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- Kashif Abbasi
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- Muhammad Malick (Senior Analyst)
- Faisal Chaudhry (PTI Lawyer)
- Mohammad Zubair (Former Governor Sindh)
Mohammad Malick Breaks Shocking News Regarding 26th Nov Incident
Maryam Nawaz Ka Heran kun Bayan - Hassan Niazi Ko 10 Saal Ki Saza?
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum viewers, you are watching the program with me, Kashif Abbasi.
00:16Today, Imran Khan has decided to continue the negotiations as per the terms of the agreement.
00:23I would like to talk to the party leadership who met Imran Khan in Adyala Jail.
00:29What did they discuss? Faisal Chaudhary was present there.
00:34Imran Khan is also a lawyer. These days, we meet a lot.
00:38We meet a lot, Mr. Chaudhary. Thank you very much for coming to the program.
00:42We will get to know the situation in Adyala from him.
00:45And where is the situation going?
00:47The Negotiating Committee has been formed.
00:49The meetings seem to be out of their control.
00:54Yesterday, Mr. Irfan Siddiqui spoke in a very interesting TV program
00:58when he was asked why the meetings are not taking place.
01:01He spoke about the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
01:03You know that Mr. Mohsin Naqvi is the Minister of Internal Affairs.
01:06Mr. Mohsin Naqvi, you know where he has come from.
01:08What did he say? Let's listen to him first.
01:10The Ministry of Internal Affairs oversees these matters.
01:13We all agreed on this.
01:15If we have agreed on this, then the relevant parties should have done it by now.
01:22The relevant parties should have done it.
01:25Mr. Mohammad Malik is also present with us.
01:27Mr. Mohammad Zubair is also present with us.
01:29Before going there, Mr. Malik, yesterday, Mr. Irfan Siddiqui told the relevant parties
01:34that the meetings should have been held.
01:36And Mr. Mohsin Naqvi, you know that he is meeting the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
01:41Is he saying that the representatives of Mr. Mohsin Naqvi are not meeting him?
01:47Mr. Mohsin Naqvi has become very popular.
01:49Yesterday, I asked Mr. Rana Sinhaullah about his show.
01:52He didn't mention Mr. Mohsin Naqvi.
01:54He said that the speaker has gone out.
01:56I also tried to find out.
01:58I couldn't contact him.
01:59When he comes, he will manage everything.
02:01Mr. Irfan Siddiqui, the interior.
02:03I asked him.
02:05Mr. Aleema Khan has said that Mr. Gandapur had brought an offer for Bani Gala.
02:12Who gave the offer to Mr. Gandapur?
02:15Did you give it?
02:16He said, no, even the Prime Minister didn't give it.
02:18Did everyone give it?
02:19Ask Mr. Mohsin Naqvi.
02:21I said, Mr. Mohsin Naqvi is not like you.
02:24You are the interior minister.
02:26He has already thanked Mr. Mohsin Naqvi.
02:28Thank God, he didn't become the Prime Minister of this country.
02:30He smiled and said, you know, ask him.
02:33I think everyone is saying the right thing.
02:35Mr. Siddiqui is also saying the right thing.
02:38Ask Mr. Mohsin Naqvi.
02:40Because the track 2 is going on.
02:42Mr. Mohsin Naqvi knows about it.
02:45I was talking yesterday as well.
02:48Mr. Sabzada has made a three-point committee.
02:51He didn't say that there was an offer of three years and then two years.
02:53Mr. Sabzada was there.
02:55Barrister Gaur was there.
02:57Mr. Fardos Naqvi was there.
02:59In one meeting, there was an offer of three years and then two years.
03:02This was the first time he came to Gandapur.
03:04He went around 12 lakhs and reached KP.
03:07I think it was at that time when he disappeared.
03:11I would like to take Mr. Zubair in the program.
03:13I would like to ask him what happened today.
03:15Because Mr. Khan is sometimes cold, sometimes hot.
03:18One day the statement is cold.
03:20The next day he gives a statement in the name of the Army Chief.
03:23I would like to know what happened today.
03:26But Mr. Zubair, you just heard Mr. Irfan Siddiqui.
03:30The Ministry of Internal Affairs looks into these matters.
03:33If we have decided to meet, then they should be allowed to meet.
03:40Translation please.
03:42Look, I have been saying since the first day and still maintain that the government team has no power.
03:49There is no negotiating power.
03:51This is a show that we are talking and talking about solving problems.
03:56What Irfan Siddiqui said is the same.
03:58And he also means that we have nothing in our control.
04:01When they do not have the authority to meet,
04:04then how can they accept the demands from the PTI?
04:10They have nothing in their control.
04:12The reality is that the establishment has all the keys, all the keys.
04:16And if they say yes, then yes, even the meeting will be from there.
