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PECA Act Amendment Bill 2025 | The Reporters | Khawar Ghumman CH Ghulam Hussain 23rd January 2025
PECA Act Amendment Bill 2025 | The Reporters | Khawar Ghumman CH Ghulam Hussain 23rd January 2025
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, dear viewers, welcome to the program.
00:20Dear viewers, the case that is going on in the Supreme Court today, as you know, a judicial
00:25order was terminated through an administrative order.
00:28We will talk about the development of the case and where the case is going.
00:33The second story is Muzakirat.
00:35As you know, Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaaf has put a demand on Muzakirat that until the commission
00:40is not made, we will not sit in the fourth round of the meeting.
00:45We will talk about whether Muzakirat will move forward or not.
00:50But our first story today is that a new law is going to be made by the current government.
00:56And what is the purpose of that law?
00:59And according to the fake news, the government thinks that a new law is needed.
01:04And after the announcement of this law, it has been passed by the National Assembly today.
01:10The various journalistic organizations have given a very strict reaction to it.
01:15So this is the first story.
01:17Viewers, basically, if we give a little reference to history, then for the first time this PICA
01:22law was passed in 2016.
01:25It was the government of Pakistan Muslim League Noon.
01:28I remember that at that time, the government of Pakistan Muslim League Noon was on one side
01:31and all the other parties in the opposition, including People's Party, PTI, JIOF and other
01:36small parties, they said that do not make a law because if you make a law, it will be
01:41used against you.
01:43I remember, at that time, I was working for an English newspaper.
01:47I covered the proceedings.
01:50The law was made because the party in the government thinks that making a law is our
01:55right and what we think, what we understand, that is the right thing.
02:00After that, when the government of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaaf came with the same law, they
02:05made some new amendments to it.
02:07They made some new amendments to it according to taste.
02:13The government of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaaf was in the government and the rest of the
02:18political parties were in the opposition.
02:21What did they say?
02:23First of all, let me show you the tweet of our current Prime Minister, Respected Shahbaz
02:28Sharif.
02:29At that time, how did he address these amendments?
02:32I remember that at that time, the government of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaaf was in the government
02:37of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaaf.
02:38Let me show you the tweet of our current Prime Minister, Respected Shahbaz Sharif.
02:41Let me show you the tweet of our current Prime Minister, Respected Shahbaz Sharif.
02:44So-called defamation amendments to PIKA promulgated by Presidential Ordinance shows the real fascist
02:51face of the ruling clique.
02:53After imposing curbs on mainstream media, they are out to muzzle social media.
02:58But can they go against the currents of time?
03:01Can truth be hidden?
03:04He said a very good thing that truth cannot be hidden.
03:07The curbs imposed on social media by a fascist government, he addressed Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaaf
03:13at that time.
03:14There will be no benefit from this.
03:16You will not be able to hide the truth.
03:19At that time, there were statements of various leaders of the current party parties of Pakistan.
03:27Let me show you that too.
03:34The government has neither the courage to pass nor, God willing, will we let it pass.
03:40With a complete clarification of Mian Nawaz Sharif, he ordered us to attend you and assure
03:46you on his and your wedding that God willing, we will be present at this war.
03:54You heard Respected Nawaz Sharif.
03:56Then we spoke to Merjeem Shahbaz.
04:30I will remember this promise even that day.
04:32In my opinion, there is no need to regulate the media and we are standing with you.
04:38This was Marjum Sahiba's statement when she was in the opposition.
04:42Marjum Aurangzeb became the Information Minister later.
04:45Today, she is the senior minister of Punjab.
04:47She also had similar thoughts.
04:49If you criticize and spread any news, you will be behind bars for 5 years.
04:54According to this law, Mr. Imran Khan wants to blind, mute and deafen 22 crore people,
04:58the media, political opponents who criticize their unethical, inhumane, theft, looting and corruption.
05:08The black law is for silence and every law that strengthens freedom of expression is against it.
05:17Mr. Ahsan Iqbal is the current senior minister of Punjab.
05:21He also criticized the law made by Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaad.
05:27The attack on the media, that the voice should be silenced, no one should speak the truth,
05:35If this conspiracy and the ordinance to control the media is successful,
05:44then there will be the death of the constitution and democracy in Pakistan.
05:49The Pika law was a black law.
05:51You have issued the blackest ordinance and proved that you do not believe in democracy.
06:00You cannot tolerate disagreement.
