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(Current Affairs)
Host:
- Ashfaq ishaq Satti
Guests:
- Senator Humayun Mohmand PTI
- Rana Ihsaan Afzal Khan PMLN
- Sharmila Farooqi PPP
"Ab Jo Challenge Hai Wo Growth Ka Challenge Hai Laikn Hukumat..." Rana Ihsan Afzal's Analysis
"Fazal ur Rehman Nay Kaha Kay PMLN Aur PPP Nay Unkay Sath Dhoka Kiya", PTI Leader Told Everything
Is PPP Satisfied with the Success of Economic Indicators? Sharmila Farooqi's Analysis
"PTI Par Aitebar Nahi, Wo U-Turn Le Letay Hen", Sharmila Farooqi
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(Current Affairs)
Host:
- Ashfaq ishaq Satti
Guests:
- Senator Humayun Mohmand PTI
- Rana Ihsaan Afzal Khan PMLN
- Sharmila Farooqi PPP
"Ab Jo Challenge Hai Wo Growth Ka Challenge Hai Laikn Hukumat..." Rana Ihsan Afzal's Analysis
"Fazal ur Rehman Nay Kaha Kay PMLN Aur PPP Nay Unkay Sath Dhoka Kiya", PTI Leader Told Everything
Is PPP Satisfied with the Success of Economic Indicators? Sharmila Farooqi's Analysis
"PTI Par Aitebar Nahi, Wo U-Turn Le Letay Hen", Sharmila Farooqi
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00:13I welcome all of you.
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00:15If we talk about the month of Ramadhan, it has started with blessings and blessings.
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09:55Sharmila Sahiba, you are with the government but not a part of it.
10:01Are you satisfied with the indicators of economic success of the People's Party?
10:11Yes, thank you very much.
10:13I think none of your guests can be satisfied with this.
10:22Mr. Rana is satisfied?
10:26No, Mr. Rana is representing the government and he is saying that some indicators are going towards improvement.
10:34But there is no improvement on the ground yet.
10:37The thing is that 40% of the people in Pakistan are below the poverty line.
10:44It's a huge number.
10:46It means that they are living on a bare minimum.
10:50There is no improvement in that.
10:52When will there be an improvement?
10:53When a common man will have a shortage of food and drink.
10:59When a common man will have better health facilities.
11:04There will be clean drinking water.
11:06Children will be able to go to a good school.
11:08They will be able to buy something with their salary.
11:11They will be able to survive.
11:13They will be able to pay the electricity bill.
11:15They will be able to buy gas at home.
11:17Unfortunately, there is no improvement in this situation.
11:22Look, we are still under the influence of the IMF.
11:26The delegation of the IMF has come.
11:28They are also saying to increase the tax net.
11:31They are also saying to end the tax evasion in the real estate sector.
11:36Even today, the FBR track record shows that they have a shortfall of 608 billion from the target.
11:44So, Mr. Sharmila, they are buying cars to achieve that target.
11:49I don't know if they are buying about 1000 cars.
11:51If you look at NEPRA, they are increasing their salaries themselves.
11:56FBR is buying cars.
12:00They are being given incentives.
12:02Despite that incentive, you are getting a tax shortfall.
12:05Whereas, the salaried class is pissed off.
12:10Professionals are leaving the country.
12:12Because you have imposed so many direct and indirect taxes on the salaried people.
12:17You have squeezed them and sucked their blood.
12:19You have not touched the big things.
12:23Your trade deal scheme has failed.
12:26You have made the industry sit.
12:29If you look at the macro indicators, you have the IMF loan.
12:36The stock exchange is doing well.
12:40How many people invest in the stock exchange?
12:43They must have invested 2.5 to 3 lakhs in a population of 25 crores.
12:48Let me ask that question.
12:55You have a full charge sheet.
12:58You are not doing what you think is right.
13:02There are two ways.
13:04One is to ignore the support of the government.
13:07They cannot run without you.
13:11The second way is to join the cabinet.
13:15Join the cabinet and give your input.
13:18If you have the numbers, you can convince them.
