👉 En una audiencia crucial, la justicia tiene cinco días para decidir si la organización Alameda se unirá a la querella en el caso por la sustracción de Loan Danilo Peña. La familia del menor y sus abogados han expresado su deseo de no tener otros querellantes.
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00:00We have collected images and material, sometimes checking, some sources send us again
00:06and some images where the father of Lohan, one of the brothers, together with lawyers, a journalist
00:17and they circulate there and there are a series of complaints that speak of how wonderful the police are working
00:26for example, of course they have told the father, I will tell you this, we are going to put audios that are here
00:35because the truth is that that is why we are trying to check with Roberto Mendes if those audios are from him
00:42or from some collaborator or some journalist, we want to know what was happening in these trucks
00:48when they circulated to the farm with the father of Lohan, with the brothers, one in particular of the brothers
00:56and they talked about how wonderful the police were, and they say, they don't even do this for the president's son
01:02so imagine how important you are, you stay calm, trust the police, trust the prosecutors
01:08that everything will be fine, they are working wonderfully, it turns out that days later we meet
01:15for example, with a call at two in the morning to Commissioner Maciel where they said that the baby had appeared
01:22and it turns out that later they told us that it was a false alarm, it also turns out that this wonderful police
01:28ends up being investigated, because you remember the car of Pérez and Caillabas, the two were in the police station
01:36without strips, without any kind of protection, which ends up being able to generate the possibility of imputing
01:42and to cancel, actually not to impute, to cancel the entire test and the investigation that had been carried out
01:47Hugo, tell me
01:51Custody chain, so if you have the trucks and the truck no longer has the strip, they are not in a safe place
01:58they are not protected and cared for, what is called the custody chain is lost
02:03and losing the custody chain in any case can make you lose the cause or lose that evidence
02:09Well, in view of what we were listening to, which we cannot show you yet, it will be the moment
02:18there was also talk of the wonderful work of the prosecutors at that time, Castillo was one of them
02:27finally they end up leaving the cause, Barri was the other, they end up leaving the cause after the detention
02:34of the people who were until today detained except Mónica Millapi who received the domiciliary prison
02:40to be able to be with her children, the truth is that those prosecutors who were so wonderful
02:45also ended up displaced from the cause because the crime went to the federal sphere
02:50In the middle of this matter, when he was advancing on the track of the deal, Fernando Burlando appears
02:55with some trips and after a while Fernando Burlando himself says that when they were already on a firm track
03:03they kicked them out of the cause, so what do they have to hide? Why did they have to hide something?
03:09Why didn't they want Fernando Burlando in this cause when he was approaching the track of the deal?
03:14Pablo, stop, stop, let's say Burlando, stop, stop, stop, stop Burlando, no, they just kicked him out,
03:22it's Leiva, it's not Burlando, it's Leiva, I was going to clarify, I was going to fix this and they just kicked me out
03:29in this cause, no, I'm two days from solving it, no, it's about to be solved, no, just that it was about to be solved
03:38Excuse me, but if there is someone who has worked on this cause, it is the judge, it is Judge Poser-Penso
03:47and who has made a resolution to my brilliant taste, because he manages to put in the same fact
03:55a police officer who was not there, a person who stayed drinking wine sitting with the boy's father
04:01to Pérez and to Caillaba and to the people who went to the orange grove and to one who returned
04:08in a resolution that you have to have a lot of intellect, Pablo, to be able to put this together
04:14But Burlando is not taken out by the judge, he is taken out by the judge of his own will,
04:19so the question is, if on the one hand you have information, that is, it ends up ...
04:26But for me it is not treatment, Pablo, there is the issue, and Burlando said it was treatment, I'm going here, I'm going there
04:31Burlando, what is treatment? The judge says there are no indications
04:34There are no indications for now, that's what I always say, for now, there are no indications of treatment in this cause
04:41and there is a great silence, a pact of silence between the detainees
04:47Totally, now I ask you Fito, there is no treatment, okay, and what is the subtraction for?