04:21When we take the name of Mohsin Naqvi,
04:23he is obviously the liaison between the establishment and the government.
04:29No, sir, he is not a liaison. He is a representative from that side.
04:32He has come from there.
04:34He empowers himself on some basis.
04:37When Faisal Wada says that I told you this and this happened,
04:41then obviously Faisal Wada does not know what the judge will decide tomorrow.
04:45When he says that his sisters will be released, for example,
04:49or Bushra will also be released.
05:14I am coming.
05:16Yes, and I agree.
05:47No, I have told them that we have been trying for 2-3 days,
05:50but they are not being allowed to meet.
05:52Who has not been allowed? What have you told them?
05:55The speakers of the Discussion Committee,
05:59I did not know that Arfaan Siddiqui had said this.
06:06I had told them that a serious question has arisen in my view
06:12that how much authority does the Discussion Committee have?
06:15Sir, again, let me come back to this.
06:18As you said, you have put this allegation on the head of the Discussion Committee
06:22that it was their job to meet, they did not do it.
06:24Definitely, sir.
06:25But that means that you must be thinking that
06:27to save their skin, they should not run this government.
06:29They will delay it, they will try,
06:31the discussions will continue, but they will fail
06:34so that the paths do not open up in any way.
06:37But did your view change after listening to Arfaan Siddiqui?
06:40No, my view did not change after listening to Arfaan Siddiqui.
06:43I knew this from the beginning.
06:44The Discussion Committee found out about this in 2-3 days.
06:47Arfaan Siddiqui is one of those who tried a lot to get a meeting.
06:52There was a speaker, Rana sir, they have tried their level best.
06:57Did you keep in touch with them?
06:59No, no, I did not.
07:00You mean the party?
07:01Yes, the party, the people of the Discussion Committee
07:04meet with each other, with the speaker,
07:06they do keep in touch.
07:08I was in touch with them, with the Discussion Committee.
07:13But look at this, yesterday you gave a lot of leeway
07:18in Mr. Khan's personal tweet, the orderly one.
07:21But Kashif, my question is,
07:23Mr. Malik sir is also sitting,
07:25that Shabaz Sharif made the Discussion Committee.
07:29He formed it, he gave a go-ahead for the discussions.
07:33There is an entire group in the Nawaz League
07:36that is undermining their authority.
07:38The one who denigrates the Discussion Committee,
07:41his own Discussion Committee,
07:43and these Qajars who say that this is unacceptable
07:46and should not happen.
07:48So, whose imam is this?
07:50Are there two groups in the Noon League?
07:53I believe there are two groups.
07:55So, if you can see all this,
07:57that there are two groups in the Noon League
07:59and they are not letting you meet,
08:01so were you surprised when Mr. Khan said
08:03that they are not letting you meet?
08:05No, Mr. Khan said that
08:07you are not meeting the Discussion Committee.
08:11But if they come to the next commission,
08:13the Judicial Commission,
08:15or they don't take it seriously,
08:17then we will stop the Discussion Committee
08:19or we will not go ahead with it.
08:21Look, both our demands are very legitimate.
08:24And Mr. Gaur, Gaur Khan came today,
08:26he said to Mr. Khan that we should give written demands.
08:29So, I said to him,
08:31Mr. Khan said that there is no harm in giving written demands.
08:34And he gave two demands.
08:35He gave two demands.
08:36We have two demands.
08:37I gave him this suggestion and he endorsed it.
08:39I said that you should go to the government.
08:41Maybe you also did this yesterday.
08:43Yes, I sat here and said,
08:44the government was sitting next to me.
08:46I said that you should also write and give.
08:48But the first question was that…
08:49Two wise men think alike.
08:51So, what you said,
08:52I said to Mr. Khan that
08:54both of you are freaks.
08:56Because, sir, my…
08:58Yes, both of you are freaks.
08:59You write your demands.
09:00You write your demands.
09:01And if there is no demand from the government,
09:03then the government will give written demands
09:04that we don't have any demand.
09:05We don't have any demand.
09:06The reason for that is that
09:07tomorrow you bring another demand.
09:08Tomorrow you drag this.
09:10Drag is our…
09:11We understand that this is being dragged.
09:13The reason for that is that
09:14our statements on 26th November
09:17and our missing persons on 9th May,
09:20we are trying to dilute this.
09:23By making it long.
09:24You see, the question I asked you earlier,
09:27that if the committee cannot meet,
09:29then what is the point of talking to them?
09:31It is obvious, isn't it, sir?
09:33That if your objections are not even this much,
09:35and this is wrong…
09:36But both of you are in two boats at this time.
09:38On one hand, you say that they have no authority.
09:40And then you want to negotiate with the same committee
09:43which has no authority.
09:45So, then how do you do it?
09:47Earlier, Mr. Imran Khan used to say that
09:49you don't have to do it.