13:22You can give relief to the people in the ministries you have.
13:27Won't that be nice?
13:29There are two things.
13:31Two parts of your answer.
13:33The first part is the cabinet.
13:35I have good relations with the members of the cabinet.
13:40There are some very good people who have been inducted into the cabinet.
13:43But the cabinet did not need 50 members.
13:46There is an austerity drive in the country.
13:48You have to downsize.
13:50You have to shut down utility stores.
13:52You have to fire employees.
13:54You have to bring structural reforms.
13:56You said in your budget.
13:58What the Minister of Finance says every day.
14:02We did not see those structural reforms throughout the year.
14:05You shut down aviation in defence.
14:09You shut down 150 jobs.
14:11You could not privatize PI.
14:14But you gave billions of rupees to their consultants.
14:17That money was wasted.
14:19What will be the benefit of coming to the cabinet?
14:21This is what the Prime Minister gives.
14:23I am not saying that you should not try.
14:25I am sure the Prime Minister is trying.
14:30But when you take a loan from someone.
14:34You have to fulfill their conditions.
14:36But the point is.
14:38You have also imposed agriculture tax in all four provinces.
14:44The farmer who had already died.
14:46There was a weak scandal last year.
14:48Three inquiries were filed against him.
14:50We still do not know the result of that inquiry.
14:52Who is responsible?
14:54The farmer died.
14:56Tell me one thing.
14:58You said.
15:00Even if the Prime Minister wants to do something.
15:02He cannot do it.
15:04Because he is in debt.
15:06He has to pay the loan.
15:08Let's reverse the roles.
15:10If you were in his place.
15:12What difference would you have made?
15:14If you had to take a loan.
15:16And you would have taken a loan.
15:18The cycle would have continued.
15:20What would have been the difference?
15:22First of all.
15:24We do not need such a big cabinet.
15:26One minister can run two ministries.
15:28One minister means.
15:30Vehicle, electricity, salary.
15:32Everything.
15:34You do not need such a big cabinet.
15:36A country that is in debt.
15:38It does not need such a big cabinet.
15:40People's Party.
15:42Without ministries.
15:44Can play an important role.
15:46And it is doing.
15:48Before the budget.
15:50You asked us to discuss the budget.
15:52We have people sitting with us.
15:54Who can give you better advice.
15:56We were not consulted.
15:58Going forward.
16:00There are many things.
16:02People's Party is not consulted.
16:04We say.
16:06There is a way to work.
16:08There is a good way and a bad way.
16:10A lot of things have come together.
16:12A lot of things have come together.
16:14I will take the answer from Mr. Rana.
16:16We will give you another chance.
16:18Mr. Rana.
16:20They are with you.
16:22They are with you.
16:24You have a government.
16:26They are not happy with you.
16:28There are numbers.
16:30What was the point?
16:32There is no point.
16:36In the cabinet.
16:38Each minister.
16:40Had 3-4 ministries.
16:42It is the prerogative of the Prime Minister.
16:44Which player should play where.
16:46It is based on austerity.
16:4811%
16:5411%
16:56According to the cabinet.
16:58It is still below that.
17:00I would like to remind you.
17:02In the time of PTI.
17:04The size of the cabinet was 86.
17:08If you have made a minister of state.
17:10The junior ministers.
17:12They will also get a chance.
17:14To gain experience.
17:16To deliver.
17:18Add-on.
17:20Youth members.
17:22It is a good combination.
17:24Now.
17:26You ask questions about delivery.
17:28Making a team.
17:30It is the prerogative of the Prime Minister.
17:32He took the team to the field.
17:34One year.
17:36I will repeat.
17:38We understand.
17:40What Mr. Humayun said.
17:42It is a challenge.
17:44Poverty rate is at 40%.
17:46What is the solution?
17:48With a big number.
17:508-9%.
17:526%.
17:54We have to grow our GDP.
17:56But Pakistan's history shows.
17:58When GDP grows at 6%.
18:00Your current account.
18:02Deficit.
18:04There is a gap.
18:06It is a consumption based economy.
18:08It is not an export oriented economy.
