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ボクらの時代 2024年12月22日 坂本昌行×長野博×井ノ原快彦
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00:00Episode 2
00:02Today, we have these three guests with us.
00:05I can't believe the three of us are wearing costumes,
00:08kneeling down and talking to each other.
00:10Yeah, there's usually a set up.
00:13This time, we were asked to talk about anything,
00:16so it's really going to be a normal talk.
00:18Yeah.
00:19I mean, it's kind of an episode,
00:22and it's a pretty rough story.
00:24Yeah, it's rough, but I think there are people
00:27who don't know what we're talking about,
00:30so we've been very polite.
00:32Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:34I've been talking a lot since I became a salaryman.
00:36Yeah, that's right.
00:38We started working from the moment
00:41we started dancing in the back of our seniors.
00:45I was 12 years old.
00:47Back then, we were able to open a bar.
00:49Yeah, we were able to.
00:50We went on a tour together,
00:53and we would gather in the hotel room
00:55because it was summer,
00:57and we would play a lot on the bed.
00:59We would say,
01:00Look, look!
01:01It was amazing.
01:02I thought,
01:03Wow, that's amazing.
01:04Sakamoto-kun is a person who doesn't get tired.
01:06Yeah.
01:07A few years later,
01:08I asked my seniors,
01:09What did you think of me when I came in?
01:11They said,
01:12You looked like a pain in the ass.
01:14That's true.
01:15You know,
01:16I went home in the middle of the lesson.
01:18I was like a silver screen star.
01:20I was like,
01:21What are you waiting for?
01:23I was like,
01:24I'm going home!
01:25I had that image.
01:28I wanted to form a group with these two in the future.
01:33I was like,
01:34Sakamoto-san,
01:35if that happens...
01:37It's going to affect my inner self.
01:40Please forgive me.
01:41That's what I felt.
01:43One day,
01:44when Sakamoto-kun went to tell me that he was quitting the company,
01:47Nagano-kun followed him,
01:49and I followed him.
01:51I was like,
01:52Why don't you say something bad?
01:54I was wondering if Sakamoto-kun was the only one who was going to quit.
01:57Even Nagano-kun said,
01:59Actually,
02:00I'm going to start a job.
02:02Then all of a sudden,
02:03the people at the company said,
02:04You're going to quit too, right?
02:05No, I'm not going to quit!
02:06I'm not going to quit!
02:07That's right.
02:08After that,
02:09I went back to the hotel room.
02:11I can't forget it.
02:12Was it Osaka?
02:13Yes.
02:14I said,
02:15Sakamoto-kun, don't quit.
02:16I said,
02:17I want to form a group someday.
02:19I said,
02:20That's not what I meant.
02:22You're calm.
02:23You're calm.
02:24That's right.
02:25That's exactly what I meant.
02:27After that,
02:28I'm going to quit.
02:29That's right.
02:30Sakamoto-kun.
02:31I'm not there anymore.
02:32I'm a junior.
02:33That's right.
02:34I suddenly became the top of the juniors.
02:36Yes.
02:37At first,
02:38I thought Nagano-kun would come back.
02:40Was it me first?
02:41I think so.
02:42I see.
02:43I was a little bit
02:44I was a little bit
02:45I was a little bit
02:46I was a little bit
02:47I was a little bit
02:48I thought he was Nakano.
02:50At the rehearsal.
02:51I'm not sure what to say.
02:53I'm not sure what to say.
02:55Ah, ah.
02:56It's been a while.
02:58I remember,
02:59Oh, Nakano-kun.
03:01I remember, I remember,
03:02I remember, I remember,
03:03He was on a one-legged stand.
03:04He was on a one-legged stand.
03:05On the sofa.
03:06I was on a sofa,
03:07like this on a one-legged stand.
03:08The entrance was over there.
03:09The entrance was over there.
03:10Oh, Nakano-kun.
03:13I know, I know.
03:14I remember the angle.
03:16I remember,
03:17Yes, yes, yes. The rehearsal room in Roppongi.
03:21When Nagano-kun came, there were six or seven of us.
03:24Yes, yes.
03:25And the next day was the final rehearsal of the Shounentai concert.
03:31It was a genepro.
03:33Nagano-kun told me to teach him the choreography.
03:38How many songs?
03:40About ten songs.
03:41That's quite a lot.
03:43I taught it to Nagano-kun overnight.
03:46Then I memorized everything perfectly.
03:49So I did it with those seven people.
