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00:00I'm Adam Agee and with me, she is a makeup artist we have in the studio.
00:06It's Tika Maria. Welcome to the studio.
00:09I once took an iPhone 5 class.
00:12I taught 10 people.
00:15I did nothing on Saturday and Sunday.
00:17I went to sell makeup and then I took a makeup class.
00:19In this makeup class, I usually do it during fasting month.
00:22Because people want to celebrate Eid, right?
00:24So they want to learn makeup for Eid.
00:27So during fasting month, there's no job.
00:29People don't get married.
00:29There's no wedding for fasting month, right?
00:31So we do a makeup class.
00:39There's an English proverb that says,
00:40money makes the world go round.
00:43In an era where everyone needs money,
00:45it's up to us what we want to do for our livelihood.
00:50Some are working and some are doing business.
00:54Assalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh
00:56and selamat sejahtera kepada semua pendengar podcast Duit Tepi.
01:00I'm Adam Agee and with me,
01:03today, we have a guest, Jelita.
01:07She is a makeup artist we have in the studio.
01:11It's Tika Maria. Welcome to the studio.
01:14Thank you for having me.
01:16Thank you so much, Adam.
01:17Thank you for coming.
01:19We want to know more about your success as a makeup artist.
01:25You know, all the things that...
01:27Okay, there's a spicy question.
01:29Just a little bit.
01:30We want to spice things up, right?
01:32Okay, Isti.
01:34How did you...
01:35Okay, before that.
01:37Introduce yourself first.
01:39Hi, everyone. My name is Istika Maria.
01:41You can call me Isti for short.
01:43I'm a professional makeup artist.
01:47I've been in this industry for 9 years,
01:50but I've been active for 2 years.
01:52I see.
01:53Oh, yeah.
01:54Full-time makeup artist.
01:55Full-time makeup artist. Professional makeup artist, okay.
01:57Professional.
01:57So, the background.
02:00How did you decide to enter the world of makeup artist?
02:04What is your experience or experience somebody?
02:09Okay, how did I become a makeup artist?
02:11It's actually because of my sister.
02:14My sister is also a makeup artist.
02:16I followed her to be a makeup artist.
02:19I followed her to do all the jobs.
02:21Since I was 2 years old, she was 3 years old.
02:23I followed her, I assisted her.
02:25At that time, I was 3 years old, she was 4 years old.
02:27And also, at that time, I was a little older.
02:30She asked me,
02:31are you interested in becoming a makeup artist?
02:32I said, yes, I'm interested.
02:33And then from there, she trained me.
02:36I followed her to do makeup.
02:37I saw how she did makeup for people.
02:39How she handled clients.
02:41What products did she use?
02:42How was her skill?
02:43And she is the one who inspired me to become a makeup artist.
02:46So, it's from your sister.
02:48Yes, from my sister.
02:49So, when you first started,
02:51when you wanted to learn how to do makeup,
02:53who was it?
02:54Who's your canvas?
02:55Did you do it at Batong or at Mak?
02:56My canvas is my sister.
02:58I was afraid that my sister would be the canvas.
03:00When I did it, she was like,
03:02eh, what is this?
03:04But, that's how she became my canvas.
03:06And also, my canvas is my friends,
03:09my schoolmates, and also my sister.
03:13Okay, when you started to do business as a professional makeup artist,
03:18how was it in the beginning?
03:20From the point of view of wanting to start,
03:22to get the client,
03:23and then the knowledge.
03:24Of course, you said you got the knowledge and inspiration from your sister.
03:28So, how did you get the knowledge?
03:30Did you learn it yourself or did you go to class?
03:32Okay, I got the knowledge mainly from my sister.
03:36And also, my sister was diligent in going to class.
03:38So, she took me to class as well.
03:41So, from that, I got the knowledge to become a makeup artist.
03:45And also, in terms of fun,
03:47it's not cheap to be a makeup artist.
03:49You need a very large model.
03:51Because makeup alone, one palette of eye shadow makeup,
03:55it's not RM10 or RM20, it's RM200 to RM300.
03:58So, imagine if it's a full set, full kit,
04:01how many thousands are there, right?
04:02So, the one who funned me first was my sister.
04:05And then, little by little, I got a job.
04:08I uprooted the model to buy my own stuff.
04:11That's right. Because, you know,
04:13to be a makeup artist, we don't have one item.
04:15We have all kinds of things.
04:16From blusher, eyeliner, lipstick, right?
04:19If it's a man, we...
04:21I cannot speak for others.
04:23For me, I know a few items.
04:26But generally, for men, they only know lipstick, blusher.
04:29Actually, you have to invest in a lot of things too.
04:33So, do you still remember the first time, I would say,
04:37the first real client?
04:40Who was it or when was it?
04:42Tell us more about that.
04:44Okay. My client was a bride at first.
04:47At that time, I was in Form 4, if I'm not mistaken.
04:51So, I got this client.
04:54She trusted me because my sister did her sister's makeup.
04:57She was also a bride. And I did her makeup.
04:59So, they had a wedding on the same day.
05:01My sister and her sister.
05:02So, I did her sister's makeup.
05:03And yeah, that's my client.
05:05At that time, I was in Form 4.
05:07And I don't know how they could trust me.
05:10But eventually, they trust me.
05:12And they were happy with the result.
05:14I still have the picture, actually.
05:16Because makeup is an art, right?
05:19Makeup is an art.
05:20So, the more you practice, the more you do makeup,
05:24it will be even better.
05:25Yes, true.
05:26So, it started from middle school and up until now.
05:29It's a long journey, right?
05:30True.
05:30Wow. Okay.
05:31For makeup items, usually your go-to item
05:36if there's a client who said,
05:37Okay, I want to see the items that you will bring
05:40to meet the client.
05:41What are the essentials?
05:43Actually, what I put in front is my essentials.
05:46I cannot do my makeup without all this.
05:49I see.
05:50So, what are the basic items?
05:53Essential, this one.
05:54I love this one.
05:56This is my favorite.
05:58I got to know about this product
06:00when I went to a makeup class at Artist Island that day.
06:02If you know Babarabi,
06:04of course.
06:05The makeup for Amina, Jananik, all of them.
06:07I want to ask if she has opened a story.
06:09We will come back to that later.
06:10It's too early.
06:12Okay, this one is a mist and also setting spray.
06:16You usually hear about setting spray.
06:18But, you can use it before and after makeup.
06:20I cannot live without this one
06:23because I don't get any other product
06:25that has the same effect as this one.
