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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, dear viewers, I welcome you to the program.
00:14Today is Friday and this week's last program.
00:16Mr. Chaudhry Ghulam Sahin from Lahore and Mr. Hassan Ayyub is with us in Islamabad.
00:20Mr. Naqvi was not able to join us today due to personal reasons.
00:26Dear viewers, today we have two big news in Pakistan and one good news.
00:31PIA has resumed its European flights.
00:36Today, the first flight has gone to France.
00:41It will land in Paris.
00:42And you know that after four and a half years since we were banned, the resumption of flights has taken place again.
00:51You know that the former PM of Pakistan, Ghulam Sarwakh Khan, raised questions that our pilots have a license.
01:05His vetting process is not right.
01:07In so many words, he said that he has a license and it is JAL.
01:10Obviously, when you yourself say that our pilots are not right, then what did the world say?
01:15That you are putting your pilots on planes without training.
01:19After that, this scrutiny process started.
01:22Obviously, during this time, when all our routes were closed, the loss was also very severe.
01:29The government is claiming that a loss of one billion rupees was made.
01:33So, this is a big development today.
01:36And viewers from the other corner of the world, Los Angeles, California, which is the largest state of the United States.
01:46In terms of politics, they have the most electoral votes.
01:50And in terms of their economy, which drives the American economy, it is the state of California.
01:55There, the fire in Los Angeles, viewers, the bushfire started.
02:01After that, they covered the residential areas.
02:08Viewers, when you see, then you understand that the law of nature, the existence of God, if it is saved, then a person is saved.
02:17Such incidents, a person can think in movies, if a bomb has fallen somewhere, then in such a large number and in such a heavy magnitude, you can see the fire.
02:27But this is obvious there, the jungles caught fire.
02:30And all the areas were burnt to the ground.
02:34Literally, viewers, when you see that footage, then a person touches his ears.
02:39Mr. Ghulam, I will start today's program with you.
02:42First of all, tell me how are you?
02:44Welcome back to the studio.
02:46This is a good development.
02:48At that time, the previous government's action, I think, will be remembered.
02:54The way Ghulam Sarwar Khan gave that statement.
02:57I have said that action.
02:59In my opinion, there should be a thorough investigation on this.
03:04Why did Ghulam Sarwar Khan give that statement?
03:08And after that, viewers, this is the same Ghulam Sarwar Khan, who was in PTI.
03:12After that, he joined Ali Mukhan's party.
03:18In Istiqam-e-Pakistan.
03:19In Istiqam-e-Pakistan.
03:20And his circle is formed.
03:22Hassan Ayyub's.
03:23From there, I said that he lost the election.
03:25Mr. Ghulam, development in America and Pakistan is obvious.
03:29This is a good development.
03:30Your thoughts.
03:33No, what can I comment on the development of America?
03:37Allah has caused such an unforeseen disaster.
03:409000 houses have been burnt.
03:43Many billions of dollars are being lost.
03:46There will be a lot of details now.
03:48And a very posh area has been burnt.
03:50You are absolutely right.
03:54However, it is good that the PIA has resumed flights to Europe.
04:01So, it is not a small thing.
04:04We are happy as Pakistanis.
04:07And secondly, we will be happy if PIA stands on its feet.
04:12And you don't have 200 planes.
04:16And you have 20,000 people.
04:18So, control these things.
04:20There was a time when I saw that there were 500,000 people.
04:28I went back 40-45 years.
04:32And PIA was a big airline in the world.
04:37And even today, so many passengers come and go from Pakistan.
04:41Even if you don't get any travel from outside.
04:44Then one airline is not enough for Pakistanis.
04:47Many airlines are needed.
04:49So, it will be a long story.
04:51Hats off to those who have played a big role.
04:54PIA is going back to Europe.
04:57It is a big and good development.
05:00We hope that the privatization process has started again.
05:07And it is an E&Y company.
05:09It is a consultancy firm.
05:11We hope that the resumption of these airlines will happen again.
05:16The resumption of these routes.
05:18Which is a good development.
05:19It is a big development.
05:20If we had to pay 10 rupees instead of 80 billion.
05:23Hopefully, the price will go up.
05:25Let's see.
05:26There are market trends.
05:28Sometimes high, sometimes low.