06:03Mr. Ahsan Iqbal used to go to the camp of journalists and sit there on a daily basis.
06:11Khawaja Saad Rafiq also believes in democracy.
06:15He also says that freedom of expression should be there.
06:19The ordinance is based on malice.
06:21They are making a defensive wall around themselves with black legislation.
06:24So that when it is their turn, no one can ask them.
06:27The whole legislation has been reversed.
06:30Mr. Bilawal Bhutto Zardari was also not left behind.
06:34And now the news is that the government has supported the current law.
06:38This law that is going to be passed is an attack on freedom of the press.
06:45It is a robbery on democracy.
06:48It is an attack on freedom of the press.
06:51It is an economic attack.
06:53It is an attempt to take away their employment from journalists.
06:58First of all, we will take you to the National Assembly.
07:02Our Deputy Bureau Chief is present there.
07:04Today's proceedings took place there.
07:06Journalists also boycotted from there.
07:09Let's talk to them too.
07:11But first I will ask Mr. Hassan Youb.
07:13Hassan, I have some old news in front of me.
07:16I have shown and told you all that.
07:18So what do you think, was this necessary in the current situation?
07:23Absolutely necessary.
07:24The one who spreads lies should be under the law.
07:27The one who spreads fake news, propagandizes, is involved in terrorism, cyber warfare.
07:33Like PTI, I was telling you that you will be attacked on social media.
07:37There will be an attack on Pakistan.
07:39So if you are doing this, then all this is being prepared for it.
07:42This arrangement, all the social media of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf will be attacked.
07:47I had told you about this 15-20 days ago.
07:50After that, regarding the human rights violations, they have formed a committee.
07:55Some of them are foreigners, some of them are from Pakistan.
07:57Mr. Kasar is also a part of it.
07:58No, I think Mr. Panchota is also a part of it.
08:00So what is that?
08:01Third thing.
08:02Look, the law, you say, on one hand you say that the government does not care about any law.
08:10They are kidnapping people from their homes.
08:12So it is not wrong to be a law.
08:14The law should not be misused.
08:16And if there is a regulatory authority in the law.
08:19And if there is terrorism in Pakistan, if there is an attack on Pakistan's cyberspace.
08:23And if there is any material that harms Pakistan.
08:26And the relevant social media app can be regulated by the government.
08:30Or that material can be removed.
08:32So there is nothing wrong in this.
08:34What the PFUJ has objected to.
08:36Today a walkout has also been made from there.
08:38I will give my example.
08:40The threats that were given to me.
08:42So the president of the PFUJ, he was also present in that committee.
08:47We were sitting in that meeting.
08:49The minister of information was there.
08:50The PIO was there.
08:51And he said that a portal will be made.
08:54In which the things that will be done to deceive the journalists will be done by the PFUJ.
08:59I have not seen that portal of the PFUJ till date.
09:02So if it harms my family or me.
09:05Then I am just waiting for the PFUJ to do something.
09:09If he commits cyber crime.
09:12Threatens me on social media.
09:14Then he should be in the grip of the law.
09:16Mr. Farooq, you heard from Mr. Hassan Youb that I was also given a lot of threats.
09:22Obviously, he has also registered a protest in this regard.
09:27So tell me, when the journalists there boycotted this.
09:32What was the basic point?
09:34There is a law, there is a need for law.
09:36There is a danger of terrorism in the country through social media.
09:40So it is being tried to stop it.
09:42I think if Mr. Hassan Youb had shared some talking points with Mr. Tariq.
09:46Then he could have answered your questions more effectively.
09:49I think he needs more preparation from this question.
09:54Mr. Tariq.
09:55Yes, Mr. Farooq.
09:57What was the point?
09:58Mr. Khawaj, when this bill was being passed by the National Assembly.
10:04At that time, the journalist also boycotted the press gallery.
10:07And also protested.
10:08When the Minister of Culture came there.
10:10And he also kept his word.
10:11The basic concern of the journalists is that the authority that is being made.
10:16Or the law that is being made.
10:17Its use will be wrong.
10:19And the chisel will be sharpened.
10:21The freedom of the media will be threatened.
10:23Especially with respect to print media, electronic media and social media.
10:28So the reservations in this regard were of the journalists.
10:31The Minister of Culture had to say that electronic and print media.
10:35There is no danger for them.
10:39This is just a social media area.
10:41Which has increased to a large extent.
10:44Especially fake news.