06:27Okay, I want to ask.
06:28As a person who is not very good at setting spray,
06:31do we use it after makeup?
06:32Okay, actually, there are two types.
06:34Setting spray and fixing spray.
06:36For me, you can use setting spray before and after makeup.
06:40For me.
06:40This is what I learned.
06:42So, the function of setting spray is
06:44to make your makeup moist
06:47and also to make your makeup lock on your face.
06:50And when your makeup is moist,
06:51your makeup won't dry,
06:53then your makeup will last longer.
06:55If your makeup is dry,
06:56your makeup will crack.
06:57That's what I learned.
06:59If your makeup is moist,
07:00if there is enough moisture on your face,
07:03your makeup will last longer.
07:04It won't crack, there won't be lines.
07:05If your makeup is dry,
07:06if there is not enough water,
07:07remember, this is water, right?
07:08Yes, water.
07:09That's why your makeup will crack.
07:09There will be lines,
07:10there will be cracks,
07:11and then the makeup will peel off from your face.
07:12That's right.
07:13Peeling off is one of the reasons.
07:14Yes, that's right.
07:15I see.
07:16And then, okay, next item.
07:17Next item.
07:20There are many types.
07:21Okay.
07:22Okay, this is a setting powder.
07:24It's a perfecting micro powder.
07:27It's a setting powder.
07:28It looks like a compact powder.
07:30Setting spray.
07:31Setting powder.
07:32Yes.
07:32Okay.
07:33Okay, this one,
07:34I put it on my client's face
07:36to get a smoothing effect.
07:38It looks like there's no pores on my face.
07:40It looks like a filter.
07:42Using this.
07:42This is not a concealer, right?
07:44No, it's not a concealer.
07:45It's a powder.
07:45Powder, okay.
07:47So, what is it?
07:48Concealer, powder.
07:49So, what is a concealer?
07:52Okay, concealer.
07:53Okay, this concealer actually functions
07:55to highlight your under eyes.
07:57And then, if you notice,
07:58people will put it on the T-zone.
08:00Under the eyes.
08:01And also on the upper lip and lower lip.
08:03To highlight your features.
08:05Concealer, okay,
08:06I'll give you a tip before I watch this.
08:08To conceal your dark circles,
08:11any imperfections,
08:12any acne marks,
08:14don't use concealer.
08:15Use a corrector.
08:17Okay, a color that is a little darker
08:21than your skin tone.
08:22If you put a bright color on a dark color,
08:25like under the eyes,
08:26actually, your under eyes,
08:27if it's a dark circle,
08:28it's black, right?
08:29Dark circle.
08:30If you put a bright color to conceal,
08:31it will be a dark circle.
08:32It won't cover.
08:34Okay?
08:34Oh my God, okay.
08:35I want to tell you about my school days.
08:38I remember this one incident.
08:40So, since you mentioned dark circles,
08:43it actually started from foundation,
08:45concealer.
08:45Oh my God.
08:46Why?
08:47In the past, we didn't know
08:48that if we bought makeup,
08:49we have to look at the bottom.
08:50There are codes, right?
08:53We have to buy according to our skin tone.
08:55So, if you buy it wrong,
08:56it will become a dark circle.
08:58Because there was a tragedy like that.
08:59It was a heart-wrenching tragedy.
09:00And if we want to tell it here,
09:01it will become viral.
09:02So, the things that we have to choose
09:06are really important for the face.
09:08For example, the color of the face,
09:10and the coding.
09:11Your skin tone has to be correct.
09:13Then, if you want to conceal dark under the eyes,
09:15you use a bright color
09:16or your own skin tone.
09:18I see.
09:19It won't cover the dark circle.
09:20It will be darker.
09:22Like that.
09:23Okay, for the next item.
09:25Next item.
09:27This one.
09:29What's that?
09:30This one is my favorite.
09:32This one.
09:33Okay, now.
09:34Based on what you know,
09:35people usually draw a contour, right?
09:36People will draw a contour for the full face.
09:39Like for…
09:40What is it called?
09:41There is a new shape.
09:42But like me,
09:43I don't like to draw my client's contour.
09:45Even my own contour,
09:46I won't draw it.
09:47Whatever I do, I will just brush it.
09:50Just accentuate the features only.
09:53I will brush it.
09:53Like my contour now.
09:54I use this product on my contour now.
09:56I will just brush it
09:57to make it look like a smooth contour.
10:00It will be a bit…
10:01You can see the contour.
10:03I want to try.
10:04Sure.
10:05This is live, right?
10:06Yes, please.
10:07So, how do I do it?
10:07Okay, we have a terminer here.
10:10We want to try.
10:11Just do it slowly.
10:12Is this right?
10:13Yes.
10:13Okay, let's try.
10:14Just do it slowly.
10:15Like a brush.
10:16Like that.
10:21On fleek.
10:22You can see it.
10:22People call it feathery contour.
10:24Have you heard of it?
10:25No, I have never heard of it.
10:26It's from Thailand.
10:27This is a product from Thailand.
10:30Oh, just like this?
10:30Yes.
10:31But there's a way to do it.
10:34I don't get it.
10:34It's too obvious.
10:35If you don't want it to be colourful,
10:36there's a way to do it.
10:38I see.
10:39Okay.
10:40So, we have the brush.
10:42And then we have the pencil.
10:43What about the pencil?
10:44Is it the same thing?
10:45It's like this.
10:47For the pencil, I don't use it anymore.
10:48Because when you make a contour,
10:50it will look like it's stamped.
10:52It's not natural.
10:53That's right.
10:54That's great.
10:55I get it.
10:57Okay, so...
10:58Okay, this one.
10:59It's like that too.
10:59But it's not colourful.
11:01Right?
11:02You...
11:03Just a little bit.
11:04Just a little bit.
11:05But it's not colourful.
11:06Okay, it's not colourful.
11:08Pop.
11:09Like this, right?
11:10Don't scratch it.
11:11Okay.
11:12Okay, hold it like this.
11:13Yes, that's right.
11:14Can you see the feathery contour?
11:17He's laughing.
11:22Oh my God.
11:23Can you see the feathery contour?
11:25Yes, I can see it.
11:26And it's neat.
11:27It will tidy up your feathery contour.
11:29If your feathery contour is not neat,
11:32you can push it up.
11:33Then, it will have a shape.
11:34So, we do this
11:34according to its flow, right?
11:35Yes, according to your natural feathery contour.
11:38Up to the end?
