👉 Una controvertida decisión judicial ha otorgado la custodia de una niña a sus abuelos paternos, a pesar de las acusaciones de abuso por parte del padre. La madre y la familia materna denuncian que la justicia no ha prestado suficiente atención al caso y cuestionan el impacto psicológico que esta situación puede tener en la menor.
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00:00The party that we are going to have.
00:02To see everyone, the grandfather in the back, armed.
00:06The push-ups, the push-ups.
00:10A girl totally in crisis, in tears.
00:12Her mother clinging to her arms.
00:14The girl clinging to her mother's arms.
00:17The grandparents, what they see there is a minor.
00:22To the push-ups with the family, gendarmerie.
00:26A girl in a crisis of an irreparable cry.
00:31Push-ups, paternal grandparents taking the minor.
00:36And a situation of which,
00:39unfortunately, we have to report
00:42on this day.
00:44A resource of support in the middle.
00:47And someone in justice who has not paid attention.
00:53The grandparents took the girl against the will of the minor.
00:56Obviously, but it is seen that for justice
00:58the will of the minor does not matter.
01:00Now,
01:03why do you come to this situation,
01:06Lautaro Villamor?
01:07Let's explain the story.
01:08Yes.
01:09We all saw this video.
01:11And everyone obviously supports the mother, the girl in heaven.
01:15And everyone has seen this.
01:17But why does the father claim this girl?
01:19And why does justice give the tenancy to the grandparents of the father
01:23and takes out the tenancy to the mother?
01:24Well, you know that here the spokesman of the family is telling me.
01:29Diego Sassari.
01:31The images you are seeing,
01:34one sees, it is heartbreaking, right?
01:36But of course,
01:37there is a supposed interdisciplinary team
01:40that starts asking the girl,
01:42a psychologist,
01:44a social worker,
01:45a specialist in the family.
01:48Of course, they try to convince,
01:51tell the girl that she has to go back to her father.
01:55Of course,
01:56there is a complaint
01:58that the maternal family makes
02:02of an abuse of the father.
02:04The girl is six years old.
02:05Wait, wait, wait.
02:06Of an abuse of the stepfather?
02:07Of the father.
02:08Of the father.
02:09And why does justice give it to the father?
02:11Well,
02:12first,
02:13because the abuse is not proven by the justice.
02:16The experts there are from the denouncing party.
02:21That on the one hand.
02:23On the other hand,
02:24this interdisciplinary team that the spokesman of the family is telling me,
02:27that puts the justice,
02:28shows,
02:29I'm going to read you a text,
02:30because this is what the judge of childhood and adolescence says,
02:34that affections are evidenced towards the grandfather,
02:38towards his aunt,
02:39towards his father,
02:40towards his cousins,
02:41and he notices a fluid behavior of exchange with adults.
02:47Now,
02:48is it normal for a girl to start like that?
02:50No, it's not terrible.
02:51It's psychological.
02:52It's psychologically.
02:53It's crazy.
02:54This is psychologically normal?
02:57Really, I tell you.
03:00Now we can talk about the mother being sad,
03:03that the father is crying.
03:05We can talk about anything.
03:07Give me a second, Flor.
03:10We can talk.
03:11If not, I'll stop now so we can go to the son.
03:13I'll stop slowly.
03:14I'll stop slowly.
03:15We can talk about a lot of situations.
03:18We can talk
03:19about a lot of situations.
03:20Can we talk about
03:22that
03:23out there,
03:24out there,
03:25out there,
03:26the girl can be better with her grandparents?
03:27Can we talk about that?
03:28Yes.
03:29Yes?
03:30Can we say that?
03:31With her.
03:32Is that okay?
03:33But,
03:34what do we tell the judge
03:35that they get a girl like that?
03:37How do you recover the trauma
03:38of a girl like that?
03:41How do you get her out of her head?
03:43The situation of her mother crying,
03:46of that shooting,
03:47how do you psychologically
03:48rape a six-year-old girl?
