The Reporters | Khawar Ghumman, Chaudhry Ghulam Hussain & Hassan Ayub | ARY News | 30th January 2025
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, dear viewers, welcome to the program.
00:21Today is 30th January, Thursday, and in the program, I have with me Mr. Chaudhry Ghulam
00:26from Lahore, and Hassan Ayyub is with me in Islamabad.
00:29Viewers, let us begin today's program.
00:32PFUJ has just been announced, and this PICA Act that has been passed,
00:38and the reforms that have been made by the government of the time,
00:41against that, PFUJ has announced to hold a day of darkness in the country.
00:47The press club union of the country will wave a black flag, this is the announcement of PFUJ.
00:52A protest rally will be held against the PICA Act, this has also been announced by PFUJ.
00:58The press will cover government and non-government events with black flags.
01:04The government, the National Assembly, and the Senate did not consult with the stakeholders on the PICA reform bill.
01:09This has been announced.
01:11The Joint Action Committee had appealed to the President of the country to meet again and again.
01:17It is very saddening that the President of the country did not meet again and signed the bill.
01:24We condemn this.
01:26Outside the Parliament House, a protest rally will also be held against the PICA Act in the coming days.
01:32Therefore, since the beginning of this matter, there has been a journalistic movement.
01:38Today, PFUJ has announced that this movement will continue in the coming days.
01:46The new law passed by the Under-Lawless Government, which is being declared by the black law PFUJ,
01:53will not be revoked or revamped with the consultation of the journalistic organizations.
02:01Viewers of the program, today is our first day of discussions.
02:07As you know, three committees have been formed by Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf and Pakistan Hukumat-e-Ibad.
02:14We had to sit in the fourth meeting.
02:18After that, Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf said that we will not sit with you until you make a commission on 9th and 26th November.
02:32Therefore, they boycotted.
02:34Now, statements are coming from both sides.
02:39Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf has run away from the field.
02:53Today, the Prime Minister also said that he was ready to make a committee on this issue.
03:03Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf said that we are not running away from this issue.
03:08But if there is to be a discussion, then there should be a discussion on some incidents in the past.
03:14But first of all, Mr. Chaudhary Ghulam, I would like to hear your initial comments.
03:19You think that the government of the time will go backwards?
03:35Because in the past, we have seen that whether it was the 1980s or 1990s,
03:42when Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf tried to bring about changes,
03:47then all the laws had to be taken back.
03:50And the journalists were not at ease until they reached their destination.
03:55So, do you think that this time the journalists will be successful?
03:58Of course, they will be successful.
04:01Because this is a matter of the journalism itself.
04:04You can say whatever you want.
04:06But the consequences of this will be disastrous.
04:09Instead, the world is moving forward.
04:11It is providing more facilities and freedoms.
04:14It is giving the media and the voice a chance to rise in all countries and societies.
04:20And in Pakistan, they are busy strangling everything.
04:24Because what they are seeing is that, as I have said before,
04:31they have nothing to sell.
04:33They are busy strangling and strangling others all the time.
04:39So, the way the journalists and all the organizations have announced today,
04:46they will have to kneel down in front of the government one day.
04:52And they will have to expel the freedom fighters.
04:54If they don't, then it will remain a battlefield.
04:57Or they will have to close all the institutions.
05:00It is not possible for people to sit quietly in the presence of such dark laws.
05:06Hassan, there was a law passed by Maulana Sahib.
05:10It was passed.
05:12When Maulana Sahib stood up on his feet, he said,
05:15you will have to take it back.
05:17Then the government took it back.
05:18A new ordinance was also introduced.
05:20Do you think you will give advice to the government of the time
05:23that when the journalists are saying that they are talking to us,
05:25at least do the consultation.
05:26At least listen to our concerns.
05:28After that, you will reject them.
05:30So, will the government do anything about it?
05:33Look, the thing is that the threats that are there at the moment,
05:40should be removed.
05:41The reservations should be removed.
05:43And more reforms can be brought in this.
05:46And there is always room for improvement in the law.
05:49And if there is room for improvement and improvement can be brought in,
05:53and if stakeholders express confidence in it,
05:56then such an action should be taken.
05:58And there should not be a problem of ego in this.