09:50You used to say that you don't talk to the
09:52democratic parties and political parties.
09:55I asked him the same question.
10:00He said, we are negotiating with them.
10:03It is their wish to go and ask anyone.
10:07But we are negotiating with them.
10:10But we know that they will go there and ask.
10:14So, I asked, are you negotiating directly with them
10:18or are you negotiating directly with the establishment?
10:20He said, it is their job to ask and
10:22get their consent.
10:24But we will do it.
10:26So, they are negotiating directly with the establishment.
10:29But Mr. Malik, tell me, Mr. Zubair is also sitting here.
10:32Kashif, can we negotiate without taking the
10:35establishment on board?
10:37No.
10:38Can't we?
10:39But do you think that you will get anything
10:41in this negotiation?
10:43Sir, my…
10:44Answer the question.
10:45Look, we get something.
10:47Do you think the judicial commission will be formed?
10:49You tell me my personal opinion.
10:51You don't think about me.
10:53So, why is this an exercise?
10:55It is an exercise because…
10:56I will share a news with you.
10:57But I agree with you that this exercise
10:59should still be done.
11:00No, let me listen.
11:01Let me share a news with you.
11:03On May 9th, there is a thought that the
11:05judicial commission should be given.
11:07On 26th November, it should be reversed,
11:09it should be straightened.
11:10It should not be met on 26th November.
11:11This is your information.
11:12Information.
11:13So, you are saying that on 9th November,
11:15they are confident that our position is good.
11:17We were talking about this before the program.
11:19In that, the accused is there.
11:21So, on May 9th, he will get the position.
11:23We talked about this today.
11:25In November 26th, the accused is there.
11:27In that, he will not get the commission.
11:29We have talked about this.
11:31On 9th November, we will get the commission.
11:33So, what is the condition of the negotiations?
11:35Negotiations, sir.
11:36The conditions of the negotiations.
11:38The conditions of the negotiations.
11:40Today, Mr. Imran Khan has talked
11:42categorically about this.
11:44And I had the instruction that you
11:46should not go to the Judicial Commission
11:48for the next meeting with our
11:50Negotiations Committee.
11:52We will stop the negotiations.
11:54It is not in our interest.
11:56Then we do not see any…
11:58What do you mean by not going to the Judicial Commission?
12:00Do you agree or not?
12:02Sir, the thing is that the government
12:04is very serious.
12:06We have two demands.
12:08Sometimes, we say this.
12:10Sometimes, we say that.
12:12I have a question.
12:14This is not a simple thing.
12:16Tell me the government's thoughts.
12:18What will be the TOR?
12:20How will it be?
12:22What will be the names of the judges?
12:24What will be the TORs?
12:26Then they talk about the prisoners.
12:28Tell us the names of the prisoners.
12:30Which people do they consider political?
12:32There is a lot of nitty-gritty in this.
12:34So, before agreeing, we need
12:36a lot of details from them.
12:38That is why I am asking you.
12:40Will the process start?
12:42Everything is ready.
12:44The government should agree
12:46to go to the Judicial Commission.
12:48Will the TORs be ready?
12:50We have an edge.
12:52Our legal team is very strong.
12:54We have Hussain Mahan Raja.
12:56We have Gauhar.
12:58We have good lawyers.
13:00We have Ali Zafar.
13:02We have a good legal team.
13:04We have a good legal team.
13:06We have a good legal team.
13:08We have a good legal team.
13:10What are you saying?
13:12You are saying that you are pointing fingers
13:14at the judges?
13:16No, not at all.
13:18You are pointing fingers at the judges.
13:20The real issue is with the judge.
13:22If the judge doesn't understand
13:24someone's argument, then what to do?
13:26We are not doing a legal case.
13:28The judge calls you every day
13:30and tells you that he doesn't want
13:32to give a decision this time.
13:34He calls you every day.
13:36No, we have to call him.
13:38The judge calls you every day
13:40and tells you that he doesn't want
13:42to give a decision this time.
13:44We are the judges.
13:46We don't know what will happen
13:48next time.
13:50Why don't you know?
13:52Mr. Zubair is feeling left out.
13:54Mr. Zubair is feeling left out.
13:56Why don't you know?
13:58My analysis is that
14:00they don't want
14:02a decision like this
14:04to be made.
14:06But Imran Khan
14:08is a hot topic.
14:10But Imran Khan is a hot topic.
14:12There will be a problem
14:14with the verdict.
14:16There will be a problem
14:18with the verdict.
14:20The verdict is a bad case.
14:22The verdict is a bad case.
14:24It cannot be good.
14:26It can be a bad case.
14:28When you listen to him
14:30when you listen to him
14:32he is talking about
14:34Yesterday, Mr. Imran Khan spoke about Shabaz Sharif Ardali.
14:41Why is there such a difference between the two positions?
