👉 Tras una orden judicial se permitió a los padres del hombre acusado de abusar de su hija de seis años, llevarse a la "niña Cielo" de manera violenta de la casa de su madre. Vecinos y familiares se congregan en Casa de Gobierno para exigir su retorno. Diego Sassari, vocero de la familia y miembro de la Fundación Vínculos Sanos, habla en nombre de la familia materna debido a un bozal legal. Se espera una resolución efectiva para que Cielo regrese con su madre hoy mismo.
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00:00Yesterday, as you saw, on Avenida Italia,
00:03by a judicial order,
00:05the paternal grandparents of the girl Cielo entered,
00:09that's how she's called, to preserve her identity.
00:11They entered the mother's house and took the girl by force.
00:16We are at the moment in Casa de Gobierno
00:19because there is a great call from the residents of Resistencia
00:23who are present to ask that the girl return with her mother.
00:27In this case, we are with Diego Sassari,
00:30who is a spokesman for the family and belongs to the Fundación Vínculos Sanos.
00:34Currently, he can speak because the maternal family has a legal spokesman.
00:40Now, the girl's mother is in Casa de Gobierno
00:44talking to some authorities
00:46and it is expected that there will be an effective resolution
00:49so that the girl can return with her mother today.
00:52Diego is already listening.
00:54Diego, thank you for attending.
00:56The greatest good is to protect the girl Cielo
01:00and this, obviously, is not happening.
01:02Where is she now? What is known about this little girl?
01:06In the house of the grandparents.
01:08In the house of the paternal grandparents,
01:11I'll tell you something.
01:14It is to send to take care of the chicken to the fox,
01:18the henhouse to the fox.
01:20The parents were denounced at the time,
01:25the justice dismissed the complaint, obviously,
01:28for having been accomplices of the rape,
01:30of the alleged rape, let's agree, right?
01:33Because the justice is still in the process of proving this.
01:37The truth is that yesterday a totally out of place procedure was experienced.
01:44The girl Cielo was raped again after three years
01:48because the justice raped her yesterday,
01:51raped all the rights of the child.
01:54Who is now protecting her psyche?
01:58The paternal grandparents.
02:00You, as a foundation, have the possibility
02:03to have a dialogue with these paternal grandparents
02:06who are syndicated in the worst way,
02:08to cover up their own son of rape.
02:10The justice does not let us do anything.
02:12The judicial corporation here in El Chaco,
02:14unfortunately, the judicial corporation does not allow you.
02:18We don't have money.
02:20We are not powerful people with money,
02:23with political power.
02:25We are not.
02:26We have the strength of the people who are here today
02:29and who are also suffering the clashes of justice.
02:33Now, Diego, what is the power that this family has
02:39to carry out the judicial power to cover up the rape?
02:43They are businessmen.
02:45They are businessmen.
02:46Notice that this has been going on for three years
02:49and today you just found out.
02:51Because this is an outrageous fact,
02:53like the Cecilia case.
02:55The only thing is that the girl is not dead yet.
02:57They are killing her little by little.
02:59What they did yesterday was to kill part of her childhood.
03:03Now I ask you a question.
03:05This is another Cecilia case.
03:07Can I, Guillermo, ask a question?
03:09Diego, Deborah Ambo speaks to you.
03:11Nice to meet you. Good morning.
03:12Yes, Deborah.
03:13There is a national law that allows children
03:16to be represented by lawyers who are specialized
03:20and trained and that the school of lawyers of resistance
03:23must have in its payroll.
03:26I'll tell you something, Deborah.
03:27Excuse me for interrupting you.
03:29No, thank you.
03:30Yesterday there was a team, a disciplinary team,
03:33a psychological team, a specialized team on the subject
03:39that Dr. Feldman was told,
03:41this procedure cannot be carried out,
03:44the girl does not want to leave here.
03:46And Dr. Feldman had the girl Cielo raped again
03:51because they violated the rights of the girl.
03:53The specialists, the psychologists,
03:56child psychologists, everyone,
03:58because this procedure was carried out well
04:01until the girl was torn apart.
04:03It's terrifying, but I'll ask you a question.
04:06There is no one, no lawyer,
04:08who has presented himself as Cielo's lawyer,
04:11because Cielo has the right to written assistance,
04:15there is a law, there is the Lucio law,
04:18which is also in operation,
04:20and there is also an international treaty
04:22on the rights of the child.