06:01The second thing is that,
06:03like yesterday, Afzal Bhatt Sahib was present with us in the program.
06:07He was saying that the Minister of Information kept talking to us
06:11and then we had a problem.
06:12So, I think that Afzal Bhatt Sahib should demand the resignation of the Minister of Information.
06:17If he has been deceived by him.
06:20You are also a journalist.
06:21Sir, I am not a leader at the moment.
06:23Have you read the law?
06:24Have you read the law?
06:25My leader is Afzal Bhatt Sahib.
06:27You listen to me.
06:29My leader is Afzal Bhatt Sahib.
06:31He has to take the decision.
06:32We will go to the government.
06:33You leave Afzal Bhatt Sahib as he is.
06:35In your opinion, should we demand from the government of the time
06:38or should you tell the leader to ask for resignation?
06:41If he is saying that he has been deceived,
06:44then it should be done.
06:45Whoever has been deceived,
06:46he has to demand it or I have to demand it.
06:48You have not deceived me.
06:49We are a community.
06:50Why not?
06:51He has been deceived by all of us.
06:52He has been deceived by all of us.
06:55No Sir.
06:56There is a slight difference.
06:57Why?
06:58I take his words.
06:59He has been deceived by all of us.
07:01Now, we have to see if we have made a mistake.
07:05Can our leaders have a mutual understanding?
07:10I can raise questions on this as well.
07:13If they have a mutual understanding,
07:15then they should at least take a hard line.
07:17Sir, the PIKA Act is an illegal act.
07:20If you are looking for a conspiracy behind this,
07:23then you should take a documentary evidence.
07:26Sir, you are confusing me.
07:29I am not confusing you.
07:30Whose understanding are you talking about?
07:32He has told us on the record.
07:34He has told us on the record.
07:36You are demanding a resignation.
07:38You are demanding a resignation.
07:39This PFJJ has to demand a resignation.
07:42What is the power of the PFJJ?
07:43I will stand behind the PFJJ.
07:45What is their power?
07:46If they demand a resignation,
07:51then I will stand behind the PFJJ.
07:59If they do not demand a resignation,
08:02then it means that they have not been deceived.
08:10Mr. Javed Lateef of the PIKA,
08:13has diagnosed this conspiracy.
08:18Mr. Hassan Ayub does not take it seriously,
08:22but he considers himself a serious politician of the PIKA.
08:28He has given an analysis on this conspiracy.
08:34That is very interesting.
08:35Listen.
08:36Both the committees were created out of fear.
08:41There is only one reason for the discussion to end.
08:44Those who were discussing,
08:46were not sitting to make a success of the discussion.
08:53Those who were enjoying the government issues,
08:59were doing it because the person sitting inside,
09:01knows that he is not in a position to leave this.
09:05If the pressure does not increase,
09:09then the person inside is happy,
09:11because his agenda is being fulfilled.
09:15Pakistan's economy is also doing its job.
09:22The political system does not allow it.
09:26Mr. Chaudhary, did you understand Mr. Javed Lateef's statement?
09:31What is he saying?
09:33Whatever he is saying,
09:35but the thing is that the ministers had to take the discussion to the end.
09:40If it did not go, then we will have to do it again tomorrow.
09:42There is no other way.
09:44If the atmosphere of violence is to be created,
09:46whether it is created on 8th or today,
09:48that should not be acceptable for the country.
09:51But here seriously,
09:54all this is not being shown.
09:56But viewers,
09:59the government had said from day one,
10:03Mr. Javed Lateef had just spoken,
10:05Mr. Rana had said,
10:07we can only give what we want.
10:09Those who are talking to us,
10:12should talk to us according to our situation.
10:16We should move the matter forward.
10:19The commission is inside your situation.
10:21The commission is outside your situation.
10:24If we do not take it forward,
10:26then we should come out of those thoughts.
10:28Those who think that if we do this, then we will do that.
10:32This is not going to happen.
10:35Mr. Javed Lateef is saying that the inside is happy,
10:37and the outside is happy.
10:39So this is how the matter will go on.
10:41Mr. Javed Lateef is a free man.
10:44What do you say?
10:46Look, I am happy today.