14:45Both are hot and cold positions.
14:50First of all, I think you said it a little openly,
14:53that the judge's decision, I don't know,
14:55Malik said that you are raising your finger.
14:57I absolutely want to raise the finger of the judges.
15:00We are not raising our fingers.
15:01Zero credibility.
15:03Let me just... Malik, listen to me, please.
15:06You keep talking.
15:07Listen to me as well.
15:08These present judges of the Supreme Court,
15:10the Constitutional Bench,
15:11they have no credibility.
15:13Zero credibility.
15:14And they are biased judges.
15:16And they will give biased decisions.
15:17And they will give decisions against the PTI.
15:19Like their former Chief Justice,
15:22he gave a decision on the sign of a baton.
15:24He gave other decisions.
15:25So, if you have expectations from them,
15:28then there is no hope.
15:29The second thing is that...
15:31So, you are with me in this matter.
15:33There has been a trap.
15:34Mr. Zubair?
15:35The PTI has been trapped.
15:37You were with me in this matter.
15:39Not with Mr. Malik.
15:40What is your stance?
15:41My stance was with you.
15:42You were talking a little loudly.
15:44I was talking directly.
15:45Yes, yes.
15:46Yes.
15:48Okay.
15:49You can come to a better conclusion.
15:52Sir, he is not saying anything to you.
15:54He is sitting behind us.
15:55Sir, the program will stop.
15:56No, no.
15:57You have a job.
15:58I don't want the program to stop.
16:00I am not affected by that.
16:02The second thing is that...
16:04Negotiations...
16:05I think PTI has fell into the trap.
16:07Because there was pressure on them.
16:09If you don't talk,
16:10then how will the problems be solved?
16:12And that is a legitimate thing.
16:14In the eyes of the world,
16:15that they don't talk.
16:17There is a government,
16:18they don't talk to it.
16:19But the fact of the matter is
16:20that this government is an illegitimate government.
16:22It is made in a wrong way.
16:23And they should not talk to them
16:25in principle.
16:27So, Imran Khan's thinking
16:29that we should stop being accused
16:31that we didn't sit down
16:33and we didn't make any effort.
16:35So, we made an effort.
16:37Sir, let me say one thing.
16:38At this point...
16:39At this point,
16:40that you come to Imran Khan,
16:42when Faisal Chaudhary must have gone.
16:44He must have said,
16:45Sir, the Negotiating Committee
16:46is not letting us meet
16:47our Negotiating Committee.
16:49And the statement he is making
16:51that there are people who are saying,
16:53why are these negotiations taking place?
16:55This should not happen.
16:56After hearing all this,
16:57Imran Khan had two options.
16:59One option was to pull the plug.
17:01He said, if you don't want to do it,
17:02then don't do it.
17:03There won't be any negotiations.
17:04There will be a protest.
17:05The second option was,
17:06no problem,
17:07we will do the negotiations.
17:08Why did he choose the latter?
17:10Do you think that 15, 20, 25 more days
17:13if we get involved in this,
17:15then there will be no loss?
17:17His assessment is that it's okay.
17:1815-20 days.
17:19Let's give it a shot.
17:21We will not wait that long.
17:23First of all,
17:24PTI should...
17:25We were not demanded
17:27PTI is saying that
17:28we will not wait that long.
17:29But what is your assessment, Mr. Zubair?
17:31Why did you make this decision?
17:33Look, he just said something.
17:35There are two groups.
17:36Khwaja Asif and others
17:37who openly oppose.
17:38They call them terrorists.
17:40Maryam Nawaz calls them terrorists.
17:42And on the other hand,
17:43there are people like Firfan Siddiqui
17:45who speak well.
17:47But of course,
17:48they also tell their compulsion.
17:50That powerful group,
17:52Khwaja Asif and Maryam Nawaz,
17:54reflect the government's thinking
17:56or the establishment's thinking.
17:58Firfan Siddiqui, etc.
18:00are not the party's
18:02hawkish elements.
18:04And the way PTI is seen,
18:06it is seen as a hawkish element.
18:08That PTI is a bad party.
18:10So when you say hawks,
18:12Mr. Zubair, when you talk about hawks,
18:14you are saying that hawks
18:16are not ready to give PTI any space.
18:18Absolutely space.
18:20And the establishment is a part of it.
18:22Absolutely.
18:24100%.
18:26So PTI should realise that
18:28Mr. Irfan Siddiqui,
18:30I think you should speak openly.
18:32You don't have any powers.
18:34And you should demonstrate your power.
18:36If you can silence people,
18:38at least during the negotiating time,
18:40why can't you silence people
18:42like Khwaja Asif and Maryam Nawaz?
18:44If you are saying that your intention is clear,
18:46then your most powerful elements
18:48should speak.
18:50I don't think Maryam has opposed
18:52the idea of dialogue.
