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00:00I have been saying since the first day and I still maintain that the government team has no power, no negotiating power.
00:06This is a show that we are talking and we are talking about solving problems.
00:11What Irfan Siddiqui said is the same.
00:14And he also means that we have nothing in our control.
00:17When they do not have the authority to meet, then how can they accept the demands that will be sent by the PTI or not?
00:26They have nothing in their control.
00:27The reality is that the establishment has all the keys and all the keys.
00:32And if they say yes, then they will say yes.
00:35When we take the name of Mohsin Naqvi, we take the name of Mohsin Naqvi because he is obviously the liaison between the establishment and the government.
00:45No, he is a representative from that side. He has come from that side.
00:48They empower themselves on some basis.
00:52When Faisal Warda says that I told you this and this happened, then obviously Faisal Warda does not know what the judge will decide tomorrow.
01:00When he says that his sisters will be released, for example, or many more.
01:04Or Bushra will also be released.
01:05They are right.
01:06Obviously, they do not tell Irfan Siddiqui or Shehbaz Sharif.
01:09For sure, they do not even know what it is.
01:12They have no power.
01:13That is why I say that when they say that something will come out of this, then nothing will come out of the negotiations.
01:20I think it is possible that PTI has become a little weak in popularity because of this.
01:26That it is a desperate attempt.
01:27Earlier they used to say that they will not meet the government.
01:30Now they are sitting to meet.
01:32Mr. Zubair, do you, when you look at or hear him, this decision to continue the negotiations.
01:41Yesterday, Mr. Imran Khan spoke and took the name of Shehbaz Sharif.
01:47Why is there such a difference between these two positions?
01:52Both are hot and cold positions.
01:57Look, the first thing is that I think you said a little openly that the judge's decision, I don't know,
02:02Malik said that you are raising your finger.
02:04I absolutely want to raise the finger of the judges.
02:08There is zero credibility.
02:10Let me just, Malik, listen to me, please.
02:13You keep talking.
02:14Listen to me too.
02:15These present judges of the Supreme Court, the Constitutional Bench, have no credibility.
02:20There is zero credibility.
02:21And they are biased judges.
02:23And they will give biased decisions.
02:24And they will give decisions against PTI.
02:26Like their former Chief Justice, he gave a decision on the sign of a baton.
02:31Gave other decisions.
02:32So if you are sitting with hope from them, then there is no hope.
02:36The second thing is that...
02:38So you are with me in this matter.
02:40There has been a trap.
02:41Mr. Zubair?
02:42PTI has been trapped.
02:44You were with me in this matter.
02:46Not with Mr. Malik.
02:47What is your stance?
02:48My stance was with you.
02:49You were talking a little loudly.
02:51I am talking directly.
02:52Yes, yes.
02:55Okay.
02:56You can come to that in more detail.
02:59Sir, he is not saying anything to you.
03:01He is sitting behind us.
03:02Sir, let's talk about the program.
03:04Your job is that the program should not stop.
03:07I am not affected by that.
03:09The second thing is that...
03:11Negotiations, I think PTI has fell into the trap.
03:14Because there was definitely pressure on them.
03:16If you don't talk, then how will the problems be solved?
03:19And that is a legitimate thing.
03:21In the eyes of the world, they don't talk.
03:24There is a government, they don't talk to it.
03:26But the fact of the matter is that this government is an illegitimate government.
03:29It is made in a wrong way.
03:31They should not talk to them in principle.
03:34So Imran Khan's thinking is that we should stop being accused of not sitting down.
03:41And we did not make any effort.
03:43So we made an effort and showed it.
03:45Sir, let me say one thing.
03:46At this point, when you came to Imran Khan, when Faisal Chaudhary must have gone.
03:52He must have said that the Negotiating Committee is not letting us meet.
03:56And the statement that he is making that there are people who are saying,
04:00Why are these negotiations taking place?
04:02This should not happen.
04:03After hearing all this, Khan had two options.
04:06One option was to pull the plug.
04:09If you don't want to do it, then don't do it.
04:11There will be no negotiations, there will be no protest.
04:13The second was, no problem, let's do the negotiations.
04:16Why did he choose the latter?
04:18Do you think that if it takes 15, 20, 25 more days, there is no loss?
04:24His assessment is that it's okay.
04:2615, 20, 25 days, let's give it a shot.
04:28We will not wait that long.
04:30First of all, this PTI issue.
04:32We will not wait that long.
04:34PTI is saying that we will not wait that long.
04:36But what is your opinion, Mr. Zubair?
04:38Why did you make this decision?
04:40See, what he just said, there are two groups.
04:43Khwaja Asif, who still openly opposes.
04:45They call him a terrorist.
04:47Maryam Nawaz, she calls him a terrorist.
04:49And on the other hand, there are people like Irfan Siddiqui.
04:53They talk well, but they also show their helplessness.
04:57That powerful group is Khwaja Asif and Maryam Nawaz.
05:01They reflect the thinking of the government, the thinking of the establishment.
05:05Irfan Siddiqui is not a hawkish element of the party.
05:11And if you look at PTI, it is seen as a hawkish element.
05:17So when you say hawks, Mr. Zubair, when you talk about hawks,
05:21you are saying that hawks are not ready to give PTI any space.
05:25And the establishment is a part of it.
05:29Absolutely, 100%.
05:33So PTI should realize that,
05:35Mr. Irfan Siddiqui, I think you should talk openly.
05:39You don't have any powers.
05:41And you should demonstrate power.
05:43If you keep quiet, at least during the negotiating time,
05:46why can't you keep quiet about people like Khwaja Asif and Maryam Nawaz?
05:50If you are saying that your opinion is clear,
05:52then your most powerful elements should speak up.
05:55I think because jail is in Punjab, I don't think Maryam has opposed the idea of dialogue.
06:02I haven't seen it, maybe you have.