KHABAR Muhammad Malick Kay Saath | Second round of PTI-Govt talks | ARY News | 2nd January 2025
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00:00Asalaamu Alaikum, you are watching Khabar Lahariya, I am Muhammad Malik.
00:29The new year is starting off in a good way. We are seeing that we are getting a lot of positive signals.
00:34Dialogue, today was a very important sitting. PTI was in full strength, their delegation.
00:39Government was also in full strength in National Assembly.
00:42But surprisingly PTI said that next week we will present our written demands.
00:49And we will fine tune things when we meet Imran Khan.
00:54There was also a positive reaction from the government.
00:57They said that we should definitely do it.
00:59And the meeting will be arranged.
01:01And the meeting went on next week.
01:03But why was there a delay?
01:05Because these two or three conditions are very clear.
01:08And they have already been reduced to two.
01:10One is the release of all political parties.
01:12And second is the judicial commission on 9th May.
01:15And on 26th May PTI's claim that a lot of our people were martyred.
01:20Firing and everything else.
01:22So these two, I don't know which things will be added to this.
01:25What is the bigotry of this?
01:27Along with this, today we saw that the army chief forgave the convicts on 19th May.
01:36These were the people who were punished for two years.
01:40The first reaction of everyone was that maybe a big conference building has come.
01:46And the establishment has given a positive message.
01:49But along with this, when we talked to PTI's friends, they completely shagged it off.
01:54And said that it was a two-year punishment.
01:56No such day has come.
01:57They have been there for 16-17 months.
01:59So they were going to be released in 2-3 months anyway.
02:02So they are making it completely insignificant.
02:04In any case, there is significance that on 9th May, where there was a red line, there was a second one.
02:10But why was this postponed?
02:12Is it related to the news that Nusrat Javed gave?
02:16Nusrat Javed gave the news a day or two ago.
02:18And he claimed that two meetings of Bushra Bibi took place in Peshawar.
02:24Obviously, these are undisclosed meetings.
02:27So you can guess where and how they took place.
02:30And he said that after those two meetings, Bushra Bibi was also taken to Bani Gala.
02:36And there he also met Imran Khan in the conference room.
02:40And there the real issues are being discussed.
02:46At that time, we were also surprised.
02:49But a very interesting development has taken place.
02:52Now I am sharing my news with you.
02:54My news is that yesterday, between 8 and 9, a very important personality of Bushra Bibi met in Peshawar.
03:02It was a 40-45 minute long meeting.
03:05And its details will obviously come later.
03:09But one impression is that the negotiating team is sitting here.
03:14But the agenda and fine-tuning is happening elsewhere.
03:18And maybe that is why we will still ask questions.
03:20In the first part of the program, Salman Akram Raja has joined us.
03:23He is the secretary general of PTIK and obviously an eminent lawyer.
03:27When the two demands were final, then the delay can be understood from the fact that something else was happening elsewhere.
03:34When some other things were done, then we are also getting the news that two or three confidence-building measures are also being discussed.
03:41One is that Alima Bibi should be kept out of the process.
03:46In the entire dialogue process.
03:48Because she gives such statements that things get spoiled.
03:51That the atmosphere is getting spoiled.
03:53One is this suggestion, request, whatever you consider it.
03:57And the second is that Imran Khan blasts the establishment in his official tweets or in his talks.
04:05He should also be careful about that.
04:07Because then the rest of the trolling starts.
04:09Everything happens.
04:10And the atmosphere gets spoiled.
04:12These two or three things were going on.
04:14But when Imran Khan's statement came today, we did not see any softness in it.
04:19You know that a few days ago, Khalid Khursheed, the former chief minister of Gilgit-Baltistan, was sentenced to 34 years in prison.
04:29And different cases were made against him.
04:32That he threatened the election commissioner, the chief secretary of Gilgit-Baltistan, threatened secure institutions and gave hate speech.