18:54I haven't seen it.
18:56Maybe you have.
18:58Nobody is opposing it.
19:00Maryam has never said a good word
19:02about it during this period.
19:04She keeps saying that she is a
19:06terrorist group.
19:08She is not holding back anything.
19:10I think Imran Khan
19:12has nothing to lose.
19:14There is no harm in giving 15 days.
19:16Because his credibility
19:18is very high.
19:20He knows that Imran Khan
19:22doesn't want to make a deal.
19:24But is Imran Khan improving
19:26his democratic credentials
19:28by having this negotiation?
19:30We all used to talk about this.
19:32The world used to say,
19:34why don't you talk about this?
19:36Talk about it at least.
19:38They have ended the objection
19:40that we should talk about this.
19:42But the harsh statement that came
19:44is because they don't want to
19:46talk about this.
19:48They are saying that they are
19:50alone.
19:52Negotiations are going on.
19:54They are not doing this out of
19:56fear or frustration.
19:58I don't think it will make a difference
20:00in 2-3 weeks.
20:02I think their leadership is more conscious.
20:04Because leadership gets scolded
20:06every 2-3 days.
20:08They have a lot of muck-ups.
20:10I think their negotiations
20:12are going on.
20:14If they cross the 31st of January,
20:16their voters and supporters
20:18are not going to be affected by that.
20:20Mr. Chaudhary,
20:22you were saying that
20:24this is not an endless negotiation.
20:26It won't be endless.
20:28How much patience do you have?
20:30Why would we wait?
20:32You negotiated on the 2nd.
20:34What date is it today?
20:36You couldn't get 8 meetings.
20:386 days have passed.
20:40If you can't get one thing done,
20:42then why are you wasting time?
20:44We told you
20:46that you don't negotiate.
20:48You don't engage in
20:50democratic discussions.
20:52You don't engage in political parties.
20:54It has been 8 days since
20:56the 23rd.
20:58So you are saying that
21:00we negotiated and
21:02we found out that
21:04they have nothing to do with us.
21:06I told Gohar Shah to
21:08get all these meetings done.
21:10She said that there is no harm
21:12in writing them.
21:14She will write them tomorrow.
21:16Will there be a 3rd round
21:18of negotiations?
21:20If there is a 3rd round
21:22after meeting Mr. Imran Khan,
21:24I will object to it.
21:26Why are we not allowed
21:28to meet?
21:30If you are saying that
21:32there will be no negotiations,
21:34then you are trying to
21:36keep Mr. Imran Khan out of
21:38the discussion.
21:40There is a government.
21:42What is your problem?
21:44You are saying that
21:46there will be no meetings.
21:48There are two things
21:50going on here.
21:52The first thing
21:54Mr. Zubair said
21:56is that they look desperate.
21:58It looks like PTI is dying.
22:00Does it look desperate after the tweet?
22:02Did you play the tweet on TV?
22:04I read it and played it.
22:06You know what I mean.
22:08There is no
22:10reason to make
22:12an impression.
22:14It looks like...
22:16PTI is on social media
22:18more than TV.
22:20They know everything.
22:22Even Mr. Khan knows everything.
22:24You are saying that
22:26there will be no meetings.
22:28I will talk to him
22:30and then we will discuss
22:32the situation.
22:34What do you think?
22:36Will there be a next round or not?
22:38What did you feel after
22:40talking to Mr. Khan?
22:42I don't agree with Mr. Khan
22:44that Mr. Imran Khan is
22:46using harsh language.
22:48Mr. Imran Khan said
22:50this and that.
22:52Ask the Prime Minister
22:54what he said.
22:56He has started
22:58to think too much.
23:00Orderly.
23:02Orderly.
23:04You call it orderly.
23:06I don't understand.
23:08I thought about it.
23:10Anyways,
23:12Mr. Shahbaz Sharif
23:14should be criticized by his party.
23:16They are ordering him more
23:18than their own ministers.
23:20We are the opposition.
23:22We will talk like this.
23:24You are saying that
23:26if our party won't leave,
23:28why should we leave?
23:30If you have made a committee
23:32and your party is not accepting it.
23:34We are not accepting it.
23:36We are criticizing it.
23:38Why are you saying this?
23:40Mr. Shahbaz Sharif is in it.
23:42Who is Mr. Shahbaz Sharif
23:44representing?
23:46He doubted your intentions
23:48after the tweet.
23:50He was talking about the tweet.
23:52He said that Mr. Imran Khan
23:54is using harsh language.
23:56I agree with him.
23:58It has been 525 days
24:00since he stole elections
24:02with his wife,
24:04his nephew,
24:06and his party.
24:08He beat up people.
24:10He didn't let his family
24:12and women live.
24:14After that, he killed people.
24:16You are saying that he is using
24:18harsh language.
