En un giro sorprendente, los hermanos de Loan han revocado el poder a Roberto Méndez y Juan Pablo Gallegos, sus abogados hasta ahora en la querella. Esta decisión se produce tras desacuerdos no especificados con los letrados y la reciente pérdida de Alejandro Pata, colaborador cercano a Méndez. La familia busca ahora representación legal alternativa.
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00:00We are with our colleague Rafael Palacios, our colleague there in Corrientes.
00:06Rafa, yesterday you gave this scoop, we collected, today we presented the document,
00:12which for us is a second shock in a very difficult week for Roberto Mendes,
00:18for La Querella, and now the brothers who make Rancho Aparte, right?
00:23That's how it goes, Pablo, greetings to you, to the whole team that is there.
00:28Yes, yesterday this information came out, it was made known, but let's see how La Querella is, right?
00:34Juan Pablo Gallego and also Roberto Mendes are going to represent the parents, María and José,
00:40and the rest of the brothers are going to go precisely with the representation of this person,
00:44last name, I think it's González, I don't remember at this time.
00:47Here in the document appears Sánchez, the last name plus two.
00:50No, sorry, Alejandro Sánchez, Gustavo Alejandro Sánchez, there it is.
00:55Very well.
00:55Plus two people, plus two people who are going to be the helpers.
00:59I'll tell you how the issue is going to be.
01:01Let's see.
01:02While these two people are just processing, they are processing, let's say,
01:09the authorization to be able to litigation within the federal sphere, this person is precisely in the middle.
01:17Once these two people have, have precisely the possibility to do it in the federal sphere,
01:23these two people will be in charge of the cause,
01:26or rather, in charge of the Querella of all the brothers.
01:28Behind all this is Alejandro, is Alejandro Vecchi, who is the brain of this whole issue.
01:35Let's make this clarification.
01:36He is the man in the shadows.
01:38Let's see, stop Rafa, because it's important.
01:40It sounded before Gallego, it was the opposite number,
01:44Vecchi, who is the representative of the Cabezas family, in the case of Cabezas,
01:49it was the opposite number before Gallego.
01:51Of course, that's why it caught our attention that he finally doesn't assume.
01:54But you say that behind all this is Alejandro Vecchi somehow arming the strategy.
02:04Exactly, arming the strategy Alejandro Vecchi, in this case.
02:08And we remember, that's why I tell you, somehow the commander is the one who handles this whole situation.
02:14But there was no division, let's say, in the family.
02:17It is worth informing, in relation to this.
02:21So, that's why I told you before.
02:25But Rafa, excuse me, let's talk like this.
02:31If there is no rupture, let's say they don't agree,
02:37why that paragraph that appears in the resolution,
02:41asking for it to be removed, arguing that we want to coordinate,
02:46to order better, we want to work in another way, it practically says.
02:52Exactly, because the idea is that Juan Pablo Gallego and Roberto Méndez continue with the parents.
02:58That's why we remember that Mariano was there from the first moment, right?
03:02Mariano was there from the first moment with Roberto Méndez.
03:06Well, he revokes the power, and in conjunction with the rest of the lawyers,
03:11they make up a querella apart.
03:13But in reality, they are all under the same orbit.
03:17And why? Why this amount?
03:18Because it may be necessary to take some measures,
03:21that some are taken by the parents, and others may be taken by the brothers.
03:25But there is no confrontation, let's say, we can absolutely rule that out.
03:31And fundamentally, all this is done in view of the future.
03:36What do I mean? In view of the trial that will come later, later.
03:42That's why the strategy goes that way.
03:44Of course, but I wonder, I say, let's see, Fito, because what Rafa says to me,
03:50of course, the information that Rafa has, and it is important,
03:53and at the same time I see that paragraph and it makes noise to me.
03:57Pablo, I'm in a querella, or in a defense, which is the same thing.
04:02And they come to me and put me another lawyer, and they take me out.
04:07The story that, let's go, because an oral trial is coming,
04:11the story for the strategy, because what you have to ask,
04:13I'm going to request it, without shaking my pulse.
04:16I have to ask for perpetuity for someone, detention, interrogation.
04:21What am I going to need? Mende and Gallego are going to need another lawyer
04:25to come and write something that they can't write.