03:52In the end, Nagano-kun stayed and said,
03:54let's do it with six people.
03:56One person quit.
03:58Nagano-kun was chosen.
03:59In just one day.
04:01So I went on tour.
04:03And there, with Nagano-kun,
04:05I started to talk about the worries that I couldn't tell anyone.
04:10And I'll never forget the hotel in Fukuoka.
04:14In front of Yoyogi, there is Yobiko.
04:16It said Yoyogi Seminar.
04:18I don't care about the word.
04:21I remember that much.
04:23We talked about it until the morning.
04:25We talked about our future debut.
04:27We talked about it until the morning.
04:29It's not easy for people who have been talking about their worries for a long time
04:35to form a group and still exist.
04:40It's not easy.
04:42Because it's a group, there are times when it's not a contract.
04:45There have been many walls.
04:48It's been more than 30 years since then.
04:50But we're still doing it.
04:52That's amazing.
04:53We're still doing it.
04:54The relationship hasn't changed, has it?
04:56It hasn't changed, and it can't be changed.
04:59But three years ago, when V6 disbanded,
05:03the three of us didn't talk about doing it alone.
05:10We found out about it in the newspaper.
05:12We found out about it in the newspaper.
05:14And it said,
05:15Tonisen will continue.
05:19I was like, what?
05:21Oh, I see.
05:23I was like, what should we do?
05:25I said, let's do it.
05:26He said, no, that's fine.
05:40I don't know why you say goodbye.
05:45I say hello.
05:47Hello, hello.
05:49I don't know why you say goodbye.
05:52I say hello.
05:54Hello, hello.
05:55We've been in touch a lot, haven't we?
05:57We've been in touch a lot, haven't we?
05:59A year after we opened.
06:02I didn't think we'd open a cafe.
06:04I thought we'd open a cafe.
06:07I was going to open a cafe.
06:09At first, yes.
06:10I did a lot of research and thought,
06:12this is what I want to do.
06:14But then I thought, wait a minute.
06:16Are we the cafe generation?
06:18The place where we grew up when we were kids,
06:22the place where we grew up when we were adults,
06:25in the neighborhood, it was definitely a cafe.
06:28It was definitely next door.
06:30There was a coffee shop, a Napolitan shop,
06:33a counter and a table shop right next door.
06:36It was a bicycle shop, right?
06:38Yes.
06:39It was a family business.
06:40It was a two-person business.
06:42That's right.
06:43It was a butcher shop.
06:46When I was a kid, there were words that we didn't have.
06:52It wasn't a front door, it was a shutter.
06:54Shutter, shutter.
06:55Shutter.
06:56The key was a shutter.
06:57I really admired the front door.
06:59Because I've never opened it like this.
07:00No.
07:01This is it.
07:02Mr. Okada is the opposite.
07:04Even if I came back quietly, I dropped it.
07:07I admired the front door and the key.
07:11I was envious of the fact that I had a key.
07:13The shape of the key is different.
07:15Shutter.
07:16It's like this.
07:17It's like this.
07:18I don't know.
07:19I don't know if it's a business.
07:21That's right.
07:22And because it's a bicycle shop,
07:24I'm always told that it's a new bicycle,
07:27but it's always in perfect maintenance.
07:30Even if it's old, it's in perfect condition.
07:33That's why cars are like that now.
07:35How many years have you been riding?
07:36It's been over 20 years.
07:37You still have a car that you've been riding since you were a junior.
07:39I gave it to my cousin.
07:41You gave it to your cousin and rode it with your family.
07:44I've already ridden it.
07:45You've already ridden it?
07:46It was no good.
07:47Mr. Nagano, you were a junior, but you had a car.
07:49You had a car, didn't you?
07:50I don't have it.
07:51I took a lesson in my parents' car.
07:53You found out the number of the house, didn't you?
07:55Yes.
07:56I got a lot of calls from my family.
07:58I wonder why.
07:59You can't come to the lesson with the gate of the store.
08:01You can't come to the lesson with the gate of the store.
08:02That's right.
08:03You'll be arrested.
08:04It's no good.
08:06Who was the first person to live alone?
08:09Who was the first person to have a cell phone?
08:12Inohara was the first person to have a cell phone.
08:14That's fast.
08:15That's right.
08:16I was the first person to have a cell phone.
08:19I was sitting in the back of a moving car.
08:22I was watching a telecommunication program in the car.