11:40Yes, up to the end.
11:40Not too much, right?
11:42As much as you want.
11:43Okay.
11:44It's tidy, right?
11:46Oh my God.
11:48Don't tease me.
11:49I'm sorry.
11:49We're modern women.
11:52Makeup is...
11:53No gender for makeup.
11:54Men can also wear makeup.
11:55Okay.
11:56Makeup, right?
11:57If from your experience,
11:59you've done men's makeup,
12:01women's makeup,
12:02is there any difference?
12:03What's the difference
12:05when we do men's makeup?
12:06Like this.
12:06Women's makeup is like this.
12:07Okay.
12:07For men's makeup,
12:10as you guys know,
12:11it's shadow, blusher, lipstick,
12:13red color, chocolate color,
12:16all kinds of colors, right?
12:17But for men,
12:18we call it grooming.
12:19We don't call it makeup.
12:20We call it men's grooming.
12:22Usually, for men's grooming,
12:23what I will do is
12:25we just cover the spots near the face.
12:27Where it's dark, we cover it.
12:29And then we contour a little
12:30to give the face a shade.
12:32So, if you just put foundation,
12:33your face will be flat on camera.
12:35It looks like it's all white.
12:37So, you have to contour your nose a little,
12:39your cheek,
12:41and then you tidy it up
12:42just like I used on you just now,
12:43the clear one.
12:45So, there's no color.
12:46So, you can see it's natural
12:47for us to make the man look tidy.
12:50And then the face looks like...
12:52Usually, people say that
12:53when a woman gets married,
12:54she's the only one who's ready.
12:55There's a saying that a man can't be pitiful.
12:57The man is not ready yet.
12:58The woman is still wearing a gown.
12:59Yes, that's right.
13:00So, men's grooming is to make you look tidier.
13:03And then what you have,
13:04the old acne scars,
13:05it's covered.
13:06You look handsome.
13:07A little bit, right?
13:08So, the choice and the way to put on makeup
13:12is in front of the camera too.
13:13He has his own art.
13:15It's not just about putting it on.
13:17Because I used to,
13:19in 2019, 2020,
13:20when the times were going up,
13:21there were a lot of makeup artists on YouTube.
13:24I followed them too.
13:25I watched them.
13:26Mak Saleh, Mak Saleh.
13:27So, I got to know a little bit.
13:28And then they do like...
13:29What's the T?
13:30Like you mentioned, what do they do?
13:31T-Zone.
13:32That's T-Zone.
13:33T-Zone.
13:34Highlight.
13:35They call it.
13:36Highlight the features.
13:37So, T-Zone,
13:38what do people usually do
13:40to make the face look...
13:42Highlight.
13:43Highlight contour.
13:44Which one? The shiny one?
13:45No, the face looks different.
13:47Before makeup, it's like this.
13:49And then after makeup, it looks like this.
13:51Contour.
13:52Bronzer.
13:53Contouring.
13:54To make the face look like it has a shape.
13:56So that the cheeks can be seen.
13:58You do contouring as well?
13:59Yeah, of course.
14:00Do clients usually ask for contour?
14:02What do clients usually say?
14:04Give me a thin cheek.
14:05That's what clients usually say.
14:07Thin cheek is the keyword for contouring.
14:09To make it slim.
14:10So that the face looks like it has a shape.
14:13Okay.
14:14For the items,
14:15we have a lot here.
14:16The interesting ones,
14:17the brown ones,
14:18there's a chocolate one,
14:19there's a purple one,
14:20there's a lot of colors.
14:21Yeah.
14:22Does each of these brushes
14:24play an important role?
14:26Or do they have their own roles?
14:28Yes, they have their own roles.
14:29Oh.
14:30For the brush foundation,
14:32you can't use it for eyeshadows.
14:34Brush foundation.
14:35Okay, I'll show you.
14:36Okay.
14:37This is brush foundation.
14:39As you can see, it's very flat.
14:40For you to blend.
14:42For you...
14:43What?
14:44For the foundation,
14:45it's flat.
14:46And then this one is brush eyeshadow.
14:48Small.
14:49It's soft, right?
14:50It's soft.
14:51This one is eyeshadow for the eyes.
14:53So it's different.
14:54Each brush has a different function.
14:57So for people who use
14:59one brush for everything,
15:01how do you do it?
15:02You can't.
15:03But actually,
15:04there are brushes
15:05that you can use
15:06for...
15:07What do you call it?
15:08Multi-purpose.
15:09Like half a brush.
15:11I'll show you.
15:12There's a brush.
15:13There's a brush that I use.
15:14This one.
15:15You can use it for cream blush.
15:16Okay, it's only for cream products.
15:18Wet products.
15:19Cream products.
15:20Powder and cream
15:21are two different things.
15:22So this is a brush for cream.
15:24When it comes to cream,
15:25you can use it for cream blush,
15:27foundation,
15:28concealer under the eyes.
15:30But the thing is
15:32if you have one brush
15:33and you want to use it
15:34for one face, you can.
15:35But you need the skill.
15:36Not everyone has that skill.
15:38How do you control the brush?
15:40How do you control
15:41the hand you use?
15:42That's very important.
15:43Wow.
15:44It's like
15:45each brush
15:46has a role
15:47for each person to use.
15:48And also,
15:49we can see
15:50what is this?
15:51Oh, this is
15:52the spoolie.
15:53Oh.
15:54It's for curling.
15:55Curling.
15:56Interesting.
15:57And also
15:58if you look here,
15:59there are many brands.
16:00We have this brand,
16:01that brand.
16:02So,
16:03as a makeup artist,
16:04do you have
16:05one particular brand
16:06that you stick to?
16:07This one brand
16:08or you
16:09free to explore
16:10any other brands as well?
16:11I am free
16:12to explore
16:13any other brand
16:14but I am the loyal type.
16:15Ah.
16:17I have tried
16:18a lot of brands
16:19but
16:20I haven't found
16:21one brand
16:22that can beat
16:23this one brand
16:24that I have been using
16:25since I started
16:26this career.
16:27Let's say
16:28for these items,
16:29for each brand,
16:30do they have
16:31different tones
16:32or are they the same?
16:33If it's blue, it's also blue.
16:34How is it?
16:35Actually,
16:36in terms of
16:37formulation,
16:38in terms of
16:39ingredients,
16:40they are different.
16:41But for me,
16:42I am
16:43the type
16:44if I like one item,
16:45I will stick to
16:46that product.
16:47I won't change it.
