Category
😹
FunTranscript
00:00This is not a spontaneous event.
00:03I believe that this is all part
00:04of an organized rollout of information.
00:07What they say, how they say it,
00:09and who is saying it is all being controlled.
00:12Hello, everybody.
00:13Welcome to WatchMojo and Unveiled.
00:15I'm your host, Rob, and I'm back again
00:17to talk some more about unidentified,
00:20anomalous phenomena, or UAPs.
00:22Today's guest is Ron James.
00:24He's a filmmaker and the director
00:26of media relations for MUFON,
00:28the Mutual UFO Network.
00:31And I'm really excited to speak to him
00:33about his films, about some of the most recent UAP
00:37revelations, and a little bit about
00:40what to look forward to heading into 2025.
00:42So, welcome, Ron.
00:43I really appreciate your time,
00:45and I'm looking forward to getting into this with you.
00:47Yeah, thanks for having me on the show.
00:49It's a pleasure.
00:50I think a good place to start would be
00:52your film, Accidental Truth, which was released in 2023.
00:57It's a good segue into some of the events
00:59that happened this year in 2024.
01:02So, if you wouldn't mind, let's just talk
01:05a little bit about that.
01:06The title, Accidental Truth,
01:08what exactly is that referring to?
01:10And, yeah, what is the big takeaway from that film,
01:14without giving it all away, I guess?
01:16The term, Accidental Truth, I thought I coined it,
01:20but later on I found out that it's been out there.
01:23But my definition of it is what happens
01:27when evidence or statements lead one to a conclusion
01:30that was not originally intended to be revealed.
01:33And in the film, there's a lot
01:35of what we call accidental truths
01:37that come from people saying something
01:39they shouldn't have said or slipping up.
01:42And so, in the film, we pretty much lay out
01:46the most compelling case for crash retrieval teams
01:50and the legacy programs that all existed,
01:53and the fact that we're being given a whole new narrative
01:57that is designed to whitewash the past
01:59with regard to government involvement
02:02in the UFO, UAP phenomenon.
02:04So, I'm happy to tell everybody in the audience
02:07that, as of recently, you can watch
02:09Accidental Truth for free, and I hope you do.
02:11You can see it on YouTube Movies.
02:14You can see it on Tubi.
02:15You can also still rent it on Amazon and Apple
02:18and all the usual places.
02:20But it won 28 Film Festival Awards,
02:23and it was called one of the most important
02:25UFO documentaries that's been done.
02:28And I've been told by people in Washington, D.C.
02:31that a lot of the flap that came
02:35in the latter part of 2023 was actually caused
02:40by some of the stir that Accidental Truth caused
02:43inside the intelligence community.
02:45So, everybody, I urge you to watch the film.
02:48It's very compelling.
02:49We have Lou Elizondo, Michio Kaku, the famous scientist.
02:54We have Ralph Blumenthal from the New York Times.
02:57And there's just, there's a lot of content,
02:59and it's still a strong film.
03:01I definitely recommend that everybody check that out.
03:03Definitely watch it on YouTube or wherever you can.
03:05I've seen it a couple of times.
03:07And one of the striking things that I took away
03:10from the film was basically filling in the gaps
03:13of what happened between Project Blue Book
03:17and 2004 with the Nimitz incident,
03:20which is kind of where the new narrative,
03:21if you will, starts again.
03:24So, what happened in those years
03:27that the government is not admitting to necessarily?
03:30Well, you know, from the Roswell incident moving forward,
03:34and there were other things before that,
03:36but I refer to that personally
03:38as the modern era of the UFO cover-up.
03:42We had situations where there were discoveries made
03:47and groups were convened to manage the information.
03:51And at some time very early,
03:53they all decided that this could not be put out to humanity
03:57and they needed to keep it a secret.
03:59And that spawned decades of deception
04:03and dark government programs
04:05and partnerships between government and industry,
04:08where there was no accountability
04:10to not even the body politic,
04:13much less the American people or the people of the world.
04:16So, we have a situation where this just kind of spiraled
04:21into something that, as of now,
04:24they're not even in a position to take accountability
04:27for what happened and what they've done.
04:29And the presence of non-human intelligence
04:31is becoming so obvious in so many ways
04:34that they're kind of between a rock and a hard place
04:37because they can't come out and explain,
04:39well, yeah, we've known about this
04:42in our country since the 30s.
04:45We've known about it worldwide
04:47since the beginning of recorded history.
04:49There is documentation of non-human intelligence
04:52interacting with people and we've been covering it up
04:56and some people have been profiteering from it.
04:58So, how do we do this?
05:01And that's where we're at right now.
05:02We're at the mushroom cloud of the S hitting the fan
05:08with these people.
05:09And there's still a lot of debate inside government
05:13and industry and the clandestine community
05:17on how we get this information to humanity
05:20without a whole lot of people being in trouble.
05:22One concept that was introduced early in the film
05:25was just the issue of trust in the people
05:28who are revealing this information
05:31because they work for or have worked for the government.
05:34Are they necessarily trustworthy people
05:36that we should be taking their truth as gospel
05:42or should everything be taken with a grain of salt?
05:44Where do you stand on that?
05:45You know, it's really interesting.
05:47It's a double-edged sword
05:48and we're going to be exploring that a lot more
05:51in the next film.
05:53But in one way, we have to be thankful
05:57that we have people inside our government,
05:59inside our military that are capable of taking an oath
06:03to not reveal information and not reveal it.
06:07So, on one hand, there are people
06:09of a certain amount of integrity for doing that
06:13and for being so steadfast about it.
06:16But on the other hand, we have to realize
06:19that these are the people who hold the keys to the kingdom.
06:22Inside of their heads, locked in their knowledge,
06:25is information that would change
06:27the entire course of humanity if they could just lay it out.
