La señora amenazaba a los vecinos con armas. Tras dos años de denuncias finalmente la detuvieron.
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00:00Neighbors of Avellaneda complained about a woman named Rosa
00:05who was causing destruction, threatening people in that neighborhood.
00:09She was older, 70 years old, obviously with some mental health problem
00:14and her emotional balance.
00:16Only two and a half years later,
00:19they arrested this woman who threatened the neighborhood.
00:22Cristian Balbo, what else is known?
00:25Maria Rosa Lazarte is the name of this 70-year-old woman, Rolando,
00:29who was arrested at 1 a.m. yesterday
00:32for threatening to use firearms.
00:36This was here in the town of Wilde, in the Avellaneda neighborhood,
00:39on San Carlos Street at 1500.
00:42This is the place, San Carlos, corner of La Serna.
00:45In 2022, in the middle of the pandemic, in América Noticias,
00:48we gave coverage when the neighbors concentrated in front of this woman's house
00:52denouncing that they were constantly being insulted,
00:55that they were even causing damage to the houses.
00:59At least 30 denunciations were filed.
01:00This started several years ago.
01:02At least five years ago,
01:04this situation, the limit that is lived here in Wilde,
01:07with this neighbor and her daughter, also manifests itself here in the neighborhood.
01:11Cristian, let's read the accusation a little bit.
01:16Yes, so you can see that this exists,
01:19that it is not a story and a gossip of neighbors.
01:22There is an order in the UFI number one in Avellaneda
01:27for a blatant cause.
01:29Threats aggravated by the use of weapons.
01:31We deduce that it is a firearm.
01:33Threats, damage, illegal possession of firearms.
01:36Here it is, a firearm.
01:37Of civil use and attack against the authority.
01:40That is, it has a few articles.
01:42The code, the lady, the sweet 70-year-old grandmother.
01:47Yes, the truth is that it is important,
01:50all the crimes that justice,
01:52the UFI number one in Avellaneda,
01:54considers that this woman committed.
01:55And that's why yesterday at 7.20 in the morning
01:57they arrested her here, around her home.
01:59The truth is that she lived here
02:01and in fact she was registered by the American News cameras
02:03in 2022 along with her daughter.
02:05When the neighbors denounced by means,
02:08with the documents in hand, they approached.
02:09She was here at the door of her home.
02:11This is Maria Rosa's house.
02:13And the worrying thing now is that you hear the barking.
02:16And it is the following.
02:17Look at the main door of your house.
02:19At this moment, Rolando is with a chain and a padlock.
02:24We repeat, with a chain and a padlock.
02:26She lived here until yesterday at 7.30
02:28when she was arrested for this crime that we just mentioned
02:31along with her daughter.
02:32Her daughter is not here.
02:33In here, the neighbors tell me,
02:35there are at least four dogs.
02:37Yes, I repeat, four dogs.
02:39And the question we ask ourselves,
02:40and this is also important that justice knows it,
02:42or the zoonosis of the Avellaneda party.
02:44Who takes care now of feeding,
02:47of giving water to these dogs that are here?
02:49I tell you, I touched practically all the doors
02:52of this block and of the Linderas blocks.
02:55And I tell you, what there is in these moments,
02:58according to what the neighbors have said,
03:00is fear of reprisals.
03:01If this woman is released again,
03:04because they are tired over the years.
03:06We repeat, they are tired over the years.
03:09In addition, they say that they do not want to hinder the investigation
03:12since the court has made the decision to arrest her yesterday.
03:16But the truth is that, for the moment, the neighbors,
03:19after having protested for years
03:21and having achieved that justice acts today,
03:23we have fear of reprisals.
03:25Wait, Cristian, because we are going to review a moment.
03:27Two and a half years later, listen well,
03:30two and a half years later,
03:32of complaints that came from time before,
03:35they are going to arrest this woman
03:37for threatening people with firearms.
03:40Look at the file, don't be scared.
03:42There are people with beards
03:44because it is in the times of the pandemic.