18:10To change the structure.
18:12And not to go back to the cycle.
18:14It is a challenge.
18:16We can grow fast.
18:18But it is not the choice of the government.
18:20The choice of the government is.
18:22We have to grow Pakistan.
18:24To be sustainable.
18:26Not to come to 1% after 6%.
18:28Go to 8% after 6%.
18:30Go to 10% after 8%.
18:32For that.
18:34Structural reforms are happening.
18:36Whether it is PR.
18:38Commerce ministry.
18:40Finance.
18:42Industry.
18:44Power sector reforms.
18:46IPPs.
18:48Renegotiations.
18:50Electricity prices are going down.
18:52Petrol prices are going down.
18:54We will have to see.
18:56In the summer.
18:58We will have to see.
19:00In the summer.
19:02We will have to see.
19:04In the summer.
19:06There are two people.
19:08Who support the government.
19:10People's party.
19:12Does not support the government.
19:14But you.
19:16As a third party.
19:18If we look at PTI.
19:20If we look at PTI.
19:22As an observer.
19:24As an observer.
19:26What are your thoughts?
19:28Is something happening?
19:30Or is there an increase in the cabinet?
19:32Should this have happened?
19:34Should this have happened?
19:40My point of view.
19:42Regarding the cabinet.
19:44For the sake of.
19:46Governance.
19:48You need more people.
19:50You need more people.
19:52Do 50.
19:54Do 60.
19:56Do 70.
19:58As far as it is giving you an output.
20:00As far as it is giving you an output.
20:02You should not do more than 20.
20:04You should not do more than 20.
20:06You should not do more than 20.
20:08You should not do more than 20.
20:10You should not do more than 20.
20:12You should not do more than 20.
20:14You should not do more than 20.
20:16You should not do more than 20.
20:18You should not do more than 20.
20:20You should not do more than 20.
20:22You should not do more than 20.
20:24You should not do more than 20.
20:26You should not do more than 20.
20:28You should not do more than 20.
20:30We have mentioned inflation.
20:42Exports.
20:46It is not good.
20:50Poverty is increasing.
20:56Calculate it differently.
20:58is 40% and irrespective of that it is much higher.
21:02The third thing is joblessness.
21:04Joblessness is in the middle class and the lower class where large scale industries are not growing.
21:12And remember that in the time of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf and in the history of Pakistan,
21:18when large scale industries have grown, in the time of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf,
21:24in the time of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf, unemployment has increased by 11.6%.
21:26Today it is in the minus.
21:28So this means that you must have seen that 400 spinning mills have been shut down.
21:35So how many jobs must have been wasted in that?
21:37When you look at unemployment, in the time of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf it was 5.4%.
21:43Today it is touching 10.5% or 9.5%.
21:48It is almost double.
21:49So when you have double unemployment, when you have triple inflation,
21:54when you don't have exports, then other things are happening.
21:59And then your crop, your cotton, I think someone is telling that 50% of it has been reduced.
22:07Your floor has been reduced by 11%.
22:14They say they will need 1 billion dollars.
22:17They say they will need 1 billion dollars to import wheat this year.
22:20When your country has a basic agriculture structure,
22:24when major crops are also starting to decrease,
22:29and there is only one reason for this.
22:32The reason for this is that there is no political stability here.
22:36These things are only doing symptomatic treatment.
22:40They are not doing it true.
22:41I definitely agree with this.
22:43If your true economy is growing,
22:45and your true economy grows when you have industrial growth.
22:52When you don't have industrial growth,
22:55like they said that in their 8-month target,
22:59there is a significant shortfall in their revenue generation.
23:03In which IMF predicted that their GDP growth is less than what it had predicted.
23:10So, if you look at it overall, it is not a good sign.
23:15You can play with figures.
23:17If you have more numbers, you can say numbers, not percentage.
23:20If you have more of something else, you can do that.
23:23You can take the figure of the month, not the year.
23:26This is why it is said that words have a bitter taste.
23:29So, Mr. Sharmila, you were talking about the way forward.
23:34So, what do you see?