05:29Let's see.
05:30But this success that we have achieved.
05:32It has been 4-4.5 years.
05:35So, we didn't get this success in a day.
05:38We created this failure in a day.
05:43Khawaja Saad Rafiq did a great job for this.
05:47He appreciated the efforts of the current defence minister.
05:54This is also a good news.
05:57The PIA route for France has been launched.
06:00God willing, the news of Canada and Britain will come soon.
06:04Another good news is that ...
06:07... the remittances that come to Pakistan in December 2024.
06:11The remittances have increased by 5.6% compared to November.
06:16In comparison to last year, the remittances have increased by 29.3%.
06:22I think the date of civil disobedience has also come to an end.
06:29Because you can see that 3.1 billion dollars were sent by Pakistanis in December 2024.
06:38Pakistan is very supportive of this.
06:40When the remittances come to Pakistan, ...
06:45... it is easy for the people and beneficial for Pakistan.
06:49Ladies and gentlemen, the civil disobedience has come to an end.
06:54Mr. Tariq-e-Ishaq has narrated his narrative that ...
06:57... Pakistan is not listening to us.
06:59So, our overseas voters, who claim to be in large numbers, ...
07:04... should stop the remittances and tell them that ...
07:07... the PIA is being abused.
07:10The government should take a soft stance.
07:17Ladies and gentlemen, the next story is about jokes.
07:21I have two or three questions in my mind.
07:24Is there a need for jokes in the country at the moment?
07:27My answer is a big yes.
07:30I have two or three questions in my mind.
07:32Is there a need for jokes in the country at the moment?
07:34Is there a need for jokes in the country at the moment?
07:38My answer is a big yes.
07:41There are statements from both sides that jokes are being abused.
07:49My answer is a big yes.
07:51Will the jokes be successful?
07:54This is the most important question.
07:56We will discuss this today.
07:59We will discuss the developments in the last 24 hours.
08:04One day ago, Barrister Gauhar said that ...
08:10... Bani has asked the government to give the demands of the government ...
08:18... without meeting them.
08:20What do we want from the Charter of Demands?
08:23We met Mr. Khan today.
08:26We met Mr. Khan today.
08:28Today, Mr. Khan has asked to give the demands in writing.
08:33We will give the demands in writing to the Pakistan Charter of Demands.
08:39Mr. Khan has also concessioned that ...
08:42... if there is no meeting of the committee, we will hold one meeting.
08:46If there is no meeting, we will hold another meeting.
08:49Hamid Reza, the spokesperson of the Pakistan Charter of Demands ...
08:54... has also said that we are going to hold a third session without meeting the committee.
09:02If we are not heard in the third session, ...
09:06... we will not be included in the fourth session.
09:11The government said that when we were asked if there were any demands of the government ...
09:16... which we asked in the first meeting, they said they would tell us in the second meeting.
09:20In the second meeting, it was said that there were no demands.
09:23We want the government to write that there are no demands of the government ...
09:27... and we will write our demands.
09:29If the third meeting of the committee is held without meeting Mr. Imran Khan ...
09:36... and the judicial commission is not formed on the 9th of May and 26th of November, ...
09:43... then the fourth meeting may not be held after that.
09:46Mr. Sadiq is the speaker of the National Assembly.
09:52Obviously, the speaker's office will arrange the logistics.
09:59The government says that when Mr. Sadiq comes to the country, ...
10:04... he will arrange everything.
10:08They asked Mr. Sadiq.
10:10Mr. Sadiq was the chair of that meeting.
10:13Mr. Sadiq said that he will arrange everything.
10:18He also gave some conditions for that meeting.
10:21He said that the meeting should be like this.
10:23We should have this facility there.
10:25All these things were to be discussed and arranged.
10:29Everyone knows about the meetings, arrangements and dates of the meetings ...
10:35... that Mr. Sadiq does all these things.
10:43It is Mr. Sadiq's fundamental responsibility to host the meeting.
10:48This was repeated by the spokesman of the Government Discussion Team ...
10:54... in front of Irfan Sadiq.
10:57The committee does not do all the facilitation work.
11:02This is the responsibility of the speaker ...
11:06... who is out of the country due to his personal reasons.