16:48If the product
16:49is discontinued,
16:50I will
16:51look for it
16:52again.
16:53I see.
16:54So,
16:55do you do
16:56classes
16:57for people
16:58to learn makeup?
16:59For classes,
17:00if you want to know,
17:01this is
17:02for
17:03your information.
17:04I once
17:05took a class
17:06on iPhone 5.
17:07I taught
17:0810 people.
17:09At that time,
17:10on iPhone 5,
17:11I taught makeup.
17:12From school,
17:13you taught makeup
17:14and did makeup
17:15classes.
17:16Back then,
17:17yes,
17:18I did makeup classes.
17:19But,
17:20when I was in school,
17:21I was very active.
17:22Actually,
17:23I was very active
17:24during school.
17:25I started when
17:26I was in iPhone 4.
17:27Then,
17:28when I was in iPhone 5,
17:29I did makeup classes
17:30on Saturdays
17:31and Sundays.
17:32Usually,
17:33I would do
17:34makeup classes
17:35during the fasting month.
17:36Because people
17:37want to celebrate Eid,
17:38they want to learn makeup
17:39for Eid.
17:40So,
17:41during the fasting month,
17:42I didn't have a job.
17:43I didn't get married.
17:44When I was in school,
17:45I was very active.
17:46But,
17:47I stopped for a while
17:48because I wanted to study.
17:49Then,
17:50I worked from 9 to 5.
17:51So,
17:52I didn't have time
17:53to focus on my career.
17:54Then,
17:55I decided to stop
17:56from 9 to 5.
17:57This is me now.
17:58I focus on
17:59full-time
18:00professional makeup.
18:01Now,
18:02I didn't do makeup classes
18:03because I think
18:04I wasn't confident.
18:05I think
18:06I needed
18:07more knowledge.
18:08I needed to
18:09explore
18:10and learn
18:11more
18:12to teach
18:13to other people.
18:15Since you were in school,
18:16you did makeup for people.
18:17You opened
18:18a makeup class.
18:19So,
18:20how do you balance
18:21studying
18:22and doing makeup
18:23as a makeup artist?
18:25So,
18:26how was it back then?
18:28I was
18:29I was not really
18:33a smart kid.
18:34I studied too.
18:36But,
18:37Alhamdulillah,
18:38I passed SPL.
18:39I got into university.
18:40The way I balance is
18:41I don't know
18:42makeup is
18:43only for that time.
18:44You practice
18:45on the weekend.
18:46That's how I balance.
18:47If it's a weekday,
18:48I go to school.
18:49I do homework.
18:51I study as usual.
18:52Just on the weekend,
18:53I don't do anything.
18:54I feel like I've settled my homework.
18:55I go
18:56to play makeup
18:57with my sister.
18:58I do makeup class.
18:59That's how I balance.
19:00Wow.
19:01She's a business girl.
19:03Yeah.
19:04Sis girl.
19:05Okay.
19:06So,
19:07if there's a client
19:09who wants to use your service,
19:11okay,
19:12how is it?
19:13If the client
19:14comes,
19:15will he say
19:16the look
19:17that he wants
19:18or do you have
19:19a catalog
19:20that you can see
19:21here
19:22or any look
19:23that you want.
19:24You just let me know
19:25and I'll do it for you.
19:26How is the process
19:27usually like this?
19:28Actually,
19:29this is
19:30I don't think
19:32general people know.
19:34People who don't know.
19:36Clients
19:37who hire you,
19:39they want the look
19:40that you always do.
19:41Oh.
19:42Yeah.
19:43That is
19:44so far,
19:45my clients are very grateful.
19:46My clients are very understanding.
19:47My clients come to me,
19:49yeah, you just do whatever you want.
19:50Because I think
19:51they hire me
19:52because they trust my work.
19:54Sometimes they just say,
19:55okay, I want natural.
19:56I want simple.
19:57Sometimes they refer back
19:58to my old works
19:59and say,
20:00I want something like this.
20:01So, it's easy for me.
20:02But sometimes
20:03there are also clients
20:04who give other people's work.
20:06I don't mind actually.
20:07I don't mind.
20:08So, I try my best
20:09to do what they ask for.
20:11And,
20:12but I will say,
20:13I will tell them,
20:15this is other people's work.
20:17They won't get the same
20:18as what
20:19other people's work is.
20:21Like what you showed.
20:22My hands are different.
20:24True.
20:25My hands are different.
20:26True.
20:27So, my clients understand
20:28and Alhamdulillah.
20:29Wow.
20:30Usually, they just say,
20:31okay, I want something natural.
20:33I want something
20:34that will show
20:35my old works.
20:36That's it.
20:37So, what about
20:38something natural?
20:39Some people say
20:40something natural
20:41is natural.
20:42Some people say
20:43you look natural
20:44when you wear
20:45thick makeup.
20:46You look red.
20:47You look natural.
20:49So,
20:50to you,
20:51what is considered
20:52natural in makeup?
20:53Okay, for me,
20:54what's considered
20:55natural in makeup is
20:56your skin
20:57looks like skin.
20:58It doesn't look like
20:59you have makeup on.
21:00That is natural for me.
21:01I see.
21:02And also,
21:03it doesn't change
21:04your appearance
21:06and appearance,
21:07of course, you have to change
21:08because makeup is a function.
21:09It doesn't change
21:10your original face,
21:11original look.
21:12You still look like you
21:14but enhance you.
21:16So, makeup is
21:17to enhance
21:18our face.
21:19It's not for you to
21:20change your look
21:21100 percent.
21:22It's just to
21:23enhance your look
21:24to make you look
21:25more beautiful,
21:26to look more,
21:27how to say,
21:28to look more prepared.
21:29Beautiful.
21:30Beautiful.
21:31So,
21:32if you wear makeup
21:33at home,
21:34do you agree
21:35to wear makeup
21:36at home as well?
21:37For example,
21:38if you're with your husband,
21:39you have to talk
21:40about your family.
21:41Yes, yes, yes.
21:42So,
21:43people say
21:44at home,
21:45prepare,
21:46wear makeup,
21:47what is your opinion
21:48on that matter?
21:49I don't mind.
21:50It's up to you.
21:51You do you.
21:52If you ask me,
21:53I don't dare to wear
21:54makeup at home.
21:55At home,
21:56it's for me
21:57to rest my skin.
21:58So, if you want to
21:59wear makeup at home,
22:00it's up to you
22:01because half of the people
22:02like to wear makeup
22:03at home.