23:36What can be done if we want to grow the economy?
23:40You gave some suggestions and said that the cabinet should not have been increased.
23:43And you are not going to be a part of it.
23:45At least not yet.
23:47So, what do you think should be the way forward?
23:50Look, the thing is that some things are for optics.
23:53Maybe increasing the cabinet will not cause a loss of billions of rupees to Pakistan.
23:57But there is something called optics.
23:59Even for optics, it is not good for this government
24:02that by increasing the cabinet, they have taken 50 members.
24:05And you are talking about downsizing in a country like Makruz.
24:09You are talking about structural reforms.
24:11Increase the cabinet there.
24:13The second thing is that there is no big rocket science in the country
24:17if you want to take the country to the right direction.
24:20You do structural reforms.
24:22Bring better institutions.
24:23You reduce circular debt.
24:25The good performing discos,
24:28those poor people pay for the corruption of the bad performing discos.
24:34And that is taken from the public.
24:36Right man for the right job.
24:38Yes.
24:39Those who are sitting on your big posts,
24:42those who are taking their salaries,
24:44finish them.
24:45You have made the poor people of small posts more unemployed
24:48by finishing those posts.
24:49The second thing is that you…
24:50But how to determine that who is free and who is not?
24:53I mean, who is going to do that?
24:54Look, the Prime Minister had made a right-sizing and downsizing committee.
24:58Okay.
24:59It was a very good thing.
25:01He made it.
25:03Have you read his resignation letter when he resigned from the downsizing committee?
25:07I have it.
25:08I will send it to you.
25:09You can read it.
25:10Okay.
25:11He has said that all these things are just an eye wash.
25:14The downsizing that should be done,
25:17where it should be done,
25:18it is not happening.
25:19The poor people of small posts are removing them.
25:23They are making them more unemployed.
25:25Okay.
25:26The second thing is that in this country,
25:30you have to increase the tax net.
25:32Many governments have come and gone,
25:34and we keep hearing that they will increase the tax net.
25:37We have heard this even before the last budget.
25:39But what happened?
25:40It has not happened.
25:41They are putting more pressure on the salaried class.
25:43If you catch the big industrialists who are doing tax evasion,
25:46there are big industrialists sitting in this country.
25:48Okay.
25:49You collect tax from them.
25:50Okay.
25:51If you are taking tax from the salaried class,
25:53if you are taking tax from professionals,
25:55and they are leaving the professional country,
25:58because it has become difficult for them to live,
26:02then in this country,
26:03where you talk about IT exports,
26:05there is a need to work on that as well.
26:07You have put a firewall there,
26:09and have shut down the internet.
26:10Okay.
26:11What progress will you make there?
26:12We will continue the discussion on this, Sharmila.
26:14We will take a break here.
26:15We will be back after the break.
26:16Okay.
26:20After the break,
26:21we welcome you all once again.
26:23And let's talk a little.
26:25We have talked about the economy.
26:27We have talked about the economy to a great extent.
26:29Senator, please tell us,
26:31Humayun Mohammad,
26:32the statement that Irfan Siddiqui has given,
26:35which I have shown at the beginning of the program,
26:37he says that your union is also going to be formed.
26:40First of all,
26:41regarding the formation of the union,
26:42there are safeguards.
26:43Secondly,
26:44he says that there is no danger from that.
26:46On what basis is he saying that
26:48there will not be such a bite force?
26:54Look,
26:55it is like this,
26:56if People's Party and PMLN can meet each other,
27:00then anything in the world can meet each other.
27:03The bad history of these two,
27:06on the women of each other's political family,
27:11someone is getting an FIR filed on someone,
27:13someone is throwing someone's pictures,
27:15and someone will drag someone,
27:17what will someone do,
27:18someone will tear the tree, etc.
27:20So that is it,
27:21no one is doing more than that.
27:23But if we look at this history,
27:25look at one thing, Senator,
27:27it has been 20 years,
27:29look at the history of the MISA,
27:31it is a long time document,
27:32and the history before that,
27:33even after that,
27:34you will see,
27:35a lot has happened.