03:46And they shoot them, Rolo.
03:47Here I have two of the complaints presented,
03:49but they say there are more than 30.
03:51I read the names.
03:52One is that of Lidia Concepción García
03:55and another is that of María Rosa Lazarte,
03:58who presented themselves, one to the police,
04:00another to the court,
04:01to say that these women are denouncing the threats.
04:04But this, which could be, I don't know,
04:06a trifle between neighbors,
04:08a fight of neighbors for minor things,
04:11scales to such an extent
04:13that they are saying that they are being shot,
04:16that they have a weapon
04:17with which they have come to aggravate them,
04:19shooting from a terrace.
04:22America News in Huilde,
04:24in the midst of this conflict.
04:25Martín Rojas, we listen to you.
04:29Soledad, and this is how the neighborhood is.
04:30It is convulsed by this situation
04:32that many of the neighbors are going through
04:34in this confrontation
04:36with two neighbors who live in that house
04:39that we are seeing right now.
04:41And the neighbors who have grouped
04:43are from many houses here on the street,
04:45San Ignacio at 1500 in the neighborhood of Huilde,
04:49San Carlos at 1500 here in Huilde.
04:52And there are several neighbors
04:53who decided to call the media.
04:56The truth is that it was the last resource they had
04:59because they say that beyond the complaints,
05:01you said it well,
05:02more than 30 complaints that they have submitted
05:05in different places,
05:07they do not get an answer,
05:08they do not get any kind of solution
05:11to this problem they are going through.
05:12One of the denouncers is you, ma'am.
05:14What is the reason for the complaints?
05:16Well, look, this is our file from 2022,
05:19more than two years ago,
05:21two years and a bit of this complaint,
05:24they just stopped this woman
05:26because evidently the evidence was strong against her.
05:29But also at that time,
05:31as in the case of Don José,
05:34the violent there in the D11 area,
05:37the neighbors, tired that justice does not give them a ball,
05:40go to the television channels
05:42and please help us to know this situation.
05:46In this case, it must also be said,
05:47it did not help much
05:48because it took two and a half years
05:51to intervene on the situation of this woman
05:53who is now arrested, Cristian Balbo.
05:57Exactly, María Rosa Lazarte,
05:59this woman is 70 years old.
06:00We have the image of the moment
06:02when the police of the province of Buenos Aires,
06:04Quinta police station in Avellaneda,
06:06speaking yesterday at 7.20 in the morning,
06:07they arrest her here around
06:09in De la Serna and Echeverria,
06:12it is just 100 meters from the place
06:13where she lives with her daughter.
06:15Now the house looks like this,
06:17we saw Martín Rocas in 2022
06:20in the Marco de la Cobertura in the middle of the pandemic
06:21when the neighbors came out,
06:23and also this woman with her daughter,
06:26the daughter from the terrace of the house,
06:28talking about damage,
06:30of permanent screams,
06:31of dawn, of others,
06:32letting the neighbors sleep.
06:33Now this situation occurs,
06:35Luciana, the dogs are inside
06:37and we ask ourselves,
06:38they closed with chain and padlock,
06:40what happens with all these animals?
06:41Well, surely they will intercede for them
06:45because we know that there are many people
06:47who, of course, work in favor of the animals
06:50and they are going to make some kind of complaint,
06:54we imagine it,
06:55in the event that no one returns,
06:56because you said that the daughter lived with her,
06:58that she was not there last night,
06:59but you go to see if she does not return in the next few hours.
07:01Now I wanted to consult you...
07:02The lawyer is on vacation.
07:03Why not?
07:04Why not, it can be.
07:06Now I wanted to ask you, Cristian,
07:07during those more than two years
07:09that passed between
07:11from America News
07:12we tell the story of this woman,
07:14Rosa, who threatened the neighbors with a gun
07:16and today they arrested her.
07:18Were there more complaints?
07:19Were you able to talk to the neighbors?
07:21Did they tell you anything
07:22about how they lived these two years?
07:24Yes, yes.