06:30And so we resent them collectively in some way
06:35for continuing to hold that secret when it's so important.
06:39I used to be one of those people that resented these guys,
06:44but at this point in time,
06:45I kind of understand where they're coming from
06:47and I'm thankful that we have people that will adhere
06:52to the promises that they made.
06:54We're dealing with a bureaucracy
06:57and people at the level of Lou Elizondo or Hal Puthoff
07:01or any of these people that you see out there
07:04that have this knowledge, Christopher Mellon,
07:07they are not really authorized to put it out.
07:10And I will also say that everything that we've seen
07:13since 2017 with the public rollout of information
07:17from Lou Elizondo and the UAP videos,
07:21all the way to what we're seeing now with David Grush
07:24and with other whistleblowers coming forward,
07:27this is not a spontaneous event.
07:30I believe that this is all part
07:32of an organized rollout of information.
07:34What they say, how they say it,
07:36and who is saying it is all being controlled.
07:40And that these guys, in a way,
07:42they're still working within the system
07:45to get the information out.
07:47They will all say that it's not orchestrated,
07:49that it's an organic process that began,
07:53but they're also being pulled into skiffs
07:55and told what they can say and what they can't say.
07:58David Grush did not just come out saying these things
08:02with his fingers crossed.
08:03There was a year-long process that was involved
08:07in vetting him to the media and in vetting him to the public.
08:12And I know that there's people out there when I say that,
08:16that say that I'm wrong,
08:18but I interviewed Ralph Blumenthal,
08:19who broke the story with Leslie Keen about David Grush.
08:24And he told me the whole process and how long it took.
08:27So I have inside information that confirms this.
08:30So we're watching an organized rollout of information,
08:33and it's guys like me that are chipping away at the sides,
08:36chipping away at the edges,
08:38trying to preserve the actual truth
08:40against a controlled disclosure.
08:44Sorry if that was long-winded, but there's a lot to it.
08:47No, absolutely.
08:48We need to get everything out there in detail.
08:52If it is an orchestrated rollout of information,
08:54what is the larger reason, in your opinion,
08:57for revealing all of this now?
08:59Well, we're reaching a point
09:00in our technological capabilities
09:02that you can no longer hide this stuff.
09:06The sensors that see UFOs
09:09and the technology that makes that possible
09:11that the military has is now falling into civilian hands.
09:15And we have similar technology now
09:17that we can just buy and deploy.
09:20Spaceflight is getting more and more commercialized,
09:22so it's gonna be harder and harder
09:24to hide what's happening in outer space.
09:27We have people like Elon Musk that wanna go to Mars.
09:31Soon, if they go to Mars, sooner or later,
09:33they might find out things about that planet
09:37that were not being told.
09:38So the information is on the verge of revealing itself.
09:43And we also have the experiencer phenomenon
09:45where people are having these encounters
09:48that they just can't deny.
09:50And it's similar stories being told all over the world.
09:53It's similar stories occurring to more and more people.
09:59And so we're on the verge
10:01of potentially having this non-human intelligence
10:04reveal itself to us in a significant way,
10:08or we are going to discover them on our own.
10:11So they're kind of up against that solid brick wall
10:14of catastrophic disclosure,
10:17whether they're involved or not.
10:18And so I think that's why we're getting what we're getting.
10:21One of the key accidental truth moments from your film
10:25was when Lou Elizondo referred to UAP as they.
10:29Where are they coming from?
10:31What are they doing here?
10:33What are their capabilities?
10:34And something similar happened
10:37at the November 13th congressional hearing
10:39where I believe Congressman Moskowitz called him out
10:42for basically saying, you can't talk about Fight Club
10:46if there is no Fight Club,
10:48referring to the back engineering programs.
10:50Like, if Lou can't talk about back engineering,
10:53then that means that there must be stuff happening.
10:58So what in your view is kind of being said
11:02without being said through all of this?
11:04What is the big takeaway that we should get
11:06from reading between the lines?
11:08That all the stories about legacy programs are true.
11:11All the stories about reverse engineering
11:13of captured craft and captured materials is true.
11:20One thing that happened at the hearings
11:21that was especially gratifying for me
11:25is that myself and some people that I was there with,
11:28actually they had met Eric Burleson
11:32the night before the hearings
11:34and gotten into a conversation with him
11:36about the hearings the next day.
11:39And he actually asked us to supply some questions.
11:43And so while we were waiting in line for the hearings,
11:46we texted him one question
11:48and then we were actually sitting in the back of the room,
11:52in the hearing, texting him follow-up questions
11:55in real time, which he then asked Lou Elizondo.
11:58So I consider this a personal victory
12:00and another accidental truth
12:01because after he asked him the first question,
12:04which was, if we were sitting in a skiff somewhere,
12:07could you provide me with proof that would convince me?
12:10And Lou sidestepped that question.
12:12But we immediately, I was sitting with Danny Sheehan,
12:16I was sitting with Melinda Leslie,
12:19and I was sitting with another friend of mine
12:21who I can't talk about,
12:22but who was actually doing the texting.
12:26And the next question about Lockheed Martin
12:29divesting themselves of the materials
12:31and trying to give them the Bigelow Aerospace,
12:34we covered that in accidental truth.
12:36And we've always suspected
12:38that Lockheed Martin was the company,
12:40but that's never been confirmed.
12:42But right there in the back of the room,
12:44during the hearing,
12:46we texted Eric to hit Lou with that question.
12:49And when he did, Lou gave us a, excuse me,
12:53Lou gave us another accidental truth
12:55when he basically acknowledged or did not disagree
12:59that it was Lockheed Martin that had the materials.
13:02And so that was just absolutely,
13:04that was a stunning moment.
13:05Not many people realized
13:07what was happening behind the scenes.