04:41So on the one hand, 19 people are being forgiven.
04:44On the other hand, the 34-year-old former chief minister of Gilgit-Baltistan is being heard.
04:49And then Imran Khan said that on January 6, you know, the decision of the ยฃ190 million case is also coming.
04:55And Khan has said before that this decision will be against me.
04:59And today he said that four illegal decisions were made against me last year.
05:04I expect the same decision of the Al-Qaeda case on Monday.
05:08Such illegal and constitutional decisions are the cause of defamation of Pakistan all over the world.
05:14Then on January 7, the Ayni Bench is resuming the proceedings of the case in which civilians have been challenged in the military courts.
05:24About that too, Khan said that the entire judicial system was destroyed by making the Ayni court.
05:30And the case of Qazi Faiz Isa has been seized by the judicial system so that the judicial decisions can be made under the influence of GHQ while maintaining the tradition of Qazi.
05:42So no relief either to GHQ or to anybody else.
05:46But there is one more interesting statement.
05:49I am listening to these two or three Salman with your permission because I have questions to ask you.
05:55Then he also says that I have been offered to move to Bani Ghalam.
06:00My position is clear that first my captives and prisoners should be released.
06:06After that I will talk.
06:08So does this mean that this option is open?
06:11And can Khan Sahib see it then?
06:14You can see if the rest of the people sit first.
06:18And today, after a little talk, which was officially told by Irfan Siddiqui and Rana Sanaullah Sahib while talking to the media,
06:30Umar Ayub Sahib said during the meeting that our captives should not interfere in the process of their bail and the government should not oppose it.
06:41As you know, I had already informed you that this offer had come before the 24th that we will leave people in pieces.
06:48Yasmeen Rashid Sahiba, others on medical grounds, etc.
06:55And things will increase like this.
06:57Imran Khan will not be left, but these things will happen.
07:00It seems that all things have happened.
07:02Salman, Assalamu Alaikum.
07:04Wa Alaikum Assalam.
07:07Sorry for the slightly long intro.
07:10But tell me, today Khan Sahib has again said that our demands are legitimate.
07:17On 26th November and 9th May, the Judicial Commission will establish the release of political captives.
07:22Then why didn't you give this written charter of your demands today?
07:27Why did it go on next week?
07:29This means that the news is coming that there is a dialogue going on on one side and Bushra Bibi is doing it.
07:36So that can be the only reason that the things that are final in it, then on the basis of that, the Negotiating Committee will keep an agenda in front of the government.
07:45No, no, there is nothing like that.
07:49Look, last night we decided that we will not give this writing.
07:53Our position was that our demand is absolutely clear.
07:57We want to account for the blood of our martyrs.
08:01The people who are missing till today, we think that they have also been martyred.
08:06Their bodies have been buried somewhere.
08:08Like what happened in the case of Lal Masjid.
08:11Our innumerable people are injured.
08:14We will have to account for all this.
08:16And it is necessary for the Judicial Commission to investigate all these matters.
08:20Both on 26 November and 9 May.
08:23So we have put our position in front of the Government Committee today.
08:28I also reiterated it.
08:30Our other friends also said it.
08:33So it is absolutely clear that this is our fundamental demand.
08:37Similarly, the matter of the prisoners, we also put it in front of the Government Committee.
08:41So in this, you can write it down or you can say it verbally.
08:44That part of the minutes has been made anyway.
08:46It doesn't make much difference.
08:48But this was a requirement of the Government Committee that you write it down and give it to us.
08:52So we said that we will meet Mr. Khan.
08:54And according to his instructions, if we have to write down the Charter of Demands, then we will write it down and give it to him.
09:00We have no objection to it.
09:02And this also came from the Government today that they have no demand.
09:06We also wanted to know that this will be an exchange of demands or will these be demands from us only.
09:12They said that we have no demand.
09:14You tell us what we can do.
09:16This was decided last week.
