Imran Khan Kya Game Karahe Hen? - Muneeb Farooq Reveal Insiders
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00:00Sir, we will discuss this negotiation process with the US in the next round.
00:06You can comment on that later.
00:08But in this regard, what is the opinion of both the guests, Mr. Athar and Mr. Mohsin,
00:15that there won't be anything that will change the situation for the PTI?
00:19Do you also feel the same?
00:22Thank you, Haseen.
00:24Haseen, I believe that these talks are very important so that the temperature comes down.
00:29And it is possible that a compromise solution comes out of it.
00:36But through these negotiations, will the major conflict that we have at the moment,
00:42the political issue between Pakistan and the government or establishment,
00:46will it be resolved?
00:48I don't think so.
00:51The lines are completely closed on both sides.
00:53And I don't see any indication from the establishment that they are ready to make a fundamental change.
01:01Yes, it is possible that a compromise solution comes out of it.
01:07So that the situation cools down a little.
01:09And then it will be easier to find another way out.
01:13I think this can be a start in a way.
01:18But this will not end what Pakistan wants.
01:22So, knowing Mr. Khan, there is not much chance that when there will be 3-5 sessions in these conditions,
01:32and obviously the PTI will not get any big relief,
01:35will Mr. Khan one day hide the tweet?
01:37Will he give a statement that will spoil the whole thing?
01:41Look, I think this can happen.
01:45Along with that, both sides are buying time.
01:49After what happened in November, the PTI did not have much option.
01:53And the government does not have much to lose in this anyway.
01:57So, I think Pakistan is also looking at how international pressure develops,
02:01how things change,
02:03Trump is going to be inaugurated in about 3 weeks, what happens after that.
02:07So, they are buying time.
02:09Even if there is a little compromise,
02:11the people who are in prison, they get some relief from there.
02:15So, I don't think Pakistan will give a statement that it is time well spent for the next round.
02:20Okay, and Munir sir, when he met Barrister Gauhar sir today,
02:23after that he said that there should be a time frame.
02:27There should be a discussion in that.
02:29So, again, if in the next few sessions,
02:31the matter does not turn out to be fruitful,
02:33then it is not that Mr. Khan gets frustrated and spoils everything.
02:38Or he might think that the international situation is changing,
02:4020th January is coming, 500 tweets have come,
02:44pull this out and take something from here, give something,
02:48and ultimately find your way and succeed in finding your way.
02:51Is this scenario more likely, which I told you later,
02:54or is the first scenario more likely, in your opinion?
02:59Mr. Malhani, the request is that the situation that is in place at the moment,
03:05Mr. Imran Khan's mindset, his situation,
03:10he is operating well in that regard.
03:12So, he thinks that I have the option that I have to assert.
03:19If he asserts and the situation comes in his favour, then the matter is different.
03:25But frankly, I don't see this happening,
03:28that either the establishment creates a situation
03:34where Mr. Imran Khan's situation improves,
03:42if this does not happen, then I think this is a fight that will continue.
03:47Frankly, I don't see a turnaround in this right now.
03:51Keep this in mind that Mr. Imran Khan is also playing a game of nerves at the moment.
03:57He thinks that a time will come when everyone will concede in front of him.
04:00But the thing that is out of the syllabus for Mr. Imran Khan,
04:05is that Mr. Imran Khan has no idea what is the mentality of the army at the moment.
04:11And look, the army essentially operates as per the orders of any head of the army in Pakistan.
04:19So, the things that are going on at the moment,
04:23frankly, I don't see a turnaround in that.
04:27And the policy of Pakistan's army, Pakistan's establishment towards Mr. Imran Khan,
04:32that has not changed even a bit in the past two years.
04:36And I have always said this, I have always said this in front of you,
04:41that when the policy shifts, it will not be so major, so subtle, that you will see
04:47that Mr. Imran Khan has started getting his dividends.
04:50So, in today's history, is his case as likely to go to the military court
04:56as it was two weeks ago?
05:00The thing is, Mr. Badami, that I think the situation is the same.
05:06And the circumstances are probably going in the same direction.
05:09But for this, a very heavy state capital will be required for Mr. Imran Khan
05:14to try in the military courts.
05:18This is yet to be seen.
05:21But the precedent is at least being set.
05:24And look, when apparently anonymous people,
05:26that is, all those who have been punished so far,
05:28none of them are famous,
05:30when the European Union, the United Kingdom and the United States came on it,
05:33then it means that Mr. Khan has to be taken to the military court.
05:35So, we will have to look at its international aspect as well.
05:38Yes, we will have to look at it.
05:40And you cannot keep many things in isolation.
05:44You cannot say that you are in the world, but you are not a part of the world.
05:49The world is watching you.
05:50The world is tweeting about you.
05:52It is issuing statements.
05:54But the atmosphere here is that the precedent has to be set.
06:00At least there will be no compromise on this.
06:03Look, if Mr. Imran Khan is vulnerable,
06:06then the establishment of Pakistan has exposed him to the world.
06:10Now, it is not possible that one fine day in the morning
06:12they say that we have foregone what happened on 9th May.
06:15If they have taken a position,
06:17then they should justify it.
06:19And if they have said that they have irrefutable evidence,
06:23then it is okay.
06:24They should come forward and be punished according to them.
06:27So, let me tell you one thing.
06:28Then I will need Mohsin Beg.
06:29Because then I have to ask this angle to everyone.
06:31How important is 20th January in everything?
06:33Look, just now Mr. Athar was reminding.
06:35A few weeks ago we were talking.
06:38If I recall correctly,
06:39Mr. Athar said that you said that
06:41there will be no such pressure from America.
06:43Your opinion was different.
06:44We talked about it.
06:46And a few days later, we talked again.
06:48Without exaggeration, 25-30 tweets have come.
06:50Maybe more than this.
06:51Not just one from Richard Grenell.
06:53He has said a lot.
06:54From many other people.
06:55So, now we have all the reasons to believe
06:57that maybe Trump administration.
06:59Now, it will be surprising if Trump becomes president
07:02and he does not use his pressure tactic.
07:04Because so many tweets have come.
07:05So, how important is this matter?
07:08Today, it is not the same scenario
07:10as it was three weeks ago.
07:11Mr. Muneeb, are you also surprised?
07:13Since you are also of the opinion
07:15that there will be no such pressure from America.
07:17Look, whether there is pressure or not,
07:19if you keep both things in mind,
07:21Mr. Madami.
07:23I have already mentioned the possibility
07:25that the possibility is of anything.
07:27But you have to see
07:29what is happening in Pakistan.
07:31If someone thinks that
07:33the positioning will be like this,
07:35that the positioning will be
07:37that the phone call or pressure
07:39will increase a little more
07:41and after 20th January,
07:43the situation will be very different.
07:45Then we will see again
07:47if such a date is made.
07:49And the date will really make itself.
07:51But the position here at the moment
07:53is not such that
07:55on which it will happen that
07:5720th January will come,
07:59a call will come and everything
08:01will go in favor of Mr. Imran Khan
08:04that the convictions of Mr. Imran Khan
08:06after their existence,
08:08after their existence,
08:10a way can open for Mr. Imran Khan.
08:12And maybe a few things can happen
08:14by settling some matters
08:16on the appeal stage.
08:18But if we assume that
08:20this day has already been made
08:22that it is only 20th,
08:24after 20 the mountain will break
08:26and we will be the ones
08:28to accept it.
08:30So at least at this time
08:33I don't see any government
08:35or any establishment
08:37giving a position that
08:39it will have to be managed.