13:09And it might be the first time a UFO investigator
13:11actually got to drive a congressional hearing
13:15from the backseat, literally.
13:18That's very cool.
13:20So we got the, yeah,
13:21Lockheed Martin had some of this material.
13:23It just goes further to prove that these programs existed.
13:28What was the standout moment, if any,
13:30from the most recent hearing for you
13:32or the most significant and impactful one?
13:34Because a lot of people feel
13:35that there wasn't too much new information revealed,
13:39but I think it still steps in the right direction,
13:44maybe not the bombshells that we were hoping for,
13:47but what is the most significant thing
13:48spoken about to you?
13:50Well, you know, people are like, no bombshells.
13:53I think that that hearing was full of bombshells.
13:55I mean, we had Lou Elizondo acknowledging,
13:58you know, is there non-human intelligence?
14:01Yes.
14:03What I think everybody's waiting for
14:05is that official announcement
14:07with some kind of verifiable physical something like,
14:10you know, hey, we're inside this secret room
14:12at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base,
14:14and this is one of the craft we have.
14:15That would be great.
14:17That's probably not gonna happen, maybe ever.
14:20So considering the caliber of the people that were there
14:24and the things that they acknowledged,
14:27I thought a lot of the hearing was a bombshell.
14:29And what happened at, you know, during the hearing
14:32where we were actually able to help shape the questions,
14:35to me, that was a personal milestone.
14:38And if you watch the hearing,
14:40this is one of my favorite moments.
14:42If you watch the hearing and you wait for the part
14:45where Mr. Gold from NASA begins to proclaim
14:50the history of NASA as a transparent
14:52and open, honest organization,
14:55there is an audible laugh in the back of the room
15:01that took the whole entire chamber.
15:03And I have to tell everybody that that was me.
15:06I could not contain myself listening
15:09to that being conveyed.
15:13We all know the history of NASA
15:15and their ability to cover stuff up,
15:17airbrush photos before we had Photoshop,
15:21lose important information and basically lie.
15:25So the idea that NASA is a transparent, open
15:28and completely honest organization,
15:31if I could have fallen out of my chair, I would have.
15:34Let's dig into that a little deeper
15:36because you have former astronauts in your film
15:39talking about things that were revealed to them.
15:42And I'm curious to know a little bit more
15:45about some of the secrets that NASA might be holding onto.
15:49Well, there's a, excuse me,
15:51there's transmissions from astronauts
15:54that some have been made public
15:56and I'm certain some haven't,
15:57of things that they saw on the moon.
15:59There is evidence going way back
16:03that NASA would routinely retouch photos
16:05and take things out.
16:07That's all been proven.
16:08Mike Barrow has written some good books about it
16:11with Richard Hull.
16:12And although some people might think
16:13some of the claims in that are a little far-fetched,
16:16there's a lot of it that's true.
16:18So there's a very good track record
16:20for anybody that wants to do a little bit of research
16:23about NASA not being 100% open and honest with the public.
16:28And the interview that I did with Dr. Edgar Mitchell,
16:36I never published that interview,
16:37but part of it's an accidental truth.
16:40He talks about how he was told
16:42the Roswell incident was real.
16:45And so, but another thing that we don't know
16:48about Edgar Mitchell, not many people,
16:51is that, well, I guess everybody who knows about him
16:54knows that, so don't let me misspeak.
16:56He came back, he had such a transformative
16:59personal experience coming back from the moon
17:01that it changed him forever.
17:03And he came back and he founded
17:05the Institute of Noetic Sciences,
17:07and he went on to do an awful lot of work
17:11in that field and trying to kind of bring science
17:14and spirituality and nature of reality all together.
17:18And when he passed away,
17:20we found the famous Wilson Davis memo
17:23was included in his papers.
17:27So that memo has been, for a really long time,
17:31a subject of great debate.
17:33Rather, it was actually a real document,
17:36and rather the stuff in it was true.
17:38And for people that aren't sure,
17:41don't know what that is,
17:42Dr. Eric Davis supposedly took a memo
17:45after a meeting with Admiral Thomas Wilson,
17:48where Thomas Wilson told him about his efforts
17:52to get to these legacy programs and to get read in
17:55that were unsuccessful even for
17:58a high-ranking government official.
18:01This document and its legitimacy
18:05have been questioned for years,
18:07but I can tell you guys that at the Sol Conference,
18:11immediately after Washington, D.C.,
18:13I flew to San Francisco for the Sol Conference,
18:16and that Dr. Eric Davis was on stage,
18:19and he literally came as close to finally acknowledging
18:22the truth about the Wilson Davis memo
18:26as we're ever gonna see.
18:28So it was absolutely spellbinding.
18:31And that all originated from Dr. Edgar Mitchell and his work.
18:35For so many years,
18:36NASA was the de facto space agency of America,
18:40and now we have SpaceX,
18:42and the doors are kind of opening to others
18:46to enter into the space exploration field,
18:50Elon Musk being a huge player.
18:53And he's been a little bit cagey about the UAP stuff.
18:57He doesn't really want to talk about it, seemingly,
18:59doesn't really answer questions about it,
19:01and kind of gives the,
19:04he has the attitude like,
19:05if something were going on,
19:06I'd know about it and I'd be talking about it.
19:09But what's your take on how much he knows
19:13and the stance that he's taken on the topic?
19:16Okay, so I can answer that,
19:19but I need to quantify it that this is just my opinion.
19:24I've heard a few things.
19:25My old studio was right across the street from SpaceX,
19:29and I used to go and hang around at this restaurant.
19:31It was on the SpaceX campus
19:34where a lot of the SpaceX people would go
19:36for dinner and to eat lunch.
19:38It's called Eureka Tasting Room.
19:40And so you'd hear some conversations,
19:43and I'd spoken with some people that were on his video team
19:46and some other people at SpaceX that would tend to,
19:52tend to confirm that that's not exactly true.