04:23There is no lawyer who has presented himself to defend it?
04:26Yes, there is, there is, there is.
04:27The Hessel Chamber was made,
04:28there were representatives on the part of the minor,
04:31there were representatives on the part of the family,
04:3425 people participated in the Hessel Chamber,
04:36there they were giving me some details
04:38with conclusive results that will serve for the trial,
04:41but what is being done now,
04:42and they say it is an illegal appropriation,
04:44what was done,
04:45that is what is understood,
04:47and it is going to advance in that direction,
04:48is that the woman was psychologically amnesiated
04:51during all this time,
04:52to later take away the custody of the girl,
04:54inducing psychological and emotional instability.
04:58That is the cause.
04:59Neither more nor less, look.
05:01The girl, until yesterday,
05:03went to swimming, to painting, to school.
05:08Here I have a report from the school of De Nada,
05:11a report from the school of Cayetana,
05:14of 87 days, 82 attended.
05:20This, this, this is from the school,
05:23this is a report from the school.
05:25Yes, yes, yes.
05:26They said, they said, on the part of the justice,
05:29they said that the girl was in custody,
05:33that the mother did not take her to school,
05:35that she did not have a social life.
05:37The girl, until yesterday, had an active social life.
05:40What's more, when the procedure,
05:42at two in the afternoon,
05:43which started there in the house,
05:45the girl was drawing, painting,
05:47playing with her little sister.
05:49The little sister also lived all this.
05:51No, terrible.
05:52Not only the rights of a girl were violated,
05:55but of two.
05:57Imagine the psychological damage of this girl.
05:59Who repaired it?
06:00Diego.
06:01The justice.
06:02It gives the feeling.
06:03This Dr. Feldman.
06:04Yes, it gives the feeling that, well.
06:05Nobody, there is no repair here.
06:07No.
06:08Guillermo, when you started the note,
06:11you described what is happening here in El Chaco,
06:14you described what the girl Cielo lived.
06:16This is a total disinterest.
06:19Do you know what is the saddest and the ugliest, Guillermo?
06:22That it is not the only case.
06:24There are many similar cases.
06:26This is the sample of a button.
06:28Nothing else.
06:29Of course, but it gives the feeling, Diego,
06:31that here this family, these grandparents,
06:34take their granddaughter.
06:37It would be giving that feeling,
06:39as a trophy to show that they have the power.
06:42But if the neighbors are saying
06:44that they hear the girl screaming that she wants to go back to her mom,
06:47and that in Gessel's room,
06:48when the girl was spoken to by her grandparents,
06:51the girl began to cry,
06:52evidently, this link,
06:55little or nothing critical by this judge,
06:59will lead the girl to continue suffering much more.
07:04And to psychiatric treatment for life.
07:06No, but of course.
07:07It is torture.
07:09We are talking about torture.
07:10They are torturing her.
07:11A six-year-old girl,
07:13three years ago this torture began
07:15with the whole family,
07:16with the mother,
07:18with a whole family,
07:19with people who support her.
07:21Today, this is a demonstration of a people
07:24who are tired of this torture
07:26on behalf of justice,
07:27of the judicial operation.
07:29Here is winning a battle,
07:30here is winning a battle
07:31to the mother who at the time
07:32denounced her ex-partner
07:33for having abused the girl?
07:36Is this so?
07:37Or for having hit her?
07:39Or coerce the mother
07:40to remove the complaint.
07:42Guillermo, justice
07:45is taking the case,
07:47is taking the case to trial next year.
07:49Here it is not for a complaint,
07:51it is a whole process that has already happened.
07:53And the only thing that is missing
07:55is that justice
07:56say guilty or innocent.
07:58But the evidence is given,
08:00because if not,
08:01justice does not raise the case to trial.
08:03Here there is no doubt for a prosecutor.
08:06There is no intention of beating
08:08or driving the mother of the girl crazy
08:10that they impose the payment of the costs
08:12of all the lawyers
08:13that reach almost a million pesos.
08:15So in this situation,
08:17first she would have been hit by the ex-partner,
08:20then the daughter,
08:21allegedly abused by the father himself,
08:23then all this process of madness,
08:26camaraderie and all that,
08:27and then they impose this restriction
08:29of seeing the daughter
08:30with the imposition of the payment
08:32of the costs of all the lawyers.
08:34They fine her.
08:35It's like they fined her.
08:37The mother does not know where the girl is
08:38or how she has been since yesterday.