27:36Yes, it was a statement after that,
27:37I remember.
27:38Sir,
27:39Mr. Satish,
27:40this is a recent thing.
27:42Yes,
27:43I remember.
27:44Now,
27:45dragging on the streets,
27:46dragging on the streets,
27:47and my name will not be Shahbaz Sharif,
27:49they have also challenged India,
27:51that my name will not be Shahbaz Sharif,
27:52that if they don't leave the economy of India,
27:54then their name,
27:55I don't know,
27:56even the people of India are making fun of them,
27:58so they should leave that.
28:00But I will tell you one thing,
28:02I know that Maulana Fazlur Rahman,
28:04has said one thing very clearly.
28:06What is that?
28:07He has said,
28:08that both these parties,
28:10PMLN and People's Party,
28:12have cheated them.
28:14Okay,
28:15in that,
28:16PTI,
28:17JUI,
28:18and if we go from there,
28:20then we can call Peer of Pagada,
28:22and bring them together.
28:24So,
28:25if all three of them come together,
28:27then we can put a significant dent everywhere.
28:29But,
28:30they have already asked for bail,
28:32can they be routed out?
28:34What are the bails that Maulana is waiting for?
28:36Look,
28:37I don't know.
28:38Look,
28:39the bail that has been asked,
28:40the problem with that is that,
28:42this government is so scared.
28:44Now,
28:45Irfan Siddiqui is saying,
28:47that there is no fear,
28:49but their fear is that,
28:51when the High Court tells them,
28:53to meet Imran Khan,
28:55they don't meet him.
28:57Either,
28:58they don't respect the courts,
29:00or they don't have anything.
29:02Okay,
29:03Mr. Rana,
29:04your thoughts on that?
29:05First of all,
29:06tell us,
29:07Mr. Irfan Siddiqui has said,
29:08that this is not possible.
29:09Secondly,
29:10we are seeing,
29:11that the communities,
29:12from which he is talking,
29:13they are also waiting for bail.
29:14They want,
29:15some guarantees from them.
29:17Then,
29:18Mr. Kamran Murtaza has also said,
29:20that for now,
29:21there is no intention to come to the streets,
29:22with PTI.
29:23So,
29:24it seems that,
29:25in the month of Ramadan,
29:26will these people be able to do anything,
29:28regarding the conditions?
29:31Look,
29:32this,
29:33the,
29:34the announcement that they had just issued,
29:36in that also,
29:38there was no,
29:39JUIF,
29:40there was no signatory for that.
29:42So,
29:43I don't think that,
29:44if,
29:45not only,
29:46JUIF is saying this,
29:47but,
29:48Khaqan Abbasi,
29:49has also said,
29:50that if they want to protest,
29:51they can do it themselves.
29:52So,
29:53I don't think,
29:54that this is of any kind.
29:55And anyway,
29:56if you look at the history of Pakistan,
29:58then,
29:59through street protests,
30:00there is no threat,
30:01to the government.
30:02One second,
30:03I will stop you,
30:04and let you listen.
30:05Let me listen,
30:06to what Khaqan Abbasi,
30:07was saying.
30:08Maybe,
30:09Khaqan Abbasi,
30:10and Mr. Kamran Murtaza,
30:11will let us listen.
30:13Take it this way,
30:14that we were in opposition,
30:15and we will be.
30:16But,
30:17we don't know,
30:18if we will be,
30:19in any alliance,
30:20till now.
30:21Formal alliance,
30:22or electoral alliance,
30:23or political alliance,
30:24this is not there yet.
30:25Right now,
30:26it is just a coincidence.
30:27If,
30:28it is a coincidence,
30:29then a political alliance,
30:30can be formed.
30:31So,
30:32it is just a coincidence,
30:33and not yet decided.
30:34Yes,
30:35Mr. Rana.
30:36See,
30:37I was saying,
30:38that,
30:39it is obvious,
30:40that,
30:41and anyway,
30:42the alliances,
30:43of big communities,
30:44can cause,
30:45a potential threat.