11:10But my personal opinion is that the commitment that we make ...
11:14... should be put into practice.
11:17So that whatever we say to them, ...
11:19... if you fulfill the commitment, ...
11:21... then there is more weight in our words.
11:24When all this was being discussed in Pakistan, ...
11:27... because the speaker was out of the country, ...
11:30... he issued a news through his office that ...
11:33... what kind of responsibility is being put on me.
11:36I just have to arrange tea and water there, ...
11:38... I have to give chairs and chairs.
11:40So you can see this news.
11:42This was published on 9th January.
11:44This is the development of 8th January.
11:46He said that my work is facilitation work between the government and the opposition.
11:50It is my mandate to meet Bani.
11:52And neither is it my responsibility.
11:55So this is what he said.
11:57After that, yesterday Mr. Rana gave the good news ...
12:00... that the speaker is back in the country.
12:03I think Mr. Sadiq has come here.
12:06I will definitely meet him.
12:08I myself will request him to meet him.
12:11Will you request?
12:13This is a big news.
12:15Mr. Sadiq has come here because he is not here.
12:19As soon as he has come, this meeting will also take place.
12:22After that, he will sit and talk to us.
12:26So obviously, the main thing that was told to us by the government ...
12:30... that Mr. Sadiq has to host, he has come back.
12:33The PTI has to contact him and demand him.
12:38And all this happened because of his absence.
12:41He had an emergency in his family, so he had to go out.
12:44Mr. Azhar Farooq is our Deputy Bureau Chief.
12:47We know from him that what is the status of Mr. Speaker now.
12:51Mr. Azhar Farooq, tell us what is the status of the Speaker's office?
12:55Mr. Speaker has come back, he is out of the country.
12:58Has the Speaker's office received any request from either side?
13:02That the meeting should take place.
13:06Mr. Khawaj, the Speaker's National Assembly is still out of the country.
13:09I just spoke to the Speaker's office.
13:12It was told that the Speaker's National Assembly is coming back on 13th.
13:16The 13th National Assembly meeting is taking place.
13:19And he will chair the National Assembly meeting.
13:21As far as the meeting is concerned, the Speaker's office clearly said ...
13:25... that the Speaker's National Assembly has given its clear position.
13:28The Speaker has only established the committees of the government and the opposition.
13:33The Speaker does not have the role of arranging the meeting.
13:36The meeting will take place according to the Administrative and Executive powers.
13:41And the Speaker does not have this authority.
13:43The Speaker will only facilitate the negotiations between the two committees.
13:47So the Speaker's National Assembly, as I said before ...
13:50Tell me again, is the Speaker's National Assembly or Mr. Sadiq still out of the country?
13:57Is he back? What is the status?
14:00The Speaker's National Assembly is not in the country.
14:02He is out of the country.
14:03It's been a few days since he went out.
14:05And he has not returned yet.
14:08And the Speaker's office says that the Speaker's National Assembly is returning to the country on 13th January.
14:13Thank you very much, Mr. Azhar Farooq.
14:15But let's go to Mr. Barana.
14:16Mr. Barana should be updated on this matter.
14:21I think Mr. Sadiq has come here.
14:24The meeting will take place.
14:26When will it take place?
14:27I myself will request him to arrange the meeting.
14:30Will you request him?
14:31Yes, I will.
14:32This is a big news.
14:33Mr. Sadiq is not here.
14:35This is a problem.
14:37As soon as he comes here, the meeting will take place.
14:41After that, he can sit and talk to us.
14:44Mr. Azhar, what is this?
14:47Mr. Sadiq's office is saying that it has nothing to do with the meeting.
14:53Earlier, Mr. Sadiq was supposed to meet him for facilitation.
14:58But now, he is only there to sit and have tea.
15:02He has limited his role.
15:05This is a new development.
15:07The government is ill-informed.
15:10You are right.
15:12Mr. Sadiq's office is not the government's office.
15:15It is an independent office.
15:17Mr. Sadiq was a bridge between the government and the opposition.
15:21He was there to facilitate them.
15:23Now, he doesn't want to play that role.
15:25What can the government or the opposition do?
15:28He will give tea and biscuits to the committee room.
15:31He will sit there.
15:32There will be a photo session.