10:48The analysis went in the bin.
10:50They said that the negotiations will be successful in every way.
10:53I thought that there is so much confidence,
10:55that they will be successful,
10:57because they have the inside information.
10:59But what happened?
11:01What was the result?
11:03The committee that was formed regarding the negotiations,
11:05which was made by the PDA,
11:07was analyzed.
11:09So I was thinking that today,
11:11I should ask them,
11:13the audience,
11:15I should raise this question in my show,
11:17that there was so much confidence,
11:19and what was the reality?
11:21So you were firing without any information?
11:24This is what happened.
11:26The people who were saying that they will be successful at every cost,
11:28that they have been successful,
11:30all those things went in the bin.
11:32Look, it is a pity.
11:33The negotiations should have been successful.
11:35The negotiations should have resulted.
11:37There should have been a working relationship between the government and the opposition.
11:39But unfortunately,
11:41all these things proved to be wrong.
11:43And unfortunately, my prediction proved to be right.
11:45And I said that after President Trump's vote,
11:47the PDA will run away.
11:49And that is what happened.
11:51Justice will run away from the negotiations.
11:53And it is very unfortunate.
11:55I am not happy that my prediction proved to be right.
11:57And I am not happy that the news of Mubassir Ahmed's election
11:59proved to be wrong.
12:01But I am sorry that
12:03these issues should be resolved.
12:05Khawar, I want to say something.
12:07Yes, yes, I am coming to you.
12:09I am coming to you.
12:11Yes, Mr. Chaudhary, please go ahead.
12:13First of all,
12:15Mr. Khawar, if you are pointing towards me,
12:17I have never said that
12:19these negotiations will be successful.
12:21I have always said that
12:23the negotiations are going on
12:25and they will be successful.
12:27And I have written to them.
12:29And I am announcing it today as well.
12:31They have no other option.
12:33But he is sanely mistaken.
12:35He has no information.
12:37You can call someone else.
12:39I asked General Bajwa yesterday.
12:41He said that it is not permissible.
12:43I was insulted by the former Prime Minister.
12:45You can talk to General Bajwa
12:47some other day.
12:49But one thing is for sure.
12:51The story of Mr. Chaudhary
12:53is that the negotiations
12:55with whom PTI
12:57is going to be held
12:59have already taken place.
13:01Mr. Chaudhary still claims
13:03that the negotiations
13:05will be successful.
13:07And it is just a matter of time.
13:09But obviously,
13:11this is his news.
13:13He is in the parliament.
13:15And he is lying to me.
13:17I am not lying to you.
13:19But I have written to them.
13:21I am clarifying.
13:23This is wrong.
13:25I am confirming your news.
13:27You said that the negotiations
13:29with whom PTI is going to be held
13:31have already taken place.
13:33What did Mr. Rana Salaullah say?
13:35Whatever he asked us,
13:37he asked us what we have.
13:39The negotiations
13:41with whom PTI is going to be held
13:43should be conducted
13:45according to our capacity.
13:47The matter should be handled.
13:49The commission is in your capacity.
13:51The commission is outside your capacity.
13:53Don't take it to the deadlock.
13:55Get out of those thoughts.
13:57Those who think
13:59that if we do this,
14:01we will do that.
14:03This is not going to happen.
14:05Yesterday,
14:07Irfan Sadiqi said
14:09that if he had sat with us,
14:11we would have given him
14:13more than he expected.
14:15We could have done that.
14:17But if he had sat with us,
14:19he would have gotten
14:21more than he expected.
14:23He would have got
14:25what he was not expecting.
14:27If he had sat with us,
14:29we would have talked to him.
14:31Neither you nor he will know.
14:35Neither he nor he will know.
14:37Today, Mr. Shahbaz Sharif,
14:39the Chief Executive of Pakistan,
14:41the government is with him.
14:43He is the Captain of the Cabinet.
14:45What did he say
14:47regarding the negotiations?
14:49After the election of 2018,
14:51I entered the parliament
14:53with black banners.
14:55Mr. Ghanam Niazi
14:57came forward and told me
14:59that we are making a committee,
15:01a house committee,
15:03and it will investigate everything.
15:05He announced that
15:07that day will come,
15:09and this day will come.