09:19And you people said that we will give a written statement next week.
09:23After that meeting, you people will also have a meeting with Imran Khan.
09:27So where is the ambiguity?
09:30There is no ambiguity.
09:32Our demands are absolutely clear.
09:35The meeting that took place last week on the 22nd, only three members were present.
09:41The rest of us were not present that day when we sat together.
09:44So we decided that we do not need to write it down and give it to him.
09:48First we need to know that this will be an exchange of documents or will these be demands from us only.
09:54There is no demand from the other side.
09:56That was made clear today that there is no demand from the other side.
10:00So this is fine.
10:01Now the situation is clear.
10:03Our demands were clear yesterday.
10:05They are clear today as well.
10:06And they will be clear in the future as well.
10:08The blood of the martyrs, the missing persons, the injured are the top priority of our demand of the Judicial Commission.
10:15And along with that we demand that our people, whether it is Yasmin Rashid, Shah Mehmood or the other prisoners,
10:22our workers, Ijaz Chaudhry, Umar Sarfaraz Cheema, Mian Mehmood Rasheed,
10:27but there are hundreds of other workers who are not being bailed out.
10:32Their trial is also not being completed.
10:34So why have they been kept in jail?
10:36It is their right to be bailed out and to be released.
10:39So these meetings that Bushra Bibi is holding, in what capacity are these meetings being held?
10:48Or are these meetings being held by you?
10:52No, I don't think such meetings are being held.
10:54These are just rumours.
10:56This is being made up.
10:58I don't know of any such meeting.
11:00Our actions are very clear.
11:04We are talking to the government.
11:06And it is the government's job.
11:08If they think that they have to talk to someone else, then they will do it.
11:11But right now we want to adopt a legal process for the law and order in the country.
11:18The people who are in government right now should talk to us and take the steps that can be taken under the law.
11:26There is the Commission of Inquiry Act.
11:28Under that the government can establish a commission.
11:32The negotiations that you are doing, how are you looking at these negotiations?
11:40Like today Ali Min Gandapur Sahib said,
11:43that obviously these dialogues are happening with the intention of the establishment,
11:47otherwise how would the government do it on its own?
11:50In your opinion, are you negotiating with the government or are you negotiating with the establishment?
11:59Look, we are negotiating with the government.
12:02And if the government thinks that it needs the blessings of the establishment,
12:07then it should get those blessings.
12:09It doesn't matter to us whether the government has the authority or the government will do something by asking.
12:15The main thing is that our demands should be fulfilled.
12:19There should be a commission.
12:21There should be an account of the blood.
12:23Then you have deviated from the demands of Khan Sahib,
12:28when he used to say that either we will talk to the establishment or we will appoint handlers.
12:35So now you are asking the government to be legitimate,
12:38even if you don't consider it to be an indirect negotiation.
12:42So ultimately you are asking the government to be legitimate.
12:47No, no, look, the government is there anyway.
12:50It is a de facto situation.
12:52We think that the election was looted and we are sure that it was looted.
12:55We are not going to settle the matter in front of any other side.
12:58Salman, it was like this from the first day.
13:00It was de facto from the first day.
13:02Then your stance on de facto was different.
13:04Is it a sign of weakness?
13:07That the road is not getting heated enough,
13:10so now you are accepting that de facto reality?
13:14No, no, it is nothing like that.
13:16We are not deviating from any demand or our stance.
13:20We are saying to move the matter forward.
13:22No matter how it progresses, if you have the authority, do it yourself.
13:25If you want to do it by asking, do it by asking.
13:28We don't care about it.
13:30We were told that we can do it.
13:33We can move forward, talk to us.
13:35So we said, okay, we will see you, we will talk to you.
13:38These are two fundamental demands,
13:41which should not be tolerated.
13:43There is a law, the Commission of Inquiry Act.
13:46It is for this purpose that where there is a dispute
13:49regarding a major national event,
13:51there should be a non-partisan kind of investigation.