10:46But there were reservations of the journalists.
10:49What will be the history of fake news?
10:52So no journalist will be able to report freely in this way.
10:58Anyway, this government made a decision.
11:01And as this bill was presented yesterday.
11:04Today, the committee passed it.
11:07And today there was no agenda.
11:09Today the National Assembly approved it.
11:11Tomorrow the Senate will also approve it.
11:12So this law is now going to be made.
11:14But the reservations are of the journalists.
11:16And the reservations have also been made in front of the Minister of Culture.
11:20And the various parties that the journalists have.
11:23By the way, Mr. Malik, you did not tell Mr. Tariq.
11:26Nowadays, any news, whether it is newspaper or television channel.
11:31So every media house has its own website.
11:34Digital media.
11:35So that news goes there too.
11:37So this is a distinction.
11:39How will they say that this news is not printed.
11:41This is digital media.
11:43Suppose all the big newspapers of Pakistan are available on their digital media.
11:48But anyway, thank you very much.
11:50We have invited Lala Asad Pathan.
11:53We know from him that he has been a part of all the movements in Pakistan.
11:59In terms of media.
12:02He has also served on senior positions in PFUJ.
12:05Today, when this law was passed, in response to it, the Joint Action Committee.
12:10He has rejected it of all the journalistic organizations.
12:15And he is saying that this statement.
12:17He said that these members have not been shared with any draft as yet.
12:23Before studying this draft, none of the JEC members are in a position to comment on proposed amendments.
12:30JEC requests the government not to pass any amendments to the bill.
12:35Without proper consultation with all stakeholders.
12:38Pakistan Federal Union of Journalists is included in this.
12:41All Pakistan Newspapers Society is included in this.
12:43APNS.
12:44Council of Pakistan Newspapers Editors.
12:46CPNE is included in this.
12:48Association of Electronic Media Editors and News Directors Amendment is also included in this.
12:53And Pakistan Broadcast Association PBA.
12:56Mr. Chaudhary Glam Singh.
12:58Let me take Mr. Lala with me.
13:00Then I will come to you.
13:01You can also ask questions.
13:02Mr. Lala, there are so many associations.
13:06Even they are not understanding.
13:08That there is a lot of work being done in Pakistan for a good purpose.
13:12There is a lot of fake news.
13:15At least, what I have also proved.
13:17There are already forums.
13:19If any news is wrong.
13:21At some level, the government can also take action against it.
13:24There are also relevant institutions.
13:26Journalists have their own forums.
13:29So, how are you looking at this law?
13:34Thank you, Mr. Khawar.
13:35As a private employee of Pakistan Federal Union of Journalists.
13:39I would like to tell the rulers on the basis of your program.
13:42Whenever black laws are passed in this country.
13:45They are done in this way.
13:47Whenever public-friendly laws are passed.
13:50There is a debate on them.
13:52Different stakeholders are given confidence in it.
13:55And this morning, when I was in the meeting from Karachi on Zoom.
13:59And the rest of our colleagues of PFJ.
14:02They were directly in the meeting with the Minister of Information, Atta Tarar in Islamabad.
14:06So, there too, we told them the same thing.
14:09Why is it so unfair?
14:11If you want to make laws, then the laws should be made.
14:13The good laws should be made.
14:15But if there is any kind of trolling on the mother and sister of the rulers.
14:22They are so holy that the law should be made night and day.
14:26And their opponents should be crushed.
14:28And those who speak should be crushed.
14:30And on the journalists of this country.
14:32Whether they are women journalists.
14:34Or gents journalists.
14:35Other than that, other political workers.
14:37Common Pakistani, who are 25 crore Pakistanis.
14:39They have to go through various kinds of blackmailing and other problems.
14:42Because of social media.
14:44Who will make laws for them?
14:46Whatever laws have been made before.
14:48They have always been made for the rulers.
14:50They have been made for their protection.
14:52And the ruling party makes such black laws for its protection.
14:55And through that.
14:57The other part of them is that.
14:59They control the national media.
15:01And the original media.
15:03And suppress the journalists.
15:05In the same way.
15:07The media is going through the worst censorship.
15:09In the current government.
15:11And if such laws are brought.
15:13Then who will talk after that?
15:15If you bring every news in the circle of fake news.
15:17And throw them in front of tribunals and courts.
15:19And put them in jails.
15:21Then who will do TV programs?
15:23Who will write columns in newspapers?
15:25How will they give news?