30:46Like,
30:47you saw,
30:48in the era of PDM,
30:49JUIF,
30:50People's Party,
30:51and PMLN,
30:52which are big communities,
30:53which have street power,
30:54had an alliance.
30:55But,
30:56that too,
30:57with street power,
30:58they protested,
30:59and did everything.
31:00But,
31:01they never broke up.
31:02And anyway,
31:03the change that came,
31:04was through no confidence.
31:05Okay.
31:06So,
31:07there is no danger,
31:08for the government.
31:09And anyway,
31:10the people,
31:11have become ill-informed,
31:12due to PTI,
31:13and PTI's,
31:14violence.
31:15And that,
31:16that verification,
31:17happens from here,
31:18or,
31:19when they came,
31:20on Yom Siyam,
31:21then,
31:22not only KPK,
31:23but in Punjab,
31:24we didn't see,
31:25any protest at all.
31:26Similarly,
31:27when Mr. Khan,
31:28was punished for 14 years,
31:29then in KPK,
31:30not even two people,
31:31came out with a banner,
31:32there was no protest,
31:33against this punishment.
31:34And anyway,
31:35the infighting,
31:36of PTI,
31:37they first correct that,
31:38then they,
31:39now these people,
31:40have become a threat,
31:41for each other.
31:42In PTI.
31:43So,
31:44how will this,
31:45spread outside,
31:46then see,
31:47what they say,
31:48against Dhandi,
31:49there,
31:50JUIF claims,
31:51that,
31:52Dhandi happened,
31:53there,
31:54beneficiaries,
31:55in KPK,
31:56PTI people,
31:57so now,
31:58there are a lot of issues,
31:59then now,
32:00the summers will come,
32:01in summers,
32:02there are no protests,
32:03so I,
32:04generally speaking,
32:05we don't see,
32:06any problem,
32:07then the economy is better,
32:08that means,
32:09the weather,
32:10is also a factor.
32:11Sharmila Sahiba,
32:12at this time,
32:13this debate,
32:14about this,
32:15the alliance,
32:16that is going to be formed,
32:17in which the government,
32:18is also talking about,
32:19anti-movement,
32:20that it can start after Eid,
32:21but for that,
32:22a grand alliance,
32:23must be formed.
32:24Now,
32:25Khakhan Abbasi,
32:26you have heard,
32:27what he said,
32:28that now,
32:29it is a coincidence,
32:30we will see,
32:31what happens.
32:32The idea of JUI,
32:33has also come forward.
32:34Do you think,
32:35that they will be able,
32:36to form a substantial alliance,
32:37against the government?
32:38To be very honest with you,
32:39see,
32:40I don't trust JUI,
32:41very much,
32:42because,
32:43they take U-turns,
32:44very quickly.
32:45The second thing,
32:46is that,
32:47there is a lot of discord,
32:48in their own Jamaat.
32:49Who is running this Jamaat,
32:50we don't understand,
32:51that Imran Khan is running it,
32:52or Bushra Bibi is running it,
32:53or Halima Bibi is running it,
32:54or Barrister Gohar is running it,
32:55who is running it?
32:56There is a lot of discord,
32:57within their ranks.
32:58Now,
32:59you will remember,
33:00that the government,
33:01and the opposition,
33:02had formed,
33:03a discussion committee,
33:04which the speaker,
33:05was heading.
33:06There were three,
33:07very good sessions,
33:08in which,
33:09the issues,
33:10were moving,
33:11in the right direction.
33:12And,
33:13it seemed,
33:14that somewhere,
33:15there might be,
33:16a small breakthrough.
33:17You can't expect much,
33:18from them.
33:19But,
33:20you saw,
33:21the condition,
33:22of the opposition.
33:23That,
33:24instead of attending,
33:25the fourth meeting,
33:26and seeing,
33:27what response,
33:28they got,
33:29from the government,
33:30on their demands,
33:31they boycotted.
33:32So,
33:33obviously,
33:34there is,
33:35a strange,
33:36atmosphere,
33:37within them,
33:38that,
33:39they can't perform,
33:40in the parliament,
33:41nor can they perform,
33:42on the streets.