22:04So, you do you, girl.
22:05Makeup is
22:06for everything,
22:07for anything,
22:08anyone,
22:09anywhere you want.
22:10So, just do
22:11what you want,
22:12do what you love.
22:13I see.
22:14Okay.
22:15Normally,
22:16if you want to
22:17study about
22:18makeup,
22:19there are many things.
22:20Okay.
22:21You've been
22:22doing business
22:23for a long time.
22:24Okay.
22:25What is this?
22:26I want to change the mood.
22:27Let's set the mood
22:28more serious.
22:29What are the challenges
22:30that you face
22:31as a professional
22:32makeup artist
22:33as long as
22:34you do your work?
22:35Okay.
22:36First of all,
22:37my challenge is
22:39people don't see
22:40my work as
22:41a professional work.
22:44They think that
22:45I work from home.
22:46I don't have
22:47any office.
22:48I don't have any boss.
22:49I don't have colleagues.
22:50So, people see
22:51this work as something
22:52that is not professional.
22:54So, sometimes,
22:55not for me,
22:56my family is very supportive.
22:58But there are also
22:59my makeup artist friends
23:00who are prejudiced.
23:02They say,
23:03why do you work
23:04as a makeup artist?
23:05You should study hard.
23:06Why do you work
23:07as a maid?
23:08Maid is another
23:09old name.
23:10Older people
23:11used to call it maid.
23:12Why do you work
23:13as a maid?
23:14You don't have a salary.
23:15You don't have a future.
23:16So, that is one
23:17of the challenges.
23:20It's a challenge
23:21from the public.
23:23And also,
23:24another one is
23:26challenge.
23:28Okay, sometimes,
23:29I don't have time
23:30with my family.
23:31Because people
23:32have a wedding
23:33on weekends.
23:34My family
23:35have a holiday
23:36on weekends.
23:37So, sometimes,
23:38I have a family occasion.
23:39I can't join
23:40because I have work.
23:41So, one of the challenges.
23:44What else?
23:47In terms of time,
23:48I also change my time.
23:50Sometimes,
23:51we makeup people.
23:52Because makeup
23:53is a time-consuming process.
23:54It's not only
23:5530 minutes.
23:56But there are
23:57makeup artists
23:58who can do 30 minutes
23:59of makeup.
24:00I have a job
24:02that I do
24:03minimum 2 hours.
24:042 hours?
24:05For me to complete the makeup.
24:06But sometimes,
24:07I took up to 3 hours
24:08for more details.
24:09Because I'm
24:10a very detailed person.
24:11I need time.
24:12I need space
24:13and time
24:14that is very long
24:15for me
24:16to make
24:17the work
24:18more beautiful.
24:19If you give me
24:20a little time,
24:21my work
24:22is not that beautiful.
24:23I'm not satisfied.
24:24It's beautiful for people
24:25but for me,
24:26I'm not satisfied.
24:27So,
24:28in terms of time,
24:29for example,
24:30if someone
24:31has a client
24:32at 8 o'clock,
24:33he has to do
24:34a convo.
24:35He has to do a convo
24:36at 6 o'clock.
24:37So,
24:38I have to wake up
24:39at 2 or 3 in the morning.
24:40So,
24:41the makeup artist
24:42is the first person
24:43to do the makeup
24:44for the client
24:45in the morning.
24:46So far,
24:47how long
24:48is the longest
24:49makeup
24:50for the client?
24:51Usually,
24:52it's 3 hours.
24:533 hours?
24:54If you give me 3 hours,
24:55I can do magic.
24:56I see.
24:57If you give me
24:581 hour,
24:59I can do something
25:00very simple
25:01that I'm not satisfied with.
25:02But,
25:03my client
25:04said it's okay.
25:05But,
25:06it's our work.
25:07So,
25:08we know
25:09what's beautiful
25:10and what's not beautiful
25:11in our eyes.
25:12So,
25:13in terms of
25:14choosing
25:15makeup items,
25:16how long
25:17do you usually
25:18shop for makeup?
25:19Like,
25:20items?
25:21Okay.
25:22The way I shop for makeup
25:23is simple.
25:24I go to the makeup class,
25:25I see what
25:26the makeup artist
25:27recommends.
25:28If it's good,
25:29I'll buy more.
25:30I'll repeat.
25:31If it's not good,
25:32I'll look for something else.
25:33Usually,
25:34I'll check on
25:35the makeup artist's
25:36recommendation.
25:38I won't buy
25:39a new product
25:40just because
25:41there's a new product.
25:42I won't buy it.
25:43Because,
25:44it's a waste.
25:45We want to use it
25:46on people's faces.
25:47If it's not long-lasting,
25:48it's not good,
25:49we'll buy it.
25:50We'll invest on that.
25:51So,
25:52that's why I go to the makeup class
25:53to know what products are good
25:54and what products
25:55really
25:56work on clients,
25:57on faces,
25:58on real people.
25:59Because,
26:00we make up
26:01clients,
26:02not models
26:03with perfect skin.
26:04We make up real people.
26:05So,
26:06you need a product
26:07that really
26:08works on them,
26:09works on normal skin.
26:10So,
26:11you look on the items,
26:12you see what brand
26:13they use,
26:14and then you follow.
26:15So,
26:16if there are clients,
26:17sometimes,
26:18we don't want to
26:19say,
26:20fussy clients,
26:21want this,
26:22want that.
26:23People say,
26:24in their language,
26:25if a customer says,
26:26I don't want you
26:27to wear this,
26:28I want this brand only.
26:29So,
26:30has that ever happened?
26:31Yes,
26:32it has happened.
26:33But,
26:34I once got a client,
26:36I just used his product,
26:38usually foundation.
26:40People will be fussy
26:41about foundation.
26:42I have my own foundation,
26:43can you use my foundation?
26:44Sure,
26:45I can use it.
26:46But,
26:47I always say,
26:48but I cannot
26:49promise you,
26:50it will look the same
26:52as my
26:53other works.
26:54Because we use
26:55a product that
26:56we are not familiar with.
26:57So,
26:58a product that
26:59we are familiar with,
27:00so far,
27:01if it's okay,
27:02it's okay.
27:03So,
27:04I will say,
27:05sure,
27:06no problem,
27:07I can use it.
27:08But,
27:09if you ask me
27:10to use brushes,
27:11I won't.
27:12Because I have
27:13my own things
27:14that I am familiar with.
27:15You give me
27:16something that
27:17I am not familiar with,
27:18no,
27:19I cannot do that.