15:27Other than that.
15:29The journalist never tells his source.
15:31So what source will I tell in front of the tribunal tomorrow?
15:33Or what source will Hassan Ayub tell in front of the tribunal?
15:35The problem is that.
15:37Those who are doing agenda journalism here.
15:39They should have this problem.
15:41They should think about it.
15:43But here.
15:45All the political parties have media cells.
15:47On one side.
15:49The political workers on one side.
15:51Are abusing on the other side.
15:53And if a journalist.
15:55Is speaking for this country.
15:57Is speaking for the people of this country.
15:59Is speaking for the people of this country.
16:01The Quran party is abusing.
16:03I will ask you more questions.
16:05Chaudhry Ghulam Jain.
16:07This news has been published in all newspapers today.
16:09On fake news.
16:11For 3 years.
16:1320 lakh fine.
16:15In the assembly.
16:17This news has been covered.
16:19In all newspapers.
16:21It has been explained.
16:23Express newspaper.
16:25It is the same news.
16:27Changes to cyber crime law.
16:29Unveiled amid protest.
16:31You have seen this too.
16:33Chaudhry Ghulam Jain.
16:35You have a long experience.
16:37All across.
16:39Political parties.
16:41They think.
16:43That the media.
16:45Has come out too much.
16:47They try to fight.
16:49With their teeth.
16:51So this law.
16:53You think.
16:55There is no one against legalization.
16:57There should be an objective legalization.
16:59It is very important for it.
17:01These 4-5 organizations.
17:03PFUJ, APNS, CPNI.
17:05PBA.
17:07Take them on board.
17:09Talk to their representatives.
17:11Talk to all stakeholders.
17:13What is the objective.
17:15What forums are available.
17:17What forums are not available.
17:19All these regulations.
17:21Fake news.
17:23It needs to be looked at.
17:25But the way they are doing it.
17:27What do you think about it?
17:29You have seen jail cells in the past.
17:31Chaudhry.
17:33Chaudhry, Lala Asad.
17:35His leadership.
17:37His guidance.
17:39His sacrifice.
17:41And for the journalists.
17:43Continuous efforts.
17:45And sacrifices.
17:47I salute them and their colleagues.
17:49Having said this.
17:51But my opinion is.
17:53That our.
17:55So many effective.
17:57In the presence of institutions.
17:59For the past few years.
18:01Year after year.
18:03What has happened.
18:05At least in my life.
18:07I never thought.
18:09That the freedom of expression.
18:11It will be a bad omen.
18:13I mean.
18:15I am speaking 100% truth.
18:17You call it fake.
18:19You put someone inside.
18:21Now there is no answer.
18:23There is no answer.
18:25And then your scandals come.
18:27You have eaten billions of rupees.
18:29You have eaten billions of rupees.
18:31You mention it.
18:33You call it fake.
18:35Lala Asad tell me.
18:37That you.
18:39You said Patwari.
18:41My son cried.
18:43I mean.
18:45All your efforts.
18:47Have been in vain.
18:49And all freedoms.
18:51Have been lost.
18:53And if this is not the case.
18:55Then please.
18:57You and me.
18:59And the rest of the people.
19:01Number one.
19:03Which journalist.
19:05Who wants to give fake news.
19:07I have not found any journalist.
19:09With whom I do not agree 100%.
19:11That they.
19:13They look for their facts.
19:15They look for scandals.
19:17They look for news.
19:19They make their analysis.
19:21This is their right.
19:23You call it fake.
19:25Because it does not go in your favor.
19:27And the last thing I will talk about.
19:29If anyone feels bad or good.
19:31By depriving these freedoms.
19:33No one has been able to vote.
19:35And neither his government.
19:37And nor can he save his skin.
19:39Yes Lala Asad.
19:41You people.
19:43It seems that you have become a little weak.
19:45Your people.
19:47They do not know.
19:49What Mr. Chaudhary thinks.
19:51What I understand.
19:53I have heard Mr. Chaudhary.
19:55And I would like to answer Mr. Chaudhary.
19:57In this regard.
19:59Mr. Chaudhary.
20:01There is no doubt.
20:03Pakistan Federal Union of Journalists.
20:05And all our other institutions.
20:07In which PBA is there.
20:09And the rest of our two colleagues.
20:11Our Joint Action Committee.
20:13There is also a debate on it.
20:15PFJ has made it.
20:17This whole black law.
20:19We have made it.
