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- Aniqa Nisar
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- Sahibzada Hamid Raza SIC
- Khurram Dastgir Khan PMLN
"PM forms committee from ruling coalition for PTI talks..." Aniqa Nisar's Analysis
"Agar PTI negotiation committee ki mulaqat Imran Khan say nahi karwai tu...", Faisal Chaudhry
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Host:
- Aniqa Nisar
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- Sahibzada Hamid Raza SIC
- Khurram Dastgir Khan PMLN
"PM forms committee from ruling coalition for PTI talks..." Aniqa Nisar's Analysis
"Agar PTI negotiation committee ki mulaqat Imran Khan say nahi karwai tu...", Faisal Chaudhry
"Hum Sirf 2 Cheezen Chahtay Hen Kay...", Faisal Chaudhry
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00:00Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf is ready to negotiate with the government after the first negotiations
00:15with the establishment.
00:17Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf is ready to negotiate with the government after the first negotiations
00:22with the establishment.
00:23But this happened after the events of 26th November.
00:26Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf promised to negotiate with the government.
00:29After that, a committee was formed.
00:31There were some additions to that committee.
00:33And with those additions, the government's committee was also formed.
00:36Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf is ready to negotiate with the government after the first negotiations
00:41with the establishment.
00:42And with those additions, the government's committee was also formed.
00:47First of all, I will tell you what the government's committee is.
00:51This is a nine-member committee.
00:53This nine-member committee will negotiate with the seven-member committee of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
01:00These committees will negotiate with the speaker of the National Assembly.
01:08Mr. Ishaq Dar is present in the government's committee.
01:12Deputy Prime Minister Rana Sanaullah is present.
01:15Mr. Irfan Siddiqui is present.
01:17Both of them have always said that let's negotiate.
01:20Mr. Raja Parvez Ashraf and Mr. Naveed Qamar are present from Pakistan People's Party.
01:24Mr. Maqmul Siddiqui is present from MQM.
01:28Mr. Aleem Khan is present from IPP.
01:31Mr. Chaudhary Salik is present.
01:33And of course, Mr. Khalid Maqsi is present.
01:35This is a negotiating committee with all the unions so that there is no communication gap between the unions.
01:46On the other hand, the negotiating committee of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf is a seven-member committee.
01:53In this seven-member committee, there is Mr. Umar Ayub, who is the leader of the opposition.
01:57There is Mr. Ali Ameen Gandapur, who is the CM of KPK.
02:00There is Mr. Salman Akram Raja, who is the General Secretary.
02:03There is Mr. Asad Qaisar.
02:04There is Mr. Hamid Raza, who is the head of the SIC.
02:07There is Mr. Hamid Khan, who has also become a representative of Wakala.
02:10And there is Mr. Allama Raja Nasir Abbas.
02:13These are the same people whose intention was to go to Mr. Allama if they did not go to the SIC.
02:20Before this, it was Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
02:22Now the situation is that from the government, where there is talk of negotiations,
02:27there are also many other fears and discontent.
02:31Mr. Khawaja Asad has pointed out that where earlier he used to talk about America,
02:37now it has changed to absolutely yes.
02:42When we were deprived of power, America was absolutely not.
02:45American conspiracy was being condemned.
02:47Today, the same America is on their shoulders.
02:50I don't know if they have shoulders or not.
02:52Ten days ago, they just wanted to make fun of the establishment.
02:56Now, we have made such a strong committee that we will not get an answer.
03:00And if, God forbid, at any stage, they have to go, today it comes for their help.
03:05So, Alhamdulillah, Pakistan is a sovereign state.
03:08It is a country that knows how to protect its interests.
03:14Now, he said this thing because he is sitting in London.
03:17Mr. Khawaja Asad has done it because recently some such statements have come from Trump's chosen people.
03:24From whom it seems that the ways will be made easier for Mr. Imran Khan.
03:29Lobbying firm has also been hired by PTI.
03:32And the leaders of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf who are sitting outside the international media are also connected.
03:39Not only this, the social media team of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf is also very active and very strong in terms of propaganda.
03:47But with this, what is the truth and what is a lie, there is a very thin line in it.
03:53And from the incidents of 9th May to the incidents of November 24, 25, 26, the government also raises questions about social media.
04:01Where are the AI images?
04:03Along with that, the blood-stained roads that were shown in D-Chowk, that too.