15:34Mr. Sadiq was given a responsibility.
15:36He should have fulfilled it.
15:38But now, he is not comfortable with it.
15:41It will become a new mechanism.
15:43When the government wants to hold a meeting,
15:46there won't be any problem.
15:48But now, the meeting has been suspended.
15:51Mr. Imran Khan has asked to submit the charter of demands.
15:57Now, the committee has to be convened.
16:00Now, the committee has to be convened.
16:02You are saying that on the 13th.
16:04Let me clarify.
16:06The Speaker's office has said that I don't have to be there.
16:10I don't have to be there.
16:12I don't have to be there.
16:13When a request comes from both sides,
16:15we will go ahead with that.
16:17Mr. Irfan is saying that he has to be there.
16:21Mr. Rana is saying that the Speaker's office has to meet.
16:24We will request.
16:26Mr. Rana is saying that...
16:28He has come.
16:29He has come.
16:30Let's listen to him again.
16:32I think Mr. Sadiq has come here.
16:35The meeting will be held.
16:37When will it be held?
16:38I will request him to meet him.
16:41Will you request him?
16:42Yes, I will.
16:43This is a big news.
16:44Mr. Sadiq.
16:45Mr. Sadiq is not here,
16:47which is why there is a problem.
16:49As soon as he comes,
16:50the meeting will be held.
16:52After that, he can sit and talk to us.
16:55Mr. Rana, I think,
16:57I don't understand some of his talks.
17:01This is a contradiction.
17:03He is saying that the Speaker has come.
17:06The Speaker is saying that he has not come.
17:08He will come on 13th January.
17:10He was saying that Mr. Imran Khan can be shifted.
17:13That was not the government's opinion.
17:15That was his own independent opinion.
17:17Mr. Rana is saying this.
17:19Maybe he was talking about humanitarian grounds.
17:21If there is a problem with Mr. Imran Khan's health,
17:24he can be shifted.
17:26But according to my information,
17:28Mr. Imran Khan is all fit.
17:33Let me tell you that Mr. Imran Khan…
17:37Let's talk about his health in detail.
17:39His diet is more than four people like me.
17:43His exercise is more than 20 people like me.
17:48Obviously.
17:49You have to digest the food.
17:53Yes, he does.
17:54Mr. Ghulam Sahib, Mr. Rana is saying that he thinks he has come.
18:00He has not said that he has come.
18:02He is saying that he thinks he has come.
18:04This is such an important issue in Pakistan.
18:09There is a standstill.
18:11Obviously, there was a negotiation.
18:13The opposition was ready to give a written statement.
18:17The Senator and Irfan Siddiqui said that
18:19the Speaker will come and this is their job.
18:22Mr. Rana said this.
18:23Now they are saying that they think they have come.
18:25Will all the matters be based on their thoughts?
18:28Will Mr. Rana pick up the phone and check the Speaker's office?
18:32Or will he ask Irfan Siddiqui to check
18:34and tell if the Speaker has come back?
18:36So that the matter can move forward.
18:40Now, it is a matter of mutual understanding.
18:41If the Speaker is in any country,
18:44America, Africa, Australia, Canada,
18:47there is no problem these days.
18:48They can sit on Zoom.
18:49They can sit on a big screen.
18:50All the arrangements are available at the National Assembly.
18:53They have gone in an emergency.
18:54If they have gone in an emergency,
18:55then the person would not be attending Zoom meetings.
18:56Please show the news.
18:58What has he written in it?
19:00The war news again.
19:03He is saying that his job is to facilitate
19:05between the government and the opposition.
19:07And it is my mandate to meet Bani.
19:11And neither is it my responsibility.
19:13He is saying that it is not his responsibility.
19:15So my question to you is this.
19:17The Speaker calls the office
19:19and tells the staff
19:20that the Deputy Speaker should sit in my absence.
19:23They just have to hold.
19:24They have to supervise.
19:25They have to facilitate.
19:27So why doesn't Mr. Rana or the rest of the people
19:29contact the government
19:30and move forward with this matter?
19:34It's not a big deal.
19:37Mr. Rana Sanawal Khan
19:39must have found out.
19:40Yes, he is coming.
19:42The flight was delayed due to fog.
19:44So it is not a big issue.