20:21And yesterday.
20:23All our UJs.
20:25A high level.
20:27The meeting has been requested.
20:29In which all of us.
20:31PFJ and all of our UJs.
20:33Presidents and secretaries.
20:35They will be included in the meeting.
20:37And we will decide there.
20:39That we are moving against it.
20:41You should remember.
20:43Before this.
20:45In the era of Mr. Khan.
20:47With regard to this black law.
20:49We had protested in front of the Parliament.
20:51Even now we will go to any such action.
20:53Because we had sent this message to the Prime Minister.
20:55Through the Minister of Loyalty.
20:57That God willing.
20:59If you want to make any law good.
21:01Then discuss it with all stakeholders first.
21:03And then decide on it.
21:05We are not against any law.
21:07Law should be made.
21:09But it should be made for the people.
21:11It should not be made for the rulers.
21:1325 crore people.
21:15Do not let them reach any truth.
21:17In the name of law.
21:19You should strangle the media of Pakistan.
21:21And I request the owners of PBA.
21:23That today.
21:25The Prime Minister.
21:27And the Minister of Loyalty.
21:29Who was trying to sell them a churan.
21:31That we will give space to national media.
21:33To regional media.
21:35How will you give space?
21:37You took away all the space.
21:39And gave it to social media.
21:41Now all the national media.
21:43Electronic media, print media.
21:45When there is a divert on social media.
21:47Then you.
21:49You want to put pressure on it.
21:51What does it mean?
21:53It means.
21:55You want to put Pakistan in a jail.
21:57Your answer has come.
21:59You want to put Pakistan in a jail.
22:01Hassan.
22:03I want to ask one thing.
22:05As you are saying.
22:07Fake news is not acceptable for you.
22:09For PFUJ.
22:11You mean PFUJ.
22:13If a person criticizes me.
22:15I am a journalist.
22:17Calls me with a bad title.
22:19Or calls me a liar.
22:21Or calls a journalist a liar.
22:23This is not an appropriate way.
22:25Either he is a liar.
22:27Or he is a liar.
22:29This should be proven.
22:31I will answer this question.
22:33After a short break.
22:35I will come to you.
22:43Lala Hassan.
22:45If someone calls you a journalist.
22:47Then.
22:49He should be punished.
22:51For at least 3 years.
22:53There should be no less punishment.
22:55If someone.
22:57If someone is an honourable person.
22:59If he is a good journalist.
23:01If he is an honest journalist.
23:03If he is called a journalist.
23:05Does he have the right to say this?
23:07I am asking the question.
23:09If he is saying this.
23:11Which forum should I go to?
23:13Yes Lala Sahib.
23:15The biggest problem.
23:17Is of all our political parties.
23:19The major political parties.
23:21Who have their media sales.
23:23And social media handlers.
23:25If no one talks about their will.
23:27They start trolling against them.
23:29We have laws on this issue.
23:31We can go to them.
23:33But tell me.
23:35The free journalism we do.
23:37We don't do it under any agenda.
23:39I have been in journalism for 29 years.
23:41I have never done any agenda journalism.
23:43I have never been a political party worker.
23:45In any program.
23:47Or anywhere.
23:49I have never written anything for it.
23:51I have never supported any political party.
23:53On social media.
23:55But whenever.
23:57We get pressure from any institution.
23:59That you should stand somewhere.
24:01We don't do it.
24:03There is an army.
24:05That starts cursing us.
24:07Even after we get famous.
24:09There will be a brigade against us.
24:11I will never demand.
24:13That someone should be punished for 3 years.
24:15Or 5 years.
24:17If we keep giving this space.
24:19After that.
24:21God is the guardian of journalism.
24:23We should close these shops.
24:25We should do some other business.
24:27Till when.
24:29If someone has insulted you.
24:31There are laws for that.
24:33We should close the doors of the courts.
24:35They have punished us.
24:37Why should we make new laws.
24:39And strengthen the hands of these rulers.
24:41PFJJ made a portal.
24:43To harass the journalists.
24:45To harass the journalists.
24:47PFJJ made a portal.
24:49PID.
24:51He is a representative of PFJJ.
24:53He is the president of PFJJ.
24:55He is sitting in Karachi.
24:57He is a representative of PFJJ.
24:59Why didn't they make it?
25:01All the commitments.
25:03PFJJ made a portal.
25:05Within 3 days.
25:07And now.
25:09PFJJ is sleeping.