04:08And to connect the images of Gaza with that incident.
04:11All these things have been done by Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
04:14So, will they still hide the truth from the public?
04:18Along with this, Mr. Imran Khan's statement, which is coming out after the meeting of Ali Ameen Gandapur and Mohsin Naqvi.
04:26That he did not like that his pictures were made public.
04:30And he said that the meetings should not be made public in any way.
04:34Now we will take confirmation of this too.
04:35Now our guests will come that whether this has happened or not.
04:38That before this, waving an empty paper as a cipher.
04:41After that, talking about not showing this picture in any way.
04:46Will something else be happening in front of the public?
04:50Or not?
04:51Mr. Atta Tarar has also complained.
04:53Along with that, we also want to talk.
04:54But we have also talked about 9th May.
04:56Just listen to that too.
04:57Yesterday was also a very big day.
04:59On 9th May, 25 criminals were punished.
05:02Which was the mastermind.
05:04On 9th May, he will also be punished.
05:06Because this is an unforgivable crime.
05:08Confront the politicians.
05:10What is your enmity with the martyrs?
05:12We are political people.
05:13We are convinced of dialogue.
05:15We know how to talk.
05:16We also want to talk.
05:18When you want to talk, that is why a committee has been formed.
05:21Now after the negotiation committee and negotiations.
05:24It is very important to talk to Mr. Imran Khan.
05:26Because the government and the PTA committee also know that without their go ahead.
05:31Nothing can be decided in any way.
05:33Sheikh Waqas Akram has made it very clear that we have to meet.
05:36We have to do it on the same day.
05:37That is, there will be a meeting tomorrow, there will be negotiations.
05:39And we have to meet tomorrow.
05:42Tomorrow, our committee will meet with this negotiating committee.
05:46And there we will put our points in front.
05:48Tomorrow we will realize that after the formation of this committee.
05:52The solution to the problems and the points given by Mr. Imran Khan.
05:56How serious is it for their solution.
05:59Once it is done.
06:00After that, our committee wants to meet Mr. Imran Khan in Adiala tomorrow.
06:05After that, he will meet Mr. Imran Khan.
06:07He will inform him of all this.
06:09After informing him, whatever decision Mr. Imran Khan will take.
06:12On the issue of civil disobedience.
06:15We will share that decision with you.
06:19Now, there are some demands of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.
06:22And from those demands, Mr. Imran Khan's release is definitely a demand.
06:27But in terms of negotiations.
06:29Mr. Rana Sanaullah, who is present in the government's negotiating team, has said.
06:33First of all, do not keep these demands.
06:35Come with an open heart.
06:36Secondly, £190 million.
06:38Whose decision had to be made yesterday.
06:40But today at about 5 o'clock this news came.
06:42Will that decision not come tomorrow?
06:44His date has not been announced yet.
06:46When will that decision come and when not.
06:48But this thing is being claimed very clearly by the government.
06:52That there are very strong evidences against Mr. Imran Khan.
06:56And here, it may be difficult for Mr. Imran Khan.
06:59Now his decision will not come tomorrow.
07:01But Mr. Rana has made it very clear.
07:03With the support of which, tell us.
07:05Will there be any leniency in the £190 million?
07:09Bani PTI's case of £190 million.
07:14This has nothing to do with the negotiations.
07:18I confirm this.
07:20We have never had back-channel contacts.
07:24Even telephonically.
07:25Via speaker office, speaker chamber.
07:27Talks keep happening.
07:28Hopefully, in a few days, there will be some progress in this regard.
07:31Our advice will be to leave these deadlines and warnings.
07:37If we don't do this, we will do that.
07:39If we don't do this, we will do that.
07:40Mr. Imran Khan should come back from these things.
07:43He will have to sit.
07:45The government has also made it very clear.
07:47That Mr. Imran Khan's release is not included in the agenda of the negotiations.
07:50But it is from the PTI.
07:52Now let's try to get some clarity on this.
07:54Mr. Sahibzada Hamid Raza is present with us.
07:56Head of Sunni Unity Council.
07:58Mr. Sahibzada, thank you very much for joining us.
08:00Before I go to the negotiations, Mr. Sahibzada,
08:02First of all, please make it clear to me that all the units are present in the government team.
08:06You are present here.
08:08Allama Nasir is present.