15:11The committee must have been made.
15:13One day it was held,
15:15and the rest is history.
15:17He said that in 2018,
15:19a house committee was made,
15:21not a judicial commission.
15:23He said that a house committee
15:25was made, not a judicial commission.
15:27He asked us to also
15:29take a house committee.
15:31We are ready for a house committee.
15:33The committee that was made in 2018
15:35must also complete its work.
15:37The committee that was made in 2024
15:39must also be a house committee.
15:41It must bring the facts to light.
15:43Similarly,
15:45if we talk about the protests
15:47on 26th November,
15:49then the house committee
15:51must also remove
15:53the protests of 2014
15:55and also remove the protests
15:57of 26th November, 2024.
15:59The problem is that
16:01if we talk about 2014,
16:03then the PTI says that
16:05we should go a little further
16:07because there are many other issues
16:09in Pakistan's recent political history.
16:11If they want to go to 2014,
16:13then we will start onwards
16:15from Gen. Musharraf Zehra
16:17that who was allowed
16:19to run away from the country
16:21with the permission of the law
16:23and the constitution.
16:25We will start from there.
16:27We will start from the movement
16:29and then
16:31in 2013,
16:33the whole phase will come.
16:35Then many protests
16:37will come.
16:39Not only our protest,
16:41but the protest of 2014
16:43will also come.
16:49If they want to go to 2014
16:51with Ibsen,
16:53then going back to 2014
16:55is not a crime.
16:57If they want to go to 2014
16:59with the permission of the law,
17:01then we will start from there.
17:03We will also bring in the case
17:05of Asghar Khan,
17:07who took money from the IGA.
17:09I think this was expected
17:11that the house committee
17:13did not bring anything
17:15from the government of Patari.
17:17If there is,
17:19then we will make a commission.
17:21I wanted to say that
17:23the political party
17:25has a lot of influence.
17:27I would like to say that
17:29Barrister Gohar,
17:31who is the chairman,
17:33and Umar Ayub,
17:35who is the leader of the opposition,
17:37are saying that
17:39we are not having any
17:41back and forth negotiations.
17:43The security sources
17:45from the establishment
17:47are also saying that
17:49we are not having any
17:51kind of negotiations.
17:53Both sides are saying
17:55that there are negotiations
17:57between the establishment
17:59and the PTI.
18:01But some people are adamant
18:03that they are negotiating.
18:05Who should I believe to be the truth?
18:07Our innocent commentators
18:09who are like us,
18:11who do not have information,
18:13we obviously see things.
18:15But we saw that when democracy
18:17happened, it was decided
18:19that we will hide
18:21behind the closed door
18:23and will not talk to the establishment.
18:25The Charter of Democracy
18:27was not signed yet.
18:29The negotiations of the PTI
18:31were going very fast
18:33with the establishment.
18:35We showed you the book
18:37of Condoleezza Rice
18:39during the last two weeks.
18:41That is also in front of you.
18:43After that,
18:45when a big movement
18:47was going on,
18:49you must remember
18:51that a caravan reached Gujranwala.
18:53The Gujranwala establishment
18:55called the people
18:57and asked them to go back.
18:59Mr. Nawaz Sharif was called.
19:01After that,
19:03the matter was decided.
19:05There are some historical incidents.
19:07Who will be responsible
19:09for this matter of negotiations?
19:11Whose news will be true?
19:13Whose news will be false?
19:15Time will tell.
19:17Mr. Nawaz Sharif will talk
19:19about his news.
19:21We should always respect
19:23the etiquette.
19:25We have heard this since childhood
19:27that we should respect
19:29the etiquette.
19:31We should talk about this
19:33in this context.
19:35This is all across.
19:37This is not for one person.
19:39Let's go to a short break.
19:41After the break,
19:43we will talk about
19:45the role of a Parliamentary Committee
19:47in an investigation.
19:49Does a House Committee
19:51have the power
19:53to conduct a criminal investigation?
19:55Stay with us.
19:57A small audience
19:59will tell you
20:01a comparative analysis
20:03of the difference
20:05between a Parliamentary Committee
20:07and a Judicial Commission.
20:09Which one is more
20:11powerful?