33:43Now,
33:44the situation is,
33:45that,
33:46look,
33:47from there,
33:48you boycotted,
33:49Shahid Faqah Nawazi,
33:50from there,
33:51you boycotted,
33:52a nationalist,
33:53came to Sindh,
33:54sat,
33:55did sessions,
33:56ate,
33:57drank,
33:58and left.
33:59Here,
34:00the situation is,
34:01the same.
34:02Look,
34:03to run movements,
34:04you need,
34:05to do politics,
34:06more than your own self,
34:07because,
34:08if you do politics,
34:09for your own self,
34:10it will never be successful.
34:11In their politics,
34:12and,
34:13in their collective,
34:14the public,
34:15doesn't care.
34:16The problems of the public,
34:17inflation,
34:18unemployment,
34:19poverty,
34:20this is not on their agenda,
34:21that,
34:22if we want to run a movement,
34:23against the government,
34:24we have to run it,
34:25on these issues.
34:26They want to run a movement,
34:27that prisoner number 804,
34:28remains,
34:29they want to run a movement,
34:30that our cases end,
34:31they want to run a movement,
34:32that we are in power.
34:33This,
34:34this,
34:35this,
34:36this,
34:37this is personal interest politics.
34:38This is not politics,
34:39for the people of Pakistan.
34:40Alright.
34:41This is not successful.
34:42To run movements,
34:43to bring in a real democracy,
34:44you have to make sacrifices,
34:45that are made by the people's party.
34:46You have to sacrifice your lives.
34:47You can sit here,
34:48but I would be happy,
34:49if a good opposition,
34:50is formed,
34:51because,
34:52a robust opposition,
34:53can keep a check and balance,
34:54on the government.
34:55This is such a broken,
34:56and weak opposition,
34:57that there is no question,
34:58on the government.
34:59This is such a weak opposition,
35:00that there is no question,
35:01on the government.
35:02So,
35:03this is a political,
35:04this is a political,
35:05I don't think it is because of concern for the government.
35:35We are seeing that there are reservations about why this was done.
35:39First, I would like to briefly ask you to express your opinion on this.
35:43Then we will move ahead.
35:47Look, basically, if you take out old recordings,
35:54what did Rana Sanaullah Sahib say about him?
35:57He said that if NAB was independent,
36:00if NAB was independent, he would have definitely filed a case against this person.
36:05And he would have given a reference to BRT.
36:07Then these people have proved that the people they have done,
36:11and their own Khawaja Saad and the rest of the senior people,
36:17they have ignored them.
36:19But what about their own senior people?
36:21This is a senior party.
36:23Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaaf was a junior party.
36:26He did not have any senior politicians whom we used to take.
36:31You have been sticking to this country since 1985.
36:37You have a lot of people.
36:39There was a personality who was said to be the biggest dacoit of Punjab.
36:43And even today, he is your biggest ally.
36:46And he was there during that time as well.
36:47So, you people have also taken many such actions.
36:49Look, I will tell you.
36:51Look, it is like this.
36:53In this country, every political party has said a lot about every other political party.
37:01They have said a lot.
37:03And then you sit with them and make a government.
37:06Or you sit with their things and make a government.
37:08You are doing the same thing.
37:09You are supposed to be different.
37:10But hold on.
37:11Hold on.
37:12Allow me.
37:13Just allow me.
37:14Sir, listen to me.
37:15We are not doing the same thing.
37:16We have not done anything in KP.
37:18We have a government in KP.
37:20We could have put people in KP.
37:22But we made a mistake.
37:25We learned a lesson from it.
37:27Okay.
37:28These people are coming for the 4th time.
37:30They are coming for the 5th time.
37:31But they are doing the same thing again and again.
37:34The reason for that is that these people were not at fault.
37:38And for them, politics is about getting into power.
37:42Okay, I will give you an example.
37:44We were talking just now.
37:45Before this, we were talking that these people have done something to their cabinet.
37:49Tell me one thing.
37:50Have you ever seen a single political party in the world
37:55that a single political party has printed 6 pages of newspapers,
38:00409 advertisements,
38:03and 200 pictures in different dresses?
