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Heated Debate Between Hassan Ayub and President IHC Bar Riasat Ali
"There is no contempt of court law in Pakistan" - Riyast Ali Azad and Hassan Ayub Heated Debate
"Judicial order can be overturned only through judicial order" - President Islamabad High Court Bar
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Heated Debate Between Hassan Ayub and President IHC Bar Riasat Ali
"There is no contempt of court law in Pakistan" - Riyast Ali Azad and Hassan Ayub Heated Debate
"Judicial order can be overturned only through judicial order" - President Islamabad High Court Bar
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum dear viewers, I welcome you to the program.
00:12Today is 27th January, Monday, and this is our first program of the week.
00:17Dear viewers, there have been a lot of developments in the last two days.
00:20And the most important development, I think, I was watching the news,
00:24that Sindh people are saying that we should give Maryam Sahiba as the Chief Minister.
00:29And you have seen that the Sindh government has learned a lot from this.
00:33And after this, our respected Minister of Interior, Mohsin Naqvi,
00:39he has worn a lot of hats.
00:41In Pakistan, he is the chairman of the PCB, who is going to give the Champions Trophy.
00:46Along with that, as the Minister of Interior, he has a very big responsibility,
00:51to take care of law and order in the country.
00:54But along with this, he is also on the forefront of Pakistan's foreign policy.
01:00He has been in America for the past few days.
01:03He is doing meetings.
01:04And the government is saying that these institutions have not been sanctioned.
01:07So we will also try to know this in our program.
01:10Especially from Mr. Hassan Ayub, who has he told?
01:13Because when a minister goes abroad, he has to take a special leave from the Prime Minister.
01:19We will also talk about this.
01:21The government's deadline for negotiations will end tomorrow.
01:26And a meeting has been called on the 28th.
01:29Mr. Ayaz Sadiq, who is the Speaker of the National Assembly,
01:32he is the host of all the negotiations.
01:34The government is saying that we will also respond in writing,
01:39in response to the Charter of Demands, which has been presented by the Pakistani Judiciary.
01:45But today's biggest story,
01:48is about the case in the Supreme Court.
01:53And this is also a very strange kind of case in Pakistan.
01:57And that is, who will make the benches?
02:02How will they be made?
02:03When a bench is made, can that bench be terminated by an administrative order?
02:10A decision was made on it by two member benches.
02:14Sena Peona Jan on behalf of the Supreme Court,
02:16Justice Mansoor Ali Shah and Justice Aqeel Abbasi.
02:20That decision has been heard today.
02:23And in that decision, the very important remarks that have come forward,
02:27and especially when this written judgment has come,
02:30the matter has been sent to Chief Justice of Pakistan.
02:35In this judgment, he writes that,
02:39It seems that the committee that makes the benches,
02:44after the committee that makes the regular benches,
02:46the committee that makes the regular benches,
02:48it depends on the contempt of court.
02:52But taking care of propriety and decorum, we do not go that way.
02:57And this matter that a bench has been made,
03:02can it be changed by an administrative order?
03:06It seems that a full court should sit and decide on this matter.
03:11And this matter has been sent to Chief Justice of Pakistan,
03:15Justice Yahya Afridi.
03:18Now, will this be a full court?
03:20Will this order be followed or not?
03:23Riyasat Ali Azad is present with us.
03:26He does politics later.
03:28He appears in various courts.
03:30In the Supreme Court too.
03:32The matter of the 26th amendment.
03:34He has been there.
03:36He has a loud voice.
03:38He has a loud voice.
03:40And whenever he speaks, he speaks loudly.
03:42We invited him to the program from Lahore.
03:44Chaudhry Ghulam Sain Sahib,
03:46and Hassan Ayub, as I said,
03:48are present with me in Islamabad.
03:50Thank you very much, Mr. Azad, for giving us time.
03:54This seems to me to be a very extraordinary incident.
04:01You tell us about your experience.
04:04He is saying that both the committees were not legally authorized to take administrative decisions.
04:12Everyone knows the whole process.
04:14First, the case was closed.
04:16The bench was closed.
04:18After that, a constitutional bench was made.
04:20The same case is presented before a six-member bench at 1 o'clock today.
04:26Justice Mandu Khel says,
04:28You have condemned us.
04:30You should have called us.
04:32We would have answered you.
04:34In your opinion, how extraordinary is this incident?