19:54And the take that I have is that
19:59Elon's basically been told to stay out
20:01of the alien conversation.
20:03And the reason is obvious.
20:06We don't need other people muddying the waters.
20:08The organized rollout of disclosure is very,
20:13the people that are attempting to orchestrate it
20:15have a very specific plan,
20:17and Elon's a bit of a wild card.
20:19So the bargain there is stay out of alien conversation.
20:24You can stay and you can keep playing with rockets
20:27and you can keep getting contracts.
20:29If we see what happened to Robert Bigelow,
20:32who had fantastic NASA contracts,
20:35the potential of his space stations going into space,
20:38he had one attached to the space station,
20:41then all of a sudden he goes on 60 Minutes
20:43and says there's aliens.
20:45Within a year, Bigelow Aerospace had been stiffed by NASA.
20:50He literally had to try to sue them to get paid
20:53for the remainder of his contracts.
20:56All of his technology got cannibalized by other companies,
21:00his inflatable space habitats.
21:02Bigelow Aerospace was literally shut down because of COVID.
21:07There are those who believe that that was retribution
21:10for him going public with the alien comment.
21:13And then the next thing we see is Robert Bigelow
21:15is doing life after death
21:17and he's not talking about aliens anymore.
21:19And so Elon doesn't want that to happen to him.
21:24But you have to ask yourself,
21:26if there's reverse engineering programs,
21:28if there's materials out there
21:30that industry has been able to utilize and use,
21:34you don't think he's gotten his hands on some of that stuff?
21:38So I've been told from insiders at SpaceX
21:41that there's a lot more understanding
21:43of the ET non-human intelligence phenomenon
21:48than he is ever gonna let on,
21:50but he's not gonna go there without permission.
21:52And so that's just how it is.
21:56That's the deal he made.
21:57So that's my opinion.
22:00It's a moderately informed opinion,
22:02but obviously not something that I can state as pure fact.
22:07But that is the answer to,
22:09a very long answer to a very short question.
22:11And if people go to YouTube and search Ron James, Elon Musk,
22:16there's a video that I made
22:17actually calling him out about this
22:20and offering to give him a private briefing
22:24where people from MUFON and people from our field
22:27would come to SpaceX and spend 15 minutes with him
22:30at a conference table and line him out of what we know.
22:35And it'd be interesting to get him
22:36and Robert Bigelow in a room
22:38so that they could have a conversation,
22:40or him and Lou Elizondo in a room
22:42so that they could have a conversation.
22:45So Elon is playing the game.
22:47And as we can see by how the political situation
22:52has unfolded, he's pretty good at it.
22:54Yeah, it's very interesting because,
22:57him still building rockets
22:59powered by fossil fuels and whatnot,
23:02as they can do pretty amazing things,
23:05land themselves, they're reusable and whatnot,
23:08but it's nothing compared to the technologies
23:11that we're seeing from some of these UFO cases.
23:13So I wonder what it's like for him if, as you say,
23:17he's gotten his hands on some of these materials,
23:19but still being limited compared to what
23:23these other craft that we see can do.
23:26Well, I don't know how much longer
23:29that's gonna be the case.
23:33Antigravity technology, which we believe
23:36we've had for a while, at least in some form,
23:38and other technologies that will enable us
23:41to get into space in a much less clumsy way,
23:46do exist, at least on paper.
23:49And there's gotta be a way at some point
23:51for this stuff to roll out.
23:55Secret technology finds its way into the public mainstream
23:59through lies about where it originated.
24:03Night and all the shape-shifting metal
24:07is a classic example that's been proven.
24:09It was supposedly created in a naval weapons lab,
24:12but we know through research that it was actually created
24:17in its early stages by a contractor,
24:19Battelle Memorial Institute,
24:21working for Wright-Patterson Air Force Base
24:23around the same time as Roswell.
24:25So technology that they come up with,
24:31they can't say, oh, we reverse engineered it
24:33from an alien craft.
24:34So they'll come up with some kind of story
24:39about where it originated,
24:41and then they'll roll it out to humanity.
24:43And so SpaceX is perfectly positioned
24:46to roll out these new technologies.
24:49And at some point, they probably will,
24:51and there'll be other companies.
24:53But the thing to watch very closely
24:56is that Trump is trying to put in place Jared Isaacson
25:02to run NASA, and that is very, very telling.
25:08What more can you say about that?
25:10Well, okay, so Jared Isaacson
25:12is a billionaire entrepreneur.
25:18He loves aviation.
25:20He bought his own military jet, learned how to fly.
25:22He doesn't have any military training experience.
25:25His background is basically,
25:29and I wanna make sure I don't get any of this wrong,
25:32but he literally did not complete his education.
25:34Somehow or another ended up a multi-billionaire
25:38by creating a pay system for processing credit cards.
25:43And he then joined forces with SpaceX
25:46to make the documentary
25:49about taking civilians into space for the first time.
25:53And he was the guy that did the first civilian spacewalk
25:57up in a SpaceX rocket.
26:00So this is a guy that is knee-deep with Elon Musk,
26:05their fellow billionaires.
26:07They've been working together for a long time.
26:09And if Jared Isaacson ends up running NASA,
26:12in my opinion, SpaceX will be running NASA.
26:16And that's a very interesting partnership,
26:17wouldn't you say?
26:19It definitely sounds like it.
26:22One other thing that was revealed in the,
26:24well, not revealed during the hearing,
26:26but spoken about during the most recent hearing
26:29is the Immaculate Constellation program
26:32that was broken shortly before.
26:34What is the significance of that, do you think?
26:37And will we be hearing about even more government programs
26:42coming to light in the near future?
26:44Well, I think we're hearing about the government programs.