07:25There were more complaints,
07:26they even talk about Luciana
07:28of a first arrest in the month of June 2024.
07:31Another arrest.
07:32We have not confirmed what they manifest.
07:34And now, exactly,
07:35now there is this second arrest
07:37yesterday morning
07:38and that has to do,
07:39as the neighbors comment,
07:40that they do not want to show their faces today
07:41because they are tired, fed up,
07:43and apart they fear reprisals
07:44because they say that these people,
07:46let's say, also cause damage in the properties
07:48according to what they say here in the neighborhood.
07:50That they break windows.
07:52What they say is clear,
07:54that since January 1st,
07:55since January 1st,
07:56shouts are heard at night and early in the morning,
07:59that they are heard 200 meters from the property
08:02and of course,
08:03and that the neighbors already know
08:04to whom those shouts belong.
08:05Look at the house as it is,
08:06it has, behind the fence
08:08we hear the dogs barking,
08:09some crying too,
08:11and notice that they have placed,
08:13I would tell you that it is like a kind of nylon, right?
08:16There is a nylon.
08:17Yes, like a curtain.
08:18Yes.
08:19While you tell this, Cristian,
08:20we are seeing the moment
08:22in which the patrolman is arrested.
08:26Of course, exactly.
08:27Here you see, look,
08:28it has the vegetation that goes out of the fence,
08:31the dogs that keep barking
08:32inside the property
08:34and this image also catches our attention,
08:36the chain with the lock.
08:37Yes.
08:38The chain with the lock on the door
08:41which is what...
08:42Yes, now you have to see if it was the usual way to close,
08:44because...
08:45to notice our presence, right?
08:46Yes.
08:47You notice this situation from the outside,
08:48the people who have placed the nylon.
08:49But just like Don José,
08:52just like Don José,
08:53the violent man there,
08:55of 11,
08:57who says that he is not violent,
08:58although he is immortalized,
08:59hitting a neighbor,
09:01this woman said that she was a victim,
09:04yes, of a kind of conspiracy
09:06where the neighbors wanted to put drugs on her
09:10to keep the house
09:11and that's how she spoke at the time.
09:13María Alejandra, who is the youngest,
09:15is on the roof
09:16and is fighting with a neighbor right now.
09:19What is María Rosa doing?
09:20Talking, she is not fighting.
09:22They are accusing her
09:23that I am the crazy one,
09:24I am the crazy one.
09:25I do defend myself to the screams,
09:28I defend myself to the screams,
09:29because, you know...
09:30Wait, wait, wait.
09:31María Alejandra, what's going on,
09:32that you are up there on the roof?
09:33Why are you there, María Alejandra?
09:34I'm talking to the neighbor.
09:36And...
09:37And there, but why are you talking from above the roof?
09:39I'm not talking to the roof,
09:40I'm talking to the neighbor.
09:41So...
09:42She is fighting with a neighbor,
09:44arguing,
09:45look where the other neighbor is,
09:46on a balcony.
09:48I mean...
09:49But, but they are...
09:51It's weird to hear them like that.
09:52Exaggeration, stop exaggerating.
09:54But it seems to me that this exaggeration is not...
09:56There are 30 complaints for stones,
09:58for, supposedly,
10:00you who would have used a gun,
10:02there are all...
10:03Lie, lie, we don't have a gun.
10:05You know, there are those who want to do a healing,
10:08they have been coming for a long time with the healing,
10:11and when I find out about the healing,
10:13I go to the prosecutor's office.
10:14My daughter goes to the prosecutor's office.
10:16To come and sign...
10:17But why is your daughter up on the roof?
10:18Well, let her, she's talking.
10:19Let her, you take care of me,
10:21what I'm explaining to you.
10:22You are making the note,
10:23and let her know,
10:24that she...
10:25But doesn't it seem strange to you
10:26that a person
10:26talks to a neighbor from above the roof?
10:30Because she can't move,
10:31she's fat,
10:32and has leg problems.
10:35But what are they fighting,
10:36are they arguing,
10:37what are they...