25:11Am I not a journalist?
25:13No.
25:15You are a journalist.
25:17All of us are journalists.
25:19All the abuses.
25:21I have been abused more than you.
25:23I have never.
25:25Demanded a portal.
25:27I have never demanded a portal.
25:29I have never demanded a portal.
25:31I have never demanded a portal.
25:33I have never demanded a portal.
25:35I have never demanded a portal.
25:37I have never demanded a portal.
25:39I have never demanded a portal.
25:41I have never demanded a portal.
25:43I have never demanded a portal.
25:45I have never demanded a portal.
25:47I have never demanded a portal.
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25:51I have never demanded a portal.
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25:55I have never demanded a portal.
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26:01I have never demanded a portal.
26:03I have never demanded a portal.
26:05I have never demanded a portal.
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26:11I have never demanded a portal.
26:13I have never demanded a portal.
26:15I have never demanded a portal.
26:17I have never demanded a portal.
26:19I have never demanded a portal.
26:21I have never demanded a portal.
26:23I have never demanded a portal.
26:25I have never demanded a portal.
26:27I have never demanded a portal.
26:29I have never demanded a portal.
26:31I have never demanded a portal.
26:33I have never demanded a portal.
26:35I have never demanded a portal.
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26:43I have never demanded a portal.
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26:47I have never demanded a portal.
26:49I have never demanded a portal.
26:51I have never demanded a portal.
26:53I have never demanded a portal.
26:55I have never demanded a portal.
26:57I have never demanded a portal.
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27:01I have never demanded a portal.
27:03I have never demanded a portal.
27:05I have never demanded a portal.
27:07I have never demanded a portal.
27:09I have never demanded a portal.
27:11I have never demanded a portal.
27:13I have never demanded a portal.
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27:23We have 7-8 different parties,
27:25People's Party,
27:27MQM, BNP,
27:29PMLQ, PMLZ,
27:31Tehreek-e-Istikam.
27:33All these people will come together
27:35and reach a conclusion.
27:37This is not our one committee
27:39that the government or PMLN
27:41will issue a decision.
27:43The government
27:45gave a date of 28th February,
27:47sorry January,
27:49that on 28th our work will be completed.
27:51The government gave a date of 28th February,
27:53that on 28th our work will be completed.
27:55We have made a sub-committee
27:57and that sub-committee
27:59is preparing
28:01each and every word
28:03and each and every point.
28:05In the next meeting
28:07we will present the answer
28:09to them and then
28:11we will sit down and discuss.
28:13When is the next meeting expected?
28:15On 28th,
28:17we had discussed
28:19and after working day
28:21we will meet you.
28:23So Mr. Chaudhary Ghamidi,
28:25after the statements
28:27that we have heard today,
28:29should we end the jokes?
28:31I was listening to
28:33Mr. Irfan Siddiqui's statement
28:35that we will answer on 28th,
28:37if Tehreek-e-Insaf
28:39ends on their side,
28:41we will continue the jokes
28:43and we will answer on 28th.
28:45Listen to what he is saying.
28:47We are talking about
28:49our country,
28:51parliamentary traditions,
28:53national interest,
28:55political independence.
28:57Does it affect our health or not?
28:59This is a different thing.
29:01We were moving towards
29:03the success of that action
29:05which he started.
29:07It is sad that he left
29:09that action incomplete.
29:11He should have listened to our answer.
29:13If he has knocked on our door
29:15and asked us what we think
29:17about that action,
29:19we will say no,
29:21we will accept it,
29:23we will make a commission
29:25and we will make
29:27whatever you say.
29:29At least wait and answer.
29:31Mr. Chaudhary.
29:35No,
29:37it seems that
29:39this is not a deadlock
29:41but a dead end.
29:43But it cannot be said
29:45that before our discussion
29:47ends, the government will
29:49change its plan.
29:51No, we will make a commission
29:53and we will talk about it.
29:55Because the government
29:57is not in a position
29:59of power and strength.
30:01If you take their name
30:032-3 times,
30:05they will not answer.
30:07It does not mean that
30:09your allegations
30:11have been proven.
30:13They should have
30:15clinched this
30:17and finished it
30:19by sitting and discussing
30:21on the principle of
30:23taking and giving.
30:25We have seen this in the past
30:27that such jokes...
30:29Mr. Chaudhary, we have
30:31informed you.
30:33You said that you will continue
30:35and make a commission.