24:20Mr. Imran Khan,
24:22you are comparing him
24:24with Yahya Khan.
24:26You will have to listen to us.
24:28We are wounded.
24:30It is not possible that you
24:32gave us a lollipop
24:34and said that your pain has reduced.
24:36You have to keep the negotiations.
24:38We want to have the negotiations.
24:40Our committee wants to
24:42move forward seriously.
24:44You can't do anything.
24:46Don't criticize us
24:48for tweeting.
24:50Say I love you.
24:52Say I love you.
24:54Let it go.
24:56He is saying that
24:58you are using harsh language.
25:00No, I am not.
25:02You don't let us meet.
25:04You are using harsh language.
25:06He is saying that
25:08you are using harsh language.
25:10He is saying that
25:12if you are harsh,
25:14you will get a harsh answer.
25:16You have to establish your authority.
25:18You have to be harsh.
25:20You can't be soft with us.
25:22Let's take a break.
25:24We will be back after the break.
25:30Welcome back, Nazim.
25:32Mr. Zubair,
25:34do you think
25:36the negotiations are over?
25:42Mr. Imran Khan's tweet
25:44and the statements.
25:48Ask the supporters of Muslim League
25:50or PTI.
25:54I don't think anyone
25:56has any expectations from these negotiations.
25:58Let's be very clear about it.
26:00Ask the supporters of People's Party.
26:02They will say the same.
26:04Ask the leadership of People's Party.
26:06They will say the same.
26:08It is a matter of opinion.
26:10PTI will say
26:12that we tried our best.
26:14But I think
26:16the more they prolong,
26:18PTI will lose.
26:20The government wants
26:22a drag.
26:24The government wants
26:26the momentum,
26:28the pressure,
26:30the high tension.
26:32Mr. Zubair,
26:34if you allow me,
26:36PTI says that
26:38you can't come to Islamabad every day.
26:40It takes a lot of resources.
26:42The cars of the
26:44Chief Minister's entourage
26:46are also in the custody of the government.
26:48The cars that were not on rent
26:50are also in the custody.
26:52Collect 10,000-15,000 people
26:54and bring them every time.
26:56They say that it can't be done every day.
26:58Solve the issues.
27:00I totally agree.
27:04I totally agree, Kashif.
27:06On November 26,
27:08you can't call them every month.
27:10You can't get the workers
27:12beaten like this every month.
27:14There are many workers
27:16who have been arrested
27:18or are missing since November 26.
27:20They have families.
27:22How can you
27:24ask them to come out?
27:26PTI's leadership
27:28was not there
27:30when the crackdown happened.
27:32There was unity,
27:34but no one was on TV.
27:36It is very difficult
27:38for PTI's leadership in this environment.
27:40But at the same time,
27:42you have to build the pressure.
27:44But how?
27:46Mr. Zubair,
27:48you have to build the pressure,
27:50but how?
27:52If you can't protest,
27:54which I can tell you
27:56with great respect
27:58and responsibility,
28:00PTI's leadership
28:02analysis
28:04can't be done every day.
28:06It's a very costly affair.
28:08First,
28:10the American element
28:12that there is pressure
28:14from America
28:16and who knows what will happen
28:18when Trump comes,
28:20how will it be better
28:22for Mr. Tehreek-e-Insaaf?
28:24First of all,
28:26what are Mr. Tehreek-e-Insaaf's options?
28:28Is there an option
28:30to heat the road?
28:32If there was,
28:34it would definitely be exercised.
28:36Mr. Tehreek-e-Insaaf,
28:38you have taken a very good
28:40political move.
28:42You have blocked the government.
28:44You don't talk to anyone
28:46by removing the label.
28:48You are sitting on a political
28:50dialogue like a political party.
28:52And everyone knows
28:54who you are negotiating with.
28:56And the real dialogue
28:58is not happening here.
29:00It is happening somewhere else.
29:02If the results come out,
29:04if the government,
29:06the establishment,
29:08and the PTI
29:10say no,
29:12then that is where
29:14the results are going to come.
29:16If they are sitting at the table,
29:18they have also started
29:20a formal negotiation
29:22somewhere else.
29:24Didn't everyone
29:26fall in love one day?
29:28The government also said
29:30to sit down.
29:32Now is the time for both of them.
29:34The government is getting
29:36these weeks.
29:38You prepare for war
29:40during the peacetime.
29:42What are their next
29:44trigger events?
29:46We all know that they will
29:48punish this case
29:50with a fine of £190 million.
29:52This is a trigger point.
29:54Mr. Khan himself has said
29:56to end the drama and make a decision.
29:58What is the second trigger point?
30:00The second trigger point is
30:02if there is a trial in the military court.
30:04Contrary to what many people believe,
30:06this will be a very significant event
30:08that this is a hand-picked INE bench.