04:52When they talk about the subtraction and they put Maciel in the same mud of the subtraction
04:56No, they also talk about the accident, it does something brilliant, it does something brilliant because all the clues are open
05:04Now, when we say that there is no treatment, it is from an organization of treatment
05:09Obviously, if you take a baby to have carnal access and you are not yourself and you give it to another
05:17which is one of the possibilities, because there is also the possibility that Benitez took it to give it to Pérez y Caixaba
05:22So, it is within all that, of course, what is treatment, but when I say that there is no treatment
05:27is that there is no organization outside of them, outside of those who are detained, at least until now
05:34Good, that's why, at least until now, very good what Fito poses to us
05:38In addition, precisely in relation to this that we are talking about, another door is opened
05:42which is that of the key audience that was today, all the lawyers, except Hanson and Chiribín
05:48Why not? They were, they decided not to go
05:51They were in a virtual audience with the appeal chamber
05:54You remember that the organization, the NGO, the Alameda, which is dedicated to fighting the treatment of people
06:01in every sense, let's say, from the point of view of labor slavery, from the point of view of sexual exploitation
06:07also, of course, of the treatment of children
06:10They had presented themselves, as I said before, they had denied Judge Poserpenso the possibility
06:15They appeal, and today an audience is produced
06:18What strikes me the most about this audience
06:21are the points that Gustavo Vera himself enumerates to justice
06:27Regarding this, this is clear to us and has no resolution visas
06:33and no one is investigating it, and I'm going to enumerate it to you
06:36because it seems very interesting to me
06:38One of the elements that has been raised today
06:41has five days for justice to finally decide if it is going to be part of the appeal
06:46because they assure from the Alameda
06:48they have tried to ask for evidence that has been rejected absolutely because they are not part of the cause
06:53As long as they are not part of the cause, they will not give importance to everything they say
06:58At least this is what they raise before justice
07:01And I raise some points here that have been commented on by all the lawyers present and the judges
07:09And none of the lawyers has picked up the glove from those points
07:14Not yet, not yet
07:17To explain to people
07:19Look at what I'm telling you, they ask
07:21Question number one, they say they have not responded to this question and I want to put it at stake
07:28What relationship does Mariano Peña have with José Maidana, the narco chief of 9 de Julio?
07:33Start there, strong, to the heel
07:35Two, what investigation was done regarding the mysterious call that César had that night
07:42César is another brother
07:44and the links of César with Maidana and Caillaba
07:49Remember, there was a call that night
07:51where they told him, they wrote through a text message
07:55Do you want to negotiate?
07:57This is a message from the night itself that disappears later
08:00What happened to the famous blue conservative who disappeared from the scene?
08:05A blue conservative who had taken Pérez and Caillaba, supposedly with some drinks
08:10There are those who suspect that there was money that was part of a second, could be part of a second payment
08:17We do not know who
08:21If it is an element that at some point appeared in the cause and disappeared
08:25There is a conservative
08:27Until now, although I get angry, Vera
08:30But I
08:31Calm down
08:32I say what I think
08:33I find that chat fundamental
08:36where it says you want to negotiate
08:38Then a conservative does not have
08:42Suddenly disappears
08:43But we do not know if it disappears, if it disappears
08:46We already make a presumption that there was money
08:49In other words, justice has 8,000 things to investigate
08:55And all of them cannot reach the extent that we want
08:59But if there is a chat, you want to negotiate
09:02I think it is fundamental
09:04But let's get to the other thing, Pablo
09:06Another point presented today
09:08In the audience a few hours ago
09:11What role did Commissioner Mesa play?
09:15Mesa was before Maciel
09:18In combination with Maciel
09:23And what did they do with the radio call that said
09:26Supposedly, falsely, that Loan had appeared
09:29That call at two in the morning
09:31I answer you two things
09:32We have always said
09:33Who were there
09:35That the four were there
09:37Including Laudelina, who after that was there
09:40Why was she there? Because she was going to declare or was she suspicious?
09:42And if she was suspicious, why did they let her go?
09:46Now
09:47If we do not know what Maciel did
09:50If justice still cannot tell us if he was a cover, a participant
09:54Why did he not clarify it?
09:56Why was he walking around that night with Benitez?
09:59Imagine that it is difficult to go to Benitez's predecessor
10:05Because we have to focus, Pablo
10:08Maciel's predecessor
10:09Maciel's predecessor
10:10That would have had some function
10:12We still do not know it
10:14Today
10:16We have to focus on the fact that the orange does not fall far from the tree
10:19And all that is there
10:21Brightly, Dr. Paulsen-Penso
10:24He attributes some responsibility
10:26Without being able, for the moment
10:29Dictate to science
10:31But I do tell you
10:32That you have to follow all that
10:34And the family, it is fundamental
10:36Very well
10:37Two more points are presented in the audience
10:39There are six, not five
10:41There are six
10:42I tell you
10:43There is deflation
10:44This for you to see
10:45The movements of Jorge Berton on the 13th and 14th
10:49And the white truck
10:50Very important this
10:52Because Jorge Berton is a son of Caillava
10:56At some point there was a sort of raid in one of his sheds
11:01They left the house open, the same
11:03Same system as always
11:04They raided and allowed anyone to pass and enter
11:07In fact, our partner Ale Puebla
11:09He even registered a place
11:13There, next to, I think there is a rice paddy
11:16Well, there is a place that had not been analyzed
11:19After six raids
11:21And finally, the role of Josefina Avalos
11:24Received or not money
11:25Let's see, who is Josefina Avalos?