08:10Mr. Achakzai, who was also made the head of the PTI.
08:14Mr. Imran Khan also gave him the go-ahead to present him to the government for negotiations.
08:20Why is he not in this negotiation team, Mr. Sahibzada?
08:25Thank you very much.
08:26As far as Mr. Mehmood Achakzai is concerned, he is the head of the PTI.
08:32He is on board with all the negotiations that are taking place.
08:37Everything is in his knowledge.
08:39Some of it is his own business.
08:41Secondly, Pakistan was not in an alliance with the PTI in the election.
08:50This alliance was formed after the results of the election.
08:54We were in an old alliance with Mr. Khan.
08:56We were in the Majlis-e-Waadat-e-Muslimeen and the SIC.
08:59And the PTI itself.
09:01But there is nothing in this that has an issue.
09:05In fact, Mr. Khan himself wanted to meet Mr. Mehmood Achakzai.
09:09He comes to our events and is involved.
09:11He is on board with every matter.
09:13If he feels the need somewhere, Mr. Achakzai will also come.
09:17So nothing is upset with him, you are confirming this.
09:22Not at all.
09:27Mr. Achakzai has been busy in Balochistan for the past two and a half months.
09:31He was busy with his party, his rallies.
09:35Similarly, Mr. Akhtar's wife is not well and is out of Pakistan.
09:42He spends most of his time with his wife.
09:46Whenever he comes to Pakistan, he has meetings with her.
09:50He is on board with all these matters.
09:52There is nothing fishy in it.
09:54You are talking about meetings.
09:56You are talking about meetings, so let's talk about negotiations.
10:02When the government has formed a committee for negotiations,
10:06and there is a meeting tomorrow, what are the expectations?
10:09Considering that the 9th May case has come,
10:11and it has been made very clear that this is not the completion of justice.
10:15Justice will be completed when it will reach the masterminds.
10:18It will reach the planners.
10:22When we talk about planners or masterminds,
10:26it is clear that Imran Khan's name is also in it.
10:29There are very strong chances of it coming.
10:31So how will that not impact the negotiations?
10:38The decision made yesterday regarding 9th May is not final.
10:43Because the Supreme Court has only given an observation.
10:46The Supreme Court has not yet given a judgment on the military trial of civilians.
10:50And we are very clear on that, black and white,
10:53that the military trial of civilians cannot take place.
10:57That is why we have opposed and condemned this act of punishment.
11:03Number one.
11:04Number two.
11:05On 9th May, we demand that you make a judicial commission.
11:09In the context of a judicial commission,
11:12the senior most judges of the court will be present.
11:16And our question is,
11:19what is it that the judges of the court cannot see,
11:23but can be seen in the military court?
11:26That is why we think that the decision of the military trial of civilians was wrong.
11:33They should have gone to the civilian courts.
11:36And on 9th May, we demand that you make a judicial commission.
11:40All the facts should be presented in the judicial commission.
11:44There will be nitty-gritties.
11:45Everything will be discussed.
11:47There are many critical things that I don't want to say on TV.
11:52I don't understand why the government has run away from the judicial commission.
11:58If they think that they are so convinced,
12:03they have so much solid evidence against us,
12:06or against Imran Khan,
12:08then they should present the evidence in the judicial commission.
12:11Yesterday, Barrister Aqeel confirmed in my program
12:15that the judicial commission or some sort of commission
12:18can be discussed as a result of these negotiations.
12:21It is possible that it will be done.
12:23So, to that extent, they are not running away.
12:26It has not been done yet.
12:27That is something different.
12:28But tell me,
12:29the government has made it very clear
12:33that Imran Khan's release will not be a key point in the negotiations.
12:40It will not be a point of discussion in the negotiations.
12:44So, then what?
12:48Let me categorize and make it clear to you
12:52that Imran Khan's release will be a part of our agenda.
12:57Imran Khan had two demands, two conditions.
13:00Number one, judicial commission on 9th of May and on 26th of November.
13:05This was the first thing.
13:06The second thing was the release of political workers.
13:11Imran Khan, while expressing statesmanship,
13:14did not put his release or any of his cases in the initial demands and conditions.
13:20But this is the joint decision of the Negotiating Committee,
13:23all the United Nations, Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf,
13:26and all of us
13:28that the biggest political prisoner on our agenda is Imran Khan
13:38and he will be a part of our agenda.
