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00:00Let's talk MVP race. We've hit it a little bit throughout our show today, but what we have is one of the
00:06More fascinating MVP races. I feel in the last few years
00:11typically the MVP race is
00:14straightforward it appears at least and
00:17There's a real eat kind of to me obvious reason why this one is not clean-cut
00:23You look within the last decade the recipe to win MVP is simple be the quarterback on the one seed
00:30well, you look around at the one seeds and
00:33One of them is completely up in the air because the loser of us the Sunday nighter is gonna be the fifth seed
00:40So it can't really be guff and it's certainly not going to be Sam Darnold
00:43Despite what any conversations people are trying to drum up on the AFC side the current one seed. I
00:51Don't know the first ballot Hall of Famer who's been labeled the greatest quarterback of all time who's so bad
00:56He didn't even make the Pro Bowl in his conference
01:00Superbowl winner though, that's great. Cool. Good. Not good enough to be one of the five best quarterbacks though in the prime of his career
01:06But I know if if games on the line, we all want him to have the ball. I agree
01:12How about maybe the game not be on the line at the end of every game that you could have won an MVP true
01:16That's all right, though
01:17We pretend he's been disrespected and snubbed and then it goes on and he has a really good playoff game
01:23And we pretend that the good playoff game was always in the plans and all they should have put him in the Pro Bowl
01:28Yada-bada-ba, but since it's not the one seed
01:32We just went down to the two seat of it all which was Josh Allen, but apparently that's
01:38become boring for people and
01:40Now we've completely changed the criteria of this race where the record is mattering less and less and less
01:48Because the record is exclusively why Lamar Jackson won his second MVP last season
01:55We sit here on this Saturday and all of a sudden
01:58Lamar Jackson
02:00Who's having a phenomenal season?
02:02Let's not pretend ten times better than last year's season where he wasn't even one of the five best quarterbacks in football
02:08could
02:09Maybe steal an MVP. Here's my question to you
02:13Lisi, how much does today matter in the MVP race for me?
02:19It doesn't matter all that much and the reason why I say that is I think it's Josh Allen hands down
02:24He knocked off the Kansas City Chiefs handed them their first loss
02:28Yeah, he beat the best team in the NFC at that time in terms of Detroit that had won 11 straight games
02:33He beat them on their home field with a dominating 300-yard
02:38Performance he stepped up his team only has three losses. They've secured the number two seed
02:43He's playing one of his best seasons in Buffalo. And again, they're the number two seed
02:48I granted it's going to Kansas City
02:51But he's the only team to knock off the Chiefs and beat them by eight plus points. I think it's Josh Allen for me
02:58It's hands down minus 350. I think is secured if we're looking big-picture
03:02Lamar and Joe Burrow, which one would you take a flyer on?
03:05I would to just take a flyer on Joe Burrow at 30 to 1
03:09To your point if he can light it up maybe for 500 today and five touchdowns
03:14Maybe that wows everybody but it to me. It's Josh Allen or bust Donnie
03:18It makes sense
03:18But also, you know as humans we drink a lot of haterade as we get later in the season
03:23We want the next specs thing. You can have somebody running toe-to-toe for 15 weeks
03:26Oh, did you see this other guy coming from behind same thing? We're gonna talk about in the college football draft coming up
03:31Hey, we've got two great quarterbacks start the season now. We don't have any great quarterbacks. Why nothing has changed
03:35so for me MVP and my standard is give me a good football team and give me a team that
03:41Absolutely cannot be without this one player and it's the Buffalo Bills with Josh Allen at quarterback
03:46I'm not saying the Baltimore Ravens will be a Super Bowl caliber team without Lamar Jackson
03:50But they would be functional and not going into the draft saying you know what we have three or four wins on the season
03:55I truly believe that's what the Buffalo Bills will have but we do have to understand there is a solo
04:01Stand-alone football game today. That's not at one o'clock on a Sunday
04:04It's 430 on a Saturday
04:06Which everybody's gonna line up and want to watch because we don't have any college football or anything to do today
04:11And if he shows up 275 for touchdown passes no interceptions and they roll
04:1646 to nothing that's gonna bump him up in a lot of books
04:20Maybe unfairly but then you don't even get the counterpoint say well
04:23I have the last stand because I'm gonna take a handoff
04:26We're talking about Josh Allen and I'm gonna get out of the football game and therefore at the end of the season
04:31It's this that's don't even line up the borough or even Lamar Jackson for Josh Allen. How can he win it?