03:51My daughter is five.
03:52Imagine that.
03:53I started to think.
03:55She's going to be six.
03:56You kind of know how it works,
04:00the feelings.
04:01Imagine that.
04:02I looked at my daughter yesterday and said,
04:05imagine that
04:07she has to go through this.
04:08What are the days after that?
04:12The girl now asks for her mother.
04:13She's been through a lot.
04:15I mean,
04:16it's an irreparable psychological damage.
04:18She is six years old
04:19and her mother's arms were ripped off.
04:20It's one of the plates
04:21that we have to show.
04:23But,
04:24now,
04:27under what circumstances
04:29do you give her to her father?
04:31Under what circumstances
04:32do you take this girl?
04:34Why does justice allow this?
04:36And in this way,
04:38so abruptly.
04:39Now,
04:40they say that the mother
04:41had made a complaint
04:42for abuse of the biological father.
04:43Yes, yes.
04:44And you know that...
04:46Now,
04:47the question is...
04:48Wait, wait.
04:49Let's explain it well.
04:50Yes.
04:51Because you don't understand anything.
04:53Let's explain it well.
04:54Why?
04:55The grandfather's eyes.
04:56Listen to me.
04:58There we are going to connect
04:59to part of the family.
05:00Yes, yes.
05:01But what I want to explain
05:02seriously,
05:03as we see,
05:04we don't.
05:05We have a family.
05:06The tenancy was held by the mother.
05:07Yes.
05:08Okay.
05:09The mother,
05:10living with the girl,
05:11makes a complaint to the father.
05:14Correct.
05:15They never had a shared tenancy?
05:17As far as I know, no.
05:20And why does justice...
05:21And what justice does
05:22is, in the face of a complaint from the father,
05:25it gives the tenancy to the father.
05:28Let's see, Gaby.
05:29Gaby.
05:30No, what I understand,
05:31we are going to talk to someone now,
05:32is that...
05:33Now we are going to explain it.
05:34It is a re-link
05:35Yes.
05:36that it has with the grandfathers.
05:37That is, the grandfathers have the right
05:39to see...
05:40Tear it off
05:41in this way
05:42from the mother's arms?
05:43Exactly.
05:44There is no way
05:45that any judge
05:46can allow something like this.
05:48Prosecutor, whatever,
05:49I don't care.
05:50It's the judge.
05:51I mean, you have to call and say...
05:53Is this legal?
05:55Yes, it is legal.
05:56It is legal.
05:57Is it legal to tear off a six-year-old girl like this
05:58while she is in psychology?
05:59Unfortunately, yes.
06:00Unfortunately, yes.
06:01But you, as a human being...
06:02It's barbaric, man.
06:03You, as a human being,
06:04have to call and say,
06:05look,
06:06you said we should take the girl.
06:07At this moment,
06:08the child is in shock,
06:09she is going to be in her head
06:10for the rest of her life.
06:11We are going to leave her here
06:12and then when things
06:13get calmer,
06:14I'll take her back.
06:15I have nothing against grandparents.
06:16This is my idea.
06:17But if grandparents
06:18are going to tear off
06:19the girl from the mother's arms
06:20in this way,
06:21really,
06:22grandparents,
06:23I'm telling you
06:24looking at the camera.
06:26If you are going to tear off
06:27the girl
06:28and make her live
06:29this situation
06:30as grandparents,
06:31you would have to review
06:32your situation
06:33as grandparents.
06:34In the complaint,
06:35grandparents,
06:36according to the mother's family,
06:37and now we are going to
06:38check and check
06:39this information again,
06:40they are
06:41necessary participants
06:42of the abuse
06:43that they are abused,
06:44that they are abused.
06:45Well,
06:46that will have to be determined
06:47by justice.
06:48Yes, well,
06:49it's fine.
06:50Besides,
06:51if the judge
06:52is not proven,
06:53because if not,
06:54the judge ...