13:40So, let's see what happens.
13:42How do we see this part of the agenda?
13:45Are these demands, are these conditions,
13:47or is this a point in the point of discussion?
13:50Yes, these are demands and point of discussion.
13:57Obviously, when you had to sit on the negotiating table,
14:00you had to start from somewhere.
14:02It is just the beginning.
14:03The rest will come after this.
14:05The government has not yet expressed its points,
14:07they have not put their agenda in front of us,
14:09but these two things have come in front of us.
14:11We would like to sit and move forward on this initially.
14:15If there is any positive development on this,
14:18if we see some seriousness in the government's attitude,
14:21and we feel that the government wants to solve this issue,
14:26then things will move forward, things will increase,
14:28and obviously, things will be put on the government's side as well.
14:30Then when that table will be there,
14:32we will be in a better condition to comment on it.
14:35So, in your demands, what other things will be there?
14:39You have made these two things very clear.
14:40The PTA has also made it very clear.
14:41Apart from this, what other demands can there be
14:43that Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf will put forward,
14:45or this committee will put forward,
14:47and on which things will this committee be flexible,
14:49and on which things will there be no question
14:52that some flexibility should be shown?
14:57Look, there will be no question of any kind
15:00on the political victimization that we should show flexibility.
15:03The way terrorism and barbarism was treated on the workers,
15:08we will not have any flexibility on that.
15:10Most importantly, we will not have any flexibility on Mr. Imran Khan.
15:15We will not have any flexibility on bringing Mr. Imran Khan out.
15:20In terms of flexibility, there can be a lot of things in TURs.
15:23For example, the issue of Form 45-47,
15:27the issue of free and fair elections,
15:29the issue of the next election commission,
15:31there are a lot of things.
15:33It's just a beginning.
15:35If these two things move forward with positive development,
15:38then, God willing, everything will move towards improvement.
15:41And the deadlock, we have demanded a minimum from the government.
15:44I don't think, if the government says,
15:47we have done nothing wrong on 9th of May,
15:50and they say, we didn't fire any bullets,
15:52we say, you fired bullets on 26th,
15:55we say, you also testified,
15:57we say, we also have 200 missing,
15:59we say, we also have 48 bullet injured,
16:01one of whom, one of our workers,
16:03was martyred in the attack today,
16:05because he was injured by a bullet injury.
16:07So the government says, we didn't do it.
16:09So what's the lay-out?
16:11The lay-out is, you are the Judicial Commission.
16:13No one should have lost their lives on any side.
16:15One of the rangers,
16:17was also severely injured,
16:19because of the attack,
16:21and he was also martyred.
16:23So unfortunately, not a single life should have been lost.
16:25This shouldn't be.
16:27And I hope, there is some clarity about this after these discussions.
16:29But you have said,
16:31that if there is a positive outcome on these two things,
16:33then it will move forward.
16:35But I will show you another direction.
16:37If there is no positive outcome on these two things,
16:39and if it is said, that everything else will be discussed,
16:41but there will be no discussion on Imran Khan's release,
16:43then what?
16:49Then we won't be able to move forward.
16:51One-liner.
16:53So these discussions will continue,
16:55but the path ahead will be broken.
17:01At least, this allegation will end on us.
17:03The 9th and 8th government made a narrative,
17:05that Pakistan is fair,
17:07we don't want to negotiate.
17:09Imran Khan is being stubborn,
17:11he is not worried about the country,
17:13he is not worried about the people.
17:15So now, Imran Khan has given a positive gesture,
17:17all of us have had a positive discussion,
17:19a positive conversation.
17:21If you want to maintain that positivity,
17:23then you will have to ignore
17:25the biggest reality in Pakistan,
17:27that the politics of Pakistan is now
17:29revolving around Imran Khan.
17:31So this is an important point.
17:33You want to ignore that reality.
17:35This is an important point.
17:37But before this,
17:39Khakhan Abbasi, who is not in favour of the government,
17:41he is not in favour of PTI,
17:43he is neutral, he has also said,
17:45that last time when he was the Prime Minister,
17:47there were negotiations,
17:49so whatever the negotiating team said,
17:51Imran Khan used to reject it.
17:53So will it still be the same,
17:55that whatever the negotiating team says,
17:57if Imran Khan rejects it,
17:59then there will be no end
18:01to the negotiations.