30:10No one is expecting this.
30:12I am more worried
30:14because the comments
30:16coming from the bench
30:18are very pro-civilian.
30:20We have seen in the past
30:22that the comments of the judges
30:24are usually in a totally different direction.
30:26They don't say anything against the judge.
30:28One of the judges
30:30is a pro-civilian.
30:32No, no.
30:34To be very honest,
30:36I am more surprised
30:38by the comments of one of the judges.
30:40The comments of one of the judges
30:42are very surprising.
30:44I wanted to ask you
30:46a question about
30:48Hassan Niazi.
30:50Go ahead.
30:52Hassan Niazi,
30:54you see,
30:56he was hanged on a stick
30:58and he was humiliated so much
31:00that he showed the whole world
31:02a spectacle.
31:04He was imprisoned for 10 years.
31:06His future is ruined.
31:08Is this the only accusation on him?
31:10After listening to them,
31:12it seems that this was the only accusation.
31:14He must have read the verdict.
31:16We didn't read the verdict.
31:18We know that the scene
31:20of the uniform was an optic.
31:22We don't know about the verdict.
31:24We don't know about the main night.
31:26We will know about the verdict
31:28in the detailed judgement.
31:30I don't think so.
31:32It has to be more.
31:34But this kind of action
31:36fuels the passion to punish.
31:38I feel like punishing you.
31:40You see, the video of Hassan.
31:42This incident happened at 3-4 pm.
31:44This one.
31:46He was hanged at 7-8 pm.
31:48Someone came from behind
31:50and there is a video of Hassan.
31:52This can't be a reason.
31:56It must be the core commander
31:58of the house.
32:00Let's put it this way.
32:02I think there must be something
32:04more.
32:06This is the problem.
32:08I don't know.
32:10Maybe he was hanged for 10 years.
32:12How is this possible?
32:14I doubt it.
32:16There is no justice.
32:18They do whatever they want.
32:20That's why there is no justice
32:22in the military trial.
32:24But when the verdict comes
32:26and people have to appeal,
32:28isn't there a detailed judgement?
32:30Sir, can I say something?
32:32I will come back to this later.
32:34But remember one thing.
32:36The decision of the military court
32:38is right or wrong.
32:40People went inside and
32:42took action.
32:44Your leadership was standing outside.
32:46Yasmeen Rashid Sahiba
32:48and many other people
32:50went to the King's party.
32:52What was his name?
32:54Istekam Pakistan.
32:56I don't know his name.
32:58Zakat Ross, Andaleem,
33:00Faiyaz Khan.
33:02Don't say that nothing happened.
33:04It did happen.
33:06People went and people were charged.
33:08Yes, Mr. Zubair.
33:12I don't know on what basis
33:14you are saying that the judgment
33:16will be available
33:18to the public.
33:20No, I am saying that
33:22when there is an appeal
33:24in the high court,
33:26the judgment will be needed.
33:28Yes, but
33:30what we have seen
33:32and what you all have seen
33:34since the last one and a half years
33:36since Bena went on trial,
33:38we have seen only one scene
33:40where Mariam Nawaz is right
33:42that the punishment
33:44has been given.
33:46I don't know if she did anything else.
33:48What is PMLN looking for, Mr. Zubair?
33:50What does the Muslim League
33:52want from this discussion?
33:54Time.
33:56Time.
33:58They want to gain time.
34:00Do they want time to breathe
34:02or do they want the stability
34:04of the government for two years
34:06so that they can deal with Khan
34:08for two years.
34:10They want two things.
34:12Yes, Mr. Zubair.
34:14They have been successful
34:16for 11 months since the election.
34:18The tribunal has not yet
34:20sat down in many cases and
34:22no decision has come yet.
34:24They have shown one thing
34:26and closed the option for them
34:28to come on the road.
34:30So, largely, I would say,
34:32PMLN has been successful in the government.
34:34The pressure and threat of PTI
34:36is the most popular party.
34:38They have succeeded to a great extent
34:40because PTI has always said
34:42that they will not talk to them.
34:44Not just during this period
34:46but even earlier,
34:48when Imran Khan was in power,
34:50they said that they will not
34:52talk to these thieves.
34:54So, now that they are sitting
34:56together, it is clear that
34:58this is a great success for PMLN.
35:00And the biggest success is that
35:02physically, they do not have
35:04any threat from PTI.
35:06At least, they do not have
35:08any threat from PTI.
35:10At least for now.
35:12In the near future,
35:14can PTI put any potent threat
35:16to their government?
35:18Not at all.
35:20And the second thing is that
35:22they say that
35:24Mohsin Naqvi does not belong
35:26to PMLN.
35:28He belongs to somewhere else.
35:30We all know that he represents
35:32the establishment.
35:34So, he is not under Shahbaz Sharif.
35:36Shahbaz Sharif is under them.