04:30No, not that, Pablo, I guarantee you that.
04:33That doesn't work like that, the world of law between bambalinas.
04:39Well, Rafa, it catches my attention what Fito says, and he's right,
04:42at least from our point of view here.
04:44You may know more and are closer to the family at the moment.
04:47We have gone away from the family.
04:51Sorry, Pablo.
04:52That's why I was saying, Pablo, what must be ruled out from every point of view
04:56is that there is some conflict in the family.
04:59No, no, I'm not saying there's a conflict in the family.
05:01I'm not saying, but obviously...
05:03No, no, no, I'm not saying.
05:05What is the reason? To multiply the family legally?
05:09Exactly, that's exactly it.
05:11The concept would be that, to multiply legally, that would be the question.
05:16Rafa, let's see, because I don't distrust your information and what you say.
05:23Now, that gives you shivers or clashes with pre-existing legal realities,
05:30such as the fact that there were only these two lawyers,
05:33and with legal logic in general.
05:36What is the explanation or information that you have
05:41that they need other people to present what they couldn't present
05:46Mendez and Gallego, who are as lawyers as the ones who came?
05:51Perhaps some measure that the brothers and not the parents can take.
05:55For example, it's interesting...
05:57Accusing the parents, the only one there is.
05:59Let's see, Pablo, I'll tell you.
06:00I have legal knowledge, but not so much, let's say.
06:04No, no, no, we know, no, no.
06:07It's not with you, Rafa.
06:08It's heavy in the morning.
06:10Rafa, Rafa, we are not discussing your information,
06:13which has always been very precise.
06:15It just catches our attention,
06:17how it is that six months ago there were so many changes of lawyers,
06:21because they came,
06:23and there was also a fierce struggle by Roberto Mendez
06:28to be able to maintain and sustain himself in the cause.
06:30To the point that he stopped treating a hunter who accompanied him.
06:35Yes.
06:36But, let's see, the only measure that different parents can ask for,
06:42that is, a parent is a son,
06:45is to ask for the detention of the parents.
06:48Then there is no other, that is why it is impossible.
06:50This is not going to happen.
06:51But it is the only one, then, if they tell me.
06:53No, because we want to present written,
06:55that they could not present Mendez.
06:57And Gallego, I tell you, the only one is that, Pablo.
07:00Because then, a search, an arrest, a kidnapping,
07:04witnessing a testimony, an investigation,
07:09except for...
07:11What?
07:13This is all hypothesis, huh?
07:15Are you going to declare, Macarena?
07:17Yes, after Christmas.
07:19The father does not want to ask for detention.
07:21The 26th.
07:23The father does not want to ask for detention.
07:25The 26th, yes, yes, the 26th.
07:27The father does not want to ask for detention.
07:29The brothers do.
07:31There it is.
07:33That's why I'm telling you,
07:35is it something that parents do not share,
07:37or is it against parents?
07:39And no, there is no multiplying.
07:41Can you give us a clearer argument,
07:43at this time, Rafa,
07:45I don't know if you think the same,
07:47that it could come out there,
07:49the truth, because...
07:51You know that yes, right?
07:53I consider what Fito is saying,
07:55in some way it could go out there.
07:57Camila and Macarena.
07:59And maybe part of what she asks for detention,
08:01and part not.
08:03That is, the circumstances could come out there,
08:05which is precisely what he is saying.
08:07And we remember that Friday
08:09is the turn of the parents.
08:11Is the clarification worth it?
08:13First the parents,
08:15then...
08:17First the parents on Friday,
08:19then Macarena and Camila.
08:21Camila...
08:23No, let's see, sorry.
08:25Thursday, at 9.30am Macarena,
08:2711.30am Camila.
08:29Thursday, yes?
08:31Friday, Friday.
08:33First, Mariana Oguera,
08:359.30am, and at 11.30am
08:37it will be the turn of José Peña.
08:39That is, Thursday and Friday
08:41are the statements,
08:43this is already confirmed by the judge.
08:45And there is a clarification there.
08:47The testimonial of the parents
08:49was already determined within the writing
08:51of 1077 pages that the judge
08:53gave to know.