11:27She is a friend of Laudelina
11:31There are those who assure that they would have their power
11:33Money from a previous payment
11:35That we do not know if it is for the field
11:37Or if it has to do with LOAN
11:39These are the six points that
11:41He is asking and requesting
11:43And they say, they do not listen to us
11:45They do not prevent us from any measure of proof
11:48Regarding this, any investigation
11:50Well, now in five days
11:52It will have to be defined
11:54How many accusers are there in this case, Pablo?
11:58How many?
11:59Accusers, between prosecutors
12:01No, you have the plaintiff, nothing more
12:02No, there is the prosecution
12:04The prosecution, the plaintiff
12:06And the prosecution
12:07The prosecution, yes
12:09Added to the plaintiff
12:10No, but they are
12:11Yes, yes, they are
12:12Why?
12:13This is an interesting question to ask
12:15Why none of the plaintiffs
12:17Has echoed this issue?
12:23What is happening?
12:24This is interesting
12:25This is interesting, yes
12:26Because you tell me
12:27Defendant lawyers, go ahead
12:28If I don't want it to be clarified
12:30Multiply the forum
12:32But what happens with the plaintiffs
12:36Take it out to
12:40To the Alameda
12:41No
12:42To Mendes
12:43To Mendes and to
12:44To Gallego
12:45And to Gallego
12:46Because they are family lawyers
12:48Because they say
12:49We are the plaintiffs
12:50We don't want another
12:51Of course, the problem is that you
12:53What you are proposing
12:54The people of the Alameda
12:56I understand
12:57That they have the right to be plaintiffs
12:59For the reason that is supposedly being investigated
13:02Beyond, as Fito says
13:04So far there are no signs of human trafficking
13:06At least in the resolution
13:08It does not say that there is not
13:10It says that so far there is not
13:12And the prosecutors also
13:14They don't point either
13:16Because otherwise they would be appealing
13:17The resolution of the judge
13:18I mean, the judge was
13:20Medianamente in tune with what
13:22The prosecutors raised
13:24Because this is what has to be said
13:26The judge has the approval in its resolution
13:29Because it goes in tune with what was said
13:31By the prosecutors
13:33Of course
13:34Now, there are issues
13:38That the Alameda
13:40Of being certain
13:41Things that I have no reason to doubt
13:43They are of vital importance
13:45Of course
13:46If you have a friend of Laudrina
13:47Who received 30,000 dollars
13:49As they say
13:50In a small town
13:51With the greatest respect
13:52That to grab 30,000
13:54It is not common and normal
13:55But the truth is that this
13:56They have to stop being versions
13:58And they have to appear in the cause
14:00Confirming or denying this situation
14:02So it seems important to me
14:04That's why I insist
14:05What happened today
14:06There will be five days for the definition
14:08And let's see what happens
14:09With these points
14:10Hugo
14:11Two important issues
14:13The resolution of the judge
14:14As Fito just said
14:15That follows the request of the prosecutors
14:18It says that it would not be a matter of treatment
14:20That there is no indication that this is a matter
14:22I ask
14:24The detainees of this cause
14:26Was stopped by the federal justice
14:28Or was stopped by the local justice
14:30It was stopped by the local justice
14:32And it confirmed the preventive
14:34To the federal justice
14:36So the question is
14:38When the cause will return
14:40To the local justice
14:43Can
14:44Of course it can
14:45Because if there is no treatment
14:47Sorry Fito
14:48If there is no treatment
14:49Let's look at the case of Maria Calle
14:50I think the case of Maria Calle
14:51Is revealing for this situation
14:52But the following happens
14:53He thought about it as treatment
14:55The following happens
14:56Beyond
14:57Although now it was an accident
14:59Look at what I tell you Pablo
15:00An accident
15:01Yes, yes
15:02It is already in the jurisdiction
15:04That the investigation has advanced
15:07It does not return to justice
15:09I'm not going
15:10Because it is already advanced