04:37And the order given by the two-member bench today,
04:39that a full court should authoritatively make this decision,
04:44which is also a reference to the Sindh High Court.
04:47A 14-member bench was sitting there.
04:49There was also a notice of contempt of court against the registrar.
04:52This matter should be resolved once and for all.
04:55Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim.
04:56Khawar, thank you very much.
04:58Thank you very much for inviting me on this topic.
05:00First of all, I would like to say about this judgment,
05:03that the two-member bench today,
05:06in which the honourable Supreme Court has made this decision,
05:08they have expressed judicial constraint.
05:12And they have said that it does not look good,
05:15because it is a matter of the institution.
05:18And they have said that we do not do committees,
05:21and it seems appropriate that we refer it to the Chief Justice of Pakistan,
05:26and they call a full court on it.
05:29And I think that there should be collective wisdom in this.
05:33Because it is a very renowned judgment of the Supreme Court of Pakistan.
05:38PLD 2018, Supreme Court, page number 276,
05:43Vukla Mahaz, Barah-e-Dastur-e-Pakistan,
05:46Banam-e-Federation-of-Pakistan.
05:48In it, in reference to the benches,
05:50this judgment has already come,
05:53in which it has been held,
05:55that if there is any judicial order,
05:57it can neither be firsted by virtue of administrative order or executive order,
06:05nor can it be set-aside.
06:06The law says that if there is any judicial order,
06:10it can only be set-aside by judicial order.
06:14In addition to this,
06:15the Supreme Court is not coming to any committee in Pakistan,
06:19nor is it coming to the INA committee,
06:21nor is it coming to the Chief Justice of Pakistan.
06:23An order has come,
06:25it has been fixed in a matter bench,
06:27it was a part-heard matter.
06:29Mr. Guman, that is very important,
06:31that it is a part-heard matter,
06:33you cannot withdraw it at all.
06:35The reason for that is,
06:36it means that when the judges will question,
06:40you develop a perception that this judgment is perhaps against someone.
06:45I will include Hassan as well,
06:47but there is a big objection on this,
06:49a question is being raised,
06:51that all these things that you are doing,
06:54from the 26th amendment,
06:56the first one, the Supreme Court of Pakistan,
06:58in reference to the case law of Pakistan,
07:00the issues they give,
07:01after the 26th amendment,
07:03there is a new Supreme Court in Pakistan.
07:06After the 26th amendment,
07:08You are saying that,
07:09I am saying that it is not there anymore.
07:11Yes, let's move ahead.
07:12There is a part-heard matter bench,
07:14and that part-heard matter bench has unlimited powers,
07:18they have to talk about Pakistan's part-heard matter.
07:21So the argument is that,
07:23you correct all the things,
07:25but before this,
07:26the 26th amendment was not there,
07:27the 26th amendment has now come,
07:29therefore,
07:30you take out the past cases,
07:32that such and such judgment was this,
07:33and such and such court has decided this,
07:35therefore, now a new case law will be made,
07:37and after the 26th amendment,
07:39the decisions that will be made,
07:40you can quote them,
07:41but you will not quote the past decisions.
07:43Ok, under the practice and procedure act,
07:45the article 191A,
07:48where does it come from?
07:50Tell me,
07:51it is there in front of you,
07:53where is it that,
07:55from any bench,
07:57the judicial or constitutional powers,
08:00can be withdrawn?
08:02Tell me.
08:03It is not there.
08:04That is very silent.
08:06It is not there.
08:07So this is straightforward,
08:08I think,
08:09it is interference,
08:11into the constitutional power of the judge,
08:14of the supreme court.
08:16This means that,
08:18when a judgment is reserved,
08:20at that stage also,
08:21you can withdraw the case,
08:22and entrust it to some other bench.
08:23You can also withdraw a judge,
08:25who is sitting in that bench.
08:27Which mirror allows you to do that?
08:29Which article 191A,
08:322 or 2A,
08:34does not give any authority.
08:36They are constitutional judges.
08:38If it is a part-heard matter,
08:40the supreme court,
08:42or any authority,
08:43or any committee,
08:44has no authority,
08:45to withdraw it,
08:46and entrust it to someone else.
08:48I leave the question to you.
08:49Hassan can also ask you a question,
08:51and comment on it.
08:52My question to you is,
08:53that when this 26th amendment is done,
08:56after that,
08:57the opinion of this constitutional bench,
08:59will be based on the legal matters.