18:03Number one.
18:05Number two.
18:07It is important to meet Imran Khan.
18:09Whatever happened,
18:11will be discussed in Adiala with Imran Khan.
18:13But you, the political leaders,
18:15are not allowed to meet.
18:17You have been trying for a long time,
18:19but you are not able to meet.
18:21So in such a situation,
18:23will this message be sent through Vukla?
18:25No, no.
18:27Let me make it clear to you,
18:29that without approval of Imran Khan,
18:31we will not be able to meet.
18:33We will not be able to meet.
18:35We will not be able to meet.
18:37We will not be able to meet.
18:39We will not be able to meet.
18:41We will not be able to meet.
18:43We will not be able to meet.
18:45We will not be able to meet.
18:47We will not be able to meet.
18:49We will not be able to meet.
18:51We will not be able to meet.
18:53We will not be able to meet.
18:55We will not be able to meet.
18:57Without approval of Imran Khan,
18:59nothing will happen.
19:01And every member of this committee
19:03is clear on this.
19:05We are not going to do anything
19:07without the approval of Imran Khan.
19:09So this question ends there
19:11that Imran Khan will not agree
19:13to anything of the Muzakirati committee.
19:15There is no such thing.
19:17We will give our suggestions.
19:19Government suggestions will come.
19:21Whatever will be discussed,
19:23we will take it to Imran Khan.
19:25As simple as that.
19:55Will public perception be more important
19:57than success?
19:59Will public perception be more important
20:01than success?
20:03Will public perception be more important
20:05than success?
20:07No.
20:09You have to take care of your worker
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21:47Is that a threat or a warning, Safezad sir
22:13Is that a threat or a warning, Safezad sir
22:17It's both a suggestion and a warning, whatever way you want to take it.
22:24I'm on the receiving end, I'm in no position to warn anyone.
22:30Thank you very much for joining me in the program.
22:33After the break, Khurram Dastagir will be with us.
22:36He will try to understand the government's position
22:38because there are some conditions of the PTI.
22:40How will the government perceive these conditions after the break?
22:47Welcome back after the break.
22:49Khurram Dastagir is with us.
22:51Thank you very much for joining me in the program.
22:53It's a pleasure having you.
22:54Khurram sahib, Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf and Pakistan Muslim League
22:58is now a committee formed by the government
23:00which includes MQM, IPP, People's Party and more people.
23:07Do you think these negotiations will have a logical outcome
23:12considering that Ibrahim Khan sahib has been released
23:17and 5,000 people who are in PTI jails, according to them,
23:21this has become a condition of their release?
23:26Yes, if they come and sit on the table unconditionally
23:31then the negotiations will proceed in a positive manner.
23:34They will listen to each other openly.
23:37But if Tehreek-e-Insaf has decided to keep some preconditions,
23:41then things will become difficult.
23:44So, they should also, if they want the negotiations to have a positive outcome,
23:49then they should come without any preconditions
23:52and say whatever they want to say.
23:54There is no guarantee that they will say what they want to say.
23:58But they should come and we should not do these negotiations
24:02in a second guess either.
24:04Last time when such negotiations took place,
24:07they started in the end of 2014 after the end of the protest.
24:11So, it took almost three months to set the TORs and to get them finalized.
24:19But they were finalized and then there was an election in the Supreme Court in 2013
24:26and a commission was also made for the entire investigation.
24:31So, if we talk to them openly here as well,
24:35then things will move forward.
24:37If they think that by keeping some preconditions
24:40or by putting a knife of violence, violence and disorder on the government's neck
24:45at all times, they will move forward,
24:47then things will stop very soon and they will be subject to torture.
24:51Khurram sahib, the problem is that Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf is under the name of Imran Khan.
24:56If Imran Khan refuses to do something,
24:58then the committee will not be of any use to the discussion.
25:02It will become futile.
25:04So, do you think that the committee would have gone to Imran Khan
25:09and do you remember the discussion you were talking about in 2015
25:13and later on as well, when discussions took place,
25:16what Imran Khan used to say used to happen.
25:19So, how much do you think that element will be important this time?
25:23Because a lot of people are saying that if you want to talk, you should talk to Imran Khan.
25:28Yes, the question is that Tehreek-e-Insaf, which has now become Tehreek-e-Intishar,
25:34is it ready to become Tehreek-e-Insaf again or not?
