Khurram Dastgir reacts to talks between PTI and PMLN

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00:00Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf and Pakistan Muslim League Noon, which is now formed by the government

00:06which includes MQM, IPP, People's Party and more people.

00:13Do you think that these negotiations will have a logical outcome?

00:18Considering that the news we are getting is that

00:21this matter has become conditional due to the release of Ali Khan and 5000 people who are in PTI jails.

00:31Yes, if they come and sit on the table unconditionally,

00:36then the negotiations will go on in a positive way.

00:39They will listen to each other openly.

00:42But if Tehreek-e-Insaf has decided that they will keep some preconditions,

00:47then the matters will become difficult.

00:50If they want the negotiations to have a positive outcome,

00:55then they should do it without any preconditions.

00:58They can say whatever they want.

01:01There is no guarantee that they will do it or not.

01:04But if they come and sit on the table, then the negotiations should not be second-guessed.

01:10The last time such negotiations took place was at the end of 2014,

01:15after the end of the protest.

01:17It took almost three months for the TORs to be set up and finalized.

01:24But they were finalized.

01:26Under that, there was a commission for the 2013 elections in the Supreme Court.

01:37So, if the negotiations are done openly,

01:40then the matters will move forward.

01:42But if they keep some preconditions,

01:45or put a knife of violence, violence and disorder on the government's neck,

01:52then the matters will stop very soon and the negotiations will become difficult.

01:57Khurram, the problem is that Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf is under the name of Imran Khan.

02:02If Imran Khan refuses to do something,

02:04then no matter how much the committee discusses,

02:06the discussion will be of no use.

02:08It will become futile.

02:10So, do you think that the committee,

02:13and do you remember the discussion you were talking about in 2015,

02:20and later on too,

02:21when discussions took place,

02:22what Imran Khan used to say used to happen.

02:25So, how important do you think that element will be this time?

02:29Because a lot of people are saying,

02:31if you want to talk, talk to Imran Khan.

02:33Yes, the question is,

02:35whether Tehreek-e-Insaf, which has now become Tehreek-e-Intishar,

02:40is ready to become Tehreek-e-Insaf again or not.

02:44Or whether he is ready to discuss the parliamentary procedures with them.

02:51Because his focus has always been that there should be violence,

02:56there should be protests.

02:58So, the democratic, political, parliamentary way of moving forward,

03:04he is very much unaware of that.

03:07That is why I gave the example of 2014-15.

03:11At that time, the only example we have is that

03:13we negotiated through a procedure.

03:17And the result of that negotiation was that

03:20after about two and a half years,

03:23the entire process of the Elections Act 2017

03:27was to be processed.

03:28So, Tehreek-e-Insaf took part in that too

03:30and got that bill passed till the end.

03:33So, yes, they believe in negotiation.

03:37But if you have to dictate,

03:39or every time it will be that

03:41Anokha Ladla should ask for Khelan for the state,

03:44then this will not happen.

03:46That's very interesting.

03:47But Mr. Khurram, the problem is that

03:49you have just told a timeline

03:51that it takes 3-4 months to set the TOR.

03:54Discussion is done after that.

03:56Then what is the outcome of the discussion,

03:58that is also a matter of discussion.

04:00But here, the decisions of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf

04:05seem to have completely lost their patience.

04:08They will not want so much delay.

04:10Here they are making a decision

04:12that we have to do civil disobedience.

04:14And you are saying that

04:15it took 3 months to set the TOR.

04:17Last time it took,

04:18so it may take this time too.

04:20Do you think the PTI will wait so much?

04:24We don't want to wait either.

04:26Look, our aim,

04:28and I openly say to your viewers that

04:31we don't want to appease the PTI in any way.

04:35We don't want to make them cowardly.

04:39Our aim is a little above that.

04:42We want to give Pakistan that political stability

04:45through which,

04:46Alhamdulillah, we have now achieved

04:48social stability.

04:50We want to take that forward

04:52and move towards economic growth.

04:54We want to create new employment

04:56for our young men and women,

04:58for Pakistanis.

05:00For that, we need unity.

05:02If in the future, a Jamaat

05:04will attack Wafaaq

05:06with its small or large guns,

05:08then that unity cannot be achieved by the government.

05:11And the impression of Pakistan

05:13is that it is the responsibility

05:15of the entire world

05:17that this movement is spreading

05:19and that Pakistan is not stable.

05:21Our aim is to keep Pakistan stable

05:23so that we can reach the next stages

05:25of economic growth and job creation.

05:28For that, we don't want any delay.

05:34We also want that if they can make their decision

05:37as soon as possible,

05:39then Shahbaz Sharif Sahib will also

05:41make his decision very quickly.

05:43So can I see it this way, Khurram Sahib,

05:45that if the PTI during this time

05:47tries to keep Pakistan in peace,

05:49then this will directly impact

05:51the negotiations and the willingness

05:53of the government team

05:55will also decrease. Is that so?

05:57Yes, absolutely.

05:59We have seen that

06:01the movement has used

06:03constant violence

06:05in the name of protest.

06:07Just two days ago,

06:09we heard that the fourth ranger

06:11who was injured

06:13because of their attack

06:15has also been martyred.

06:17So if they continue

06:19to use violence

06:21and attack,

06:23and kill the rangers

06:25and the police officers,

06:27and destroy the metro bus stations

06:29in Islamabad,

06:31and set fire to the trees,

06:33then this will not solve

06:35the problem.

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