09:02Therefore,
09:03the difference between the judges,
09:05is in my opinion,
09:06in the eyes of the judges.
09:08You are the prime officer.
09:09Rest, Hassan can comment on it.
09:11You,
09:12this is a matter,
09:14and when Justice Mando Khel,
09:16heard the case today,
09:17obviously,
09:18it was an inter-court appeal,
09:19but before that,
09:20this decision had already been made.
09:21The notice of condemnation was withdrawn.
09:22The two members of the bench,
09:23said that,
09:24the condemner,
09:25the additional judge,
09:26Mr. Raj Raab,
09:27he did not do anything on purpose.
09:28He had sent the case.
09:29Now, if the committee has done this,
09:31then,
09:32Justice Mansoor Ali Shah,
09:34is saying that,
09:35these two committees,
09:37apparently,
09:38have requested this.
09:40Therefore,
09:41we will do everything.
09:42Judicial screen,
09:43and all other things.
09:44So, how do you see this judgment?
09:45Okay,
09:46I do not consider this judgment,
09:47to be non-legal.
09:48Just that.
09:49Because,
09:50the Supreme Court,
09:51takes its powers,
09:52from the constitution.
09:53When it is clearly written in the constitution,
09:55that,
09:56these matters,
09:57which are constitutional,
09:58or legal,
09:59or legal,
10:00they will go,
10:01to the constitutional benches.
10:03So,
10:04this case,
10:05the first three cases,
10:06which were sent back,
10:07to the constitutional bench,
10:08Honourable Justice Mansoor Ali Shah,
10:10sent them back,
10:11in the same way.
10:12Then,
10:13why did he declare this,
10:14as a gift from Allah?
10:15Either he did it wrong,
10:16or he did it wrong this time,
10:17that he took it up.
10:18If it was necessary to take it up,
10:20the cases which were filed by mistake,
10:22then,
10:23the first three people,
10:24should have listened to it,
10:25should have decided.
10:26He did not do that.
10:27So,
10:28either he was wrong,
10:29or he was wrong this time.
10:30Secondly,
10:31now,
10:32this matter is being sent to the Chief Justice,
10:33to make a full court.
10:34So,
10:35it is the duty of the Chief Justice,
10:36that,
10:37when does he call for a full court hearing?
10:39This right,
10:40is with the Chief Justice.
10:41Now,
10:42he is dictating to the bench,
10:43to the Chief Justice,
10:44to the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Pakistan,
10:45who is sitting on the constitutional bench,
10:46the country's biggest,
10:47the biggest court,
10:48Chief Justice.
10:49Sir,
10:50Jaisal Manmohan Kher Sahib has said,
10:51that,
10:52apparently,
10:53according to this judgment,
10:54the Chief Justice,
10:55has also,
10:56he is also accused,
10:57he has also done this,
10:58contempt of court.
10:59Now,
11:00listen to the next thing.
11:01Now,
11:02this case,
11:03which he had noticed,
11:04was of contempt of court,
11:05contempt of court.
11:06So,
11:07in contempt,
11:08now,
11:09Mr. Riyasat Ali Zaad knows,
11:10that,
11:11the judge,
11:12who has been accused,
11:13that judge,
11:14does not listen to the case,
11:15but refers the matter,
11:16to the Chief Justice,
11:17in the past,
11:18and this time,
11:19he refers the committee,
11:20that on this,
11:21for the contempt of court,
11:22a new bench should be constituted,
11:23who listens to this matter.
11:24But,
11:25he said,
11:26no,
11:27yes,
11:28we will listen to this matter.
11:29He says,
11:30we have been accused,
11:31we will listen.
11:32This is the attitude,
11:33which is present.
11:34Sir,
11:35note these points,
11:36I will,
11:37from Mr. Chowdhury,
11:38Mr. Chowdhury.
11:39Now,
11:40I will say the last thing,
11:41where are you going Mr. Chowdhury?
11:42Mr. Chowdhury,
11:43there are other programs,
11:44we will talk later,
11:45what happened?
11:46You have to fight only one case.
11:47It is a big case,
11:48now,
11:49there is a big material.
11:50Mr. Chowdhury,
11:51Mr. Ghulam Sain,
11:52the problem is,
11:53that,
11:54the judgment of Justice Mansoor Ali Shah,
11:55Justice Ameen-ud-Din,
11:56who heads the Constitutional Bench,
11:57and,
11:58Justice Mansoor Khel,
11:59who is a member of the
12:00Constitutional Bench,
12:01Justice Mansoor Khel,
12:02if I am not mistaken.