06:55I don't know,
06:56I don't know,
06:57because if the judge
06:58allowed this
06:59and if the public force,
07:00if the officers,
07:01if the police
07:02that are there,
07:03officers,
07:04I don't know what the hell
07:05they are,
07:06they endorse this,
07:07please.
07:08The first thing is the gesture
07:09of the girl
07:10pushing the stepfather
07:11with another boy
07:12in her arms.
07:13Horrible.
07:14What's going on?
07:15What are we doing?
07:16That's violence,
07:17that's violence.
07:18Who is connected?
07:19Diego Sazari
07:20is a spokesman
07:21for the family.
07:22Diego Sazari,
07:23spokesman for the family?
07:24Look,
07:25I'm going to tell you
07:26something
07:27about the
07:28Mínculo Sano Foundation.
07:29I tried to talk to the mother,
07:30I have not been lucky.
07:31I tried to talk
07:32to closer relatives,
07:33I have not been lucky.
07:34I want to hear
07:35the situation anyway.
07:36It's not that
07:37no one believes them,
07:38okay?
07:39But I would like
07:40that at least
07:41the primary participants
07:42talk.
07:43They sent me
07:44800,000 messages
07:45to my private account.
07:46They did not make
07:47deaf ears.
07:48We are doing
07:49the subject here,
07:50yes?
07:51We are doing
07:52the subject here.
07:53Now,
07:54I have not had the possibility
07:55to talk to any family.
07:56I talk to a spokesman
07:57of a ...
07:58The truth is,
07:59the situation
08:00is also complex.
08:01Okay?
08:02What's the name?
08:03Please repeat it to me.
08:04Diego Sazari.
08:05Diego Sazari.
08:06Diego, how are you?
08:07Alejandro Pueblas speaks to you
08:08from, well,
08:09your role as a spokesman,
08:10a little bit,
08:11the situation.
08:12How are you?
08:13Good morning.
08:14Good morning
08:15to the whole table
08:16and good morning
08:17to all the people
08:18who are watching.
08:19Well,
08:20to clarify a little.
08:21The girl,
08:22Cielo,
08:23is the daughter
08:24of, well,
08:25of her father,
08:26of her mother.
08:27At the time,
08:28they had separated.
08:29This separation
08:30was due to
08:31gender violence
08:32towards her mother.
08:33This man
08:34had dragged her
08:35to his wife
08:36at the time.
08:37This came out
08:38in a statement.
08:39This was affirmed.
08:40He was sentenced
08:41in suspension
08:42for a year
08:43and from there
08:44they had
08:45a shared tenancy.
08:46Within that
08:47shared tenancy,
08:48this father,
08:49apparently,
08:50and for what
08:51the mother
08:52later denounces,
08:53the creature
08:54had suffered
08:55gender violence.
08:56Yes?
08:57I mean,
08:58gender violence,
08:59no,
09:00sorry,
09:01abuse.
09:02Abuse.
09:03Abuse.
09:04Abuse.
09:05Abuse.
09:06Abuse.
09:07Abuse.
09:08Well,
09:09from this
09:10a whole
09:11shootout
09:12with the
09:13justice begins
09:14because
09:15this family
09:16is a powerful
09:17family,
09:18a family of power
09:19here that has
09:20money
09:21and apart
09:22has very good
09:23connections,
09:24yes,
09:25yes,
09:26yes,
09:27the father's
09:28family.
09:29Yes.
09:30Well,
09:31from there
09:32a whole shootout
09:33begins.
09:34They put
09:35him in a legal
09:36jail
09:37and where she
09:38cannot refer to
09:39the issue
09:40anywhere,
09:41except in
09:42justice,
09:43nowhere.
09:44She cannot
09:45speak of the
09:46case,
09:47she cannot
09:48speak of the
09:49family,
09:50of the grandparents,
09:51of anyone.
09:52She cannot
09:53refer to
09:54anything,
09:55nothing,
09:56nor the
09:57family,
09:58nor the
09:59family.