25:39Or is it not ready to discuss the parliamentary procedures with them?
25:46Because their focus has always been to force, to protest.
25:53So, they are very unaware of the democratic, political and parliamentary way of moving forward.
26:02That is why I gave the example of 2014-15.
26:06At that time, the only example we have is that we negotiated through a procedure.
26:12And the result of that negotiation was that
26:15almost two and a half years later,
26:18the Tehreek-e-Insaf took part in the entire process of the Elections Act 2017
26:24and got that bill passed till the end.
26:27So, they believe in negotiations.
26:31But if they want to dictate,
26:33or it will be the same every time that Anokha Ladla should ask Khelan for the state,
26:38then this will not happen.
26:40That's very interesting.
26:41But Mr. Khurram, the problem is
26:43that you have just given a timeline.
26:45In three to four months, the TORs are set.
26:48The discussion takes place after that.
26:50Then what is the result of the discussion, that is another matter.
26:54But here, the decisions of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf
27:00seem to have completely lost their patience.
27:03They will not want so much delay.
27:05Here they are making a decision that we have to do civil disobedience.
27:08And you are saying that the TORs were set three times.
27:12If they were set last time, then maybe this time too.
27:15Do you think the PTI will wait so much?
27:18Even we don't want to wait.
27:21Look, our aim, and I openly say to your viewers that
27:26we don't want to appease the PTI in any way.
27:30We don't want to put them in a difficult situation.
27:33Our aim is a little above that.
27:36Our aim is to give Pakistan that political stability
27:40through which we have now achieved economic stability.
27:44We have to move forward and move towards economic growth.
27:49We have to create new jobs for our young men and women,
27:52for the Pakistanis.
27:55If in the future a Jamaat will be attacking Wafaaq
27:59with its small or large guns,
28:03then that small government will not be able to achieve that.
28:06And the impression of Pakistan is that
28:09Pakistan is not stable.
28:14So our aim is to keep Pakistan stable
28:17so that we can reach the next level of economic growth and job creation.
28:23For that, we don't want any delay.
28:28We also want that if they can make their decision soon,
28:32then Mr. Shahbaz Sharif will also make his decision very soon.
28:35So can I take it this way, Mr. Khurram,
28:38that if the PTI in the meantime
28:41will somehow put them in peace and security,
28:44then it will directly impact negotiations
28:47and the willingness of the government team can also be reduced.
28:51Is that so?
28:52Yes, absolutely.
28:53Look, we have seen that
28:56Tehrik-e-Intishar has used constant violence in the name of protest.
29:03We just heard the news two days ago
29:05that the fourth ranger who was injured because of their attack
29:09has also been martyred.
29:11So if they continue to use violence like this,
29:16they will come and attack.
29:18They will martyr the rangers and the police.
29:22They will destroy the metro bus stations in Islamabad.
29:25They will set the trees on fire.
29:27So this does not solve the purpose.
29:30I will say again that our goal is to achieve that stability
29:34whose one angle will be that the people living in Islamabad,
29:39their lives, business, employment, education, health,
29:43should run as usual in their routine
29:46so that they can focus on improving their lives
29:50instead of their business and employment being halted.
29:54So it is not just our responsibility
29:56that the rights of those who have come out to protest,
29:59the rights of other Pakistanis who have their own lives,
30:02they also have the same legal, political and civil rights
30:06as those who are protesting.
30:08Okay, but Mr. Khurram, now the question arises
30:10that on one hand, the PMLN and the new government
30:13want to negotiate with the PTI.
30:15On the other hand, the situation between the two governments
30:19has repeatedly been discussed by the PTI.
30:25But the people's party is not participating
30:28in the unity that is needed for these discussions.
30:31The people's party is saying to the PMLN
30:33that we are being made fun of
30:35or you have taken us in a completely non-serious way.
30:39What is going on in the government?
30:43Yes, because in the so-called governments,
30:46this light music keeps playing
30:50and the people's party has decided
30:53that they will take part in the victory
30:56but they will not be a part of the governance,
30:59the responsibilities.
31:01So I think the real tension there is arising because of this.
31:05And that is why our invitation to the people's party
31:10is on the table that even today
31:13many of the most important ministries are vacant.
31:17They are vacant because we want the people's party to come
31:20and take care of their responsibilities.