12:03Now,
12:04there is Muhammad Ali Madar,
12:05in that case,
12:06and,
12:07Justice Mansoor Khel.
12:08So,
12:09he said,
12:10we think that,
12:11you have charged us,
12:12so,
12:13you should have called us,
12:14in the court,
12:15so,
12:16we would have answered you.
12:17So,
12:18but,
12:19Justice Mansoor Ali Shah,
12:20is saying that,
12:21because,
12:22for propriety,
12:23and for the decorum purpose,
12:24so,
12:25this matter,
12:26whether,
12:27a bench,
12:28has been formed,
12:29or,
12:30whether a judicial order,
12:31can be terminated,
12:32by an administrative order,
12:33once and for all,
12:34the decision should be made,
12:35and a full court should be set up.
12:36Your thoughts,
12:37and questions,
12:38you can also ask,
12:39from Riazat Ali Azad.
12:40Chaudhary sahib.
12:43No,
12:44Riazat Ali Azad sahib,
12:45is very passionate,
12:46full of passion,
12:47very committed,
12:48with great conviction,
12:49he works,
12:50and,
12:51very,
12:52his,
12:53his,
12:54community,
12:55has,
12:56a great status,
12:57because of his,
12:58views,
12:59and because of,
13:00taking a stand.
13:01Having said that,
13:02this,
13:03first,
13:04that,
13:05Allah,
13:06should guide,
13:07Mansoor Ali Shah sahib,
13:08that,
13:09you should not be,
13:10a chief justice,
13:11now,
13:12you,
13:13through your,
13:14letters,
13:15and decisions,
13:16Supreme Court,
13:17should,
13:18you know,
13:19dictate,
13:20possibly,
13:21this,
13:22We are doing transgressions in general terms, that's number one.
13:28Number two, I have a different opinion from Mr. Azad.
13:32Why don't you submit that the governments in Pakistan,
13:39if you don't change this pattern in the future,
13:44then they will come at 1 or 9 in the morning and say,
13:48this judge has to make these decisions,
13:51and this is against them, and this is against them.
13:54Period.
13:55Whoever has a big problem, or is in pain,
13:59they should leave Pakistan.
14:01Because here, Azad Adliya and Adliya's
14:05ruling of the country according to the law,
14:09now you don't understand any role.
14:12And those who had to work to stop this,
14:16except for sitting, talking, and leaving,
14:20and coming and going,
14:22and I have to come and go,
14:24there is nothing more than that.
14:26Therefore, you have divided this country.
14:29You have destroyed it.
14:31There will be no place called law and order.
14:34And the whole world is waking up to Pakistan.
14:37So why don't you submit to the will of the government of the day
14:40that whatever we say,
14:42all the courts will work according to it,
14:45and the rest we have already put forward.
14:48Is it so?
14:50Mr. Chaudhary, I agree with your speech
14:53that there is no law and order in this country anymore.
14:56The reason for this is,
14:58you have observed it correctly,
15:00I present you the expenses.
15:02Mr. Chaudhary, the question arises,
15:04Article 175, Article 3,
15:07that you have to separate the executive from the court
15:12progressively within the 14 years.
15:15Here you have picked up the court
15:18and put it in the lap of the executive.
15:20Now, okay, this amendment has been passed.
15:23You can also see the form of that amendment.
15:26What are the rules in it?
15:28The rules of the National Assembly,
15:30the rules of the Senate in 2012,
15:32have they been followed?
15:34The situation is in front of you.
15:36They have done nothing but sit idly by.
15:39When such amendments will be passed,
15:41then the Supreme Court will not be in this country.
15:43There will be no court in this country.
15:46So you are absolutely right that
15:48in the morning and at night,
15:50someone else will come and according to that,
15:52they will pass it.
15:53So this is what is happening with the court.
15:55And as much as there is fear and harassment in this country,
15:58by virtue of the 26th amendment,
16:01I have not seen in my life,
16:03in 27 years of practice,
16:05that people think that
16:07no citizen is safe in this country.
16:10From the clutches of the executive,
16:12from the clutches of the state,
16:14people are suffering.
16:16And if this is the situation,
16:18then people think that we will not even get justice.