38:08What are you doing?
38:11Okay, I will answer.
38:13You have looted so much money.
38:16You should have invested in it.
38:17I will answer.
38:18Why are you destroying the country's money from the pockets of the poor?
38:21I will answer.
38:22Mr. Rana, please tell me.
38:24First of all, this minister did not even get a pen.
38:30The names of the people who have come have been revealed.
38:32Then we saw that people have been taken from different parties across the board.
38:36Including Mr. Parvez Khattak.
38:38But the seniors have been ignored.
38:41Very rightly said that Khawaja Saad Rafiq has not been mentioned.
38:46Or he himself refused to become a minister.
38:48What happened?
38:49Why didn't the other seniors come forward?
38:52Most of the cabinet members are parliamentarians.
38:58And some people have come as advisors.
39:00It is the prerogative of the prime minister
39:02that he has to give the formation to his team
39:06or where he has to place the people.
39:08Now, don't say that it is the job of the captain
39:11to make anyone sit on the field.
39:13We have heard this statement.
39:15There is no doubt about it.
39:17It is the right of the prime minister.
39:19But there has to be a mechanism.
39:22There has to be some rationality behind it.
39:25It is democracy.
39:27People will ask questions.
39:29There are rational choices.
39:32Listen to what I am saying.
39:36At least you can sit here and say
39:40that the reason behind this decision
39:43is that this person is better than that person.
39:47Don't say that because it is the right of the prime minister
39:50he can do it.
39:52It is my wish.
39:53No, it is not like that.
39:56There are young politicians
40:01who have got MOS seats.
40:04They have connections with the old party.
40:06They had to give representation to KPK.
40:09They did it.
40:11Mr. Iqtiyar is upset with you.
40:16Mr. Iqtiyar is a good person.
40:21He should have been a part of it.
40:23There are a lot of people who didn't.
40:25They always miss out.
40:28There are a lot of people who deserve it.
40:33It is a difficult choice.
40:39He is a good candidate.
40:43He made Mubarak Zaid.
40:47He didn't make Mr. Rana.
40:49Mr. Rana is defending bravely.
40:51Maybe he will be the next candidate.
40:53Mr. Sharmila, tell me
40:55was Mr. Bilawal supposed to meet the PM?
40:59There should be meetings.
41:03Mr. Bilawal Bhutto Zardari is the chairman of PPP.
41:09There is a written agreement between PPP and PMLN.
41:13PMLN hasn't reached an agreement yet.
41:16Unfortunately, there is a situation
41:21in which PPP has reservations.
41:24Especially in Punjab.
41:27It should be addressed.
41:30What were the agreements that PPP didn't follow?
41:37Before the budget, PMLN should have consulted PPP.
41:46That didn't happen.
41:48We gave a token representation in Parliament.
41:52We were promised to address all the issues.
41:57We helped them pass the budget.
42:00There are many issues in Punjab.
42:04We need to address them.
42:08There is an issue in Sindh.
42:10There is an issue in Kanals.
42:12We have taken our case to the Council of Common Interest.
42:21It's been a year since PMLN called for a CCI meeting.
42:27It's a violation of the constitution.
42:29It should be done after 3 months.
42:31Sindh has written a written agreement
42:34to not start the project
42:36until the technical issues are addressed.
42:39These are things.
42:41Let's hope it gets discussed.
42:43We need time to address these issues.
42:48We will discuss it when we meet.
42:51Thank you so much for your time.
42:56We will take a break.
43:00Welcome back.
43:02Political stability is very important.
43:05A country can progress
43:07if all political parties
43:09think about the future of the country.
43:11Think about the betterment of the country.
43:13Think about the end of poverty.
43:16At the end of the program,
43:18we will discuss the last program
43:20which was broadcast on 21st January.
43:22At the beginning of the program,
43:24the host gave his personal opinion.
43:26It has nothing to do with the institution.
43:29If anyone is offended,
43:31the institution apologizes.
43:34That's all for now.
43:36Goodbye.