27:20But,
27:21foundations,
27:22yes,
27:23make-up,
27:24and everything,
27:25then,
27:26her make-up is like,
27:27she is not pretty,
27:28she feels,
27:29she is not satisfied.
27:30Then,
27:31she is viral on
27:32TikTok,
27:33saying this,
27:34saying that.
27:35If in
27:36cases like this,
27:37what do you think?
27:38Sometimes,
27:39is it a client's
27:40issue?
27:41Or sometimes,
27:42Mua herself
27:43didn't notice?
27:44Because we also
27:45want an explanation,
27:46people now
27:47record anything,
27:48everything is
27:49going viral.
27:50You don't talk to Mua,
27:51what do you want?
27:52No,
27:53I suddenly get angry.
27:54You already know.
27:57So,
27:58in cases like this,
27:59what do you think?
28:00Do you have experience?
28:02For me,
28:03be professional.
28:04As Mua,
28:05we have to be professional.
28:06What the client
28:07gives feedback,
28:08just accept it.
28:09Apologize
28:10if there is something
28:11that the client
28:12is not satisfied,
28:13what happened,
28:14just apologize.
28:15Admit your mistake.
28:16Don't argue
28:17with the client.
28:18People give us
28:19sustenance.
28:20So,
28:21don't argue with
28:22our client.
28:23Whether our client
28:24wants to make it viral
28:25or not,
28:26just let it be.
28:27That's their right.
28:28So,
28:29for me,
28:30as a client,
28:31I won't make it viral.
28:32Because it's not good
28:33to cover up
28:34people's problems.
28:35But,
28:36actually,
28:37it is not good
28:38to cause drama.
28:39So,
28:40you settle
28:41one by one.
28:42You don't need
28:43to make it viral,
28:44you don't need
28:45to tell the whole
28:46world about
28:47the problem
28:48you are facing.
28:49That's why
28:50our work
28:51is tiring.
28:52We have been working
28:53for 3 hours
28:54and suddenly
28:55it's different.
28:56Sometimes,
28:57like me,
28:58my work is
28:59after
29:00I make up
29:01my client,
29:02I will ask
29:03direct feedback.
29:04So,
29:05they don't have
29:06any 24 hours extra.
29:07Usually,
29:0824 hours after
29:09makeup,
29:10because
29:11they don't have
29:1224 hours,
29:13for example,
29:14their wedding
29:15in the afternoon,
29:16I already messaged
29:17and asked.
29:18So,
29:19they didn't
29:20have time to
29:21make it viral.
29:22That's my way.
29:23So far,
29:24no one has
29:25made it viral.
29:26Alhamdulillah.
29:27Like I said,
29:28Alhamdulillah,
29:29my clients are
29:30all good.
29:31Alhamdulillah.
29:32Throughout
29:33your makeup,
29:34events,
29:35wedding,
29:36everything,
29:37what is
29:38the most
29:39memorable
29:40moment
29:41until now?
29:42Maybe when
29:43you make up
29:44this one client
29:45or maybe
29:46that event?
29:47What is
29:48so far
29:49in your career
29:50that is memorable?
29:53The most memorable
29:54for me
29:55in my career?
29:57Maybe one.
29:58Actually,
29:59when I got
30:00my first job
30:02to do photoshoot
30:03makeup,
30:04because
30:05it was my dream.
30:06Okay,
30:07I am a makeup artist
30:08who is not
30:09from KL.
30:10So,
30:11it is very hard
30:12for me to log
30:13makeup photoshoot
30:14for big brands.
30:15Then one day,
30:16I got
30:17one brand.
30:18It is a
30:19well-known brand,
30:20clothing brand.
30:21Umbi,
30:22if you ever
30:23heard of them.
30:24Yeah,
30:25they are one of
30:26brands that
30:27trust me.
30:28So,
30:29I was very
30:30touched.
30:31I was like,
30:32is it true?
30:33I said,
30:34really,
30:35thank you so much
30:36for having me.
30:37So,
30:38that moment
30:39is like
30:40one of
30:41something that
30:42is very memorable
30:43for me.
30:44I still hold it
30:45until now.
30:46It was fun
30:47working with them
30:48and that was my
30:49first time doing
30:50photoshoot.
30:51So,
30:52I was happy
30:53because I really
30:54wanted to do
30:55photoshoot
30:56makeup.
30:57And then,
30:58I got makeup
30:59on models.
31:00Because usually,
31:01my clients
31:02are all real people.
31:03I also wanted
31:04to do makeup
31:05on models.
31:06So,
31:07I got it.
31:08That was a
31:09very happy moment
31:10for me.
31:11I'm interested
31:12because I
31:13saw it on TV.
31:14Makeup
31:15models
31:16are already there.
31:17We just touch up
31:18a little bit.
31:19But usually,
31:20how's the process?
31:21There are a lot of
31:22them.
31:23Actually,
31:24not really.
31:25They are not
31:26flawless actually.
31:27That was my
31:28misperception
31:29towards them
31:30before I make up
31:31models.
31:32But actually,
31:33not all of them
31:34are flawless.
31:35Because if we
31:36think back,
31:37they still
31:38shoot everyday.
31:39Makeup
31:40of others
31:41is prone
31:42to break out.
31:43So,
31:44flawless skin
31:45is a blessing.
31:46Just like
31:47clients.
31:48Some clients
31:49have flawless skin.
31:50It's a blessing
31:51if you get
31:52a client like that.
31:53It's easy to
31:54make it easier.
31:55But,
31:56yeah.
31:57Models
31:58have great
31:59makeup.
32:00Because I always
32:01think that
32:02models don't
32:03need to work hard.
32:04Yes,
32:05that's right.
32:06Their faces
32:07are ready.
32:08Even a little bit
32:09is beautiful.
32:10Usually,
32:11when I do
32:12a photoshoot,
32:13what do I do?
32:14Usually,
32:15I do it
32:16with 8 people.
32:17Makeup
32:18kids as well.
32:19I do makeup
32:20kids for
32:21men and kids.
32:22Wow.
32:23You see?
32:24This model
32:25is under
32:26one hour
32:27with you.
32:28Also,
32:29we
32:30didn't
32:31know
32:32that you
32:33did makeup
32:34with
32:35Baba Rabia.
32:36I didn't do
32:37makeup.
32:38I went to
32:39his class.
32:40Baba Rabia's class.
32:41So,
32:42how was the
32:43experience?
32:44Okay.
32:46The experience was
32:47okay.