13:54So that can be done.
13:56What is your minimum bar?
14:01Salman, tell me, what is the minimum bar?
14:04No, no, no.
14:06On which you say that our negotiations have been successful.
14:10What will happen?
14:12If Imran Khan's release is not included in it,
14:15if the other prisoners are released,
14:17and a compromise is made on the Commission,
14:20is this dialogue successful,
14:22that Imran Khan's release is the litmus test,
14:26that the negotiations are successful or not?
14:31Look, why shouldn't Imran Khan be released?
14:34If the other prisoners are released,
14:36then Imran Khan should also be released.
14:38And there is no reason why he should not be released.
14:40It is a right of the people to be released.
14:43We have given it the form of a blessing for no reason.
14:46So Imran Khan's release is our goal in these negotiations.
14:51But Imran Khan is clear that he will be the last person to be released.
14:56First, all the other prisoners should be released.
14:59After that, they should be released.
15:01But this is a part of our demands,
15:03Imran Khan's release.
15:06No, no, it is a part of the demand.
15:08I am just asking you,
15:10if I ask Salman Akram Raja tomorrow,
15:12if your negotiations were successful or not,
15:15what will he say in the end?
15:19Yes, they were successful,
15:21because Imran Khan was also released.
15:23If the other prisoners are released,
15:25let me give you a hypothetical thing,
15:28if they are released,
15:30if the bails are done,
15:32like today your people said,
15:34let the bails be done,
15:36if Imran Khan's bails are done,
15:38and Imran Khan's bails are not done,
15:40and they are kept inside,
15:42then are the negotiations successful or not?
15:45Look, this is not how the negotiations are done.
15:48Of course, they will be successful to an extent,
15:51but we think that they will be successful only when
15:54there is justice with everyone.
15:56And Imran Khan and Bushra Bibi
15:58will have to be included in that justice.
16:01They should also be bailed.
16:03They should also become a Judicial Commission.
16:06Only then will we understand that we can move forward.
16:09We can talk about other things,
16:11like terrorism, economy,
16:13and what to do with our mandate,
16:15so that in the future,
16:17every election will not be like
16:19the election of 8th and 9th February.
16:22At the moment, we are facing a terrible situation,
16:25that every election can be claimed like this,
16:28and the elections in this country
16:30will be completely meaningless.
16:32These are all the goals that we have to achieve,
16:35but at the same time,
16:37we have two important demands.
16:39Sir, please tell us,
16:41this evolving situation,
16:43there is a dialogue going on,
16:45whether you agree with it or not,
16:47you are talking about it,
16:49there is a dialogue going on
16:51between Bushra Bibi and Imran Khan,
16:53there is a dialogue going on,
16:55there are very positive things happening from both sides.
16:58No, this is your assumption.
17:00This is an assumption,
17:02that there is a track 2 of Bushra Bibi.
17:05This is an attempt to detract this dialogue,
17:08so that people feel that
17:10this is not the case.
17:12Time will tell.
17:14If the boss is wrong,
17:16then the news will be wrong.
17:18In politics,
17:20when we tell things before time,
17:22people say it is an assumption.
17:24Then we tell the facts.
17:26The truth will come out,
17:28whatever it is.
17:30Every political party says
17:32that you are making assumptions,
17:34but things come out in the end.
17:36When Benazir Bhutto's dialogue was going on,
17:38with the Musharraf government,
17:40people made assumptions,
17:42but they came out in the end.
17:44Anyway,
17:46the evolving situation,
17:48do you still feel that
17:50there will be a military trial
17:52of Imran Khan in 9th May?
17:54Do you feel that
17:56there is a softening
17:58and this will also go
18:00into negotiations?
18:04If the negotiations go ahead
18:06and the international reaction
18:08is there,
18:10I think that
18:12in light of that reaction,
18:14the government or regime
18:16cannot tolerate
18:18a military trial of Imran Khan.