19:46Actually, the thing is that
19:48the Speaker of the National Assembly
19:50has written that
19:52meetings with Khawar Ghumman and others
19:54should be held after the jail is opened.
19:56So there is no one like Michael Lal
19:58who can defy him.
20:00The Speaker is a big office.
20:02So I don't understand
20:04what is he up to?
20:06And he eats the food of four people.
20:10Some eat food of 800 people.
20:12Some fear God.
20:13Do something else.
20:15I don't know.
20:19Mr. Khan, I think you have heard it.
20:22Mr. Rana Sanawal Khan
20:24had spoken about the health threat
20:26based on a survey.
20:28I have commented on it.
20:30You take it to heart.
20:32Let's talk about it.
20:34Viewers, the question is that
20:36this is a joke.
20:38No, no, why would I take it to heart?
20:40You have spoken about it.
20:42Let's move on.
20:45The real issue is that
20:47if the negotiation process
20:49is so serious
20:51and the country needs it,
20:53then why is there
20:55a right-to-left debate?
20:57If I look at the members
20:59of the Government Committee,
21:01Ishaq Dar,
21:03who is also the Deputy Prime Minister,
21:05Senator Irfan Siddiqui,
21:07Rana Sanawal,
21:09Raja Parvez Ashraf,
21:11Syed Naveed Qamar,
21:13Farooq Sattar,
21:15Ijaz-ul-Haq,
21:17Muslim League Zia,
21:19Harad Maqsi,
21:21Balochistan Awami Party,
21:23Abdul Aleem Khan,
21:25IPB,
21:27and the opposition members
21:29Umar Youb,
21:31Ali Min Gandapur,
21:33CM KP,
21:35Asad Qaiser,
21:37Senator Raja Nasir Abbas,
21:39and Saabzada Hamad Reza.
21:41But what is happening
21:43these days, Mr. Chaudhary,
21:45is that the statements
21:47are coming from those
21:49who have nothing to do
21:51with the party's
21:53mockery.
21:55First of all, the spanner
21:57that was thrown in all the work,
21:59Mr. Chaudhary gave a statement
22:01on which it seems that action is being taken.
22:03Listen to what he is saying.
22:05When you have preconditions
22:07that a prisoner's meeting
22:09cannot be held
22:11in a manner that
22:13there is no security
22:15or surveillance,
22:17then such a meeting
22:19cannot be held
22:21with a prisoner or a criminal.
22:23Whatever the meeting will be,
22:25it will be on the same SOP
22:27that was given in the jail manual.
22:29And after that,
22:31there can be no meeting
22:33other than that,
22:35so such a meeting
22:37Then there is a poet
22:39of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaaf,
22:41Mr. Afzal Marwat,
22:43and he gave some statements,
22:45and the reaction on that
22:47was given by Mr. Salman Akram Rai,
22:49who is a member of the committee.
22:51He said that whatever his statement is,
22:53if there is a statement on social media,
22:55then perhaps that is the reason
22:57that the competition is increasing
22:59in the path of mockery.
23:01On this, Mr. Salman Akram Rai
23:03replied.
23:05Mr. Afzal Marwat said
23:07after meeting Mr. Imran Khan,
23:09that regarding the negotiations,
23:11Imran Khan said that
23:13if you don't want to meet me,
23:15then no problem,
23:17you can have a third or fourth session.
23:19Is that a go-ahead from Imran Khan
23:21saying that you talk,
23:23it is not necessary to meet me?
23:25I will not say anything
23:27on the words of Mr. Afzal Marwat.
23:29Every person who speaks
23:31is a very big party.
23:33Everyone has the right to speak
23:35on behalf of the party.
23:37So Mr. Chaudhary,
23:39what do you think is the reason
23:41behind the statements
23:43that are being made
23:45from right to left?
23:47First of all,
23:49please note that
23:51Rana Sanaw Allah Khan
23:53is saying that
23:55the Speaker has come
23:57and he will arrange the meeting.
23:59And he had to arrange the meeting.
24:01And the Speaker is saying
24:03through his office
24:05that I will arrange the meeting
24:07so that everyone can sit
24:09and have tea
24:11and sandwiches.
24:13I have nothing to do
24:15with substantive issues.