16:21This sense of insecurity,
16:23for its redressal,
16:25there is no remedy at all,
16:27provided in the constitution,
16:29not provided in the law.
16:31The system has become stagnant.
16:33Mr. Riaz-e-Dalai Lama,
16:35you have mentioned other different bars,
16:37the 26th amendment,
16:39they have challenged it.
16:41We have also challenged it.
16:42You have also challenged it.
16:43Yes, the Islamabad High Court.
16:44Okay, now on this,
16:46first of all, tell us on what grounds
16:48you have challenged it.
16:50Secondly, we are seeing that
16:52the judges are being appointed one after the other.
16:56The judicial commission has been formed
16:58as a result of this 26th amendment.
17:00Mr. Pawar.
17:02Mr. Chaudhary, I will come to you.
17:04Take my sentence.
17:06I think the state and its allies,
17:09who have also challenged it,
17:11are challenging the constitution and the law.
17:13They should try to live according to the law.
17:16You have added all Mr. Chaudhary's remarks with a pun.
17:19So, first of all, tell us that.
17:21Secondly, all these preparations that are taking place,
17:25the judicial commission is being formed
17:28as a result of the 26th amendment.
17:30So, how do you see this?
17:32Decisions are being made.
17:33New judges have also come.
17:34Two judges who have come to the Islamabad High Court,
17:36as a result of which,
17:37cases have also started taking place.
17:39Are you not very happy
17:41that the 26th amendment will be reversed someday
17:44and all these judges,
17:45even though it was a different time during the PCO,
17:47all of them were fired in the 100 plus years.
17:49So, do you think that all these judges will be reversed?
17:51Will the 26th amendment be reversed?
17:52Look, I am talking with full conviction.
17:57The 26th amendment will not be reversed.
18:00Today it will be reversed,
18:01tomorrow it will be reversed,
18:02four months later it will be reversed.
18:04This country cannot run.
18:06This institution cannot run.
18:09This system cannot run.
18:11The judges in the Supreme Court,
18:13I would like to apologize to them
18:15that the judges are fighting among themselves in their homes.
18:19You had to save your institution.
18:21Your institution was robbed
18:22and you are fighting among yourselves.
18:24You had to strengthen your institution.
18:26You had to maintain its unity.
18:28And I think that
18:29on which grounds have we challenged the 26th amendment?
18:32Number one,
18:33that this is against the theory of free justice,
18:35the trichotomy of power.
18:38Article 175 is against Article 3.
18:42This is against Article 8.
18:44Because Article 8 says that
18:46in laws, inconsistent with or in derogation
18:51towards the constitutional and fundamental right
18:55would be violated.
18:56This is one.
18:57Then there is Article 227.
18:59Then there is Chapter 1 of the Constitution.
19:02This is against that.
19:03Then this is against the Supreme Court
19:06of Jihad Trust v. Federation of Pakistan in 1996.
19:09One thing, one thing, one thing.
19:12I am talking about a very important thing.
19:15This will strengthen my point.
19:18In the amendment,
19:20I will tell you one thing.
19:22All the high courts in Pakistan,
19:24when the Judicial Commission is convened,
19:27the Chief Justice of those high courts
19:29and the Senior Peonage Judge will sit.
19:31In Islamabad High Court,
19:33the Peonage Judge will not sit.
19:35Only the Chief Justice will sit.
19:37Isn't it apparently on the face of the record
19:39that this amendment is going with Man of I.D.
19:42Take Hassan's question.
19:43Take the comedy as well.
19:44But in the 26th amendment,
19:45with a two-thirds majority,
19:46he has to die.
19:47Sir, the way it is two-thirds,
19:48you know that.
19:49We also know that.
19:50Yes, sir, you also know that.
19:51You are also a small government.
19:53Okay, fine.
19:54But look,
19:55the Supreme Court will see
19:57whether this amendment
19:59has been made
20:00as per constitutional
20:02rules or not.
20:04Secondly,
20:05they have referred Chief Justice to the matter.
20:09These are judicial norms.
20:10These are judicial customs.
20:12These are judicial practices.
20:13When a judge,
20:14in his case,
20:15as they have referred,
20:17they say,
20:18make a full court.
20:19They don't do it themselves.
20:20It is always written to the Chief Justice.
20:23This is his point.
20:24Hassan, take the question.
20:25The one we are talking about,
20:26make a full court.
20:27There are six member benches
20:28sitting on it.