08:40Imagine how that mother is.
08:42After seeing her,
08:43how they hit her
08:44and tore her apart.
08:46And she ends up hospitalized.
08:48Of course.
08:49And also prevented, I understand.
08:51No, the mother is here.
08:52The mother is here with us.
08:54Is she there now?
08:55She is fighting for this.
08:57She is fighting.
08:58The mother cannot speak.
09:00This is like the activists
09:02who defend the trees.
09:04It's crazy.
09:05Because on top of that, there is silence.
09:07We have to talk to others.
09:08And they give her a legal beating.
09:10This has traces of dictatorship.
09:12No, of dominance.
09:13Actually, of machismo and dominance.
09:16Machismo.
09:17Machismo and dominance.
09:18Because this is...
09:19Let's not talk about machismo, please.
09:21Because I am a man and I am here.
09:23No, but I mean another type of machismo.
09:25There are many people, men.
09:27Here we are talking about machismo.
09:29Here we are talking about people...
09:31Of power.
09:32Of power.
09:33Yes, of course.
09:34Who run a judicial system
09:35that only punishes and re-victimizes
09:38the victims all the time.
09:40We live with the Cecilia case,
09:42with the Dupuy case,
09:44and now we are living it with the Cielo girl.
09:47This is a system that is
09:49diagrammed and made
09:51to question the victims all the time.
09:55To re-victimize them, to wear them out
09:57until they try or commit suicide
10:00or abandon the cases and so on.
10:02Now, has someone from the government expressed themselves, Diego?
10:04This is very sad what is happening.
10:06Has someone from the executive expressed themselves?
10:07Look, today, now,
10:08now we were meeting
10:10with the minister's sub-secretary.
10:13Because the minister,
10:14the truth is that he is a minister
10:16who has a career here.
10:18Mr. Gómez, Pato Gómez,
10:20who was one of the prosecutors
10:22who was leading the Cecilia case,
10:24and who led many cases of rapes
10:27that were and ended with
10:30conviction to the rapists.
10:32I can't talk today about this minister.
10:36Why didn't he attend us today?
10:38Why did he send us to talk
10:40to a sub-secretary?
10:42What is important to the sub-secretary?
10:44What is important?
10:45All the tools and all the accompaniment
10:47that we can have in this case.
10:51But the issue is that today
10:52the minister should have been here.
10:54Could it be that now that the case is nationalized,
10:56as unfortunately,
10:57or sometimes...
10:58Like what happened with Cecilia.
10:59Sure, or Cecilia, Lohan...
11:00Lohan.
11:01Can you start to have a more open door?
11:03Because we don't understand how...
11:05We already started, Guillermo,
11:07we already started to have answers.
11:09The Law School issued a statement
11:12and others who are in disagreement
11:14and totally against the procedure
11:17and others, and so on.
11:18I hope everything becomes an echo, right?
11:20Of this.
11:21Because on top of that,
11:23and I repeat it again,
11:24it is not the only case.
11:26Here we are not talking
11:28only about the girl Cielo.
11:30Today, the girl Cielo is shown on time,
11:32but this Dr. Feldman
11:34comes with several cases.
11:37This is a typical case
11:38of abuse of judicial power.
11:40This is a typical case
11:41of abuse of judicial power.
11:43Of the judicial corporation.
11:44Exactly.
11:45Of the judicial corporation.
11:46But also...
11:47This is a corporation, unfortunately,
11:49because this judge
11:52would have to have a jury
11:53a long time ago,
11:55and yet,
11:56among them they cover up,
11:58like a story.
11:59Here there are stories
12:00that can be told
12:02of judges who have to be denounced
12:05and prosecutors too,
12:06who do their job very badly
12:08and who are never
12:10rejected or accused
12:12because the same judicial corporation
12:15protects them.
12:16Diego, do you think
12:17they can take the girl
12:18out of the country
12:19and they can disappear?
12:20No.
12:22I don't think so,
12:23but it would be a total mess,
12:26wouldn't it?
12:27First of all,
12:28sorry,
12:29first of all,
12:30what you are describing
12:31is a total mess,
12:32where they take judicial power
12:33and they don't care about anything.
12:35I ask you because I see
12:36that there may be a possibility
12:38to take the girl
12:39and continue to ruin her
12:41psychologically.
12:42I think she has so much power,
12:43Guillermo,
12:44that they don't even think
12:45it's necessary.
