Protest is PTI's Right, But They Have Seen the Consequences: Ejaz ul Haq
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00:00We know how powerful the PTA committee is, it is under the direction of Mr. Khan and he has the final say.
00:16How much power does the government committee have? They are not even able to hold meetings.
00:21They are not able to implement the commitments they have made.
00:25If they didn't have the power, they wouldn't have sat there.
00:29How long does it take to have the power?
00:33The government says that they don't want to sit there.
00:37When they sat there and talked, the problem is in the narrative.
00:44I told them on the first day that they could have brought the charter of demands in good words.
00:51Instead of saying that you have been oppressed and this and that has happened.
00:55You said that these are two issues, you can make an inquiry on them.
00:59We are ready to sit with you.
01:01Even now I understand that if we conclude that there are some legal issues
01:07due to which we are having difficulty in making a commission, these are the reasons.
01:12When Mr. Gohar would have been sitting there, he could have called someone else.
01:16He could have called Mr. Ali Zafar.
01:18He could have sat there and said that you are lying.
01:20This could have happened.
01:22Then there could have been a way out.
01:24He said that first of all, you should announce something that no one can do.
01:29You make another decision that everyone should be left with the executive order.
01:33After that, we will sit and talk.
01:35When the government cannot do it.
01:37These things happen when there is martial law in the country.
01:40At that time, the martial law order was in force.
01:42Yes, now do this, do this inside and give everyone a leave.
01:46So at that time, it was necessary that you are a democratic party,
01:50you are an accepted party, you sit there, you convince the government
01:54that this method can be yours.
01:57But what I am talking about, this is my own thing that I had told you
02:02that can another commission be made on the cases that are going on or not.
02:06I will give you an example of a British case.
02:08There was also a sub judice case on which they made an inquiry commission.
02:13When the inquiry commission was made, the chief justice there said
02:18that this inquiry commission will run in a closed room.
02:21When its report is ready, it will be sealed.
02:25When the decision of the case will come, it will be opened.
02:30That is, they do not even want the commission to influence any sub judice case.
02:36Yes, but the problem is that in Pakistan, the decisions of the courts are leaked one day,
02:42so our ideal position should be that, but if we look at our existing system,
02:48I want to go a little further.
02:50Do you think that this matter has ended here or there is still some hope or there is a way forward?
02:57Can these negotiations resume?
03:00Look, I am very optimistic.
03:02Suppose there is no meeting on 28th, which the speaker has called.
03:07I have received a message that the time for the 28th meeting has also been set.
03:12Suppose the PTA says that we do not come, you make an announcement,
03:17then we will sit there, but whenever the conversation will move forward,
03:23it will move through these negotiations.
03:25So I am very optimistic that if not today, then not after a week or two weeks.
03:30Look, they have the right to protest as much as they want to,
03:35but they have seen the results of the protest,
03:39that from the protest of 126 days to the long march, I was also with them in that time.
03:46What can the government do at this time?
03:48Will they suggest something? What should be done in such a deadlock situation?
03:53I would say to the government that the speaker should be called tomorrow
03:57and each of them should be called.
04:00Call them, make them sit with you, tell them what are your reasons.
04:04Look, the speaker is a neutral personality, he is facilitating.
04:08He presides, but he says he is a facilitator.
04:11When there is a meeting of our sub-committee, the speaker does not even sit in it.
04:15He says that you will not influence me.
04:17So he wants to stay neutral.
04:19He wants to be called, he wants to be explained.
04:22If he says that we should arrange a meeting with Bani,
04:26where we can talk to him in secret in the jail,
04:31then I would say to facilitate, it does not make any difference.
04:34But it should continue talking to each other.
04:38This is absolutely right.
04:39I will ask Baris Raheel, first you could not facilitate,
04:41because you wanted to meet alone.
04:43After that he said that there are problems of your authority.
04:45You are not able to meet even after committing.
04:48And Irfan Siddiqui was on record.
04:50He said that we gave a commitment, we should have met.
04:52So your facilitation process is also not that smooth,
04:55that you should trust him.
04:57Look, there were some issues in that.
05:01We have straightened that out.
05:04And we had a meeting on Sunday.
05:07And that meeting was not under any scope,
05:13or under a microscope, or under a camera.
05:16It was an open meeting, where there was no crowd of people.
05:20And there was no meeting of any prisoner.
05:22So we ensured that on a Sunday.
05:24They do not like the crowd of people.
05:26So that there is no disturbance.
05:28They do not want to listen to any discussion.
05:30There was a free atmosphere to a certain extent,
05:32according to the rules of the jail.
05:34Now they have given their demands in writing.
05:38Now I do not understand,
05:41in what context they want to meet.
05:43Because they have brought the instructions.
05:45Mr. Khan has made a U-turn.
05:47He has said that he does not want to engage in any joke.
05:49And I think I can say this to you very proudly.
05:52Because the meeting that took place with the Chief of Army Staff,
05:56was presented in a different context.
05:58Perhaps there was some hope,
06:01that there would be a discussion on political issues.
06:04There was no discussion on political issues.
06:07And when it was clearly denied from there,
06:10that do not discuss politics with us.
06:13This is one of the reasons why he is backed off.
06:16Because he thinks he can use his government committee,
06:19to then initiate talks with the establishment.
06:22This is not going to happen.