20:29They have heard the case.
20:30The one that Mr. Rajeshwar challenged.
20:32They will give their findings on that.
20:35In the end,
20:36the head of the bench,
20:37Justice Jamal Mandukheel,
20:39he said that
20:40we will give our observations on this.
20:43So, it is a binding of observations.
20:45So, let's see what they give.
20:47They have disposed of the matter.
20:50But their verdict is yet to come.
20:53That too,
20:54there are six member benches of the Supreme Court.
20:56So, their verdict will come.
20:58They will be superior to the two member benches.
21:00I will complete my point later.
21:01Secondly,
21:02in the cup of tea,
21:04We will talk about it later.
21:05In the cup of tea,
21:06how much storm we want to bring,
21:08if we start making noise,
21:10it doesn't matter.
21:12It is a matter of constitution and law.
21:14And the constitution of Pakistan,
21:16that is the case.
21:17Now,
21:18they are talking about the Al-Jahad case.
21:22The seniority principle,
21:24they are talking about,
21:25whose seniority principle is defined?
21:27Adhliya's.
21:28The representatives of the people
21:29have not defined it.
21:30The representatives of the people
21:31who are going to define it,
21:33which they did,
21:34they did it through the 26th Ayn-e-Tarbeen.
21:36Look,
21:37the number of judges who were getting appointments,
21:39the number of judges,
21:40all of them,
21:41the Chief Justice or the Senior Penal Judge's chamber,
21:44that friend,
21:45the son of the friend,
21:46let me complete it this way.
21:48At that time,
21:49if the seniority principle was for the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court,
21:53then it should have been for the Elevation in the Supreme Court as well.
21:56Then when the seniority principle brought Justice Muneeb Akhtar from No. 4,
21:59then the seniority principle went on leave.
22:01At that time,
22:02you are not quiet.
22:03One thing about Ahsan is that
22:05if there was a contempt,
22:07the bench would not have listened.
22:09There are two types of contempt.
22:10One is the personal contempt of the judge.
22:13And the other is the contempt of a judicial order.
22:16Article 204 has all the articles A, B, C, D.
22:20Up to that point,
22:21it was a judicial order
22:23which has been first-stated.
22:25That is why this bench can listen to it.
22:28If it was a personal matter of the judge,
22:31then this would not have happened.
22:32At this time,
22:33in the country,
22:34there is no law of the Supreme Court.
22:36The last law was repealed.
22:38Tell me,
22:39tell me,
22:40Article 204,
22:41Ahsan,
22:42tell me,
22:43Ahsan,
22:44tell me,
22:45where is it written?
22:46Tell me,
22:47where is it written?
22:48It is written in the bill.
22:49It is finished.
22:50Tell me,
22:51in the 36th amendment,
22:52that Article 204 is finished.
22:54Who says that the contempt is finished?
22:56It is said that
22:57this court does not have the authority.
22:59They cannot do it.
23:00They are not allowed to do it.
23:02What is this?
23:03Is there a benefit of contempt there?
23:05Listen,
23:06Ahsan,
23:07Ahsan,
23:08Ahsan,
23:09Listen,
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30:24who believes in Pakistani nationalism, Pakistanis are record champions in that.
30:28Like our Prime Minister, Sayang Shan Kung shadesh, and he is seen along with several
30:32big famous individuals, Taliban coming there.
30:33Comment from our Voice to the Government, Sayang shan says we believe in Pakistan.
30:36Saying we believe in Pakistani law.
30:37Stop the phone calls, people are getting that excuse he is the Prime Minister.
30:41Saying everyone is saying that they are traitor.
30:43Talk to the government, stop the phone calls.
30:45Yes.
30:46Comment from our Voice to the Government, Pakistan is trying to filter, Abhiyaar Singh
30:47you wanna make an announcement about this from his angle.
30:51Talk to the intellectuals to press him on his man povertying stand.
30:52He is not part of any political party.
30:54He is a member of your party.
30:56He is a member of the government.
30:58He is a member of the cabinet.
31:00He is a part of the cabinet.
31:02So, the collective responsibility
31:04of a cabinet member
31:06wherever he goes, he will represent the government.
31:08Khawaja Hassan's point is fine.
31:10But Irfan Siddiqui
31:12has expressed a different
31:14opinion in this regard.
31:16I don't know the purpose of his visit
31:18and I also don't know
31:20if it is a government visit.