10:37She's talking to my daughter,
10:38she's telling her...
10:39Well, this was the lady
10:41who said that everything was an exaggeration.
10:43Well, it seems that it wasn't such an exaggeration,
10:45because two years later,
10:47and as Cristian Balbo was there,
10:48just from his cell phone,
10:49and other subsequent complaints,
10:51they ended up arresting her.
10:52We insist,
10:54we repeat the cover of the indictment.
10:58Threats aggravated by the use of weapons.
11:00Threats,
11:01damage and illegal possession of firearms.
11:04It can be seen that they verified
11:05that she had firearms.
11:07And an attack against the authority,
11:09the lady,
11:10this lady,
11:12her name is...
11:12Rosa.
11:13Rosa Lazarte,
11:14was finally arrested.
11:17Cristian, what else is known out there?
11:20Look,
11:21the image,
11:21I tell you to tell it,
11:22because with all the crimes
11:24you just mentioned,
11:25in 2022,
11:26when Martin Rojas came,
11:27of course,
11:27the neighbors wanted to denounce her,
11:28because they wanted her to be arrested.
11:29Now, from this decision,
11:31that took the UFI number one here in Avellaneda,
11:33the Instruction Function Unit,
11:34you can see that the neighbors
11:35don't want to go out on the street again.
11:37Because, of course,
11:39you heard that there is use of firearms,
11:41that is,
11:44use of firearms.
11:45Of course.
11:46Yes, we'll have to see if,
11:47I mean, during these two years,
11:50she also continued to threaten in that way, right?
11:53Because maybe there were other ways.
11:55And there,
11:56I think we have to make a contribution to sanity.
11:59Well, let's see,
12:00if the lady is an older lady,
12:02who has some kind of imbalance,
12:04mental health,
12:05well, she has to be treated by a professional,
12:08a psychiatrist,
12:09a neurologist,
12:10and we'll see,
12:11yes?
12:12She has to be treated and monitored
12:13so that this does not transfer to her behavior problems.
12:16If in the case of Mr. José,
12:17the gentleman from there, from 11,
12:19has or does not have a mental health problem,
12:21a professional should also treat him.
12:23But for that,
12:24justice needs to intervene.
12:27If justice is on vacation,
12:29or looks the other way,
12:30or takes two and a half years
12:33to make a decision,
12:34such as arresting this woman,
12:35to which, perhaps,
12:36they should take her to a mental health center
12:38so that she can be treated
12:39and then she can be back,
12:40medicated,
12:41and the problem is over.
12:43But if there is no kind of measure,
12:45nothing can be done,
12:46and the only thing that can be done
12:47is to postpone the conflict
12:49until, at some point,
12:50it can explode in the worst way.
12:53In fact, Rolando and I were talking
12:55with one of the complainants,
12:56and he told me,
12:57look, they arrested her.
12:58At last.
12:59At last, a complainant told us
13:00that she lives here in this block.
13:01But we don't want to hinder the investigation.
13:03We don't want to get involved.
13:04We don't want to make public statements
13:06in the media,
13:07because the goal has been achieved.
13:08A lot of time has passed.
13:09Years have passed,
13:10but the goal has been achieved.
13:11The first goal is
13:12that this woman is not here
13:14threatening,
13:15shouting,
13:16damaging properties,
13:18and so on.
13:19And, in the first instance,
13:20this is what has been achieved.
13:21That is why the complainants
13:22who, during these last years,
13:23through the American News Camera,
13:25as we have seen in 2022,
13:26and so on,
13:27made the complaints,
13:28more than 30,
13:29as they have stated today,
13:30that goal,
13:32on the part of justice,
13:33has been achieved.
13:34The issue is the following.
13:35We have to see
13:36in what situation her daughter is.
13:37Maria Alejandra,
13:38because,
13:39according to the neighbors,
13:40she would have left home yesterday
13:41when they arrested her mother.
13:42It is still uncertain
13:43the whereabouts of her daughter.
13:44Yes.
