the Nigerian Prime Minister
10:10proceeded on Thursday to inaugurate
10:12the Mrahensis Electric Power Plant,
10:15a thermal unit offered by the Kingdom of Morocco
10:18that allows Niger to benefit
10:20from an additional 22.5 megawatts
10:22for its supply of electricity.
10:25The Kingdom of Morocco has supplied
10:27and shipped to the Republic of Niger
10:30equipment for an electric power plant
10:32that includes nine groups of caterpillar-branded electrogens
10:36of a total power of 22.5 MW.
10:40Nine transformers, elevators,
10:43a prefabricated control room
10:46equipped with latest technology devices,
10:50low and high voltage connection cables
10:54and many other accessories for the construction
10:57and operation of the plant.
11:00In addition, experts and technicians
11:02from the National Office of Water and Electricity of Morocco
11:05rushed to Niamey in July
11:07to lend a helping hand in the construction
11:09of the central dike,
11:11a gesture of solidarity that translates into action
11:13the vision of a South-South cooperation
11:15promoted by the King of Morocco.
11:17The concretization of this project
11:19once again embodies
11:21the generous philosophy of His Majesty
11:23the King Mohammed VI for a South-South cooperation
11:25that is solid and active
11:27and constitutes a concrete illustration
11:30of the vision of His Majesty the King
11:32as stated in his speech in Abidjan in February 2014
11:35Africa must trust Africa.
11:38The central dike delivered to the authorities of Niger
11:41should thus allow the electrification
11:43of the equivalent of four districts of the city of Niamey,
11:46an immediate benefit for the populations
11:49that in particular highlight the human character
11:51of Moroccan solidarity.
11:53When you take cooperation between Morocco and Niger
11:57it is an example in Africa.
11:59The South-South cooperation today
12:01is highly developed
12:03on several other aspects
12:05such as education,
12:07the scholarships that Morocco grants,
12:09you also have a military cooperation,
12:11there is also other assistance
12:13at the medical level and others.
12:16Today, this gift confirms
12:19the friendship between the two peoples.
12:22The cooperation should nevertheless continue
12:24with the strengthening of the capacity
12:26of the staff of the Nigerian Electricity Society
12:29now in charge of the management
12:31and maintenance of the thermal power plant.
12:34And also know that the Moroccan delegation
12:37having taken part in the ceremony of the inauguration
12:39in Niamey of this power plant
12:41offered by Morocco
12:43was received in the audience
12:45by the Brigadier General
12:47Abdoulrahman Tiani,
12:49President of the National Council
12:51of the Safeguard of the Nation of Niger.
12:56And right away, place to the guest
12:59of the major media journal Morning.
13:02The collapse of Bashar al-Assad's regime
13:06opens many horizons
13:08for Syria and the region
13:10but also raises many questions
13:12about the post-Assad period.
13:15Western countries are concerned
13:17to see the intentions
13:19of the rebel group HTS.
13:21There are still many questions
13:23about the orientations
13:25of the new transitory government in Syria.
13:28We made the point with Mr. François Carmentran,
13:31an expert in international relations.
13:34Hello François Carmentran.
13:36Thank you for accepting our invitation.
13:39Thank you for inviting me.
13:41Thank you for inviting me this morning.
13:46Mr. Carmentran,
13:50we start with the European Union
13:53which called on a peaceful transition
13:56in Syria on Monday.
13:58Despite the implementation
14:00of a transitional government,
14:02the blur is still there.
14:04The European Union will have to
14:06solve the thorny question
14:08of knowing with whom to engage
14:10the dialogue at the moment
14:12which is, in your opinion,
14:14the main interlocutor
14:16in the country.
14:20From what I see,
14:22from what I read,
14:24because I am not in Syria at the moment,
14:26HTS seems to be the main interlocutor
14:30but not only.
14:32The country is totally broken
14:34and I think there is a great concern
14:36on the Western side,
14:38on the European side
14:40to be blurred
14:42by a certain number of small groups.
14:46We have a country
14:48where the Syrian state
14:50was not perfect,
14:52but everything is broken
14:54quite quickly
14:56because the Iranian and Russian
14:58supports have withdrawn,
15:00which was not the case
15:02in 2011.
15:04I think they are
15:06afraid
15:08to be blurred.