04:36We're gonna get into that conversation
04:38Well, that is one of the things that you're right Donnie is already starting to happen
04:43Statistically Josh, which is very rare for Josh Allen does not jump off the page
04:49Again, unless Josh goes out there and plays for real, which I don't think he's going to be the first time in a long time
04:55He doesn't throw for
04:574,000 yards, right? We haven't seen that at a job Josh Allen
05:00Now it's the last time that happened was his sophomore season and he was still completing less than 60% of his passes
05:06Yeah at that point in time the rushing numbers are good this year
05:11Not as good as last year's, right?
05:14There's it but the biggest difference for Josh this season is he has stopped turning the football over six interceptions last year
05:2218 year before that 14 year before that 15 and I think when you talk about
05:28Supporting cast Josh has a very good offensive line
05:31But the skill position, I mean Derrick Henry's the first ballot Hall of Fame. Well, I don't know how the whole thing works
05:36I don't know Derrick Henry's a Hall of Famer. Chase is gonna end up being a Hall of Famer. You kind of look, you know, what?
05:42Josh Allen, it seems like it's all there for him
05:45But I agree with you both if I had to vote I also would submit mine for Josh Allen
05:51We don't have votes and I'm I know this is again last year somebody who was invested in Brock Purdy
05:57I knew when they lost the Christmas game to the Ravens. I lost my bet
06:01I knew that and I but I while I was annoyed by it. I was bothered by it Stroud
06:06That sure had a better season than Lamar. I knew they weren't gonna give it a Stroud. I
06:11Understood what was going on? What I I know this isn't incredibly helpful to the people. I don't know what's going on
06:19This isn't there's no consistency now to the MVP award this season again you have
06:26Josh Allen booked as the favorite. I can't remember the last time
06:29I heard somebody on the national platform debate that Josh deserves the award
06:34We think he does but you have a section of people saying I don't understand how it's not Lamar
06:40Look at the statistics. I'm watching bowl games and I got by the way, it's Joe Burrow. Not your league's MVP like
06:47It feels as if and this is to your point Donnie
06:50Hmm, it feels like Josh is now forgotten and that gets multiplied if tonight Lamar
06:56Here's three passing touchdowns in 250 yards and then Burrow follows it up with
07:02350 yards and three passing touchdowns and then Josh plays a drive at most
07:07Against New England, but also understand this too. You're looking at the environments that Josh Allen is playing it winning football games are great
07:14Yes, but you need the statistics to compile
07:16He's played some really bad weather football games over the past month where other guys have been able to play in domes or clean scenario
07:22Situations or at least with another team with a heartbeat where you have to come back and continue to answer the bell
07:27The one thing we know about Josh Allen, you want to get in a high-scoring game with Buffalo?
07:30He's gonna answer that but if the Buffalo Bills defense is playing good football
07:33They'll run that clock out and I'll finish with two touchdowns and you know, 220 yards passing
07:37But if you want to engage in we need Josh Allen to be there. We've seen him with six touchdown games
07:42He just hasn't been asked to do that the past couple weeks and I do think Joe it's actually hurting him in the statistical race
07:47Yeah last two games
07:49182 passing yards
07:50154 they've won those games, but they were you know, it was close against the New England Patriots
07:55They they close out the New York Jets basically in the second half after it was a 12 to nothing first half lead
08:01And I understand that but they're winning football games, right? And again think about the weapons Dawson Knox
08:08He had Dalton Kincaid Khalil Shakir Keon Coleman Amari Cooper. I mean
08:14Mac Collins, I mean he's doing it. He doesn't I mean James Cook is great James book is statistically having
08:20Right horror unreal, but he's not say Quan Barkley's not Derrick Henry, right? There's a pedigree, right?