10:00Well,
10:01I want to
10:02make this
10:03very clear.
10:04I'm not on
10:05the TV.
10:06Ah,
10:07look,
10:08a good sound
10:09comes in
10:10to be able
10:11to hear you
10:12well.
10:13Can you
10:14connect me
10:15to a lawyer
10:16who can
10:17explain this
10:18to us
10:19for a
10:20second?
10:21Can you
10:22talk to
10:23Dana Ross?
10:24Can you
10:25talk to
10:26Dana Ross,
10:27the lawyer
10:28of the
10:29family?
10:30Look,
10:31I'm going
10:32to tell you,
10:33I'm going
10:34to tell you.
10:35I'm going
10:36to tell you
10:37tonight.
10:38But
10:39I want to
10:49explain
10:50to you
10:51so you
10:52can
10:53speak
10:54of the
10:55family
10:56in
10:57detail,
10:58so that
10:59we
11:00don't
11:01lose
11:02the family to be able to speak and express, in some way, what they had been living.
11:07They, to be able to start with the case of abuse, had to go to Buenos Aires, to the federal justice,
11:14because the justice of Chaco did not give them an article.
11:16Yes.
11:17I want it to be understood, these people, these frugoni, are people of a lot of money and who have a lot of power.
11:26We are talking, we are fighting against that here.
11:29It is not only a judicial system that is affected, because it is seen, but in the long run,
11:36the deficiency that the procedure of justice has here.
11:40You can't order, even if you don't believe it, the movement that was made to get the girl Cielo out of her mother's arms,
11:51was approached with a psychological team, with psychopedagogists.
11:58That is, there was a whole team.
11:59All that team told the judge, the procedure cannot be carried out.
12:04It cannot be carried out, and the judge ordered the procedure anyway.
12:08Diego.
12:08Yes.
12:09Here we have to talk about something very serious, because the rights of the child were violated,
12:15in addition to all the mess that we are going to see among the elderly.
12:20Diego.
12:20The other day, what it was, it was a violation of the rights of the child.
12:26Diego, did you hear me? Lautaro greets you.
12:28I want to ask you the following.
12:29Was the little brother also there? Does Cielo have a little brother?
12:33Little sister.
12:34Little sister. Age?
12:36He was there at three years old.
12:37The girl is six years old.
12:39The little sister is three years old.
12:41Cielo lived practically all her life with her mother.
12:45The judge re-inculcated her with her grandparents.
12:49She practically did not listen to her paternal grandparents.
12:53But now, Diego.
12:54It was totally forced.
12:55Excuse me, what do you know about this?
12:58I just commented that it was a re-inculation with the grandparents,
13:01that perhaps the grandparents do have legal rights over the children to see them.
13:06Perhaps, in the case of contact prevention by the mother, they have the right to see him.
13:10Now, the re-inculation could not be in the girl's house, where the girl is safe,
13:16with her mother, who comes once a week, or a social worker.
13:20Do they have to tear her apart like animals?
13:23Well, I'll explain.
13:24I don't know the subject well, what happened,
13:26because only the mother and the father know and we can't talk.
13:28But, Diego, this start...
13:32Listen to me, I'll explain.
13:34The re-inculation had been tried for a long time.
13:39The mother refused. Why?
13:40Because the judge ordered that the re-inculation be this way,
13:45that it be given to the grandparents,
13:47and the grandparents were going to take her to the grandparents' home, obviously.
13:51The subject, you know what it is?
13:52This is the most serious, the most redundant.
13:55According to the accusations of abuse that are being carried out
13:59and that the justice is investigating,
14:01the abuses were made there, at the grandparents' home.
14:06Epa!
14:07And there they wanted to take the girl?
14:09How are you going to take a girl to a place where they had supposedly abused her?
14:13She is still in the investigative stage.
14:16There is a prosecutor who is about to raise the cause next year,
14:20because the investigative stage has apparently already ended
14:23and this is being brought to trial, yes?
14:26So it means that there is enough evidence to accuse him.