13:45In the material of 2022,
13:46the mother and daughter are seen together.
13:47Of course.
13:48Acting, praying.
13:49The daughter on the terrace,
13:50the mother at the door.
13:51And here everyone wonders,
13:52where is the daughter?
13:53What happened to the daughter?
13:54And we have to see
13:55in legal matters, too,
13:56if there is any logic
13:57of crime or not
13:58for the daughter.
13:59Yes, maybe,
14:00maybe,
14:01maybe,
14:02the woman left
14:03for another fight.
14:04Goodbye.
14:05Go see.
14:06Or if she left before,
14:07right?
14:08It is not clear
14:09if she left yesterday.
14:10We have to see
14:11if justice is also looking for her,
14:12or not.
14:13Oh, if she is sued.
14:14If there is some kind of complaint
14:15against her, too.
14:16And if she is sued,
14:17of course.
14:18Of course,
14:19we have not confirmed
14:20the indictment
14:21on Maria Alejandra,
14:22but here the neighbors
14:23today used the word
14:24that she is a fugitive,
14:25but well,
14:26it is not confirmed.
14:27We do not know if there is an indictment
14:28or not also about the daughter,
14:29but in that material,
14:30we do not know.
14:31We do not know.
14:32Let's see.
14:33Excuse me,
14:34excuse me,
14:35excuse me,
14:36excuse me,
14:37excuse me.
14:38Are you a neighbor
14:39in the area?
14:40No,
14:41but I was on the other side.
14:42Are you aware
14:43of the lady?
14:44Did you have the information?
14:45No,
14:46I do not know her.
14:47Nothing,
14:48nothing,
14:49nothing.
14:50I do not know her.
14:51I have no idea
14:52what was going on here.
14:53No,
14:54no,
14:55the truth
14:56is that I do not know her.
14:57Well,
14:58we are going to go to the bank,
14:59We don't want to know anything.
15:01No, because they should also be afraid
15:03that the woman will return and become more furious than before.
15:05Because you also said that...
15:06If the intervention is failed...
15:08Of course, and besides, Christian,
15:10I think I should have understood you
15:11that I had already had a detention a while ago,
15:15in the span of those two years.
15:16A neighbor at a party in the month of June.
15:18Of course.
15:19I rang practically all the doorbells here.
15:21I spoke to a dozen people,
15:23I'm off camera,
15:24everyone told me, look, I apologize,
15:27we appreciate your presence,
15:29but we don't know how this woman will recover
15:31if she returns to her home.
15:32Of course, and the point is that...
15:33She's tattooing.
15:35And this is the fear of these people,
15:36that we leave if she continues to live with this reality,
15:39unless now justice acts as a consequence,
15:42maybe she has been transferred to a psychiatric health center,
15:46as I mentioned earlier,
15:46enrolling,
15:47we have to see what happens with the daughter,
15:49whether there is an imputation or not.
15:50In addition, she is an adult woman,
15:52I mean, we would have to see how long,
15:55of course, how long she can stay,
15:58how long she can stay,
15:59in what conditions,
16:00I mean, justice usually allows older people
16:05to return to their homes,
16:06the issue is the conflict it has.
16:08Let's see, are you with someone?
16:10It is a type of crime more linked
16:11to mental health problems than anything else.
16:13Of course, of course, of course.
16:15Well, and there is a whole other chapter, right?
16:17Regarding what to do with mental health.
16:19In fact, they told us that a neighbor around here
16:23is the one who would have, in some way,
16:27to make the decision that she is the one who...
16:29Knowledge in the sense of coming to the house to feed
16:32and give water to the dogs.
16:33I approached that lady, she is an adult lady,
16:35and she says that she stopped doing that in recent days,
16:37but like, let's see, if yesterday they arrested her,
16:40the house has a chain and a padlock,
16:42and inside they are indicating that there are five dogs
16:44that as soon as we get closer they start barking.
16:46Sorry to go back to the issue of pets, right?