08:24I called him on the spot and said,
08:25I'm sorry, but can you give me this?
08:28He said he had a magnet in his pillow.
08:31He is so selfish.
08:32It's really fast.
08:34I lived alone at first.
08:36At that time, everyone was about to make their debut.
08:41Didn't you make your debut?
08:42I made my debut right after I made my debut.
08:44I made my debut right after I made my debut.
08:46I bought a loft in the neighborhood.
08:49I bought a loft in the neighborhood.
08:52It was 64,000 yen for one room.
08:54You lived alone for the first time.
08:55I was stupid for a while.
08:57I forgot to buy a washing machine.
09:00I thought I had a lot of laundry.
09:03I thought I didn't have a washing machine.
09:05Your mother did it for you.
09:06That's right.
09:07Everyone came to my house to play.
09:09I met KEN and OKADA at TACHIAIGAWA.
09:16They said they would show me my room.
09:18I was wondering what to do at night.
09:20I was wondering if I should go to karaoke.
09:21Sakamoto said he would give me a car.
09:24He gave me a car.
09:27Did OKADA say that?
09:29He said the air conditioner smelled.
09:34I should have said that on the spot.
09:36After the show, he asked me what kind of person I was.
09:40He said the car's air conditioner smelled.
09:44Everyone thinks it's funny and talks.
09:46Don't hurt me.
09:50I don't feel good.
09:53I bought a car.
09:56I said how much I had.
10:01Sakamoto bought it from another program.
10:04He was treated like a fool.
10:06Why didn't you say it at that time?
10:08I didn't say it then.
10:10I asked him if I could say it nationwide.
10:13It's better to say it on the spot.
10:17As a result, I was treated like a fool.
10:19I think he will warm me up.
10:21I was going to take you somewhere, but I got hit by a car.
10:24Which car?
10:26The second one.
10:28Oh, that one.
10:30I don't think I've ever driven it.
10:32I've only seen it.
10:33I'm sorry, but let's not talk about it.
10:35I'm talking about how I got hurt.
10:37That's right.
10:38But it's cool.
10:40It's a really good car.
10:42I've borrowed it a few times.
10:44Like a car loan?
10:45Yes.
10:46It was close to my house.
10:48That's why it's easy to go.
10:49I thought it was a good car, but it wasn't.
10:53It just happened.
10:55Really?
10:56It just happened.
10:57I thought you were coming after me.
10:59I was waiting for you after that.
11:00I went to Gotanda, and you came to Gotanda again.
11:02I wasn't there.
11:04It just happened.
11:06I thought it was a view I'd seen before.
11:09But it was really close.
11:11I don't know if it's because I moved.
11:14But I moved right away.
11:16You ran away right away.
11:18After that, I moved to Setagaya.
11:20When I opened the door, it was close to my house.
11:23After that.
11:25I don't know if it was an e-mail or something.
11:27I went to the nearest supermarket.
11:29It was the best.
11:30It was cheap.
11:31I said,
11:33After a week, he moved.
11:36That's why everyone...
11:37Why?
11:38I don't know everyone's house.
11:42It's going to be an important day.
11:44I thought it was an important day.
11:46After that.
11:48I proposed to her as a surprise.
11:55How old are you now?
11:5753 years old.
11:5853 years old.
12:00You're 52 years old, right?
12:04The average age is already in his 50s.
12:07If you're over 50 years old,
12:09I read in a book that it's better to have some communities.
12:14I haven't heard much about it.
12:16Is there a community we don't know?
12:19Imolaizaka Kakari-cho.
12:22I knew it somehow.
12:24I knew it somehow.
12:26Why are you laughing?
12:28I don't know the relationship well.
12:31You performed on stage, right?
12:33I performed with music.
12:35We talked a lot.
12:39It was fun, so I went home.
12:41Did you live at home?
12:42Yes.
12:43I proposed to her as a surprise.
12:49I proposed to her as a surprise.
12:52I haven't heard much about it.
12:55It's going to be an important day.
12:57I thought it was an important day.
12:59I went to a cafe in the hotel.
13:02I went to a cafe in the hotel.
13:04I went to a cafe in the hotel.
13:07You went to a casual cafe.
13:09I went to a casual cafe.
13:11I went to a casual cafe.
13:13I proposed to her as a surprise.
13:17I was told to read an important letter.
13:23I was told to read an important letter.
13:25I was told to read an important letter.
13:27I was told to read an important letter.
13:31What did you call me?