32:48The reason why I went
32:49is because
32:50I think
32:51it is a good
32:52step for me
32:53to expand
32:54my career
32:55as a makeup artist.
32:56Because Baba Rabia
32:57is very well-known
32:58in Malaysia.
32:59He is very famous
33:00in Malaysia.
33:01He did makeup
33:02for Tuku Utun Ami
33:03and Jananik.
33:04So,
33:05his base
33:06in Malaysia
33:07is very big.
33:08So,
33:09I know
33:10if I
33:11can expand
33:12my career.
33:13And also,
33:14I went with him
33:15because I was
33:16very interested
33:17in his makeup.
33:18Because my taste
33:19is Thailand's makeup.
33:20Some makeup
33:21doesn't look like
33:22makeup.
33:23That's why
33:24I told you
33:25makeup that
33:26looks like skin.
33:27That is Thai
33:28expertise.
33:29That is Baba Rabia's
33:30expertise.
33:31And I got to
33:32learn that.
33:33I told you
33:34it is very
33:35worth it.
33:36He is
33:37a very
33:38friendly person.
33:39He has
33:40very welcoming.
33:41You can imagine
33:42I came alone.
33:43So, they are very
33:44welcoming.
33:45For me,
33:46it is the best.
33:47So, for Thailand's
33:48makeup,
33:49you said
33:50it is more
33:51natural-looking.
33:52Yes, that's right.
33:53So,
33:54I noticed
33:55Korean style
33:56is also
33:57natural-looking.
33:58Yes.
33:59Are there any
34:00differences
34:01between the two?
34:02Okay,
34:03in Thailand,
34:04their focus
34:05is more to skin.
34:06They like skin
34:07that looks like
34:08glass skin.
34:09If you look at
34:10their makeup,
34:11it is different
34:12in terms of
34:13eye shape.
34:14In Korea,
34:15they like
34:16straight brows
34:17and eyebrows
34:18that are
34:19colorful
34:20like blonde
34:21and light brown.
34:22In Thailand,
34:23they like
34:24very bold
34:25eyebrows.
34:26But it is not
34:27that bold.
34:28They like eyebrows
34:29that look like
34:30one feather.
34:31In other words,
34:32feathery brows.
34:33Feathery brows.
34:34If it is
34:35eyelashes,
34:36they want it
34:37very much.
34:38If it is Korean,
34:39they like it
34:40very natural.
34:41That's the difference.
34:43In terms of
34:44makeup and
34:45lipstick in particular,
34:46have you ever
34:47had a client
34:48who said
34:49he wanted to do
34:50Kylie Jenner's
34:51pouty lips?
34:52Yes, I have.
34:53Overlined lips.
34:54Actually,
34:55I want to tell you
34:56about my experience
34:57in 2014
34:58with Kylie Jenner's
34:59lips.
35:00You know,
35:01back then,
35:02I took a bowl
35:03and put it like this.
35:04Oh my god.
35:05It happened.
35:06It happened.
35:07Oh my god.
35:08It was already
35:09like this.
35:10Wasn't it blue?
35:11I didn't feel
35:12like it was bold.
35:13But it was
35:14like it was going to happen.
35:15Then,
35:16apparently,
35:17Kylie did
35:18overlining.
35:19So,
35:20what is the technique
35:21of overlining?
35:22The technique of overlining
35:23is actually
35:24you just
35:25take a lip liner
35:26and draw a little
35:27extra
35:28from the original
35:29lip shape.
35:30Then,
35:31put on lipstick.
35:32It looks like
35:33a big lip.
35:34We used to
35:35suck the cup
35:36like that.
35:37Oh my god.
35:38Those days.
35:39Those days.
35:40Back then,
35:41we used to
35:42just follow
35:43what's on the internet.
35:44Also,
35:45can we
35:46do a little
35:47simple makeup?
35:48Like you said,
35:49makeup
35:50takes time.
35:512 hours?
35:523 hours?
35:53If it's the
35:54fastest,
35:55how long
35:56can you do
35:57makeup?
35:582 minutes?
35:595 minutes?
36:002 minutes
36:01to blend
36:02foundation.
36:03Just to blend
36:04foundation?
36:05I'll try.
36:06I can let you try.
36:07Let's do a tutorial.
36:10So, this is
36:12Okay.
36:13I'll tell you.
36:14Concealer.
36:15I can let you try a little.
36:16Okay.
36:17Take this.
36:18Alright.
36:19Your coat is...
36:21I think you can try ginger first.
36:23Okay.
36:24It's already run out.
36:25It's already run out.
36:27Like you said earlier,
36:28for each skin,
36:29we have to look
36:30at the coat below.
36:31I'll try putting it on.
36:32Look up.
36:35Your coat is here.
36:37Here.
36:38Alright.
36:40Let's do the sides first.
36:42Let's do the sides.
36:43Do you want to?
36:44Sure.
36:45We'll just put it on.
36:48Look up.
36:50Wow.
36:53So, this is to
36:54cover the concealer?
36:55Yes.
36:56For your dark circles.
36:59So, your eyes
37:00won't look tired.
37:01Yes.
37:02That's right.
37:06After this,
37:07it'll look different.
37:08After this,
37:09transform.
37:14Wait.
37:17This is live, right?
37:19It's live.
37:20This is the last minute.
37:21I'm asking you.
37:22I'm asking you.
37:23I want to see
37:24how professional you are.
37:25Is this okay?
37:29I can't see.
37:30Okay.
37:31Just to let you know.
37:32Is it dark circles?
37:33No.
37:34It's not dark circles.
37:35It's my heart.
37:37If I'm wearing makeup,
37:38I need lighting.
37:39Lighting.
37:40Like the sun.
37:41Wow.
37:42Your face looks like that.
37:43I can see the dark circles.
37:44But,
37:45your dark circles are not that much.
37:47That's a secret.
37:48Just enough to sleep.
37:49Just enough to sleep.
37:50Ah.
37:52Okay.
37:53Now,
37:54what about the sides?
37:55No, let's do the sides.
37:56Just the sides.
37:57Do you want to do the sides?
37:58It's okay.
37:59You can do it.
38:00Come on.
38:01Let's just do it.
38:02Look up.
38:05Look.
38:06She doesn't know how to be shy.
38:07What?
38:08She doesn't know how to ask.
38:09She doesn't ask for payment.
38:10She just asks for makeup.
38:12She doesn't know how to be shy.
38:14She doesn't know why.
38:18Wow.