26:47We're just not hearing about what they're called
26:49and where the bodies are buried, so to speak.
26:54People who really do their research and follow the field
26:58can tell you there's numerous places
27:01where supposedly crafters stashed,
27:04supposedly different engineering programs
27:05are going on with different things.
27:07If a material was recovered that had this property,
27:11it would go to this laboratory.
27:13We know all of this,
27:15but we don't have the cart block to walk in the door
27:18and ask to see what's behind the vault.
27:21I wish we did.
27:22In fact, I've actually told Kirsten Gillibrand's office
27:26and the people at Aero, you guys get the keys,
27:30we'll show you what doors to go to.
27:32We know that much about this stuff,
27:34but making that happen is in this current state,
27:40even though it's getting better, is next to impossible.
27:43We know where there's craft,
27:45where most likely bases where they're being studied.
27:49We know where materials stuff would be studied.
27:52We know where energy and propulsion would be studied.
27:54There's different bases and different facilities
27:58all over the United States
27:59that would be logical recipients of different things
28:02in reverse engineering programs.
28:05There just doesn't seem to be the genuine stomach
28:08to go start knocking on doors,
28:09nor the clearances, nor the capability or the possibilities.
28:13I mean, if you're Aero,
28:16and you actually care about getting to the bottom of this,
28:19which the first version of Aero, that's debatable,
28:25how do you go to X base in Wyoming
28:28and demand full access and get it?
28:32This is what we're up against.
28:33In this era of supposed transparency,
28:38getting to the actual information
28:40and getting to the materials themselves
28:44is even harder than it's ever been,
28:45even though you might know exactly where they are
28:47or have a pretty good guess.
28:49And so that's kind of where we're at right now.
28:53Can you talk a little bit more about Aero
28:54and the significance that program,
28:59if it is a program necessarily, has?
29:02I watched George Knapp's recent Netflix docuseries,
29:06and a big part of that is him compiling a report
29:09to contest some of the findings
29:11that the first version of Aero put forward,
29:14which was basically that they kind of squashed everything.
29:18I understand that the team's been kind of reformed
29:20and revamped, and they're gonna be looking at things
29:22in a different way, but what more can you say about that?
29:25I'm glad you asked.
29:26I actually had the opportunity to discuss this on camera
29:30with Kirsten Gillibrand.
29:32It'll be, Gillibrand, I'm sorry,
29:33it'll be in the next Accidental Truth movie.
29:37When the first Aero,
29:39and Kirsten was the one who basically designed this,
29:42she terminated through legislation the UAP task force
29:47and replaced it with Aero
29:49and put Sean Kirkpatrick in place,
29:52who in the beginning, and it was her that did that,
29:55Aero was her baby, so to speak.
29:59When Kirkpatrick first came forward,
30:01there was a lot of enthusiasm,
30:03but over time, and looking into
30:07who this person actually was,
30:10he's very deep in the intelligence community,
30:13and his scientific credentials are fine,
30:15but he's also a company man, so to speak.
30:18And I have heard and documented
30:21in Accidental Truth Next,
30:23a lot of people that gave Aero information
30:26that should have led them right to the front door
30:29of answering this, that was literally ignored.
30:32And so there are a lot of people, and I'm one of them,
30:36and again, this is just an opinion,
30:38who believe that Sean Kirkpatrick was the front man
30:41for whitewashing the reports
30:44and for ignoring the pertinent information.
30:46There's a whole story about how David Grush
30:48was supposed to go into Aero.
30:50Aero says, we kept inviting him, he kept not showing up.
30:53David Grush says that he felt threatened,
30:56that he was unable to solidify an appointment.
31:00And there's other stories of this as well.
31:02And I know for a fact, firsthand,
31:06that Lou Elizondo went and talked to Aero.
31:09Now, Lou would have been able to, in a classified setting,
31:12tell them an awful lot of information,
31:14including this whole Lockheed connection
31:16and other things that he knows about.
31:19And so the fact that Aero put out this sterile report,
31:22debunking a significant amount of information,
31:26it doesn't jive with the inside information we have
31:29about people that went to Aero,
31:31and it doesn't jive with the information
31:34that we know Aero was given,
31:36and it doesn't jive with
31:39Sean Kirkpatrick's actual background.
31:42This guy has been an intelligence community asset
31:45for a very long time.
31:46And in my opinion, he was brought in to toe the line.
31:50We all had high hopes that that wouldn't be the case.
31:54And then we have, in addition,
31:56we have Susan Gao or Susan Gough from the Pentagon,
32:00who is their spokesperson.
32:02She is always coming out with stories refuting things.
32:07When a big material story broke with Bigelow Aerospace
32:11that I outlined in Accidental Truth,
32:13she's the Pentagon spokesperson that came forward and said,
32:15this is all not true.
32:17It's all just government programs,
32:19has nothing to do with recovered craft
32:21or reverse engineering,
32:22which we were able to pretty much prove in the film
32:25that that was not true.
32:28In both of the hearings with Aero,
32:33the very first one with Sean Kirkpatrick
32:36and the new hearing with the new guy,
32:39I can't remember his name, forgive me.
32:41In both hearings, if you watch the video
32:45sitting to the right of the Aero director
32:51or to the left from the camera perspective,
32:54we have Susan Gao, Susan Gough.
32:58I'm not sure how to pronounce her name.
33:00People tell me different things.
33:01But she's sitting there scowling the whole time.
33:05There's actually memes on the internet
33:07where she, of her grimacing face,
33:10looking at the camera and looking at the Aero director.
33:14And a lot of people think
33:15that this is just a symbolic warning for the Pentagon
33:19to anybody who knows who she is,
33:21that I know we're saying it's okay to be a whistleblower,
33:24but we're really not.
33:26And so I have higher hopes for this version of Aero
33:30that it's more transparent.