18:20The whole world will not accept it.
18:22It has become a joke in today's world,
18:24that there will be a military trial
18:26of Imran Khan in 9th May.
18:28No country other than Pakistan
18:30does not do this.
18:32Pakistan is the only country
18:34where civilians are put under
18:36this type of military trial.
18:38The whole world will not accept it.
18:40Salman,
18:42there is no such decision
18:44in the world,
18:46let alone the world.
18:48We always create
18:50our own history.
18:52I would like to say that
18:54history is another level of foolishness.
18:56But the military courts have
18:58a very scary historical background.
19:00The type of dictatorships that have been
19:02done, the way people have been killed
19:04by the military courts,
19:06this is a very dark history.
19:08I don't think that we should
19:10connect ourselves with this history.
19:12If anyone has any understanding,
19:14then he will not do this.
19:16In January,
19:18you people yourself
19:20took a week off.
19:22If you go next week,
19:24then 14 days of January will have passed.
19:26You have a deadline of 31 January.
19:28If all these things will be done
19:30by 31 January, then it is fine.
19:32You took two weeks off.
19:34What kind of
19:36deadline is this
19:38that you are
19:40exhausting yourself?
19:44What is there to worry about?
19:46Our situation is clear even today.
19:48Our situation was clear
19:50on 22 December.
19:52Both the demands are in front of our government.
19:54We don't want to add anything to this.
19:56We don't want to make any adjustments.
19:58So, this is not a big deal.
20:00If we meet next week,
20:02I hope we will meet on 7th or 8th,
20:04after that,
20:0620-22 days are more than enough
20:08to do anything.
20:10In my opinion,
20:12this is a matter of two sessions.
20:14So, 31 January,
20:1631 January is a cut-off date.
20:18Whatever has to be done,
20:20will be done by 31 January.
20:22After that,
20:24the negotiations will end.
20:26It is like this.
20:28Imran Khan has clearly said
20:30that 31 January is our deadline.
20:32After that,
20:34we will decide what to do.
20:38Okay.
20:40Salman, thank you very much.
20:42We will take a break here.
20:44We will take a short break.
20:46But, before the break,
20:48I would like to say something.
20:50Salman was right.
20:52He thinks that there is no track 2.
20:54But, I am telling you,
20:56there is a track 2.
20:58As time goes by,
21:00things come to light.
21:02Anyway, let's take a break.
21:04After the break,
21:06we will talk to Mr. Rana.
21:08Welcome back to the show.
21:10We have with us Mr. Rana Sinhaullah.
21:12Greetings, Mr. Rana.
21:14Greetings.
21:16Mr. Rana, congratulations.
21:18There is a lot of love
21:20in the government and PTI.
21:22There are good statements
21:24coming from both sides.
21:26But, just a while ago,
21:28Mr. Salman Akhtar
21:30in the first segment of the show
21:32said,
21:34how long will the talks go on?
21:36He said,
21:38the deadline is January 31st.
21:40Whatever has to happen,
21:42will happen by January 31st.
21:44If the decision is not made by January 31st,
21:46then the talks will end.
21:48The talks will end by January 31st.
21:50The talks will end by January 31st.
21:54So, let the talks go on
21:56till January 31st.
21:58You can tolerate this love.
22:00After that,
22:02maybe,
22:04your prayers
22:06or
22:08whatever
22:10is the reason
22:12for your surprise
22:14will end.
22:16So,
22:18the matter is that
22:20the demands
22:22that they will make to us,
22:24based on those demands,
22:26we will know
22:28whether it can be resolved
22:30by January 31st
22:32or it will take more time.
22:34So, today,
22:36they had to give us
22:38their Charter of Demands.
22:40And,
22:42next week, we had to give them
22:44their answer.
22:46I have asked them.
22:48I have asked them.
22:50They said, our demands are the same.