08:55It is not that there was a new fact
08:57to call the parents.
08:59This is already there, the judge when he says,
09:01we call to declare Macarena, Camila,
09:03and we also consider pertinent for the cause
09:05to declare José and María,
09:07because it is important for the cause.
09:09But there was no new fact,
09:11there was no important news.
09:13This was already said by the judge
09:15some time ago.
09:17Rafa, you know I was thinking,
09:19today is December 20th,
09:21at 4pm,
09:23the gifts, Santa Claus,
09:25Logan is not there.
09:27Yes.
09:29Do you consider
09:31that there is any specific suspicion
09:33that has not been investigated,
09:35that the family still has,
09:37the brothers,
09:39that there is something that is not yet
09:41reflected in the cause?
09:43I say because ...
09:45Let's see, tell me.
09:47No, you tell me, in reference to the family
09:49or the family suspects that it has
09:51about another person?
09:53About other people,
09:55I'm not talking about the family.
09:57Let's remember that at one point
09:59Logan's mother,
10:01went to Macarena's house
10:03to tell the whole truth,
10:05because she could not stand this situation.
10:07I tell you something,
10:09I was on Wednesday,
10:11I was also in the Acero area,
10:13I spoke with Grandma Catalina,
10:15and you also know what?
10:17I was with the family,
10:19and the family obviously
10:21is bad, let's say,
10:23because of these parties.
10:25But they believe that Macarena
10:27knows and knows a lot.
10:29That's why Macarena's statement
10:31is so important.
10:33I think she could
10:35be sued,
10:37and she could even
10:39be arrested.
10:41Let's remember,
10:43for those who may not be
10:45up to date with the case,
10:47and it happened a lot already,
10:49that Macarena supposedly
10:51took a nap
10:53while Logan disappeared.
10:55Exactly.
10:57But she was
10:59in El Botín.
11:01You know what they told me
11:03about El Botín?
11:05There is a fact,
11:07that El Botín appears
11:09in one place at a time,
11:11and then it appears in another.
11:13And the geolocations of the phones
11:15occur in two different places
11:17in El Botín.
11:19Let's see, the information
11:21that one handles is,
11:23they gave El Botín to Laudelina,
11:25near Las Lagunas,
11:27which yesterday gave negative results,
11:29and perhaps with the possibility
11:31that Logan entered by his own means
11:33and drowned.
11:35Laudelina had to plant El Botín.
11:37She put it in a path
11:39where it was never imagined
11:41that an animal or something
11:43would come and step on it.
11:45That's why she comes
11:47with a group of people
11:49looking for El Botín.
11:51When Amado Mendes,
11:53in his story,
11:55says that when Macarena
11:57kneels down
11:59to look for El Botín,
12:01he erases the footprints.
12:03And there is a contradiction.
12:05Macarena says
12:07he found Laudelina.
12:09Laudelina says
12:11she found Macarena at El Botín.
12:13This is the big doubt
12:15between the two.
12:17But what is true
12:19is that El Botín was given to her.
12:21It would have happened
12:23when Callao and Perez
12:25return to the abandoned school
12:27600 meters from the house.
12:29They give El Botín to her.
12:31They tell me that
12:33Laudelina gets up
12:35and puts El Botín
12:37under her.
12:39To plant it in a place
12:41where anyone could find it.
12:43But when no one finds it,
12:45they tell her to go look for El Botín.
12:47They went to a place
12:49and started looking for El Botín
12:51with a stick until they could
12:53rescue El Botín and lift it.
12:55That's why I tell you that Laudelina is key.
12:57Now, if Macarena is arrested,
12:59what happens?
13:01The half-brothers of Macarena,
13:03the other two children
13:05of Laudelina and Benitez,
13:07will have to go to an institution
13:09because there is no one
13:11who takes care of them.
13:13Maybe it's an element
13:15of pressure towards Laudelina.
13:17What does Macarena do with the children?
13:19I'll give you a point here.
13:21I was just consulting with
13:23judicial sources and they told me
13:25that there was a problem with
13:27connectivity, at least until now,
13:29between Laudelina and her children.
13:31Do you remember Monica Millapi
13:33going out of prison
13:35because she didn't have
13:37contact with her children?