33:33Kirsten Gillibrand certainly believes
33:35that Aero is the way to go.
33:38It's her baby and she ran that hearing.
33:42And she has personally told me
33:44that she thinks it's going to work.
33:48So it remains to be seen.
33:50But the first iteration of Aero
33:52was just more of the whitewashing dog and pony show.
33:56And the second iteration of Aero,
33:58we can all cross our fingers.
34:00I have personally turned in some UFO material
34:03to Kirsten's office and had interaction with Aero.
34:07We'll be outlining that in the movie.
34:10We went to Ohio and we extracted materials
34:14and we actually turned them into her office.
34:18So that's very exciting stuff.
34:20But yeah, cross your fingers on Aero.
34:23Speaking of whistleblowers,
34:24it seems that there's been a little bit more efforts
34:26to protect them and to kind of inspire
34:30a little bit more confidence in them
34:32to come out with certain information,
34:34but it's still a bit of a sketchy situation.
34:38What should be done to encourage
34:43more people to come forward?
34:45And do you see signs that this is happening
34:47or is there still a long way to go
34:49in terms of protecting these people?
34:51Aero is promising protection to whistleblowers.
34:55I actually was able to interview Kirsten Gillibrand
34:59on camera and one of the things I asked her to do
35:02was look right at my camera and tell whistleblowers
35:06that they can come forward
35:07and that they would be protected.
35:09And she did it and I'm going to publish it very shortly.
35:12So you have it straight from a sitting senator
35:16that there is protection for whistleblowers,
35:19but here's the problem.
35:21None of that is actually in place.
35:24There are no written rules for how,
35:26if you're some guy that worked in a lab,
35:29like say you're a Bob Lazar and you come forward,
35:33it's still the wild, wild West.
35:35And with people like our Pentagon spokesperson scowling
35:40during the whole conversation
35:42about whistleblowers coming forward
35:44and the history of whistleblowers not being protected,
35:47it's not yet what I would consider a safe environment.
35:51Now I'm working with Danny Sheehan
35:53and the New Paradigm Institute,
35:55as well as my work with MUFON.
35:57And one of the things that we're putting in place
36:00collectively is a team of pro bono attorneys
36:04who are standing by to protect whistleblowers
36:07through this process.
36:09So if you are a whistleblower
36:11and you have firsthand experience in these programs,
36:14we suggest that first you contact your own attorney,
36:17then you contact New Paradigm Institute or MUFON
36:21and let us walk you into the process,
36:23which will begin with putting vetting you obviously
36:28in confidential situations,
36:30putting you into contact with attorneys
36:35who will then put you in contact
36:36with the offices of one or more senators in Washington, DC,
36:40who will eventually lead you
36:42into a conversation with Arrow.
36:45And that process is as close as we have so far
36:49to being able to protect whistleblowers
36:52that wish to come forward.
36:55There's also another problem,
36:58and that's what I call the men in a box.
37:02These guys might know things,
37:08but they're all under oaths,
37:10they're all under NDAs,
37:13they're all certainly threatened
37:15with what's gonna happen to them
37:17if they violate their security.
37:19And all of that stuff will happen
37:21if they come forward potentially.
37:25And if they don't have anything to prove it,
37:27they're just more people out there stating wild stories.
37:30So the position of the whistleblower
37:33is very, very difficult in this field,
37:35because if you come out and say,
37:37hey, I worked at Los Alamos,
37:39and we had a flying saucer and we can fly it,
37:42and the TR-3B is real or any of these things,
37:46well, then they've already triggered
37:49all of the repercussions that are gonna happen to them.
37:52They could be discredited,
37:53they could lose their retirements,
37:55they could be completely ostracized, lose their clearances,
38:00potentially go to jail.
38:02And can we protect them from all of those things?
38:07We're working on it, but I can't say for sure that we can.
38:10So then all of a sudden,
38:11they're hanging out there twisting in the wind
38:14after revealing everything with no proof,
38:17the intelligence community immediately goes
38:20after discrediting them like they did to Lou Elizondo,
38:23like they did to David Grush.
38:25And these guys are just literally twisting in the wind
38:27after having just risked everything
38:30to reveal what they know,
38:31and it doesn't move the ball forward.
38:34So these poor people, and I feel sorry for them,
38:37I really do, I can't imagine what it's like
38:39to live with these secrets
38:40that you can't even tell your wife.
38:42These people are men in a box.
38:44I wouldn't wanna be that for anything.
38:46And we have to have a certain amount of compassion for them
38:49because they literally are between a rock and a hard place.
38:52And until we figure out
38:54how to get this whistleblower protection really working,
38:58like if I'm a whistleblower and I've worked in a lab
39:00and I come forward and I say,
39:01yes, this is where the lab is.
39:03Well, do we have some kind of congressional police force
39:06that's gonna go get into that lab and find out if it's true?
39:09Could they get access?
39:12It's very, very treacherous at the moment.
39:17But I will say that if anybody has whistleblower information
39:21and they'd like to begin the process,
39:23we do have a program that can get you
39:25from consultation with an attorney,
39:28into a SCIF, into Congress,
39:31and the mechanisms for protection are in place.
39:35I'd like to get your take on a very recent event
39:39that is currently sweeping the news to some degree,
39:42which is what's happening in New Jersey
39:45with all of the drone sightings that people are reporting,
39:47but even more anomalous craft in the sky
39:51doing things that drones shouldn't be able to do.
39:55What do you think this is all about?
39:57I've heard so many different theories,
39:58but I'd like to hear it from you.
39:59What is your opinion on that?
40:01At this point in time, it's inconclusive.
40:03And I know there's a lot of people
40:04that are becoming attached to outcomes.
40:08My personal assessment of it is that we're dealing
40:11with 30% mystery, 30% misidentification,
40:15and 30% mass hysteria of people
40:18just suddenly looking up and seeing things.