22:52We actually wanted to see
22:54whether there are any demands from the government or not.
22:56So, there are no demands from the government.
22:58We have also repeated
23:00our demands.
23:02So, next week, we are giving the same demands.
23:04So, their demands are the same.
23:06Their main demand is that all the prisoners,
23:08including Imran Khan,
23:10should be released on bail or whatever.
23:12And, two commissions should be made
23:14on both the incidents.
23:16They said, those are our demands.
23:18And, these two subjects are such that
23:20very easily, I told them,
23:22you took out two weeks.
23:24The first week was taken out.
23:26Next week, you took it yourself.
23:28There is a lot of time.
23:30There will be 15-20 days after that.
23:32There is a lot of time.
23:34If the government agrees,
23:36things will be clear, then it is fine.
23:38So, in their opinion,
23:4015 days is a lot for your negotiations.
23:42Look, if you want to talk about
23:44these two demands,
23:46or if you want to
23:48talk about this,
23:50then the matter is
23:52to make a judicial commission.
23:54In this way,
23:56if the issue of making a judicial commission
23:58is not resolved,
24:00then what will be the terms of reference?
24:02On whom
24:04will it be
24:06included?
24:08This is the main point.
24:10So, until they
24:12give us
24:14terms of reference,
24:16what answer should we give them?
24:18That,
24:20this commission
24:22can be made,
24:24should it be made on these terms of reference
24:26or not?
24:28For example, on 9th May,
24:30if the terms of
24:32reference are that
24:34PTI
24:36as a community
24:38was behind
24:40this issue
24:42or not,
24:44if it is only to this extent,
24:46will it be acceptable to them?
24:48Similarly,
24:50on 26th May,
24:52if this
24:54term of reference is used
24:56to make a commission,
24:58to find out
25:00how many people were involved in this
25:02and how many people
25:04were there
25:06to break things up
25:08and to spread
25:10rumours,
25:12and what harm they did
25:14on the way,
25:16will it be acceptable to them?
25:18So, these things,
25:20until they put
25:22them in front of us,
25:24we will not talk about them.
25:26Until then,
25:28it can neither be acceptable to them nor to us.
25:30And secondly,
25:32whatever they put in front of us,
25:34we have to come to our party leadership
25:36and talk about it.
25:38And only after their approval,
25:40we have to say yes or no
25:42to something.
25:44Similarly,
25:46the workers they are talking about,
25:48they should tell us,
25:50give us a list,
25:52and we will
25:54ask each and every person
25:56how they
25:58count them
26:00as political prisoners.
26:02How do they
26:04count them?
26:06If a person comes to my house
26:08and sets it on fire,
26:10and then says that
26:12as a political worker,
26:14he should be given the benefit
26:16then setting someone's house on fire
26:18is not
26:20a political activity.
26:22Political prisoners
26:24are on political activities.
26:26They have
26:28done a political act,
26:30that is why there are criminal
26:32proceedings against them.
26:34If a person commits a crime
26:36and then
26:38claims that
26:40as a political worker,
26:42he should not be
26:44trialled, then it is not right.
26:46Even if
26:48they have only two
26:50demands,
26:52or
26:54their Charter of Demand
26:56is based on these two things,
26:58but when they
27:00go into detail about these things,
27:02when they demand from us,
27:04we will answer them.
27:06After that, there will be a discussion
27:08on these issues.
27:10As a result of that discussion,
27:12we have no objection
27:14on concluding the case
27:16by 20th January.
27:18If it takes more time,
27:20then they should be encouraged.
27:22But they are not
27:24asking you to end the case.
27:26They are not asking you
27:28to release them.
27:30They are saying,
27:32because they think that
27:34these people have been caught
27:36in these cases.
27:38They are not saying that
27:40our people have not done it.
27:42They are saying that
27:44the people who have been caught,
27:46they should be released and
27:48the courts should continue.