15:12Because you have a judge
15:13Who has thousands of hours
15:15Dedicated to work
15:16A thousand sheets
15:17A thousand sheets in his resolution
15:19And now
15:20Pass it on
15:21To a provincial prosecutor
15:23When
15:24The step would be
15:26If I have semi-full evidence
15:27Of evidence
15:28Obviously
15:29Go to an oral trial
15:30And solve this
15:31In an oral trial
15:32In the jurisdiction that corresponds
15:33As much as it is not
15:34A federal cause
15:35Of a federal case
15:36Of course
15:37Yes
15:38Exactly
15:39Meanwhile
15:40We are waiting
15:41Because it is time
15:42And because we are
15:43They are about to fall
15:44The rest of the telephone inquiries
15:45That are missing
15:46Because a lot is missing
15:47Everything that is
15:48The federal inquiries
15:49They were not finished yet
15:50The judge had not confirmed
15:51That they were for the last week of December
15:52Or
15:53When does the judge return
15:54Pablo
15:55Look, it had taken
15:56Ten days
15:57It's been
15:58More than a week
15:59Yes
16:00It must be there
16:01It must be there
16:02When it falls
16:03Let's say
16:04Yes
16:05I was going to consult
16:06If
16:07I was going
16:08If I returned
16:09To the cause
16:10He said yes
16:11She told me
16:12I have no doubt
16:13I do not
16:14I do not
16:15I do not know the judge
16:16I do not need to go to China
16:17To know that there is Chinese
16:18I have no doubt
16:19That an honest person
16:20Who investigates a cause
16:21As I see it
16:22With certain errors
16:23And with certain errors
16:24With certain errors
16:25Whether I like it or not
16:26Like it
16:27Who likes it
16:28And who does not
16:29Of course
16:30Because
16:31Do not return
16:32It would be
16:33Perjudicial
16:34For her
16:35The violence
16:36It is under the judicial council
16:37Of the magistrate
16:38For her
16:39And for the cause
16:40And for the OAS
16:41And fundamentally
16:42For the OAS
16:43I think
16:44That the council
16:45Boy
16:46From the council
16:47I'm going to tell you
16:48I, this humble
16:49French fries
16:50And others
16:51You can wait
16:52You can wait
16:53If the judge
16:54Poser-Penso
16:55Investigated well or badly
16:56Because he is looking for Lohan
16:57Very good
16:58And everything I see
16:59Is that with errors
17:00And with success
17:01I think with more success
17:02Than errors
17:03But he's looking for Lohan
17:04Yes
17:05Run to someone
17:06Who is looking for Lohan
17:07For
17:08Tell me
17:09I'll tell you
17:10For a problem
17:11But nothing
17:12Of the investigation of Lohan
17:13It is the most important investigation
17:14Of all your life
17:15That look for an N
17:16No, it seems to me
17:17That the final point
17:18It was a problem
17:19That even had
17:20With the case
17:21With the case
17:22Of Vera
17:23But what they are
17:24Rostrando
17:25Are previous elements
17:26Not the cause
17:27Lohan
17:28But stop
17:29But just arrived
17:30The day
17:31No, no, no, stop
17:32I
17:33The day that he signed
17:34The process car
17:35Pablo
17:36I'm married to the truth
17:37Yes
17:38And we were here
17:39When Vera
17:40The first day
17:41I told him
17:42That the judge was slow
17:43Because he had to have
17:44A slow resolution
17:45He told me
17:46You want to expel her
17:47And I wanted to do
17:48So
17:49Today
17:50Time later
17:52They are invalidated
17:53From my point of view
17:54Because for Vera
17:55They had nothing to do
17:56Those previous causes
17:57He told me here
17:58And he accused me
17:59Of disassembling
18:00He is not Vera
18:01Who does ...
18:02I say
18:03But those causes
18:04Not even for Vera
18:05They had entity
18:06Now Vera
18:07They were internal problems
18:08Of the office
18:09It had no entity
18:10That day
18:11To be able to advance
18:12Against the judge
18:13Today for me
18:14They have no entity
18:15As for now
18:16Advance
18:17Later
18:18But now
18:19We can't get out
18:20We can't get out of the OAN, Pablo, whatever it is, get out of the OAN, bring new people.
18:27If time passes, the truth is that it runs away, imagine if a judicial official changes, forget it.