40:21There's a lot of potential explanations.
40:24None of them are explaining everything.
40:26There's some really, really interesting video coming up
40:29of what are clearly orbs being involved in this.
40:34And then there's video of drones that are clearly airplanes.
40:39And so you have the mundane explanations
40:44that the Pentagon and the White House are floating of,
40:47there's really nothing going on.
40:50And then you have the more extreme,
40:52oh, it's non-human intelligence,
40:53there are orbs morphing into drones.
40:56And so you have all across the spectrum.
40:59Meanwhile, the incidents are increasing.
41:03There's also the story that perhaps
41:05these are government drones that are looking
41:08for some sort of misplaced material, potentially nuclear.
41:14So that's a possibility.
41:16I did some research into that.
41:18Marie Geller did a post about it
41:20where he was told from high-ranking people within Israel
41:24that this was the case.
41:26The United States government did purchase
41:28and does own these drones that are capable
41:31of sniffing out gamma rays and that kind of thing,
41:36and we've deployed them overseas.
41:38And it's not a stretch to think
41:41that that could be the case.
41:42It would certainly fit in with what they're saying
41:45as far as they pose no threat,
41:47they're not foreign adversaries.
41:50And these drones, even if they're government drones,
41:52looking for something or flying legally.
41:55So it gives the government cover.
41:59Some sort of US government operation deploying the drones
42:02in search patterns for whatever reason
42:05seems to make the most sense.
42:07But I think there's a lot of moving parts
42:09and we're not gonna know the answer tomorrow, if at all.
42:14And then you also, we have a situation with these things
42:17where they're appearing all over the place.
42:21And that is also interesting,
42:25but we do have these big drones.
42:26The drones the size of SUVs that can stay in the air
42:29for up to 13 hours exist.
42:31You can Google it and you can buy one if you have the money.
42:34So it's not a stretch to think
42:37that they're just regular drones doing something.
42:42So there's that.
42:45If there is a search happening for a nuclear warhead,
42:46would it then not follow that some UAP activity
42:50could also be expected?
42:52We've heard the stories of nuclear missiles being shut down
42:55by UFOs throughout the decades.
43:00Could that be a possible connection
43:02to what we're seeing right now also?
43:04No, that's a heck of an angle.
43:07And as farfetched as it might sound on the surface,
43:10I suppose it's plausible with everything else that we know.
43:14Another thing that people don't know
43:17is that there is actually an air corridor
43:20in that New Jersey area that has been set aside
43:23for the testing of drones.
43:24And lots of people that are testing drones,
43:27people from Amazon all the way through to NASA,
43:30use this corridor.
43:31It extends from the shore
43:33over to where some of the Air Force bases are.
43:35And it's literally an air corridor
43:37that's been set aside for testing drones
43:39and different drone applications.
43:42Amazon is using delivery drones in cities right now,
43:47literally delivering orders with drones.
43:49So we're rapidly approaching a time
43:52when drones are everywhere.
43:54And so we're gonna have to get used to seeing them anyway.
44:00The strange orbs that have been filmed and photographed,
44:05so one of them by ABC News, it was very compelling.
44:09In conjunction with physical drones,
44:13certainly makes your theory worth taking a look at.
44:18But in order to validate that,
44:19we'd have to validate everything else
44:21about non-human intelligence and blah, blah, blah.
44:25Right.
44:26Another theory that I've heard put out
44:29is that this is simply an exercise
44:31to monitor public response to potential crisis situation
44:37or what have you.
44:39And it leads me to the question
44:40of what you think the public's reaction would be
44:43should we get a UAP event on a large scale
44:49that kind of like brings everything to light,
44:51that's unavoidable, everybody knows about it.
44:54Do you think that the population largely is ready
44:57for something like that?
44:58Should that happen?
44:59What do you predict the reaction to be?
45:01Well, you know, I get that question a lot
45:03and myself and a lot of other people
45:07have traditionally answered that question by saying,
45:08of course we're ready, humanity's ready.
45:10You know, it would be fine.
45:13But I think that the real answer
45:16is a little more nuanced than that.
45:18We have to look at the context.
45:21If, for instance, if non-human intelligence
45:24were to reveal itself and we were basically told,
45:27look, we're here, we've always been here,
45:30we're watching you guys' development,
45:32we mean you no harm, you know, life goes on,
45:37then it's gonna be fairly easy for humanity
45:39to absorb the knowledge, at least to a point,
45:43and just continue with its daily, you know, its daily life.
45:48But if there's a nefarious circumstance where, you know,
45:51hey, we're here, we're in charge now,
45:54then you're gonna see mass panic.
45:57So it's really the context.
45:59Most people already have the understanding
46:03that A, we're not alone in the universe,
46:04B, the government knows a lot more than they're telling us,
46:08and C, there's evidence of non-human intelligence
46:11interacting with humanity for all of recorded history.
46:15So most people already understand this.
46:18So it was just a simple acknowledgement
46:20of these existences.
46:22I think it would be possible to not majorly disrupt society
46:26with that information.
46:28But if it's, hey, they're here and watch out,
46:31then society will never be the same,
46:34and we'll literally be at the mercy of whatever it is
46:37that is revealing itself.
46:40I'd like to speak a little bit about your upcoming film,
46:44Accidental Truth Next.
46:47So the first film came out in 2023.
46:50We have, you know, maybe a year and a half's worth
46:54of developments that are up for being covered.
46:59What can you say about the upcoming film
47:01and what should we look forward to?
47:03Accidental Truth Next is basically a review
47:07of all of the things that have happened in government
47:10between the time Accidental Truth came out,
47:12which was shortly before David Grush came forward.
47:15So we follow all the legislation
47:17and the stuff that's happening
47:19behind the scenes in Washington.