30:37I said that
30:39you will have to accept
30:41the demands of the PTI.
30:43If not today, then tomorrow.
30:45This is my position.
30:47I do not have any expectations
30:49from this committee.
30:51Hassan, what news do you have?
30:53The government has said
30:55that if it is made,
30:57it will continue.
30:59We have already given
31:01a deadline of 28th.
31:03If they say that
31:05before 28th,
31:07I wore this cardigan
31:09and this shirt
31:11and this glasses.
31:13I said that
31:15Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf
31:17has made a plan.
31:19This is plan A and plan B.
31:21Plan A is to
31:23gain time till 20th.
31:25After 20th,
31:27President Trump will
31:29take over his office.
31:31After that, he will attack
31:33Pakistan digitally.
31:35He wants to use
31:37all his Youtubers
31:39and social media activists.
31:41You said that
31:43you will call
31:45the translator of KPK.
31:47The translator also brought
31:49a sheet.
31:51You said that
31:53he will fund billions of rupees.
31:55Sir, will he bring the documents
31:57or will we show them?
31:59I have the documents.
32:01He has put his digital media
32:03directorate in November.
32:05He has made it now.
32:09The government also gave you
32:112 billion rupees.
32:13Listen to the second thing.
32:15Mr. Imran Khan has been
32:17punished for 14 years.
32:19The government is not in a position
32:21to give NRO.
32:23Now he will have to appeal.
32:25Mr. Imran Khan has stopped
32:27the negotiations because
32:29he wants to go to jail.
32:31Let's go to a short break.
32:33Viewers, let me tell you that
32:35there is no option
32:37other than negotiations.
32:39You will see the rest.
32:41It will not make a difference.
32:43Pakistan has to climb a ladder.
32:45This political battle will end.
32:47After the break, we will talk
32:49about the current affairs
32:51in the Supreme Court.
33:01Viewers, the Supreme Court
33:03is discussing the right
33:05to make benches.
33:07Today, the case was heard
33:09again.
33:11We heard the remarks.
33:13Justice Mansoor Ali Shah
33:15is heading this bench.
33:17He asked if the judicial order
33:19can be changed from the administrative side.
33:21He has been asking this question
33:23since the first day.
33:25He also said that if the Judicial
33:27Order is ignored, the case
33:29can go to the Supreme Court.
33:31He asked this question to the
33:33other witnesses.
33:35He also said that if the
33:37order of 16th January is wrong,
33:39will it not be challenged
33:41at the Judicial Forum?
33:43He also asked this question.
33:45He also said that if the full court
33:47is heard, what is the problem?
33:49Whether the full court is made or not
33:51is the decision of the Chief Justice.
33:53Chief Justice Mansoor Ali Shah
33:55is our special correspondent.
33:57What do you think?
33:59When will the decision be made?
34:01The witnesses were also there.
34:03Khawaja Kharif, Ahsan Boon,
34:05Hamid Khan, Malik.
34:07What happened today?
34:09All the witnesses
34:11were there.
34:13Hamid Khan,
34:15with his arguments,
34:17then Ahsan Boon,
34:19then Waqfah.
34:21After Waqfah, Khawaja Kharif
34:23then Ahsan Boon,
34:25then Mansoor Ali.
34:27All these people
34:29supported this case.
34:31The bench asked two questions
34:33repeatedly.
34:35When a case
34:37comes to the bench,
34:39does the Judges Committee
34:41in the Supreme Court of Pakistan
34:43have the authority
34:45to withdraw the case?
34:47On this,
34:49Hamid Khan Advocate said
34:51that the committee
34:53has no authority to withdraw the case.
34:55Whereas, Ahsan Boon
34:57and Khawaja Kharif
34:59said in their arguments
35:01that the court
35:03can withdraw the case from the bench.
35:05The committee also has the authority
35:07to withdraw the case.
35:09Apart from this,
35:11if we talk about today's hearing,
35:13the most interesting sentences
35:15were when Ahsan Boon
35:17came to Rostrum,
35:19the sentences exchanged
35:21and the dialogue
35:23was very interesting.
35:25When Ahsan Boon
35:27came to Rostrum,
35:29he was thanked
35:31by Justice Mansoor Ali Shah.
35:33Ahsan Boon said
35:35that why are you thanking me?
35:37Justice Mansoor Ali Shah said
35:39that you are a great advocate
35:41of Pakistan.
35:43Therefore, we thank you
35:45on behalf of Pakistan.