38:20Is my touch soft?
38:22That's right.
38:23It's feathery.
38:24Feathery.
38:25Feathery.
38:26Let's go to school.
38:27Yes.
38:28You can study
38:29in the morning.
38:30If you want to go to work,
38:31your eyes will feel
38:32a little dark.
38:33Look up.
38:34But makeup
38:35is not only for women.
38:36Men can also do makeup.
38:37There's no problem.
38:38There are a lot of men
38:39who do makeup now.
38:40Actually, she has bought
38:41the black one
38:42because it has pigmentation.
38:43So, if you want to cover it,
38:44buy a concealer.
38:45Then, use the egg one.
38:46What is it?
38:47What?
38:48Beauty Blender.
38:49Yes, Beauty Blender.
38:50We use the egg one.
38:51Yes.
38:52Oh.
38:53Wow.
38:54Put it near your eyes like this.
38:56Oh.
39:00Oh my god.
39:04Okay.
39:05Eh.
39:06We're done with the makeup.
39:07Wow.
39:08Okay.
39:09So, you can't see
39:10the eye bags.
39:11Yes.
39:12For example,
39:13before you put it on,
39:16your eyes will feel a little tired
39:18because there's a dark circle.
39:19If you put it on,
39:20you can conceal the dark circle.
39:22Your eyes will look fresh.
39:23Your face will look fresh.
39:24You won't look like
39:25you didn't sleep well.
39:26You didn't sleep well.
39:28So, what is that?
39:29This is for your eyebrows.
39:30I made it for you.
39:31Come.
39:32This is for your face.
39:33A little bit.
39:34Here.
39:35A little bit.
39:36Here.
39:37Oh, here.
39:38Okay.
39:41So, we already put two.
39:42So, this one
39:43will be added.
39:44I'll shake it a little bit.
39:48Okay.
39:49Put it there.
39:51Don't lift it up.
39:52Don't lift it up.
39:53Relax.
39:55Diva, don't smile.
39:57Hmm.
39:58Hmm.
39:59I'm doing makeup at night.
40:01It's okay.
40:02We do it differently.
40:03Hmm.
40:04I've never done it before.
40:10Look at my face.
40:11Ooh.
40:12This is not natural.
40:14Usually, for men's grooming,
40:15I do it like this.
40:16It's easy, right?
40:17Yes.
40:18Just basic things.
40:19For men's grooming,
40:20it's quick.
40:21I can do it in 30 minutes.
40:2230 minutes.
40:23So, all of these,
40:24if we're interested,
40:25we can learn it ourselves.
40:26Yes.
40:27You can learn it yourself.
40:28Do you want to contour?
40:29Do you want to contour?
40:30Contour more.
40:31It's okay.
40:32It's an offer.
40:33I've given it to you.
40:34I've given it to you.
40:35Hold the brush.
40:36You can't stop it.
40:38Okay.
40:41Contour.
40:42A little bit.
40:43Okay.
40:44I don't know if you can see it.
40:45I can't see it.
40:46Because the light in the back
40:47is red.
40:48Yes.
40:49The light in the shadow.
40:50It's like a ghost.
40:51Hmm.
40:52Hmm.
40:53Hmm.
40:55Hold on.
40:59I'm going out.
41:00There's no one else in the studio.
41:01Yes.
41:02There's no one else.
41:03I'm going to draw.
41:07Like that.
41:09It's nice.
41:10When you're done with your face,
41:11right?
41:12Yes.
41:13If I get a client,
41:14if I'm doing my makeup,
41:15they'll definitely say
41:16that they want to sleep.
41:17Right?
41:18Because it's a bit smudged.
41:19Can you imagine
41:20if someone actually got smudged
41:21when wearing makeup?
41:22Yes.
41:23It's delicious
41:24like that.
41:25Applying.
41:27You have to apply it.
41:28Not imagine it.
41:29Apply it.
41:30Like that.
41:35Can you see the contour?
41:36You can see it, right?
41:37A little bit.
41:38He told me to hold the brush.
41:39It's done.
41:40It'll be a one hour podcast.
41:41It'll be a one hour podcast.
41:42Yes.
41:43Like this.
41:44Let's see.
41:45Oh.
41:46Later I'll put lip balm.
41:47You put it yourself.
41:48Here.
41:49Oh.
41:50How?
41:51Oh, how to apply it on the lips?
41:53Here, put it on yourself.
41:55Oh, I'm sorry.
41:57I didn't get it.
41:59Okay, okay.
42:01Okay, like this?
42:03Yes, just put it on.
42:05To make the lips moist.
42:07Oh.
42:11Yes.
42:13So usually, for men's grooming,
42:15I only do this. There's usually a foundation.
42:17But I don't have a foundation for you.
42:19Oh, a foundation for you.
42:21Oh, a foundation for you.
42:25Yes.
42:27We got to interview
42:29our make-up artist.
42:31And we also got to do make-up.
42:33When I got this opportunity,
42:35I just turned it on, right?
42:37Oh, God.
42:39Okay, before we finish
42:41our podcast,
42:43I want to ask.
42:45What, maybe anything
42:47you want to say to aspiring
42:49make-up artists out there
42:51who have the same interest as you,
42:53right? Who are just starting
42:55or just starting in this field.
42:57What do you want to say to them?
42:59Okay, for those who want to do make-up
43:01as your career, just go for it.
43:03You start now.
43:05Don't wait
43:07another 10 years to start.
43:09Even if you're a school kid,
43:11if you have an interest in make-up,
43:13just do it. You can start
43:15with your family first.
43:17You can start with your friends.
43:19If you're interested in make-up, just go for it. Don't stop.
43:21Go and learn make-up.
43:23Go to class. Invest.
43:25Go to class. And then you will see
43:27that make-up can actually make money.
43:29If you have a passion, go for it.
43:31If you have a passion, you learn skills,
43:33you can definitely make money
43:35with make-up. So, don't be afraid.
43:37Don't be nervous.
43:39Don't think that
43:41make-up can't make you as a career.
43:43It can. So, be confident
43:45and believe in yourself.
43:47Be confident and believe in yourself.
43:49Alright. Thank you so much,
43:51Isty, for coming to our
43:53studio for our podcast,
43:55Duit Tepi. Hope you guys learn a lot.
43:57I also got a lot of knowledge.
43:59I got make-up.
44:01From Isty,
44:03thank you so much for coming.
44:05Thank you so much to our listeners.
44:07See you again in the next episode.
44:09Bye.
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