13:39And supposedly, as Laudelina did,
13:41she was kept in prison.
13:43There in Mendoza,
13:45there is a request
13:47for her to be allowed
13:49to use video calls
13:51to contact her children,
13:53but that doesn't happen.
13:55Therefore, she is still unable
13:57to contact her children
13:59and is incommunicated.
14:01I ask you, because here you
14:03give the key.
14:05In the end, Macarena and Laudelina
14:07are at least involved in the mystery
14:09of the boot.
14:11And the reasons...
14:13What Laudelina knows,
14:15Macarena knows.
14:17Of course, that's what everyone thinks.
14:19And I say, they only know
14:21from the moment that Caillaba
14:23would give them the boot
14:25and she puts it underneath.
14:27Are there witnesses of this?
14:29You know that this information
14:31gave me very good sources,
14:33that it is put under the shirt.
14:35That's what they tell me about Laudelina.
14:37Now, I believe in this hypothesis
14:39that Laudelina saw what happened
14:41at that moment.
14:43Maybe she doesn't know
14:45what happened later with Loan.
14:47I think she somehow or another
14:49sees when Loan is picked up,
14:51either as a result of an accident
14:53or as a result of other circumstances.
14:55I think she doesn't lie in that part.
14:57But the problem is that
14:59maybe she doesn't know
15:01what happened later with Loan.
15:03Rafael, this is a matter of faith.
15:05Neither what you say
15:07nor what I'm going to say
15:09or what you say
15:11or what I'm going to say,
15:13neither of us is certain.
15:15But let me think
15:17that they take the baby
15:19near the orange grove.
15:21That's why they tell the story
15:23about Miyapi and Fierrito
15:25who were talking on the phone,
15:27Benitez who had arrived first
15:29and that Laudelina returns.
15:31Laudelina returns
15:33so as not to be
15:35when Loan will disappear
15:37in the orange grove.
15:39The rest is all a fiction
15:41created by Laudelina
15:43and someone who guides her.
15:45The baby disappears there,
15:47at the tip.
15:49That's why it could have been
15:51at two in the morning
15:53at the school.
15:55Someone gave her the bottle.
15:57Someone gave her the bottle,
15:59yes, but we are saying
16:01not that she saw when they took it.
16:03Maybe it's a mixture
16:05and that's why she doesn't go.
16:07But we always forget
16:09and we always forget
16:11that if Macarena is there,
16:13Laudelina is there.
16:15What woman is missing
16:17in the ascendant line, Pablo?
16:19You must know everything
16:21just like the rest.
16:23Catalina.
16:25There is that triad of women.
16:27The three know absolutely everything.
16:29He was a matriarch, Rafa,
16:31who ruled this family.
16:33Catalina.
16:35I'll tell you something.
16:37I was with Catalina
16:39on Wednesday,
16:41and she said,
16:43Lohan was taken.
16:45She continues
16:47with the story
16:49that Lohan was taken
16:51and also takes him out
16:53of the situation,
16:55both Caillabas and Pérez.
16:57Lohan was taken,
16:59and her suspicion
17:01was known
17:03for being a person
17:05who was dedicated to being a quarter.
17:07In fact, at some point she says
17:09he is a mondá.
17:11What does mondá mean in Guaraní?
17:13He is a thief who takes advantage
17:15of other people's things.
17:17She comments on this.
17:19But you know what?
17:21It may be the hypothesis
17:23that they are saying,
17:25we are back in the area,
17:27it is totally clogged,
17:29but you know what happens in this case?
17:31All hypotheses are possible.
17:33And always, when you say,
17:35it could have been this way,
17:37something is missing.
17:39Rafa, I'll ask you a question.
17:41When you talked to your grandmother,
17:43did you ask her about the sale of the field?
17:45How was that situation?
17:47I don't have it clear.
17:49I don't know if you, Pablo, have it clear.
17:51Something, yes.
17:53The issue of the sale of the field
17:55was precisely,
17:57the grandmother puts the field
17:59in the name of another person.
18:01In the case of Callao.
18:03In the case of Callao.
18:05But I'll explain why.
18:07Many of the fields where they were
18:09were actually being usurped.