24:17So I don't want to have
24:19a meeting.
24:21I am coming on the 13th,
24:23so we will see.
24:25So it is clear that
24:27the government's priorities
24:29are not in the priorities
24:31and they have nothing to do
24:33with these jokes.
24:35Because the demands
24:37are logical and reasonable.
24:39If they are accepted,
24:41the country will move forward.
24:43If they think that the country
24:45will move forward,
24:47then we, who are sitting
24:49and doing our job,
24:51and are hitting here and there,
24:53and don't know what the
24:55conditions of Afghanistan
24:57are and what their role is,
24:59and they leave it to themselves,
25:01then leave them alone.
25:03They don't have to joke
25:05and they won't,
25:07but these issues will be resolved
25:09very soon and you will see
25:11and you will break the news
25:13that this has happened.
25:15We will take a short break
25:17and discuss this issue.
25:19And along with that,
25:21we will wrap up the hearing
25:23in the Supreme Court
25:25and see what questions
25:27are being raised.
25:29Our special correspondent,
25:31Raja Mohsin,
25:33will be with us.
25:35We will know from him
25:37that initially,
25:39there was a perception
25:41that when the judge
25:43allowed the military courts
25:45to announce their decisions,
25:47but it was conditional
25:49that when we decide,
25:51all these decisions will be
25:53resolved.
25:55Now, what do you think?
25:57Initially, it was that
25:59everything was going
26:01towards a solution.
26:03Now, we are seeing
26:05a new direction
26:07that maybe the matter
26:09is going to be difficult
26:11and maybe the decision
26:13will be someone else.
26:15We will know from our
26:17representative
26:19that what is going on
26:21and how to resolve this issue.
26:23Obviously, Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaab
26:25is asking for an uninterrupted
26:27and unmonitored meeting.
26:29You heard the statements
26:31that were made.
26:33The news has been going on
26:35for two days
26:37that maybe Bani PTI
26:39should be shifted
26:41and Bani Gala should be
26:43house-arrested.
26:45When the Secretary General
26:47was asked,
26:49what did he say?
27:19In this context,
27:21when Rana Sanwal was asked
27:23if this is possible,
27:25he did not have an answer.
27:49Question- Hassan,
27:51what is going on?
27:53There is a lot of talk
27:55that the government
27:57is saying that it is fine
27:59and that there is no problem.
28:01The thing is that
28:03when we talk about
28:05secret negotiations,
28:07we are talking about
28:09the establishment.
28:11The establishment's position
28:13is two-faced.
28:15All political parties
28:17are between the government
28:19and the opposition.
28:21The establishment is lying
28:23on an individual level.
28:25Are you talking about
28:27the shift of Bani Gala?
28:29Nothing like that.
28:31Let's move on to the next story.
28:33Will the military courts
28:35remain in place?
28:37Will the military courts
28:39remain in place?
28:41Will the military courts
28:43remain in place?
28:45Will the military courts
28:47remain in place?
28:49This is the case.
28:51A five-member bench
28:53had given a decision
28:55against the military courts.
28:57The federal government
28:59has appealed against it.
29:01We have been hearing
29:03and receiving comments
29:05from the judges
29:07since two days.
29:09First of all,
29:11the questions that
29:13were asked
29:15during the hearing
29:17were from
29:19Justice Musarrat Halali.
29:21In the current case,
29:23when the accused was
29:25taken into custody,
29:27he was not subject to
29:29the basic rights
29:31and there was no emergency
29:33in the country.
29:35For example,
29:37how can a civilian
29:39be tried in the military
29:41court?
29:43Who decides
29:45who will be tried
29:47in the military court
29:49and who will not?
29:51The case is not
29:53about the military courts
29:55but about the rights.
29:57How is this distinction
29:59made?
30:01Justice Muhammad Ali Mazhar
30:03has asked
30:05how is this
30:07distinction made
30:09in the military courts
30:11and how is it
30:13made in the ATC?
30:15How is this
30:17distinction made?
30:19Justice Naeem Akhtar
30:21has asked
30:23how is this
30:25distinction made
30:27in the military courts
30:29and how is it
30:31made in the ATC?
30:33How is this
30:35distinction made?