14:30If there is a reasonable and very patent doubt from a judge,
14:35how is this judge of minors not going to take that into account?
14:40And the grandparents are going to take the girl, yes.
14:42She is in the house of the parents where they supposedly abused her.
14:47And the justice will allow it, Ale.
14:49Imagine.
14:50Because the police could have said, I don't know, the judges.
14:54I can't do this right now, look how the creature is.
14:56The cause for abuse continues, right?
14:59The cause for abuse continues.
15:00Can't there be a manipulation of the grandparents about the girl
15:03so that they can make the future statements?
15:05But already, to tear her apart in that way,
15:10the video, that one, no.
15:12There is another video that they just put
15:14of the girl hugged, clinging to her mother,
15:17that reminds me of my daughter when she hugs me,
15:20and that the grandmother, that lady,
15:23that the truth, sincerely, lady, what she is doing is very bad,
15:27tears the girl apart like this,
15:29and look how she hits the girl in the arms,
15:31and that the girl continues to want to take her out.
15:34It seems to me that this is a...
15:36Look how they throw their arms at the girl, the grandfather.
15:40But look how the grandfather
15:42forces a six-year-old girl.
15:44That's violence.
15:46Against a six-year-old girl.
15:48So the family, this supposed powerful family,
15:51sends me a letter, a document,
15:53that will go to the same place where the Moritan papers were.
15:57Tear the girl apart like this,
16:00in this way,
16:02with the force you did.
16:04That man, who is supposedly the grandfather,
16:07pulling the girl with that force.
16:10I don't want to know...
16:11Alvaro Diego, I don't want to know,
16:14and I don't even want to think.
16:16What that girl is living now.
16:18I don't even want to think.
16:19What the girl lived in the car
16:21until she got to the grandparents' house.
16:23I don't even want to think how the girl is now.
16:26I don't even want to think about it.
16:27Imagine the report that passed
16:30from the judicial power the next day.
16:33Two days later,
16:34they passed a report on how the girl was,
16:36because no one knew how she was.
16:38The report said that the girl was spectacular,
16:42that she was playing, that she was perfect, and so on.
16:45Who can be perfect after all that?
16:48The shots...
16:49Play the full video again,
16:51where you can see how the grandfather pulls her arm.
16:54Look, look.
16:55Look how he grabs her arm.
16:57That girl's arms are all purple.
16:59The girl screams.
17:00How can you do that?
17:02The blood.
17:03Ale, I want...
17:04But the blood to...
17:05The blood to do that?
17:07Yes.
17:07Damn!
17:08I want to tell you, Ale,
17:09that when you go to the pediatrician,
17:11up to a certain amount of years,
17:13the pediatrician tells you
17:15that you can't grab the boys by the arms
17:18because you dislocate them.
17:19Because their bones are not...
17:22Fully formed.
17:23Fully formed and well-grabbed.
17:25You can't do that.
17:27She smells a little blood.
17:28I guess she's a mother.
17:29Look at this animal.
17:31What a beard.
17:31Look at this human beast.
17:33Look what that animal does.
17:35You can't do that.
17:37Look what that animal does.
17:38You can't do that.
17:40Look.
17:42It's hurting her.
17:43It's hurting her.
17:44It's a man grabbing her arms.
17:45Look how he grabs her.
17:46They're not fully formed yet.
17:48Look how you can feel the force in this beast's arms.
17:52Diego.
17:53Yes?
17:54Did you apply for an economic fine?
17:55I'm...
17:58I want to be prudent.
17:59The last fine was 70,000 pesos
18:02because he spoke to a media outlet
18:04a couple of weeks ago
18:06or I think last week.
18:08It's okay.
18:09It's the last fine.
18:10But he already has more than 1.5 million fines to pay.
18:14No, that's why I say...
18:15As he said...
18:16Because the same thing happens to all of us.
18:17As Ale just said,
18:20we try to communicate with the lawyer,
18:25with the mother,
18:26in short, with the mother's family.