13:33Kakari-cho.
13:36Wait a minute.
13:38Imolaizaka Kakari-cho.
13:40I thought you were calling me by my real name.
13:45What did you call him?
13:47Masa-kun.
13:49I don't call him Masa-kun.
13:51Do you have any other golf friends?
13:56I have the same hobby as my local friends.
14:01You can hang out with your local friends.
14:03You haven't been to a golf club recently, have you?
14:05I haven't been to a golf club recently.
14:07I haven't been to a golf club recently.
14:10But I think golf is a terrible sport.
14:17They are a very shy couple.
14:20For example, which actors don't tell their audience to go golf?
14:24For example, which actors don't tell their audience to go golf?
14:25When we are playing golf,
14:27When we are playing golf,
14:28some audience told me,
14:30Someone told me,
14:32She told me she was playing golf.
14:34When I couldn't find a golfer,
14:37By the way, Inohara's mom used to play golf, didn't she?
14:39I thought it was a lie.
14:41I thought it was a lie. I don't like that.
14:44It was like, even if it's a member's mother, it's okay.
14:48I didn't hesitate at all.
14:50What about you, Nagano?
14:51I think it's a food community.
14:55I've heard about food in many places.
14:56This is amazing, Nagano.
14:58You eat yakiniku.
14:59For example, it starts with bread and ends with cold noodles.
15:06It's different.
15:07First, I went to this store to eat bread.
15:10Next, I went to a different store to eat kalbi.
15:14If you had a choice like that, you would have gone.
15:17I really don't understand.
15:20Why do you want to go all at once?
15:23That's right.
15:25There were such friends.
15:27There were.
15:28Do you still have such friends?
15:31I don't have such friends.
15:33You don't have such friends.
15:34You have a good feeling.
15:37I don't have such friends.
15:39Don't you go to this store often?
15:40I haven't been to this store for many years.
15:43You used to go to more than 1,000 stores a year.
15:47How many stores have you been to so far?
15:48I haven't counted yet.
15:50Is that so?
15:50I don't think it's a number of stores.
15:53Oh, Nagano.
15:55I can't help it even if it's a number of stores.
15:56You have come to that area.
15:59You have a lot of information.
16:03Do you still have a lot of information?
16:06Or do you still have new information?
16:08I have a lot of new information.
16:10That's right.
16:11What do you mean?
16:13I have a lot of information about the store.
16:15You don't have a lot of information about the taste, do you?
16:16I have a lot of information.
16:18I don't know if it's the name of the ramen association, but the name of the ramen association has changed.
16:29You are strict.
16:31The person who runs the ramen shop said that he couldn't keep up with the ramen shop.
16:36The number of ramen shops has increased so much.
16:38I often hear from Nagano.
16:41If you make curry at home, you can't eat it for two or three days.
16:46You said you wouldn't make curry because you couldn't keep up with the ramen shop.
16:49I may have said that.
16:50What are you doing now?
16:51Do you cook?
16:52I'm cooking now.
16:53What kind of food do you cook?
16:55I'm going to make curry from spices next time.
17:01You have come to that area.
17:02You don't have a lot of information, but you have come to that area.
17:06You have a great sense of discovery.
17:08I was invited to go to YAKINIKU when I went to the Hiroshima park.
17:14I was invited to go to YAKINIKU around noon.
17:17The person in charge of YAKINIKU gave me a car and the three of us went to YAKINIKU.
17:21But I couldn't get there.
17:22The place I went to was not an urban area, but a mountain.
17:28I arrived at a ranch.
17:30What is a ranch?
17:32I started looking at the cow car with the rancher.
17:41The conversation I was having with the rancher was about what kind of feed I was given.
17:45The rancher said, you have a good sense of discovery.
17:47After talking to the rancher, the rancher said, you can't eat YAKINIKU because you can't eat it.
17:58I thought it was a fish.
17:59The cow raised there became meat.
18:04It's a kind of food.
18:06I don't need to eat YAKINIKU.
18:08I don't need to eat YAKINIKU.
18:10The level of YAKINIKU is very high.
18:12I decided to go to YAKINIKU with the other person.
18:16I thought I wouldn't be able to go to YAKINIKU because I was tired.
18:20I decided to go to YAKINIKU with the other person after I sent him to YAKINIKU.
18:23The other person is a YAKINIKU restaurant in Tokyo.
18:28The other person asked me for advice on YAKINIKU in Nagano.