31:22Basically, you want to drag them into the mud as well.
31:24That is what you are saying.
31:25No, we want that the daily decision-making
31:30in which the facts are presented in front of the cabinet
31:33on the basis of which the decision is made.
31:36Instead of the people's party,
31:38if they are informed through a consulting process,
31:41if they are a part of the government,
31:43then on a daily basis, all the information will reach them
31:46on the basis of which the government has made its decisions.
31:49And they will also take part,
31:50as we saw in the 16-month PDM government.
31:53So even now, the best way is that
31:56instead of going to them every time
31:58and giving them consultation and information,
32:00that they become a part of the government
32:02and then come back and give all the information and consultation.
32:05It has been many months, Mr. Khurram,
32:06that while convincing them,
32:07while giving the invitation,
32:08even the Prime Minister gave the invitation.
32:09The other senior leaders of PMLN gave the invitation,
32:11including you.
32:12But the people's party is not agreeing
32:14that they should become a part of the cabinet.
32:15They are saying, we will support you,
32:17but we will not be a part of this cabinet.
32:19Is there a reason that they have not become a part yet?
32:22Is it their internal matter?
32:23Or is there a lack of convincing power from the government,
32:25from the PMLN?
32:30No, no.
32:31Only they can give a better answer to this.
32:34I can only make one assumption,
32:36and that is that they are seeing
32:38whether Mr. Shahbaz Sharif and his team
32:41are successful in achieving economic and political stability
32:46or not.
32:48And alhamdulillah, economic stability has been achieved.
32:52We are moving towards political stability.
32:54So if both of these stabilities are achieved
32:57and if this year, the next financial year,
33:01starts from July 2025,
33:03then it can be seen that Pakistan has started moving forward.
33:06I expect that the people's party will join the government at that time.
33:12But how will they do it?
33:13Mr. Khurram, please explain this to me.
33:15When Governor Punjab is repeatedly saying
33:17that we have caused our own loss by becoming a part of the government.
33:19Even in the internal meetings of the people's party,
33:22Bilawal Bhutto Zardari Sahib gets the same pressure
33:24that our politics is getting ruined by staying with the government.
33:28If he becomes a part of the government with you,
33:31won't he face more political loss?
33:36I am saying that today it seems that there will be a loss
33:39because the government has taken some extraordinary and unacceptable decisions
33:45and will continue to take them.
33:46They don't want to become a part of the government.
33:48But as a result of those decisions,
33:50if economic growth starts,
33:53and we all see that investment and job creation has started,
33:57then they will want to become a part of that achievement.
34:02So they have a political calculation
34:04and they have every right to make their decision as a political party.
34:07And this complaint expressed by them from time to time
34:12is a part of a mixed government and democracy.
34:16So we are in constant consultation with them
34:20and will continue to do so.
34:22Right.
34:23You are reiterating that there should be political settlement after political settlement.
34:29Will Pakistan allow political settlement without releasing Imran Khan?
34:36Will it allow your government to run peacefully?
34:40Yes.
34:41Even today, Pakistan is completely peaceful and stable on 22nd December 2024.
34:49Except for the incident of terrorism in South Waziristan yesterday.
34:56Now the question is,
34:58do we have to fight terrorism together or do we have to fight it among ourselves?
35:02Or as Minister Khairul Pakhtoon Khan said,
35:07that next time they will probably go to Islamabad with big guns.
35:10So my request to them is that those big guns should be used on terrorists
35:15and those big guns should be used on those who killed 130 Pakistanis in sectarianism.
35:21They should not be used on loyal governments just to achieve their political goals.
35:26Because if Pakistan…
35:28Look, we forget one thing.
35:30Pakistan's economy…
35:31This is why I am repeating it again and again.
35:33If the economy improves, it will be in all four provinces.
35:37Then there will be confidence.
35:39It is not possible that the economy will improve in these three provinces
35:42and not in Khairul Pakhtoon Khan.
35:44Or it will be in Khairul Pakhtoon Khan and not in the other three provinces.
35:47So this is a shared responsibility of all of us that the voters have given us.
35:53The voters, the people of Pakistan,
35:56whether it is 31% who voted for Tehreek-e-Inzaf
35:59or the 69% who voted for Muslim League Noon and People's Party.