18:30It's good to clarify that you speak as a spokesman for the family
18:34because there's a spokesman
18:36and every time they try to speak,
18:38they apply economic fines
18:40which is a lot of money for anyone
18:42and in this case, they keep accumulating.
18:43Is that right?
18:44Yes, yes, yes.
18:45And listen,
18:46I don't know if tomorrow they'll fine me too
18:49and a trial and so on.
18:51I'm going to get a document letter
18:53but I can't stay quiet.
18:54But what does this family do?
18:56So much power to...
18:57Powerful.
18:58Feudal.
18:59Powerful.
19:00Do you know how many times I was shocked by this?
19:02Do you know how many times I was shocked by Chaco
19:03when I went to do Cecilia's thing?
19:05Do you know how many times I was shocked by Corrientes?
19:09How many?
19:10Unfortunately...
19:11And do you know how many times no one does anything?
19:13Out of fear.
19:15Out of fear.
19:16Unfortunately, yes.
19:17Unfortunately, yes.
19:18It happens.
19:19This happens in front of a case
19:22and it's not just one.
19:24There are many, many cases.
19:26Very similar.
19:27Dr. Feldman, who is the judge
19:29and is the cause of the girl Cielo.
19:32In the family court,
19:33there are many complaints about the judge's actions.
19:38Diego, we're not saying
19:41that the re-linking is bad or good.
19:43We're not...
19:45We're talking about the way it happened
19:50to the child.
19:52To a six-year-old woman.
19:54We're talking about that.
19:55We're not talking about...
19:56I mean, I don't know what kind of fine we might get,
19:59but we're talking about something else.
20:02We're not talking about what corresponds or doesn't correspond.
20:04Can I ask a basic question?
20:06As we approach the subject,
20:09it's normal for a boy or a girl to be with their mom, right?
20:15If the family is separated,
20:17if their parents are separated,
20:20it's normal, in quotation marks,
20:23for the girl to be with her mom.
20:26I ask Diego, who's probably there
20:29and can have more contact with the reality
20:34prior to what happened to this family.
20:37Why isn't she permanently with her mother?
20:41She practically lived her whole life with her mother.
20:45Today, justice has ruled that for the sake of the girl,
20:50she has to live with the grandparents who didn't know her.
20:52And what is the argument?
20:53Because the sake of the girl...
20:55I don't have the fault here.
20:57At least not completely.
20:59Now, what is the argument that the judge gives
21:03to say that the girl will live better with her grandparents
21:07than with her mother?
21:08Beyond the issue of abuse.
21:10I want to know why the judge argues that she will be better
21:13with her grandparents than with her mother.
21:15Is it a purely economic condition?
21:18What they say... No, no.
21:20Look, the girl had an optimal social life.
21:25She went to the school of fine arts,
21:27she went to her elementary school,
21:30she went dancing, she went swimming.
21:33In other words, an optimal life.
21:35If you see the images, it's not a house that's falling apart.
21:38No, no, no.
21:39The mother...
21:41The image ends when they tear it.
21:43The mother formed...
21:45Diego, correct me this.
21:48But it has to do with what you ask.
21:50He's talking about the house.
21:52And what we're asking you, Diego,
21:54is why...
21:55This is a relationship that would end
21:58on the 20th of February.
22:01I mean, it's not that they take it out forever.
22:04Let's clarify the subject well,
22:05because otherwise we're miscommunicating, Diego.
22:07But listen.
22:08With the prohibition of the approach of the mother
22:12of all relatives...
22:13She's going to live with her grandparents.
22:15No, no, but until February.
22:18Until next year.
22:19Imagine the date we have now.
22:21I don't know why they made it so long.
22:23But that's going to be a review.
22:25It's just going to be a review of the conditions.
22:27If the judge evaluates that the conditions are good,
22:30because for the judge,
22:31the girl has to live with her grandparents,
22:33that's what I don't...