47:21I've been in Washington, D.C.
47:23I've met personally with numerous members of Congress.
47:26I've actually videotaped me briefing a member of Congress.
47:31It's the only video out there ever of a UFO investigator
47:34briefing a sitting member of Congress about the cover-up
47:37going all the way back to the 40s
47:40that'll be part of the film.
47:42So we cover the process in Washington, D.C.
47:44and where that's unfolded,
47:45all the way up to the current stuff that's happening now.
47:49And then we go into where the whole understanding
47:53of non-human intelligence is taking us.
47:56And so just like in the original Accidental Truth movie,
47:59it was very nuts and bolts up
48:01to a certain point,
48:01and then it became very esoteric and mystical.
48:05In Accidental Truth Next,
48:07we're very nuts and bolts up to a certain point,
48:10historical documentation.
48:12We have new interviews with Tim Burchett.
48:14We have Kirsten Gillibrand.
48:15We have Nancy Mace.
48:17We have Ralph Blumenthal talking about the whole history
48:19of how the David Grush story broke.
48:22We have Richard Dolan and Steve Bassett
48:24talking about the failure of Arrow.
48:28And we really delve into Sean Kirkpatrick's role
48:32and how that all turned out.
48:34We have Danny Sheehan revealing some things
48:37he's never revealed to people on camera.
48:40But then we take a very radical turn
48:44into what does all this mean
48:46in conjunction with who are we as beings
48:50and what is the nature of our own reality?
48:52So Accidental Truth Next, it's a logical sequence.
48:56Matthew Modine is narrating again.
48:59And I promise everybody,
49:02if they thought the first Accidental Truth
49:03was an interesting ride,
49:05this one is gonna leave you
49:06just puzzling over your very existence.
49:10Very much looking forward to that.
49:12What do you think we should look forward to
49:14in terms of new information coming out potentially next year
49:18and maybe even beyond that?
49:20A lot of it is going to depend
49:22on the political climate in DC
49:24for that prospect.
49:28I've been told by, again, sitting members of Congress
49:32that there's a good possibility
49:34that Donald Trump will choose to reveal
49:36more than any other president has revealed yet.
49:40He certainly knows some things.
49:43He was certainly read into what happened in 47.
49:48He's been pretty good at keeping it very close to the best.
49:52But word is that we might get some more information
49:55officially through the political process.
49:58The political process is going to continue.
50:01There are dedicated people in Washington, DC,
50:04elected officials,
50:05who are not going to let go of this issue.
50:08There are people like us at MUFON.
50:12We've had over 300 meetings with staffers
50:14and sitting Congress people.
50:16We're providing quarterly briefings
50:18to the House and Senate Intelligence Committees
50:22about the things that are coming in to us.
50:26We're working very closely with some members.
50:28And then Danny Sheehan and the New Paradigm Institute
50:32is doing work with helping to craft legislation
50:36and helping to bridge some of these gaps
50:39that are coming up.
50:40For instance, if you're a aerospace contractor
50:45and you received certain materials
50:48that allowed you to develop a piece of technology,
50:52the way Chuck Schumer wrote his bill,
50:55that would fall under eminent domain.
50:57The government would have the right
50:59to seize that technology, own the technology.
51:02And the aerospace companies are like,
51:05no, that's our technology.
51:07So how do we solve this problem?
51:09How do we protect our patents
51:11without bringing in antitrust laws
51:14and all kinds of other issues that are involved with,
51:19we got this information and this material,
51:20our competitor didn't, it gave us an illegal edge.
51:24So there's all kinds of weird legalities
51:27and complications that are involved
51:30beyond just should we tell humanity?
51:33And all of this stuff has to be worked out.
51:35And these conversations I know for a fact
51:37are happening behind closed doors.
51:39How do we protect the people
51:41that went to potentially illegal lengths to cover this up?
51:46How do we protect our companies?
51:48And so it's very, very complex,
51:51but it's all being discussed.
51:53And so we're gonna see that
51:54through the political process begin to unfold.
51:58So that's one element of it,
52:00but we're also going to see
52:01an increase in experiencer phenomenon,
52:05an increase in experiencers actually being validated
52:08with different forms of scientific proof.
52:11And we are going to see a increased presence
52:15of non-human intelligence.
52:18Ron, thank you so much for your time.
52:20This has been a great interview.
52:21I look forward to your upcoming film
52:23and I encourage everybody to check out Accidental Truth
52:25if you haven't seen it yet.
52:26Very good movie,
52:28documenting a lot of what's happened up until very recently.
52:31So do please give that a watch.
52:32We'll have links to those in the description for the video.
52:35Any parting words before we wrap it up?
52:38Yeah, I'm not trying to plug MUFON,
52:41but this organization has been around for 55 years
52:44and we've done more to advance the topic
52:47through a civilian effort than anybody else.
52:50And we've got our TV channel,
52:52we've got local chapters and meetings.
52:55I encourage everybody to go and sign up for MUFON
52:58and become a part of it
52:59because you can help us support our work at Washington, DC.
53:02We're there, we're lobbying,
53:04we have the ear of Congress
53:06and we need help and members all over the world.
53:09Our membership's at an all-time high
53:11and we have so much to offer.
53:13If you care about the UFO topic,
53:15you'll find your community inside of MUFON
53:18and it doesn't cost much to be a part of it
53:20and you can literally be a part of history.
53:23So check out MUFON.
53:25We're also working with the New Paradigm Institute
53:28and we'll soon be putting out some packages
53:30where you can actually participate in both groups.
53:33And yeah, it's a really exciting time.
53:36And for people that need community
53:38to help digest this reality,
53:41consider signing up for MUFON.
53:43Excellent.
53:44Keep up the amazing work
53:45and I can't wait to see where this leads.
53:47Thanks, man.
53:48All right, take care.