20:13According to the Inquiry Commission Act 2017,
20:15a Judicial Commission
20:17is established through
20:19notification of the government.
20:21The Judicial Commission
20:23has executive authority
20:25along with the court.
20:27All proceedings of the Inquiry Commission
20:29are considered as Judicial Proceedings.
20:31The Judiciary and the Prosecutor's Office
20:33are under the jurisdiction of the Commission.
20:35The Commission can ask for
20:37any person, any court
20:39or any government official
20:41to testify before the Commission.
20:43The Judicial Commission
20:45has equal powers
20:47to refuse any intervention
20:49or cooperation
20:51and to conduct the proceedings
20:53under the jurisdiction
20:55of the High Court.
20:57The Federal Government
20:59is bound to publish
21:01the final report
21:03of the Judicial Commission
21:05in 30 days.
21:07However,
21:09the Special Parliamentary Committee
21:11is notified by the Speaker
21:13of the National Assembly
21:15for any investigation.
21:17The Government and the Opposition
21:19are involved in the Special Parliamentary Committee.
21:21All relevant institutions
21:23are bound to cooperate
21:25with the Special Parliamentary Committee
21:27during the Inquiry.
21:29However, the Special Parliamentary Committee
21:31is notified
21:33about the duration
21:35of the Inquiry
21:37and is not legally binding
21:39on the recommendations of the Special Parliamentary Committee.
21:41This is a big flaw
21:43of the Special Parliamentary Committee.
21:45However, the purpose of the Special Parliamentary Committee
21:47is to identify the perpetrators
21:49and bring them to justice.
21:51Let me tell you a little history
21:53of the big commissions in Pakistan.
21:55Justice Munir's commission
21:57was established in 1953.
21:59When riots took place in Lahore,
22:01Justice Munir was the head
22:03of the Martial Law Committee.
22:05Justice Hamood-ur-Rehman's commission
22:07was established in 1971.
22:09Justice Shafiq-ur-Rehman's commission
22:11was established in 1994
22:13by the Pakistan People's Party.
22:15The commission was based on human rights
22:17and enforced disappearances.
22:19The Abbottabad commission
22:21was established
22:23when Osama Bin Laden
22:25was killed in Abbottabad.
22:27After that,
22:29another judicial commission
22:31was established
22:33during the elections
22:35in 2013.
22:37The Panama Papers Inquiry Commission
22:39was established
22:41which led to the JIT.
22:43Justice Qazi-Faiz-Ishaq's commission
22:45was established
22:47during the Faizabad protest
22:49in 2019.
22:51The Inquiry Commission on APS
22:53Peshawar attack was established
22:55in 2020.
22:57Let me tell you a little history
22:59of the Parliamentary Committees
23:01which were established
23:03during the 1947 elections.
23:05The first committee was
23:07the Constitutional Assembly
23:09in 1947.
23:11The next constitutional commission
23:13was established in 1960
23:15led by Justice Shahab-ud-Din
23:17under General Yub's regime.
23:19After that,
23:21a constitutional committee
23:23was established
23:25led by Parliament
23:27drafted in 1973.
23:29A Parliamentary Commission
23:31on the Fall of Dhaka
23:33was established
23:35under Hamoodur Rehman's
23:37formal investigation.
23:39A Parliamentary Commission
23:41on the Fall of Dhaka
23:43was established in 1971.
23:45A Commission on the Revival
23:47of Democracy was established
23:49under General Zia's regime
23:51in 1985.
23:53A Commission on the Kargil
23:55Conflict was established
23:57later on.
23:59A Parliamentary
24:01Committee on Constitutional
24:03Reforms was established
24:05in 2009-10
24:07led by Raza Rabbani.
24:09Similarly,
24:11a Parliamentary Committee
24:13was established
24:15under the 2017 Election Act.
24:17Most of the Parliamentary Committees
24:19work on legislation.
24:21Investigation
24:23is not done by the Judicial Commission.
24:25Hassan,
24:27what do you think
24:29if a Judicial Commission
24:31is established
24:33by the Government,
24:35what is the problem?
24:37The crimes committed
24:39are already in the courts.
24:41What is the problem in that?
