If Bani and Bushra Bibi Are Not Present on January 17, Will the Court Announce the Verdict?
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00:00Has the judge given any indication that whether he will come on 17th or not, I will announce the verdict.
00:06No, the date of 17th January has been given. I think the verdict will come on 17th January.
00:10There are no two opinions in this.
00:12Do you have any further doubts?
00:14No, I don't think so.
00:16So what is the point of waiting for four days?
00:20Nothing.
00:22So what was the need?
00:24In this polarized environment, I think the judiciary itself should look at some things.
00:31Give it the name of self-accountability, whatever it does.
00:33In Islamabad High Court, I am saying again and again, it looks at the administrative side.
00:37They should look at these things.
00:39Earlier they used to say, why did you go to court at night?
00:42When the questions were raised in the cipher, they must be looking at what is going on.
00:49Today the verdict could have been announced.
00:51There were no doubts, no two opinions.
00:53And it should have been announced.
00:55And if I am deducing from what you are saying,
00:57you also don't think that it will depend on what the negotiations are on 16th,
01:01so the verdict will not come on 17th.
01:03The verdict that was supposed to come, will come on 17th.
01:05Just because of these reasons, it was not announced and it was wrong.
01:07Is this what you are saying?
01:09Yes, yes, absolutely.
01:11We don't have any such information that we can take it and do it with anyone.
01:13Because now the judge himself has also said that I have signed.
01:16The verdict has been written.
01:18On 23rd December, when the date of 6th January was being given,
01:21it was around 9.30pm.
01:23The judge said that he will give you the next date after 10 minutes.
01:25But we waited for 2.5 hours.
01:27He said that he will tell you after looking at the schedule.
01:29So on 6th January, after looking at the schedule for 2.5 hours, something was given.
01:33Today it was given immediately.
01:35So today the judge said that I was on training on 6th January.
01:38So it means that on 23rd December, the date of 6th January was not to be given.
01:42So this was a surprise for me.
01:44That the date of 6th January was not to be given.
01:47Yes, absolutely.
01:48And on 18th December, another thing.
01:50On 18th December, when the verdict is secured,
01:52when the judge closes the file at 9pm after the arguments,
01:56he says that the verdict should be given on 23rd December.
01:58It means that it is clear that I have to write the verdict in the next 3 days.
02:02So it didn't come on 23rd, 6th or 13th.
02:05So it is a strange thing.
02:07The value of justice is at stake.
02:09Do you think this will be a punishment?
02:11I think it will be a punishment.
02:14What do you think, how much will it be?
02:16The maximum is 14.
02:18Now it is up to the judge how much punishment he will give.
02:21Is there anything in this that if the punishment is more than these years,
02:24then it becomes difficult to get bail?
02:26Is there anything like this?
02:28Or the number doesn't matter whether you get bail or not?
02:32The number doesn't matter.
02:34So is there anything in this case that if the punishment is more than these years,
02:36then it will be difficult to get bail?
02:38So is there anything like this?
02:40The punishment for 3, 5 or 7 years will be suspended soon.
02:44The punishment for 10 or 14 years will be a little difficult.
02:46But if the punishment was given on 23rd,
02:50I spoke to Mr. Salman Sardar,
02:52he said that he had prepared an appeal,
02:54and he had to file it on 24th.
02:56If the appeal had been filed by today,
02:58then it would have been matured by today.
03:00Because when the appeal has to be filed,
03:02the decision on the suspension of the sentence
03:04has to be made in 1 month and 40 days.
03:06If the decision is made on 17th,
03:08and the punishment is given,
03:10then you have to keep in mind that
03:12the suspension of the sentence
03:14has to be made on 27th February.
03:16Whether you get bail or not,
03:18the decision will be made in 40 days.
03:20So the punishment is different
03:22when the appeal has to be filed
03:24and the decision has to be made.
03:26But the day the appeal has to be filed,
03:28technically you are not a criminal?
03:30Technically, yes.
03:32Your punishment has to be filed.
03:34You can be released on bail?
03:36Yes, you can be released on bail.
03:38The case is still going on?
03:40Yes, the case is still going on.
03:42Even the Evanfield case was still going on?
03:44Yes, the bail was still going on.
03:46When the bail is done,
03:48the appeal is fixed after a long time,
03:50and then the situation changes.
03:52You are right,
03:54I am not going to talk about the current situation.
03:56But I would like to talk about
03:58the cases that have come forward
04:00in the past,
04:02where the case has not been heard properly.
04:04This has not happened?
04:06No, not at all.
04:08More than 100 cases have been heard,
04:10and the last witnesses of this case,
04:12who were also the investigators,
04:14have been given 35 cases of Jira.
04:16Because the lawyers of Bani PTI
04:18and Bushra Bibi were delaying the hearing.
04:20There was no time limit?
04:22No, not at all.
04:24The lawyers themselves were admitting
04:26that even if we go to the High Court,
04:28we will not be able to go to this base
04:30because we have not been given
04:32the opportunity to go to the High Court.
04:34So we will only be able
04:36to go to the High Court
04:38based on our merits.
04:40Do you think the bail will be difficult
04:42or will it be done?
04:44I mean, will the punishment be temporary?
04:46Well, first of all,
04:48the punishment will be temporary,
04:50and then we will be able to go to the High Court.
04:52It is possible that the judge will acquit us.
04:54You just said that you will not do it.
04:56I think the judge will have a different opinion.
04:58Mr. Sakir, what do you think?
05:00In my opinion,
05:02if there is a punishment in the case,
05:04then the possibility of acquittal is more.
05:06One thing is very important.
05:08In the Cypher case,
05:10the judge did not see
05:12the copy of the cipher.
05:14Based on this,
05:16the case was completely cleared.
05:18In this case, there is a document
05:20that neither the prosecution nor the government
05:22has opened.
05:24The government has not opened that document for two years.
05:26The case is still in the sealed envelope.
05:28The case is still in the sealed envelope.
05:30One person says that
05:32whatever is written in the sealed envelope
05:34was from the State of Pakistan.
05:36The accused says
05:38that it was not from the State of Pakistan.
05:40Now, if the sealed envelope
05:42does not open,
05:44and the judge did not see it,
05:46and if the case is brought to the High Court,
05:48the question arises
05:50that he did not see that it was there,
05:52then how will it be established?
05:54Where is the sealed envelope?
05:56It is with the federal government.
05:58Did the court ask for the sealed envelope?
06:00No, no.
06:02There are no two opinions in that.
06:04The sealed envelope is there.
06:06But the court asked us to give it
06:08so that it can be decided.
06:10No, no.
06:12Neither the prosecution nor the court asked for it.
06:14And neither did the government,
06:16which talks about it again and again,
06:18say that the court,
06:20because there was a note
06:22in the sealed envelope,
06:24so it can be taken.
06:26But the court did not ask for it.
06:28No, no.
06:30The prosecution had to give it.
06:32The prosecution could have given it
06:34to strengthen the case.
06:36Or the federal government could have
06:38asked the court to give it
06:40so that the judge could see it.
06:42Because in the Cypher case,
06:44there was a lot of debate
06:46around this one point.
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