36:04They voted to improve the lives of Pakistanis,
36:08to improve the future of their children.
36:11They did not vote to fight each other, to set fire to each other,
36:15or to shoot each other.
36:17The situation of the future is that…
36:19You know, the decision of the military court on 9th May,
36:23the same young men who were political workers for 10 years,
36:27and because of that they made a mistake,
36:30they have to go to jail for 10 years.
36:32This is sad.
36:33This is a lesson for all of us.
36:36And this is why the decisions that have been taken are very important.
36:40We have to make the young people understand that
36:43as long as you are raising slogans that you are a political worker,
36:47but when you have held a martyr's body in your hands and disrespected him,
36:53or you have set fire to some government and defence plans,
36:59then you are no longer a political worker.
37:01Then you have become a criminal.
37:03Right.
37:04Your right is until you force someone else's right.
37:07That makes sense.
37:08Absolutely.
37:09If the issue was only in PTI and the government,
37:13or in People's Party and PMLN, then it's a different matter.
37:16Leaders like you are complaining that you haven't met Nawaz Sharif since the elections.
37:22It's been almost a year and you haven't met him in a year.
37:25What is the reason for this?
37:30The president of the party has also been elected at the end of May.
37:36So his political thinking is that he has to decide when to launch his political activities.
37:47In Wafaaq and Punjab, you know that the Muslim League's Alhamdulillah government is present.
37:53The government is performing its work in a better way
37:57in different departments and from different angles.
38:02So when they understand it better, then the meeting will start.
38:06Is the political activity of PMLN in Punjab still dead, Mr. Khurram?
38:12Yes and no.
38:13There are meetings from time to time.
38:15But the kind of approach we have to take in the coming time,
38:21in which I have also expressed that the party needs to make a big change in its communication strategy.
38:28And also in its political strategy.
38:31So the preparation for the coming time,
38:35probably because there are still four years left in the elections,
38:39whenever the leaders understand it better, they will start their meetings.
38:43Mr. Khurram, has it ever happened before that Nawaz Sharif is in Pakistan
38:48and has lived in Pakistan for a long time.
38:52And at that time, PMLN has not met the leaders of Central Punjab or Punjab.
38:57Where have you been for such a long time?
39:00Yes, but every time there is a difference in its needs and matters.
39:06So the results of the elections on February 8, 2024,
39:12which have been made by our governments by the grace of Allah,
39:16we are all probably seeing and thinking about its consequences.
39:21And the way all the senior people of the party are present in the alliance at the moment,
39:26they will decide when the political action will take place.
39:29Mr. Khurram, please explain. I want to know what you are trying to say.
39:33What are the results that you are still thinking about?
39:36What was the result that PMLN is still thinking about?
39:40Is it something like the PTI of Form 45?
39:45No, one is polarization.
39:48And the second trend is that gradually,
39:53the parties of the provinces are ruling the provinces.
40:01The third term of the PTI is going on in Pakhtunkhwa.
40:05The third term of Muslim League None is also going on.
40:10Similarly, the fourth term of the Peace Party is going on.
40:13So, the national issues of Pakistan,
40:16which we have to discuss with each other,
40:19that how to run Bafaaq and the provinces financially,
40:23how to deal with terrorism again,
40:27and the issues of strengthening the parliament, strengthening the province assembly.
40:32These are a lot of serious issues, which may not have a political issue,
40:36but the political parties that claim the leadership of the country,
40:41they have to deal with these serious issues.
40:44So, Khurram sahib, one last question.
40:47Is it possible that Nawaz Sharif sahib may not get his Central Punjab Bill,
40:55especially from the leadership, due to the results of the elections?
40:59Yes, you can give us better information about this.
41:05But in the parties, there will be a discussion soon or later.
41:10For example, there is little talk of economic reform in the country.
41:17And in the past of Muslim League None,
41:20Alhamdulillah, it is an achievement in terms of deregulation,
41:23in terms of liberalization, in terms of privatization.
41:27But Khurram sahib, is this possible in the possibilities?
41:29The question I just asked, is this a possibility?
41:31Yes, yes, when I talk to him, Inshallah, it will be very soon,
41:35then all this will be revealed openly.
41:37Right, Khurram sahib, thank you very much for joining me in the program.
41:39We will go to the break and come back after the break.
41:41See you after the break.
41:45Welcome back after the break.
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