35:47When Ahsan Boon started his arguments,
35:49he said that all the
35:51court decisions in this case
35:53have become invalid
35:55after the 26th amendment.
35:57You are a part of the Judicial Committee.
35:59Whether you sit or not is a different matter.
36:01On this,
36:03Justice Mansoor Ali Shah said
36:05that he is a member of the Judicial Commission.
36:07Ahsan Boon said that
36:09judges are also being
36:11appointed in the Judicial Commission.
36:13Justice Mansoor Ali Shah said
36:15that the judges we nominate
36:17get 11 votes.
36:19The rest of the judges get 11 votes.
36:21Such statements were exchanged
36:23between the two.
36:25Ahsan Boon referred to some
36:27court decisions and said
36:29that in the past,
36:31some decisions were
36:33very irregular.
36:35Justice Mansoor Ali Shah said
36:37that in the past,
36:39the decisions of your special sessions
36:41are still being made.
36:43Justice Mansoor Ali Shah also said
36:45that in the past,
36:47the articles in the name of
36:49Tashreeh were made invalid.
36:51Justice Mansoor Ali Shah said
36:53that there is nothing like this now.
36:55Everything is fine in the present.
36:57Ahsan Boon said that
36:59what will happen in the future,
37:01you will decide.
37:03Mohsin, I want to ask you
37:05a fundamental question.
37:07Do you think that
37:09if the two benches
37:11say to make a full court,
37:13then what will be the situation?
37:15Because apparently,
37:17the cases are going in the same direction.
37:19Whatever the decision is,
37:21whether they say
37:23to make a full court or not,
37:25this decision can be challenged
37:27in the Supreme Court
37:29in front of the larger or the bigger benches.
37:31The Attorney General has refused.
37:33He said that you cannot make it.
37:35It has come from the government.
37:37He is not talking about the full court.
37:39The decision of this court,
37:41can be made in front of
37:43five or four benches.
37:45The decision can be made in front of
37:47three or four benches.
37:49Earlier, the decision was not made
37:51in front of 13 benches,
37:53it was made in front of 2 benches.
37:55This is an important point.
37:57This matter can be made
37:59in front of a large bench
38:01in the form of an appeal.
38:03As far as making a full court is concerned,
38:05there have been very interesting
38:07arguments on this today.
38:09In the remarks, it was said
38:11that the full court
38:13is not a bench.
38:15The Judges Committee can make benches.
38:17As far as the question of full court is concerned,
38:19full court is not a bench.
38:21It is the Chief Justice of Pakistan's
38:23right to convene a full court.
38:25We send it to the Chief Justice of Pakistan.
38:27After that, whether they make it or not,
38:29it is their right.
38:31Absolutely right.
38:33Mohsin, the Judges Committee
38:35could have been given a notice
38:37that they will not give a full court.
38:39It was also said by the court.
38:41Mr. Nazar Abbas said
38:43that he was made a sacrifice goat.
38:45Mr. Sakeel Abasi said
38:47that he has no interest in insulting the court.
38:49What is the solution?
38:51Mr. Sakeel Abasi's
38:53interview with the Attorney General.
38:55Mr. Attorney General,
38:57the insulting of the court is limited.
38:59If you want to get out of the insulting of the court,
39:01then the matter should be sent to the Chief Justice.
39:03Mr. Attorney General Mansoor Awan.
39:05The matter of insulting the court is over.
39:07Will it be sent to anyone?
39:09The additional registrar,
39:11Mr. Nazar Abbas,
39:13has been given an answer.
39:15In his answer,
39:17he said that
39:19it was a mistake.
39:21As a result of that mistake,
39:23he has also been OSD.
39:25This matter is a little
39:27ahead of the insulting of the court.
39:29This is a matter of full court.
39:31Mohsin, if there is an insulting of the court,
39:33then the matter is between
39:35a contender and a court.
39:37The matter cannot go beyond that.
39:39The matter is between a contender and a court.
39:41He has apologised.
39:43Then the matter cannot go beyond that.
39:45He has said that I have not...
39:47Then it will go with the law.
39:49Till when will his judgement come?
39:51What is the news?
39:53The matter is related to the
39:55reform of the constitution.
39:57It is fixed in the Supreme Court of Pakistan for next week.
39:59So, most likely,
40:01it will come in two days.
40:03Mohsin, thank you very much.
40:05See you tomorrow. Allah Hafiz.