15:10They will be blurred
15:12by groups
15:14who may face each other
15:16even if for the moment
15:18everything seems
15:20almost, I am careful,
15:22idyllic on paper
15:24but we give guarantees,
15:26we try to reassure
15:28the Westerners.
15:30However, we still have
15:32the example of Libya,
15:34we have the example of Afghanistan,
15:36we have the example of many countries
15:38which, overnight,
15:40have collapsed.
15:42And we see that, in parallel,
15:44we have Israel,
15:46which takes the opportunity
15:48to take assurances,
15:50both on the Golan Heights
15:52and on the Syrian military potential,
15:54which was almost totally destroyed,
15:56what I read in the press.
15:58Scientists on certain programs
16:00would have been assassinated, etc.
16:02And I also think that...
16:04Very well.
16:06Faced with the concerns of the West
16:08regarding the way
16:10the new Syrian power
16:12has treated the many minorities,
16:14the head of the transition government
16:16has stated that his team
16:18will guarantee the rights
16:20of all peoples and confessions
16:22while respecting the rights of women
16:24and minorities.
16:26To what extent should we believe it?
16:28Well, listen,
16:30I would say, like Saint Thomas,
16:32I believe what I saw.
16:34I believe what I saw.
16:36For the moment,
16:38the guarantees
16:40of the Christian minority,
16:42if I'm not mistaken,
16:44in Syria, I don't know,
16:46but I know that in Lebanon
16:48you have 17 different Christian confessions.
16:50There are not only the Maronites,
16:52but there are also,
16:54I think,
16:56other minorities,
16:58the Alawites,
17:00the Assad clan,
17:02the Assad family,
17:04the Alawites,
17:06the Shiites,
17:08I think there are also
17:10the Ismaili communities.
17:12I am very careful.
17:14Zulani shows a very respectable face
17:16today,
17:18but what about tomorrow?
17:20You still have the influence
17:22behind Turkey, which is important,
17:24which is called
17:26brotherhood,
17:28the Muslim brothers, who are very important.
17:30I can't go into the subtleties,
17:32I'm not a specialist.
17:34On the one hand, you have Daesh,
17:36HTC,
17:38but HTC is still emanations
17:40of Jabhat al-Nusram,
17:42who had taken Maloula.
17:44Maloula in Syria is the last village,
17:46the last area where we still speak Aramaic,
17:48where the Christian liturgy
17:50is in Aramaic, the language of Christ.
17:52What will it be like tomorrow?
17:54There was a subtle balance
17:56that was not perfect
17:58on the minorities,
18:00precisely behind the Assad power,
18:02the Alawites.
18:04The head of
18:06the European Diplomacy
18:08has raised the persistent risks
18:10of sectarian violence,
18:12extremism and terrorism
18:14that must be avoided.
18:16Do you think that in Syria
18:18we could avoid the scenarios
18:20of Iraq and Libya?
18:24I can't believe it.
18:26Honestly, I can't believe it.
18:28We still have the experience
18:30of what happened in Libya
18:32in February 2011
18:34and especially the death of
18:36Mohamed Kadhafi, if I'm not mistaken,
18:38in early October 2011.
18:40We saw that something
18:42that was maintained,
18:44maybe a lead cap,
18:46but it collapsed the next day.
18:48When the security apparatus
18:50collapses, when a state collapses,
18:52what do you want to have
18:54the next day?
18:56After my experience,
18:58my knowledge of this area,
19:00I can see that
19:02Iran is retreating,
19:04but I can also see
19:06a confrontation,
19:08a zone of blur,
19:10of non-rights,
19:12on the one hand,
19:14the Turks in the north
19:16who never really tolerated
19:18the split of Syria
19:20after, if I'm not mistaken,
19:22the post-WWI agreements,
19:24I'm looking for the name,
19:26it's the Treaty of Lausanne,
19:28if I'm not mistaken,
19:30and then, of course, Israel.
19:32There are still some
19:34who want a real expansion policy,
19:36from the Nile to the Euphrates.
19:38When we talk about Shams,
19:40in HTC Shams,
19:42and I think it should also
19:44worry the Israeli society
19:46and maybe the government,
19:48Shams is really uniting
19:50Palestine, Syria and Lebanon.
