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00:00Mr. Durrani, it was a surprise for you that there was an election on 8th February, and what was the result?
00:06In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
00:08I was a little less surprised because before 8th February, I had already decided on Punjab, South Punjab and KPK.
00:16Because the people were not ready to accept anything.
00:21But this is the reality that the rulers who were ready to come to power at that time could not understand.
00:31And as Mr. Kalaswara said, there used to be some or the other incident in every election.
00:37In the evening, the results used to have breaks, and we did not see this for the first time.
00:43Mr. Durrani, this country is so unfortunate.
00:47I have also brought Mr. Mifta in this debate.
00:49Mr. Mifta, this country is so unfortunate.
00:51As he said, there is a U-turn in every election.
00:53We have a normal thing here.
00:55Elections are rigged in this country.
00:57No problem.
00:59How unfortunate can a country be?
01:03Mr. Mifta.
01:05Kashif, we have seen how unfortunate we are.
01:07We have seen the state of the country.
01:09Mr. Kalaswara, I would like to add to what Mr. Fahad and Mr. Kalaswara have said.
01:17On 8th February, the people voted against the powers that they had.
01:25In 2013, everyone expected the Muslim League to win.
01:29The powers also wanted the Muslim League to win.
01:33And the Muslim League won.
01:35The Muslim League won.
01:37So, the 19th and 20th centuries must have been managed.
01:39There must have been a few seats in Karachi.
01:41Not much happened.
01:43In 2018, the people were ready to support Imran Khan.
01:49At least the upper middle class and middle class powers.
01:53And the people supported him.
01:55The 19th and 20th centuries were different from the RTH.
01:57This time it happened that...
01:59Look, Mr. Shahid and I had a poll done in June and July.
02:03In that poll, we saw that Imran Khan's lead was 2-1 in North Punjab.
02:09In every Muslim League vote, Imran Khan was getting two votes.
02:13Imran Khan was leading in Central Punjab, West Punjab and South Punjab.
02:19And of course, he was leading in KP.
02:21So, we understood that Mr. Khan...
02:23This will be Imran Khan's election.
02:25He will win PTI.
02:27How many seats were you giving?
02:29Yes, PTI.
02:31At that time, we thought it was an easy majority.
02:35If you have more than 5-6 points in Central Punjab...
02:39Because the voters of Central Punjab are almost homogeneous.
02:43So, you will win all the seats.
02:45So, you can win more than 60 seats with a difference of 5 points.
02:47So, we could see that Imran Khan will win the election.
02:51And after that, he tried a lot.
02:53So, one or two things happened.
02:55When there was a little repression in Punjab,
02:57especially a lot of repression was done and people were scared.
02:59So, 20% of the people in the Pakistani polls said,
03:03we don't know who we will vote for.
03:05The Pakistani knew that he would vote for PTI,
03:07but he didn't say it.
03:09And it has come in the newspapers that people went to the survey,
03:11asked the shops,
03:13the employees said nothing in front of the shopkeeper.
03:15The employees came out and said,
03:17no, no, we will vote for Khan.
03:19In Karachi, I was thinking that Imran Khan will win 15 seats.
03:21He won 17.
03:23Actually, he won 20 seats.
03:25This was really surprising.
03:27No, no, Imran Khan won 20 seats in Karachi.
03:29Only in Karachi?
03:31Out of 22 seats, I think.
03:33Only in Karachi.
03:35Out of 22 seats, everyone says 19 seats,
03:37but a lot of people are saying that he won 20 seats.
03:39I mean, MQM has not even come second anywhere.
03:41Somewhere, Jamaat-e-Islam has come second.
03:43Somewhere, People's Party has come second.
03:45Somewhere, TLP has come second.
03:47So, Imran Khan won 20 seats in Karachi.
03:49But you also believe that the one who wins by losing is called a gambler in this country.
03:55You are saying this is unfortunate.
03:57The opinion of the people was very different from that of Muqtada.
03:59Absolutely.
04:01So, on 8th February, people gave a surprise to Muqtada.
04:03And on 9th February, they gave a surprise to the people.
04:05And the politics came to an end
04:07when you came at 7.30, 8 o'clock.
04:09Very well put.
04:11Very interesting.
04:13There were two surprises in elections.
04:15There was a surprise on 8th February,
04:17and a surprise on 9th February.
04:19This sentence is only in the document.
04:21So, what Mr. Rao is saying is right.
04:23But the Muslim League people were right.
04:25They had won.
04:27But the people didn't win.
04:29The people defeated them.
04:31Was it an anti-establishment election
04:33that eventually came to be?
04:35Or was it a low-incumbency factor
04:37plus Imran Khan's own popularity
04:39plus all the statements made by Imran Khan
04:41and the people's support for him
04:43and the people's support for him
04:45and the people's support for him
04:47and the people's support for him
04:49plus his anti-Establishment campaign
04:51plus all the statements made by Imran Khan
04:53and the people's support for him
04:55and the people's support for him
04:57He was jailed
04:59What was the real reason behind this?
05:01I don't think he had a valid point
05:03you can negate.
05:05he had valid points.
05:07But in my view,
05:09this election was different
05:11from all the elections of past.
05:13The first thing to be clear
05:15is that this community has no symbol around them.
05:47The opposition in the elections is not like this. Twitter is also silent for 6 months.
05:52No, but the 2018 election, the leadership of the opposition was in jail.
05:55It was in jail, but you see the statements, the kind of statements...
06:00I think winning Punjab was a big achievement for him.
06:03Then he got his dividends, but the way Khan sir ran his campaign and the way it happened, that was also a difference.
06:09The second thing is that this whole issue is not limited to Imran Khan sir.
06:15In the last elections, one thing has become very clear that the leaders have only taken a democratic step.
06:21And they are getting out of it.
06:24And the day they get up and sit like this...
06:27Are they still sitting?
06:28No, they have just taken a step and they will sit if the system continues like this.
06:33Now it is up to the politicians who run the elections to think about how they will put them back to sleep or limit the steps.