24:43There are courts in the places
24:45where the case is going on.
24:47They are accusing the Government
24:49that they do not trust the Government.
24:51They claim that the Government
24:53and all the authorities
24:55of the Executive
24:57are part of the crime.
24:59This is what they claim.
25:01For that, they are asking
25:03for an independent
25:05Judicial Commission.
25:07The crimes were committed
25:09by the PTI.
25:11The cases of the defendants
25:13are already in the courts.
25:15But the investigation
25:17is done by the Investigative
25:19Agencies,
25:21FIA,
25:23IAB, JIT.
25:25The investigation is not done
25:27by the Judicial Commission.
25:29There is a Court of Inquiry.
25:31Let me give you an example.
25:33You have the knowledge,
25:35but you can comment on it.
25:37If there is an accusation
25:39on the IG of Islamabad
25:41that he has done this crime,
25:43he will be called
25:45for a cross-examination.
25:47He will be called
25:49for a cross-examination.
25:51He will give evidence
25:53that he did not do it.
25:55This is how a Court of Inquiry
25:57or Investigation is done.
25:59The investigation is already
26:01going on in the courts.
26:03They are being accused.
26:05They are being accused
26:07of committing a crime.
26:09They are being accused
26:11of committing a crime.
26:13They are being accused
26:15of committing a crime.
26:17They are being accused
26:19of committing a crime.
26:21This is unnecessary.
26:23There is no need
26:25for an inquiry in the Parliament.
26:27The case should be handled
26:29as it is in the courts.
26:31If I do an inquiry,
26:33will I be called for a cross-examination?
26:35No.
26:37Common sense says
26:39that a daughter of a Parliament
26:41cannot be an independent.
26:43Let me tell you the reason.
26:45Pakistan Muslim League
26:47has come out with a manifesto.
26:49People's Party has its own opinion.
26:51Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf
26:53has its own opinion.
26:55The opposition says
26:57that these people have oppressed us.
26:59They are accusing the government.
27:01If the same party
27:03sits in the same committee,
27:05who will do the investigation?
27:07It does not make any sense.
27:09The House Committee has no purpose.
27:11Commission, an independent,
27:13does not make any sense.
27:19What do you say?
27:21Commission exists.
27:23The judge is not dependent on anyone.
27:25That is why
27:27the judicial committee
27:29is always pressured.
27:31Government inquiries,
27:33in-house inquiries,
27:35parliamentary committees,
27:37etc.
27:39do not satisfy anyone.
27:41That is why
27:43you have to go to the commission.
27:45Do you think
27:47this commission will be formed?
27:51No, I don't think so.
27:53They are inviting
27:55more people.
27:57You will see
27:59many people
28:01who are not even in their imagination.
28:03The next strategy
28:05of these people
28:07is that
28:09the new president
28:11of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaaf
28:13is saying that
28:15he is fed up with homoeopathic treatment.
28:17He wants to treat the current government
28:19in an English way.
28:21What is he saying?
28:23After 8 months,
28:25when we restructure the organization,
28:27the hardliners will come forward.
28:29The people in the middle
28:31will be the homoeopathic leaders.
28:33Homoeopathic leaders?
28:35Whether they are
28:37centralists,
28:39or subais.
28:41Hassan Ayub,
28:43Aliya Hamza has come to Lahore.
28:45There are reports
28:47on the lower level
28:49that the loyalists
28:51are coming forward.
28:53Do you think
28:55the current government
28:57should be worried about this?
28:59Mr. Rana is saying that
29:01we will treat you again
29:03if we can listen to him.
29:05If his message is clear,
29:07then when they will be on the streets,
29:09then God willing,
29:11when they will take
29:13the law in their hands,
29:15then the law
29:17will take its own path.
29:19They should not worry about this.
29:21Before this, whenever
29:23they have done this,
29:25they know
29:27how powerful
29:29they are.
29:31If they want to solve
29:33the problem on the streets,
29:35then let them do it.
29:37Mr. Rana,
29:39you have heard
29:41what Mr. Rana is saying.
29:43Do you think
29:45the government
29:47will be afraid of this
29:49or will it benefit the PTI?
29:51This is not the reason
29:53why they want to protest again.
29:55This is the actual news.