19:52So it's still
19:54an extremely important area
19:56geographically speaking.
19:58Mr. Carmon-Tran,
20:00the Western countries,
20:02which have stood apart
20:04from Bashar al-Assad's regime,
20:06now have to decide
20:08how to deal with the new
20:10transitional government.
20:12How can they contribute
20:14to the transition of power?
20:16They will try,
20:18in my opinion,
20:20to participate in the reconstruction,
20:22but I'm still afraid
20:24that there will still be a subway
20:26or several train delays,
20:28as we have seen,
20:30because there was
20:32a kind of neutrality
20:34compared to the old government.
20:36There is still a bit of
20:38moralism that leads nowhere,
20:40which is never the attitude
20:42of the Arab countries,
20:44of the Middle East, etc.
20:46And now they want to come.
20:48But I think that, first of all,
20:50I see Turkey, which is a very powerful country,
20:52economically, with
20:54BTP companies, for example,
20:56in very powerful infrastructures,
20:58and I think they will also want to
21:00participate in the reconstruction process.
21:02I have the idea that
21:04Westerners are afraid,
21:06don't know where to go,
21:08and will probably
21:10feel or be blurred.
21:12That's it.
21:14The HTC group,
21:16its leader
21:18Abou-Mohamed El-Joulani,
21:20has been on the UN's blacklist
21:22of terrorism since 2014,
21:24a designation
21:26followed by the 27 countries
21:28of the European Union.
21:30In practice, this means a gel of havings
21:32and a ban on providing funds.
21:34In the current context,
21:36what happens
21:38to these punitive sanctions?
21:42I don't know anything about it,
21:44because these sanctions exist.
21:46You just mentioned them,
21:48but for the last 10 years,
21:50it has not prevented HTC
21:52from taking power
21:54in a sweeping way,
21:56arriving through the northwest,
21:58the Aleppo-Idleb area,
22:00and taking power.
22:02Power that has not been defeated,
22:04that's what I was saying.
22:06In the end, the communities
22:08in Laouit, for example,
22:10prefer to retreat to their villages
22:12and cities, rather than
22:14maintaining a front
22:16despite the sanctions,
22:18with important means
22:20behind them.
22:22I think there is a kind of
22:24benevolent neutrality of the West,
22:26and Israel, like other major countries,
22:28is not completely
22:30exempt from having an action
22:32or letting certain things happen.
22:34And then there is Turkey,
22:36which is at the top
22:38and has certainly provided
22:40logistical and military means,
22:42naturally very important.
22:44Precisely, although
22:46the HTC group is
22:48the most present and
22:50powerful armed group on the Syrian ground,
22:52the existence of a multitude
22:54of armed groups
22:56with various external alliances
22:58remains
23:00a real obstacle
23:02for the construction
23:04of the series of tomorrow. What do you think?
23:06I think, yes.
23:08I think like you, Madam.
23:10That is to say that
23:12it seems to me that
23:14you have a state that is
23:16broken up once again,
23:18a state security apparatus
23:20that falls.
23:22It is not only because
23:24we destroy statues
23:26of Hafez al-Assad, Bashar al-Assad,
23:28that we tear up portraits, etc.
23:30But we can see that we will go from something
23:32structured to nothing.
23:34With areas
23:36more or less
23:38secured
23:40in some areas.
23:42Here we are rather focused
23:44on the west of the country.
23:46I would say a very large band
23:48from Aleppo to Damascus.
23:50But far from
23:52what we used to call
23:54the useful Syria,
23:56but far from the east,
23:58from the desert, from all these areas.
24:00We must not forget the Kurds.
24:02I think the Kurds are
24:04far from being reassured.
24:06They still have not
24:08found their state,
24:10promised by the Treaty of Lausanne, etc.
24:12It has not been done, it will not be done,
24:14I think, not immediately.
24:16And then there are still pockets
24:18quite alive of the Islamic State,
24:20of Ahech,
24:22in certain areas of the center
24:24and south of Syria,
24:26southeast of Syria.
24:28François Carmontran,
24:30I thank you
24:32for this enlightenment.
24:34Thank you for all these clarifications.
24:36I remind you that you are an expert
24:38in international relations.
24:40Thank you very much.
24:42Have a good day. Goodbye Madam.
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