12:46No, they don't need it
12:47because the power they have
12:49is so abstract
12:50and so territorial
12:51that they actually reach,
12:53it's like an octopus
12:54that reaches everywhere.
12:56Now I would like to see...
12:57Guillermo, it's already a mess.
13:00When the justice decides
13:01to give custody
13:02to the paternal grandparents
13:03and to take the girl
13:04to the house
13:05where she was raped.
13:06Exactly.
13:07This is already
13:08under process.
13:09They are already testing
13:10the neighbor's son.
13:11You can't believe it.
13:12Guille, Diego,
13:13what I was going to ask you
13:14was that, let's say.
13:15The danger is not
13:16that they take her out of the country,
13:17but that they re-link her
13:18with the father,
13:19that they re-link her
13:20with the father
13:21and that they take her
13:22out of the country
13:23and that they take her
13:24out of the country
13:25and that they take her
13:26out of the country
13:27and that they take her
13:28out of the country
13:29and that they take her
13:30out of the country
13:31in order to help
13:32the parents
13:33and that they take her
13:34out of the country
13:35and that they re-link her
13:36with the father
13:37who is charged
13:38with abuse.
13:39The process
13:40has not yet been
13:41carried out.
13:42There are guarantees.
13:43Mauro, Mauro,
13:44Frugoni,
13:45he is released.
13:46He is between us.
13:47He can commit
13:48the same offense
13:49if he is the rapist.
13:50With the public forces
13:51they took the child.
13:52That same public force
13:53will look after
13:54that the grandparents
13:55do not re-link
13:56the father with the girl.
13:57I think so, right?
13:59There should be a restraining order.
14:02Let's see, what?
14:04First of all, we have to protect the girl.
14:10Innocence, her, above all things,
14:14justice has to focus on protecting the girl.
14:18The mother is there, right?
14:20The mother is there.
14:22The mother is there, the couple, the mother's husband is here.
14:26Let's talk.
14:27Look, it's paradoxical.
14:30They can't talk.
14:32Diego, tell me something.
14:33The mother can't talk.
14:34She can't knock on her ex-in-laws' door
14:37to see how her daughter is doing.
14:38However, the father who is accused of raping her
14:42can enter her parents' home.
14:47In theory, he shouldn't
14:50because he has a restraining order.
14:52But with everything you are describing
14:54he can't even do that.
14:56He can't even knock on the back door.
14:58He can't knock on the front door.
15:00This is a free way to commit more crimes.
15:03How did it happen?
15:04There is no security here.
15:07Unfortunately, we are open to anything.
15:09With what justice did yesterday,
15:11in this procedure,
15:13we are open to anything.
15:15And they don't care about anything.
15:17They don't care about anything.
15:18Not from now on.
15:20With the grandmother who took her.
15:21She has a legal guardian.
15:23She can't talk.
15:25She has a legal guardian.
15:26The whole family has a legal guardian.
15:28They gave everyone a legal guardian.
15:29They talk and they get $70,000 in fines.
15:32They talk and they get $70,000 in fines.
15:34Luckily, you are here, Diego.
15:36You are the guardian officer for this foundation,
15:38Vínculos Sanos.
15:39The only thing missing was
15:41that they gave everyone a legal guardian
15:44who dared to speak ill of this person,
15:47who is very powerful.
15:48And the judge.
15:49Because in reality,
15:50the direct person responsible for this
15:52because you can ask a magistrate for anything.
15:54From there, for the magistrate to give it to you
15:56is another story.
15:58In reality, he has to fail legally.
16:00And this is not legally.
16:02The deputy secretary told us something
16:05that is going to hurt and hurt, right?
16:08And it is shocking.
16:10We have to stand up for ourselves.
16:14We have to follow the judicial paths.
16:17And we have to listen to the justice system.
16:20The justice system that yesterday
16:21raped the girl Cielo.
16:23Because it raped all the rights of a child.
16:26Of the little sister who was also there.
16:28They had no reparation.
16:30The truth is that these people,
16:32I don't know,
16:33I don't know how they can be in justice.
16:35A judge, I don't know how she could have said
16:38yes, proceed,
16:39when all the specialists,
16:40psychologists, a specialized group,
16:42said no, it can't be.
16:43Here, Diego, let's see,
16:45this is the truth.
16:46Speaking of bad and soon,
16:47here they want to make mom go crazy,
16:49like she has psychiatric problems
16:51and she can't be with her daughter?