27:50No, tell me,
27:52the people
27:54who have committed 9th May,
27:56if they are not
27:58their own people,
28:00then why are they
28:02making the people who have been released,
28:04wear this garland?
28:06Why are they making them own?
28:08These people
28:10who have been released,
28:12don't they have
28:14any video evidence against them?
28:16When they were punished,
28:18they were not brought
28:20in front of the media.
28:22After that, did these people not write
28:24that we made this mistake,
28:26we should be forgiven.
28:28Their punishments were not
28:30forgiven on their mercy petition.
28:32They used to say that these people
28:34are not ours.
28:36In front of the media,
28:38in front of the media,
28:40you are a lawyer,
28:42there is a verdict in front of the media.
28:44There are no detailed judgements.
28:46In the civil court,
28:48there is a whole year in the judgement
28:50and we read it.
28:52There is an argument for the whole case.
28:54Here, there is no detailed verdict.
28:56We only know that this person
28:58has been punished for 9 years,
29:00this person for 2 years, 5 years.
29:02We cannot talk about it.
29:04We are assuming that there is a video.
29:06But I don't know whose video it is.
29:08No, no,
29:10they have been provided
29:12those copies.
29:18So, in your opinion,
29:20there are so many technical issues.
29:24In your opinion,
29:26there are so many technical issues.
29:28No, I am coming to the negotiations.
29:30In your opinion,
29:32there are so many technical issues.
29:34In your opinion,
29:36there are so many technical issues.
29:38Do you find it difficult
29:40or impossible to solve
29:42those issues in 15-20 days?
29:46No,
29:48I don't find it difficult
29:50or impossible.
29:52Now,
29:54the Charter of Demand
29:56that will be given to us,
29:58our position on it,
30:00the difference
30:02between that position
30:04and their demand,
30:06will decide
30:08whether it can be solved in one meeting
30:10or in ten meetings.
30:12How much time is required for this?
30:14For example,
30:16they say that the claims
30:18against us
30:20are correct.
30:22We do not
30:24object to those claims.
30:26We do not
30:28object to those claims.
30:30We have applied for bail.
30:32We have applied for bail.
30:34The prosecution should not
30:36object to it.
30:38The court should facilitate
30:40us to get the bail
30:42granted.
30:44Now,
30:46the cases and the accused,
30:48in all the cases
30:50and the accused,
30:52there can be a difference
30:54of opinion
30:56between the accused and the accused.
30:58Now,
31:00out of 103 people,
31:0218 people were released
31:04earlier.
31:06Out of 85 people,
31:0819 were released
31:10and forgiven.
31:12Out of the 67 people
31:14who have appealed,
31:16it is possible that
31:18some of them may get
31:20a concession.
31:22So,
31:24the 19 people
31:26who have been released,
31:28is this a conference building measure?
31:30Is this a message
31:32to the PTI
31:34that we are backing
31:36the government's process
31:38and are demonstrating
31:40a good intention.
31:42If you stay in the dialogue process
31:44and keep talking,
31:46there can be more relief.
31:48Is this a clear message from the CBM?
31:50In this regard,
31:52because
31:54the army chief's
31:56office
31:58has left
32:00these people
32:02with a
32:04lenient view
32:06on the appeals.
32:08So,
32:10now,
32:12they are not
32:14participating
32:16in the negotiations,
32:18but they have a very clear
32:20stance of DGI and SPR
32:22that they do not have a mandate
32:24to negotiate.
32:26But, they have
32:28taken the initiative
32:30to negotiate
32:32between the political parties.
32:34They have said that
32:36we will be very happy
32:38if the political parties
32:40and politicians
32:42sit together
32:44and resolve their issues.
32:46So,
32:48you cannot
32:50judge this
32:52in your own way.
32:54Mr. Rana, in the same statement,
32:56he has also said that
32:58people have been punished.
33:00But, until the mastermind
33:02is punished,
33:04this will not reach a logical conclusion.