22:35I don't understand
22:37why the judge establishes
22:39what are the conditions to say
22:42to the magistrate
22:43that she's going to live better with her grandparents
22:45than with her mother.
22:46But Otario just said...
22:47Otario, the alleged abuse was at the grandparents' house?
22:51Yes.
22:52So the girl is going to live in the alleged abuse
22:55until February.
22:57But for the judge there was no abuse.
22:59For the judge there was no abuse.
23:01Now, if there was no abuse,
23:02why did they take her out to her mother?
23:04Because there's no shared tenancy.
23:06On Wednesday you go with your dad,
23:08on Thursday you go with your mom,
23:09on Friday you go with your grandpa.
23:10Why until February?
23:12Let's get to the point.
23:13Let's get to the point.
23:14The mother spoke.
23:15Let's get to the point.
23:16The information is urgent
23:18because the mother has spoken.
23:23The mother has spoken
23:25and has expressed a letter
23:28regarding the situation and says,
23:30I have decided not to go to any square,
23:34playground in the city of Resistencia
23:37so that she can enjoy them
23:40without having to take care of crossing me
23:43because of the prohibition of approach
23:46that I have towards her,
23:48justified in the psychological and emotional damage
23:54that I would cause her.
23:56That I would cause her.
23:58If you feed me back, give me another one.
24:00Give me another one.
24:01Look, point two.
24:03I have also decided not to communicate
24:06with any of the parents of her friends
24:09and classmates
24:11with the sole purpose
24:13that they attend them
24:15when they ring the bell
24:17or send them messages to see them.
24:19I mean, it's a very complex situation.
24:22So that they don't fear
24:24that they try to connect me with my daughter.
24:28I mean, imagine the situation of this mother.
24:31It's a delirium.
24:32I would love to be able to talk to both parents.
24:34I swear, I have an intrigue with all this.
24:36I follow a little more.
24:37Give it to me again.
24:41It says...
24:43If you wish, the parents of the community...
24:45I got lost.
24:46Up there.
24:47If you wish, the parents...
24:48There it is.
24:49Your grandparents.
24:50Good.
24:51Here, keep talking to her, right?
24:53Keep talking.
24:57The truth is, the situation...
24:59And reading the message...
25:05I mean, on top of...
25:06I mean, I don't understand the judge.
25:08I don't understand the judge.
25:09I don't understand a person.
25:10Is this lady a mother?
25:12The mother of the little girl, with this message,
25:15what is she saying, Ale?
25:17I restrict myself from any possibility
25:21that someone suspects
25:23that they can approach me
25:25or have the intention of approaching my daughter.
25:27I restrict myself from all common and public spaces
25:31in which I can somehow be suspicious
25:35of wanting to approach my daughter.
25:37We are talking about the mother.
25:39Why?
25:40Because the mother is already seeing in February,
25:42as Gaby said.
25:43Now, the question I want someone to answer me is,
25:47why does the judge understand that it is better
25:50for the girl to be with her paternal grandparents
25:53than with her own mother?
25:55Yes, in the conditions in which she lived with her mother,
25:57it was a normal situation for the girl.
25:59What they say, and what they just said over the phone,
26:02is because they are friends of power.
26:04That's the answer.
26:05That's the answer.
26:06In other words, the judge is also a woman who...
26:08She is a woman who responds to the established powers.
26:11And you are any human citizen who lives in the country,
26:14and in neighboring Spanish-speaking countries,
26:17and you watch this video.
26:19What do you think?
26:20There is no doubt.
26:21Doctor, can we add you to this topic?
26:23Of course.
26:24What do you think of this, Dr. Marcarian?
26:26We welcome you, Dr. Marcarian.
26:27She does everything professionally, but she is also part of the team.
26:30Can you help us a little, doctor?
26:32Your father is a vast lawyer.
26:34He has been here these days.
26:35I speculate that you have also been here since you were young.
26:38But what is the situation of this, Dr. Marcarian?
26:41Let's see, we have to eradicate some myths that one has about the family.