35:38This is clear.
35:40PMLN, what are they looking for?
35:42I think they just need time.
35:44As much time as possible.
35:46But Muzakirat cannot give them
35:48a year or three months.
35:50Let's be honest.
35:52By its very nature,
35:54the institution is an institution
35:56that uses and understands
35:58the power of language.
36:00When you talk to them politically,
36:02the institution gets worried.
36:04When the political allies
36:06come together,
36:08they create more problems
36:10for the institution.
36:12When you use the power of language,
36:14everyone is comfortable with it.
36:16PTI is not in a position
36:18to show power right now.
36:20PTI has no option.
36:22I think they are making
36:24a very good option
36:26for talks and negotiations.
36:28They need more time.
36:30We have seen the climate test.
36:32PTI and PMLN want
36:34a year or three months.
36:36Sir, it is quite possible
36:38that everything will be over
36:40in three days.
36:42If the government says
36:44that they cannot meet,
36:46everything will be over.
36:48Then PTI has no option.
36:50Exactly.
36:52Why are you keeping an eye
36:54on the negotiations?
36:56This is a dining table.
36:58Everyone is dressed up.
37:00If there is a solution,
37:02it will be served here.
37:06Is there any possibility
37:08that the system is not working
37:10and a solution can be found?
37:12One solution is that
37:14an earlier election
37:16is impossible.
37:20I have a program at 10 pm.
37:24They say that
37:26a year or a year and a half
37:28is not enough.
37:30Let's go from here.
37:32There will be talks
37:34on mid-term polls.
37:36This is the ultimate victory
37:38for everyone.
37:40This is the real problem.
37:42Are talks on mid-term polls
37:44being held?
37:46Yes.
37:48They are being offered
37:50to go abroad.
37:52There is no such offer.
37:54They are not stupid.
37:56They will be served
37:58in a week or two.
38:00You are talking about
38:02a bigger house.
38:04You are talking about a bigger house.
38:06We are saying
38:08that there is no solution
38:10other than a bigger house.
38:14What if Imran Khan
38:16does not meet?
38:18Imran Khan has said
38:20that this is a principle.
38:22Yes or no?
38:24Sir,
38:26Imran Khan has said
38:28that if the judicial commission
38:30does not meet,
38:32then the third round
38:34of talks can be held.
38:36I don't think so.
38:38It will be held.
38:40If Imran Khan says
38:42that talks should be held,
38:44then talks should be held.
38:46Imran Khan has said
38:48that talks should be held,
38:50but this is a principle.
38:52If Imran Khan says
38:54that talks should be held,
38:56then talks should be held.
38:58If Imran Khan says
39:00that talks should be held,
39:02then talks should be held.
39:04My point is that
39:06even you are feeling
39:08that Imran Khan is saying
39:10that talks should be held.
39:12But if
39:14we do not agree
39:16by 31st January,
39:18then we will not sit
39:20and answer by 31st.
39:22But the problem is
39:24the next 2, 3, 4, 5 days.
39:26In the next 2, 3, 4, 5 days,
39:28will they sit
39:30if talks are not held?
39:32I think they will sit.
39:34They should sit.
39:36If Imran Khan does not meet.
39:38Let me tell you one thing
39:40through Faisal.
39:42Faisal is sitting here.
39:44From the point of view
39:46of America,
39:48the government will communicate
39:50very easily.
39:52They are very happy.
39:54We are conscious of that fact.
39:56You should be aware of that.
39:58You should be aware of that.
40:00You should be aware of that.
40:02You can expect some pressure
40:04from America when
40:06you are fighting.
40:08You will not get any help
40:10on the negotiating table.
40:12Exactly.
40:14This is your belief.
40:16People outside should realize
40:18this.
40:20You are saying that
40:22if there is peace
40:24and good talks are held,
40:26there will not be any pressure
40:28from America.
40:30Before 20th,
40:32will the train go that way
40:34or that way?
40:36We have limited time.
40:38Whatever we have to do,
40:40we have given them everything.
40:42We are inside the window.
40:44We are inside the window.
40:46You are saying that
40:48we have nothing to do with it.
40:50You can punish us later.
40:52We are not sitting here.
40:54Let's take a break.
40:58Welcome back.
41:00Negotiations are happening
41:02at their place but there are
41:04political compulsions.
41:06Timing is very critical.
41:08There is a hope from America
41:10that they will do something.
41:12In 10 seconds,
41:14propaganda accounts
41:16are not ours.
41:18Mr. Khan has said that
41:20we have distanced ourselves
41:22from Middle East countries
41:24and their rulers.
41:26There is an organized
41:28campaign against
41:30Bibi Mishra.
41:32They have nothing to do
41:34with PTI.
41:36We always respect PTI.
41:38You are saying that
41:40we have nothing to do with PTI.