33:06Then, Mr. Faiz Ameed
33:08has said that
33:10his investigation is going on
33:12and what he has done
33:14with vested political interest
33:16will happen in the coming days.
33:18In the statement of ISPR,
33:20there is no doubt that
33:22it is a matter of PTI
33:24and PTI leadership.
33:26Now, the question arises
33:28and it is interesting
33:30that you have brought this matter
33:32in front of them.
33:34Until yesterday, we knew
33:36that there will be a military trial
33:38of Mr. Imran Khan
33:40in the case of May 9th.
33:42And, this has been repeated
33:44and emphasized
33:46by DJI and ISPR
33:48that these things will reach a logical conclusion.
33:50So, has the threat of military trial
33:52on Imran Khan
33:54ended or is it still there?
33:58No, you cannot
34:00pre-empt this matter.
34:04The question is
34:06whether the mastermind
34:08of May 9th
34:10should be released.
34:12But,
34:14the matter is that
34:16discussions are one thing
34:18and political democratic
34:20system is another thing.
34:22In that system,
34:24dialogue between
34:26opposing political parties
34:28is another thing.
34:30And, in this parliamentary
34:32democratic system,
34:34engaging each other
34:36is another thing.
34:38Now, there has been an incident
34:40where a person is accused
34:42of committing a crime.
34:44What is the connection
34:46between his punishment
34:48and his punishment?
34:50Whoever is accused
34:52of committing a crime
34:54should face
34:56a separate charge.
34:58But, it does not mean
35:00that you should
35:02blame the entire system
35:04and say that
35:06the system will not move forward
35:08and that you will not
35:10release the culprits
35:12of this incident
35:14or that you will not
35:16take any action
35:18against them.
35:20These things cannot
35:22be justified.
35:24These two things
35:26should be discussed
35:28in their respective places.
35:30If I understand your point,
35:32whether the discussions
35:34are successful or not,
35:36Imran Khan
35:38has been accused
35:40by the government
35:42that he was
35:44the mastermind of
35:46May 9th.
35:48The government also
35:50takes the name of Faiz Ameed.
35:52So, whether the discussions
35:54are successful or not,
35:56it will go on in parallel
35:58and will reach its logical
36:00conclusion as before.
36:02Am I right?
36:04Yes, absolutely.
36:06This should happen
36:08and this is the
36:10requirement of the law.
36:12But, it is necessary
36:14that no innocent person
36:16should be charged
36:18in May 9th.
36:22Mr. Rana,
36:24many questions arise
36:26that the government
36:28does not have a mandate
36:30but it cannot go beyond
36:32I will tell you the limit.
36:34We are told that there are
36:36two or three things
36:38that were offered on
36:4024th November.
36:42Bails will be allowed
36:44in the cases.
36:46Like Yasmin Rashid
36:48is a serious case
36:50but she is 75 years old
36:52and a cancer patient.
36:54She can be on medical grounds.
36:56The rest of the people
36:58are old enough
37:00and there will be facilities
37:02for Mr. Khan as well.
37:04Electricity will not be shut down
37:06for two days.
37:08These are the small things
37:10that irritate.
37:12Reliefs will be given to some parties
37:14but short of reliefs,
37:16Mr. Rana,
37:18the government can talk about the rest
37:20but you do not have the
37:22authority to talk about
37:24Mr. Khan's release
37:26or going to that matter.
37:28Is this correct?
37:34Mr. Rana,
37:36we will take your answer
37:38after the break.
37:40It is a serious question.
37:42Stay with us
37:44because it is very important.
37:46Let's take a break.
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37:56Welcome back to the show.
37:58Mr. Rana,
38:00before the break,
38:02I had a long question
38:04but it was simple.
38:06How much authority do you have
38:08to give relief?
38:10Many people think
38:12that you have a limited mandate.
38:14Can the government make
38:16a decision on this?
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