16:48But I say, here they have to exterminate zoonoses
16:49also from the municipality or something
16:52to act as a consequence,
16:53if the daughter does not appear,
16:54we do not know the legal condition of the daughter,
16:55the judicial condition of the daughter
16:56after this episode with the mother,
16:58but this house appears in these conditions,
17:00it seems abandoned in the front with these nylons,
17:02the chain and the padlock,
17:04and as soon as we get closer,
17:05the barking begins once again, right?
17:07The barking of a large number of dogs
17:10that seem to be, according to a neighbor,
17:12that there is a lady who lives around here
17:14who could feed us and give them water,
17:15but she does not have the padlock key,
17:17with which she told us that she can not do it again now.
17:20That is, these dogs do not know if they have food,
17:22at this time if water, there are several,
17:24because of the barking we are hearing,
17:26but it is assumed that in the framework of this detention,
17:28if there is a barking and so on,
17:30in addition to these crimes,
17:31here there are also animals that are within this property
17:33that we suppose,
17:34even though we are in January,
17:36someone will have to intervene
17:37to act as a consequence and transfer them,
17:40or see if the lady is going to stay more days detained or delayed,
17:42if she is going to return to her home or not.
17:44It is a first step after the detention
17:46recorded around 7.20 in the morning,
17:49here around this home,
17:50but well, there are several situations that are simultaneous.
17:52Although it was off camera,
17:54what did the neighbors tell you
17:55about the family history of these people?
17:58I don't know if you were able to consult it,
18:00if you have any information about it.
18:01Yes, what the neighbors tell us,
18:03yes, what they tell us, in fact,
18:04the neighbor, who is one of the complainants,
18:08they tell us on time that
18:09the ones who live here are mother and daughter.
18:11Yes.
18:11And usually they are shouts,
18:13they are insults,
18:13which are at night,
18:15even in the early morning.
18:16And also among them,
18:17or only outside.
18:18Everyone knows it in the neighborhood.
18:19Only for the rest of the neighbors.
18:21Outside, outside.
18:22With damage to other properties.
18:24And then, well, the justice
18:25that ends up determining that here what happened.
18:27Let's see, sorry.
18:28Here we have the neighbor with his hand in front.
18:30You must know for sure.
18:31How are you? Excuse me.
18:31We are live for America News
18:33because, well,
18:33we know in front of the situation of your neighbor.
18:36What can you tell us?
18:36Did they detain you in the morning?
18:38Yes, the truth is,
18:39I wasn't there.
18:41I have my son hospitalized,
18:42now I'm going there.
18:43But it's something chronic every day.
18:47Something chronic? What do you mean?
18:48What happens every day?
18:49The shouts, the fights,
18:50the...
18:52the low voices that this person says
18:55towards the whole neighborhood.
18:57What kind of low voices
18:58that can be publicly expressed?
19:00Or fights between whom?
19:02I never knew why...
19:04There is a dispute with the neighbor next door.
19:08She says that because of the house,
19:09that they want to take the house from her.
19:12Because of the shouts,
19:13the neighbors tell her,
19:15please shut up.
19:16And she starts to attack all the neighbors.
19:18And insult the neighbors.
19:20As it is.
19:21In general, at night, they tell us,
19:22this can happen.
19:23At one in the morning,
19:24at two in the morning,
19:25at six in the morning,
19:27sometimes it's two hours to the shouts.
19:29We are studying, working, we can't.
19:32You can hear everything in the background.
19:34That's how they live with this reality.
19:35Yes, like that, but I've been...
19:37How many years?
19:38Eight years I've been with this reality.
19:38Eight years with this reality.
19:39Well, the testimony of a neighbor,
19:41we finally made it,
19:42Luciana Rolando,
19:43manifesting this reality.
19:45They've been saying for eight years,
19:47the shouts, the insults, this reality.
19:48Well, justice intervened.
19:50Late, but it intervened.
19:51They were arrested.
19:52Let's wait and see what they do
19:53with the pets that are inside the house,
19:54which are five dogs.
19:55Well, we'll stay like this then.