18:30I asked him about YAKINIKU in my restaurant.
18:32You are in that position.
18:34I thought he wasn't a member of the YAKINIKU restaurant.
18:36He is a member of the YAKINIKU restaurant.
18:37I asked him if he watched YAKINIKU on the Internet.
18:40Do you watch YAKINIKU on the Internet?
18:45Do you watch your own YAKINIKU?
18:47I don't watch my own YAKINIKU.
18:49Did you watch your own YAKINIKU?
18:54If you don't watch YAKINIKU on the Internet, you won't understand the world.
18:59I don't understand the world at all.
19:01You don't understand that YAKINIKU is popular.
19:03I recommend YAKINIKU to young people to live healthily.
19:09There is no end to watching YAKINIKU.
19:10That's right.
19:11I don't know how many years I've been doing this show.
19:18I looked it up on the Internet.
19:20I searched for INOHARA YUSHIHIKO.
19:22I found an article about YAKINIKU.
19:26I was very excited when I saw that article.
19:29I didn't mean to do that.
19:31I just wanted to know how many years I've been doing YAKINIKU.
19:34You were excited.
19:36I didn't say that.
19:41I thought I shouldn't watch this.
19:43I thought I was the strongest.
19:45I said that.
19:47I was very excited when I saw that article.
19:49I couldn't see the flame.
19:52You are the strongest.
19:53I was very excited when I saw that article.
19:56You have to remember the number of years you've been doing this show.
20:01How many years have you been doing this show?
20:01I've been doing this show for 10 years this year.
20:03That's fast.
20:05I thought it was the 10th year.
20:07I think it's the same for age and career.
20:11When you reach the age of 50, you will notice some changes.
20:16I think SAKAMOTO knows this best.
20:19There are changes in my physical condition and my work environment.
20:24I feel that the environment around me is changing.
20:30The environment around you?
20:31I have a friend who is a salaryman.
20:33I think about nature.
20:37I see.
20:38I think about what I should do.
20:41I think about my job.
20:44I think about what I should do.
20:46I think about the activities of the group.
20:49I think about a lot of things.
20:52How old should we say we are idols?
20:58I haven't thought about it today.
21:00Did you say you were an idol?
21:01I said I was 65 or 70 years old.
21:05I said I would be an idol if I were an idol.
21:07Is that so?
21:09You will be an idol in 7 years.
21:11I'm 70 years old.
21:12There is no age limit.
21:14ALFIE is the same age as me.
21:16ALFIE is amazing.
21:19I don't feel the age I'm singing now.
21:22I understand.
21:23I think 70 years old is a lie.
21:25When we actually meet, we talk about the annual salary.
21:28That's right.
21:29We usually have two tours a year.
21:33That's amazing.
21:35We have a little interaction with ALFIE.
21:40We look at each other's backs.
21:42If you notice, we are a group that sings and dances.
21:47That's right.
21:48I think we are the top in the world.
21:50That's right.
21:52We are not the only group that is not noticed by the world.
21:56If you look at it in detail, we are the top.
21:58That's right.
22:00Our company is a new ship.
22:04For example, what will you do next year?
22:06We don't have a goal.
22:08I have a small goal.
22:12We had a concert in TONISEN.
22:14At that time, we sang the best song of the boy band in one corner.
22:17We will continue to sing the best song of the boy band in the future.
22:22I still feel that way.
22:24The past is often over in the past.
22:27I think it's our job to convey the wonderful things of the past to the next generation.
22:35It's not a lie that our seniors made it in that era.
22:40If you can do that, let's do it.
22:45That's what the three of us, coming century, who originally formed the group, said.
22:52Even though it's our concert in TONISEN, we have a boy band corner and a god battle corner.
22:59It's like doing our own song.
23:03Let's continue to sing other people's songs and interpret them in our own way.
23:09We don't want to blow it up.
23:11Good things are good.
23:12It doesn't matter if it's slow.
23:15Recently, young people in their 20s think that they have seen KOKO, but they don't know that they are in the same group.
23:30Let's go with our hearts.
23:33We have to go with our hearts.
23:35We don't have our hearts out yet.
23:37In the first place.
23:38In the first place.
23:38Let's stick to it.
23:39That's the goal.
23:40I have a request for the media.
23:44When you do something, you write V6.
23:49We have a name.
23:51Please do it.
23:52That's right.
23:54That's why we always say, let's do our best.
23:57Have a great day.

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