18:11And the people, the neighbors,
18:13especially Roger, who is one of the nearby owners,
18:15at some point had a trial
18:17and they lost.
18:19Since they didn't want to continue losing the fields,
18:21what does the grandmother do?
18:23The grandmother puts it in the name of a third person.
18:25And the third person,
18:27in order to carry out the trial,
18:29is precisely Maria Victoria Callao.
18:31She calls her the cousin.
18:33And she is very grateful
18:35for the well and so on.
18:37But the point is,
18:39the field is taken out
18:41so that it does not have another problem of usurpation.
18:43They had already lost approximately
18:45two fields in relation to this.
18:47Linderos fields, let's say,
18:49that they lived there a long time ago.
18:51The grandmother was born in this place.
18:53And she was born in this place.
18:55Wait, Rafa, you understand that...
18:57Let's see, your version is fine.
18:59It is the reality.
19:01But you understand that it is very difficult
19:03to believe that in a fight of six or seven children
19:05you end up giving the field to another.
19:07But the argument is false, Pablo.
19:09Wait, wait, wait. Let's stop there.
19:11Okay, let's listen to him well and then we can debate.
19:13Legally, the argument is false.
19:15So that they don't usurp me in the field,
19:17I put it in your name.
19:19And that in your name they are not going to usurp it?
19:21Who are you? He-Man?
19:23No, no, no.
19:25Not that they usurp it in the field.
19:27They had some fields
19:29that they had a possession
19:31in some way for a long time.
19:33But they were fields owned by another person.
19:35This person was tried for usurpation.
19:37Then they lost
19:39fields that Linderos had
19:41in the house of Grandma Catalina.
19:43So that it does not happen to her the same,
19:45in some way she puts it in the name of a third party.
19:47Do you understand?
19:49But Rafa,
19:51why would they usurp it to another
19:53and not to them?
19:55No, no, but I explain to you, Pablo.
19:57You, when you have the possession of a field
19:59that is not yours, they judge you and you lose it.
20:01Yes.
20:03But this one, which was hers,
20:05to the point that it could transfer the property
20:07to a third party, you were not going to lose it.
20:09Exactly.
20:11No, this was the only field that was.
20:13And here comes the problem.
20:15The only person, and Adelina always repeats it,
20:17who was always around her,
20:19that is, she was always worried,
20:21was Adelina.
20:23In some way, she feels the absence of Adelina
20:25and it seems to me that there
20:27is where Adelina had the greatest possibility
20:29of staying with the field.
20:31That's where this whole story comes together.
20:33We're going to have to go back a little bit, right?
20:35Yes.
20:37Where it is not known who owns the field
20:39and Adelina feels upset.
20:41And we remember Benítez's words when he says
20:43Stay calm, woman,
20:45they're going to pay where it hurts the most.
20:47Don't forget that famous phrase.
20:49Sure, sure.
20:51Let's see, Rafa, I want to follow this line of reasoning
20:53because it seems interesting to me.
20:55You know that
20:57several months ago
20:59we made it transcend
21:01because we received information
21:03that there would be a friend of Adelina
21:05who would have in her power
21:07part of a payment in advance.
21:09We don't know what.
21:11We don't know the requirements
21:13that Gustavo Vera himself had made
21:15wanting to be credible.
21:17And there was a version going around
21:19and it came to us from different places
21:21because there were people from Mercedes,
21:23I understand, and I don't know if there was any other town
21:25that supposedly had money that would be Adelina's.
21:27This, of course,
21:29you were just asking me
21:31what was the relationship with the field.
21:33The field strategically
21:35is important because it is next to Route 12.
21:37It was even said
21:39that there was a group
21:41of people who wanted to leave those fields
21:43to be able to have a free way
21:45to throw some kind of illegal substance
21:47and then transfer it
21:49along the route.
21:51It was one of so many hypotheses
21:53that went around the field,
21:55not regarding the field.
21:57Exactly, because the field
21:59has an exit to Route 12,
22:01approximately 14 or 20 minutes
22:03for the sector,
22:05sorry, it has an exit to Route 123.
22:07And let's also remember
22:09that it has a strategic position
22:11because it is, let's see,
22:13almost two hours away from the field.
22:15Yes.