16:54Here they want to make the mother go crazy,
16:57like she's careless, like she's crazy, like everything.
17:02How can a mother or a father not go to a psychologist
17:06going through all this?
17:08You, Guillermo,
17:09surely you go to the psychologist
17:11to talk about some problems
17:12that impact you there.
17:14Imagine this mother,
17:15who has been fighting for three years
17:17against a family and a judicial power
17:19that is devastating her,
17:21that is trampling on her all the time.
17:23Well, are they going to be protesting there during the day?
17:25Are they going to go to the grandparents' house?
17:27Diego?
17:28Justice! Justice!
17:30No, I am at the disposal of the parents.
17:33Nothing has been decided yet.
17:35The parents just left
17:37from the meeting with the Deputy Secretary of Justice.
17:42And we will see,
17:44obviously we have to listen to the parents,
17:47to the mother,
17:49what she dictates
17:50and what they want.
17:51I am just, as I told you,
17:53I am the spokesman,
17:54I am a reflection of what we can say
17:57about this case,
17:59so abhorrent, so painful.
18:01What do I want to tell you?
18:03I am a father
18:04and I fought for my daughter at the time.
18:07Today I have to fight for my daughter Cielo.
18:11And tomorrow I will have another case.
18:13But unfortunately, as I said at the beginning,
18:17this is just a sample of a button.
18:20The management of the judicial corporation
18:24is constant.
18:26The mismanagement, sorry, the mismanagement.
18:28We tried to talk to Judge Feldman,
18:31who does not want to give the arguments
18:34by which this resolution is carried out.
18:36And in point 5,
18:37what do you say about the parts of the resolution
18:39by which they got the girl out of the operation?
18:41Yes, the criterion by which they got the girl out of the operation.
18:43But look how they avoid, in some way,
18:45that the fact is disseminated,
18:46that the current resolution,
18:47which is included in the prohibition of dissemination,
18:49viralization and or publication
18:51of any media,
18:52diffusion, social network or WhatsApp,
18:54of the current resolution.
18:55Do you know why or not?
18:56That is previous censorship.
18:58That is previous censorship.
19:00Do you know why this?
19:01Because they are taking care of the rights of the child
19:04doing that.
19:05Do you know why?
19:06No, no, no.
19:08No, no, no.
19:09They are taking care of the rights
19:10of the alleged abuser of his own daughter.
19:12The judge asks not to be discredited.
19:14They are covering up.
19:16And she is trying to cover up her resolution
19:19so that no one knows the barbarity
19:22that must have been written
19:23to justify a precautionary measure
19:25in which a mother with a powerful homeland
19:27and without a cause to take it away
19:29is taken away from the hands of a minor.
19:32And so that she does not put,
19:33because she should have officially appointed
19:35a magistrate, a judge, a lawyer
19:38to take care of the rights of the child
19:40and it did not happen.
19:41So this is censorship and it is more serious still.
19:44Diego, we'll be back in a few minutes
19:46to see if there are any news from there.
19:48Whenever you want.
19:49Thank you, Ceci.
19:50Whenever you want, Guillermo.
19:51Ceci with that from there.
19:52Thank you for everything.
19:56Thank you very much.
19:57Because without you,
19:58without the people who accompany this case,
20:00because the people and the journalists
20:03are the ones who are going to solve these cases.
20:05These are the cases,
20:06these are the cases that solve
20:08only the people and the journalists.
20:10Yes.
20:11Because here, if not,
20:12this gets all muddy and saved.
20:15Well, it won't be like that.
20:18The Dupuy case is this
20:20and this today is a reflection of many more cases.
20:23But please, to justice,
20:26to Mrs. Feldman,
20:29who may not have read the files,
20:32she didn't realize,
20:33the advisers she must have,
20:35they didn't advise her well
20:37and she made this determination.
20:39Please.
20:40Good.
20:41Let her review and go back.
20:43At least get her out
20:45of the side of those grandparents.
20:47Diego, it is understood.
20:48Who today are being,
20:50looking, right?
20:51They are.
20:52This, justice has already investigated
20:54and brought to trial.
20:56Your son is about to be charged
20:58for rape.
20:59Rape.
21:00Tremendous.
21:01According to the girl's words,
21:02it happened in the house
21:04where today she is being protected.
21:06It's incredible, Diego.
21:07It's the same as taking the victims of repression
21:10to protect the ESMA.
21:13Thank you very much.