26:46That one talks about the family that is sacred.
26:49It is assumed that parents are the safe place for children.
26:52But there are cases, not only this one,
26:54there are a lot of cases where children are not the priority.
26:58And this is a clear example.
27:00And this of belonging to the power or the elite of some province
27:05or some specific place,
27:07causes these situations to occur.
27:10Vulnerable children who are not taken into account.
27:13And we have to take care not only of the situation and the family context,
27:17but also of the children who can express themselves,
27:20who can say what is happening to them,
27:22and not be under the power of your government.
27:25But now, doctor, if you see this situation of the parents starting like this,
27:29you, who are close to justice,
27:32your father has had experience, I imagine, in a thousand criminal cases and others.
27:37What do you observe here?
27:38Inconceivable.
27:39It can not be.
27:40It is inconceivable.
27:41It does not exist in the country.
27:43In no way.
27:44That a girl is torn from her mother's arms,
27:46generating this trauma to the minor.
27:48Now, with these videos that have circulated,
27:52anyone could go and denounce this situation.
27:56In fact, there are lines that one can denounce without having to give the name.
28:01The identity of the person denouncing is protected.
28:03The same mother could denounce.
28:05Of course.
28:06Look, follow a little bit of the statement,
28:08and I have to go on with this topic,
28:10then we will continue, obviously.
28:12In the last point of the statement,
28:15which we just read from the mother,
28:17it makes reference and allusion to why she does not have talks with any of the media.
28:23You also have to know that when you fight against giants with economic powers,
28:27it is not so easy, guys.
28:29Look, go up a little bit.
28:30I just sent a message to Dr. Fernando Burlando,
28:32and I want to see if he answers me.
28:33Put me the point 3.
28:37Scroll me, look.
28:38There is the point 3.
28:39Go down a little bit.
28:40Go down.
28:41Here.
28:42There we are going to get to point 3, which is up there.
28:44A little bit.
28:45There we go.
28:46There it is.
28:47I make public the request that I made to my parents.
28:51Liliana Barrientos and Sergio Gauna.
28:54And to my parents, Afines Norma and Pomelo.
29:00Try as much as possible not to make,
29:03and there it goes,
29:04more judicial measures for contact.
29:07With humility in your heart,
29:10approach the paternal family and dialogue as adults.
29:15Seek to reach the most respectful solution.
29:21For the girl, both are and will be her family.
29:26It does not matter at this moment if they believe or not
29:31the story of C, of the girl.
29:33Do not think about them, but about your granddaughter.
29:36That seeing them all, well, will give her great joy,
29:39and so on, what the mother says.
29:41In addition, the mother lowering the tone, right?
29:44Of the situation.
29:45It continues to self-restrict,
29:46because she is observing towards February,
29:49towards that second judicial instance
29:51in which she will obviously try to recover her daughter.
29:55That is why she is self-restricting,
29:57not only her,
29:58she does not go to public spaces,
30:00she does not go to a square where she can cross with her daughter,
30:03she will not go to the school door,
30:05because it is likely that she will cross with the girl,
30:08and she will not have contact with the parents
30:10of the course where the girl goes.
30:12And she is telling her own family,
30:14do not contact and much less fight with the paternal family
30:18because this is bad for C,
30:20that is, this is bad for my daughter.
30:22Obviously, she continues to self-restrict
30:25because she is looking at February.
30:27And she can not talk to the others, right?
30:28She can not talk to anyone.
30:29Because they fine her.
30:30But how is she going to talk to a medium
30:32if she is restricted from going to a square?
30:34Let's see, we are talking about a mother,
30:37a woman who is doing the impossible
30:42to settle in space and time
30:46in order to recover her daughter.
30:48But this question that we ask ourselves,
30:50why does justice give the tenancy
30:52to the parents of the parent suspected of abuse?
30:56We still do not have it.
30:57Anyone who is watching this
30:59and has a minimum of power
31:01and can give a hand to the family,
31:03please, if you are...