31:22I think it is a personal visit.
31:24He has gone on his own
31:26and I think I am meeting him on my own.
31:28Countless people
31:30have managed to
31:32attend this event.
31:34Governmentally,
31:36no such invitation has come to Pakistan.
31:38Neither has the government
31:40of Pakistan deputed anyone
31:42to represent the government.
31:44As far as Foreign Minister is concerned,
31:46his visit is
31:48a big thing.
31:50If we don't make this decision,
31:52then I think
31:54in the coming days,
31:56our relations with America
31:58can be a visit
32:00of Mr. Dar.
32:02Rana Sanawat
32:04has also been questioned in this regard.
32:06Your Foreign Minister
32:08is in Washington.
32:10There are so many news and pictures
32:12going on here.
32:14Who is that Washington?
32:16He has gone on his own
32:18and I think
32:20I am meeting him on my own.
32:22Governmentally,
32:24no such invitation has come to Pakistan.
32:26Neither has the government
32:28of Pakistan deputed anyone
32:30to represent the government.
32:32Mr. Chaudhary,
32:34you have a lot of inside information
32:36about the political situation in America.
32:42Mr. Chaudhary,
32:44you have a lot of inside information
32:46about the political situation in America.
32:48There was a joke here and there.
32:50The government is saying that
32:52we will not go.
32:54What is going on in America and Pakistan?
32:56Mr. Chaudhary.
32:58No,
33:00Mr. Naqvi,
33:02some of his relatives
33:04have said that
33:06after 2-5 days,
33:08Mr. Naqvi has
33:10asked the Trump administration
33:12to put all the opponents
33:14of the government
33:16in jail
33:18and throw the rest of them
33:20into the sea.
33:22We have no problem.
33:24People did not even know
33:26what Mr. Naqvi had gone there
33:28to do and what he had done.
33:30He put them in jail.
33:32Whoever he met
33:34and went out,
33:36he told them to release such and such person.
33:38Whoever he met,
33:40he was talking about the violation of human rights.
33:42So,
33:44their condition
33:46is not very good.
33:48In fact, they have admitted
33:50that there is a lot of
33:52negative propaganda going on.
33:54It cannot be right.
33:56So,
33:58a person from Allah should tell them
34:00to stop the war
34:02against their Pakistani brothers.
34:04You don't need to touch anyone.
34:06What is the reason for the joke?
34:10I don't know the reason for the joke.
34:12The joke is
34:14necessary to be successful.
34:16The word joke
34:18is not right.
34:20You will have to give space to the opposition.
34:22You have no other choice.
34:24What kind of joke are you talking about?
34:26I am talking about the joke.
34:28You are talking about the joke.
34:30This is not a joke.
34:32This is a joke.
34:34This is a joke.
34:36By the way,
34:38what do you think about
34:40the government minister's statement
34:42about Mr. Naqeeb?
34:44If the foreign minister had gone,
34:46it would have been a different story.
34:48He would have been invited.
34:50Mr. Naqeeb has not been invited.
34:52How do you see it?
34:54To reduce the intensity
34:56of the venom
34:58that is being spread
35:00against Pakistan.
35:02As you know,
35:04he has been working
35:06in the United States.
35:08He has his own system.
35:10Secondly,
35:12his activities
35:14are a little bit
35:16secret.
35:18I have not heard
35:20about it yet.
35:22If I had heard about it,
35:24I would have shared it with my viewers.
35:26He can be successful
35:28in giving a big surprise.
35:30It is too early to say anything.
35:32But Mohsin Naqeeb is a doer.
35:34He has achieved something.
35:36Sindh is asking
35:38to send Mr. Murad Ali Shah.
35:40You are hearing the news
35:42that there was a lot of noise yesterday.
35:44What is this?
35:46Murad Ali Shah is a good chief minister.
35:48He is a third time
35:50experienced.
35:52Mr. Nawaz Sharif is doing
35:54a good job in Punjab.
35:56He is a pro and a max.
35:58He has made a lot of
36:00improvements
36:02in Punjab.
36:04And Finance...
36:06Negotiations...
36:08What negotiations?
36:10You are talking about
36:12the things
36:14that you want to happen.
36:16These are your wishes.
36:18There are thousands
36:20of wishes.
36:22But people
36:24have high hopes.
36:26We should never give up our hopes.
36:28We have many wishes.
36:30I will see you again tomorrow. Allah Hafiz.