30:37How is this
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33:53After a short break,
33:55we will go to
33:57Raja Mohsin
33:59and get some
34:01impressions and
34:03details from him.
34:07Welcome back,
34:09Raja Mohsin, you are raising very tough questions.
34:11What is your understanding?
34:13We faced very important questions
34:15from the bench on a daily basis.
34:17The fundamental question
34:19today was that
34:21what is the methodology of a trial?
34:23We were repeatedly asked
34:25this question by the
34:27members of the bench.
34:29What is the methodology?
34:31Especially, the remarks
34:33given by Justice Musarrat Ilali
34:35at the beginning of the session
34:37that an officer who
34:39does a trial does not
34:41make a decision himself,
34:43rather he sends his commanding
34:45officer to the case
34:47and then he makes a decision.
34:49What is the methodology of
34:51writing a decision?
34:53On this, Khawaja Haris said
34:55that Jack Brand
34:57guides in this matter
34:59and helps in writing a decision.
35:01And there were
35:03various questions
35:05about the military court trial.
35:07Basically,
35:09Khawaja Haris tried
35:11to satisfy the court.
35:13But during this week's session,
35:15Justice Naeem Akhtar Afghan
35:17gave the remarks that
35:19Khawaja, it seems that
35:21your preparation is not complete.
35:23Today, Justice
35:25Musarrat Ilali raised
35:27important questions.
35:29Along with that,
35:31Justice Jamal Mando Khel
35:33also raised important questions.
35:35He was asked by the bench
35:37that Khawaja,
35:39please tell us
35:41that you have selected
35:43the entire military court.
35:45On this,
35:47Additional Attorney General
35:49told the court that
35:51the 105 people who were
35:53present in the military court
35:55were trialled in the military court.
35:57On site?
35:59Yes, on site.
36:01The people who were present
36:03in the military court were
36:05trialled in the military court.
36:07One question that was asked
36:09was that the women were not
36:11allowed in the military court.
36:13But the court said that
36:15all the incidents of
36:17GHQ, which were attacked
36:19by Prana Mushraf or
36:21All the incidents were
36:23trialled in the military court.
36:25And why was this trialled in the military court?
36:27These were individual incidents.
36:29The attack was on the entire
36:31institution on one day.
36:33The most important question
36:35that is being asked is that
36:37the process was done.
36:39You have said that
36:41or has there been any evidence or judgement placed against him?
36:45The questions that you are raising are similar to the ones raised by the bench.
36:50In response to all these questions, Khawaja Sahib is saying that he will assist the court in the second phase of his arguments.
37:02As of now, he has not raised any clear questions.
37:08This question has been raised by Justice Jamal Mando that he has 38 years of experience and he still does not consider himself to be perfect.
37:19Can you please tell me how an officer who can be sentenced to death can raise such questions?
37:32There was also a case of a former Army Chief, Jalal Musharraf Sahib, who had his jet hijacked.
37:39Justice Musharraf said that the airport's lights were switched off and that despite the low temperature, he was asked to leave the airport.
37:50I would like to ask you about the case of G.H.K.O. gate.
37:59There was an incident at the premises of G.H.K.O.
38:05Has there been a case filed against him?
38:09He has repeatedly asked us about the past.
38:12Has there been a case filed against him?
38:15There has been a case filed against him at the same time in the entire country.
38:19Has there been a case filed against him?
38:24He has repeatedly asked us if there is any historical evidence or case filed against him.
38:28He has given an international example that there are trials in the military courts.
38:35Another example is the case of Kulbhushan.
38:38The case of Kulbhushan went to the military court.
38:41After that, the case went to the High Court and then to the International Court of Justice.
38:45The International Court of Justice has also accepted the case of Kulbhushan.
38:56The question raised by the judges is that why the case of Kulbhushan did not go to the military court?
39:10The case of Kulbhushan went to the ATC.
39:12Mr. Jamal Mandokhil has said that you have a majority.
39:15You have 302 cases of hijacking.
39:18The Supreme Court's decision is in the hands of the people.
39:24If the Supreme Court says that the case of Kulbhushan did not go to the military court, then the case will be retrialed in the ATC.
39:31But the case is clear.
39:33The case is clear.
39:35The case is clear.
39:37The case is clear.
39:39The case is clear.
39:41The case is clear.