29:57But the real thing is that
29:59when they met
30:01Mr. Rana, he was very angry.
30:03He said that
30:05he was punished,
30:07his wife was punished,
30:09the government is in the province,
30:11why was there no public response?
30:13When in the entire country,
30:15including nationwide,
30:17in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,
30:19no one gave a public response,
30:21people did not go out on the streets,
30:23there was no protest,
30:25there was no tyranny,
30:27so there is a lot of disappointment.
30:29They are bringing in structural changes
30:31so that if tomorrow
30:33the people sitting in office
30:35are not working,
30:37then they should be replaced
30:39with people who can work
30:41after structural changes.
30:43Mr. Ghulam Sain,
30:45Mr. Junaid Akbar,
30:47you have heard
30:49what Mr. Junaid Akbar has to say
30:51about the law.
30:53The option is that
30:55we protest district-wise.
30:57The biggest option
30:59that we are talking about
31:01and I will support it
31:03with the permission of the leadership,
31:05is that all our roads,
31:07whether it is
31:09Gilgit-Baltistan,
31:11whether it is
31:13from the south,
31:15whether it is
31:17GT road,
31:19whether it is
31:21motorway,
31:23whether it is
31:25Punjab,
31:27we will block all the roads
31:29from there.
31:33Mr. Ghulam Sain,
31:35you have done demonstrations
31:37before,
31:39you went to Islamabad,
31:41D-Chowk,
31:43and then we saw that
31:45they did not get the desired results.
31:47Do you think this new strategy
31:49will benefit PTI?
31:51I think that
31:53whatever PTI has done,
31:55their popularity, their strength,
31:57their strength and their acceptance
31:59in the public is increasing.
32:01And those who keep
32:03hitting against them,
32:05because they are sitting
32:07in power,
32:09they keep giving such statements.
32:11There is no competition
32:13of popularity and political power
32:15and it cannot be.
32:17And the public cannot be defeated.
32:19Sooner or later, you are going to see it
32:21on your screens.
32:23What is following?
32:51Stay with us.
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36:09Mr. Chaudhary Gulamshahan,
36:10Have you heard about the High Court's decision on the 16th and 13th of January?
36:15In the whole country, in Pakistan, obviously the whole country is under it,
36:20when a decision was made through the Parliament,
36:23that mutual consent regarding the Chief Justice,
36:26so if it is transferred in the future, then there is no problem.
36:30So, Mr. Chaudhary Gulamshahan, what is the argument in this?
36:34No, so what was the problem before that you are now removing it?
36:38You are creating a problem.
36:40It should be that at the lower level,
36:43where the judiciary is functional up to the headquarters,
36:50and no one has to come to Islamabad, Lahore or Karachi.
36:54But what is this that we will take judges from Lahore to Islamabad?
36:59So what is the fault of the competent judges of Islamabad?
37:02I still don't understand.
37:07Like I said about PIKA,
37:09I don't understand what they want to achieve.
37:12Neither were the results of the 16th amendment,
37:17nor the things they are doing now.
37:19They have gone astray.
37:21That is, they have become so superstitious about themselves,
37:25that they are sitting till the end of the world and no one is going to ask.
37:28So they are sadly mistaken.
37:30There is a counter argument on this.
37:33We have to move towards the next story.
37:37The counter argument is that there is provincial autonomy.
37:40All the branches of the Supreme Court work in the country.
37:44The provincial high courts should be within the province.
37:48But anyway, there is a discussion on this.
37:50Today, the Qaema committee was held.
37:53In front of the Qaema committee meeting,
37:55General No. 1 was there.
37:57You remember, Senator Faisal Wada has made a whistleblower
38:00that more than 1000 cars are being bought.
38:02More than Qaema.
38:04And they are buying more cars than necessary.
38:08This is his claim.
38:09He spoke in our program.
38:11A meeting was held.
38:12During the meeting, Faisal Wada also said
38:14that I am getting threats to kill me.
38:17And if something like this happens to me,
38:19then I will definitely answer it.
38:24Then they will not be able to tolerate it.
38:26I have done some research.
38:29It is clear that from 4 to 6 places,
38:34it was cleared in front of the cabinet.
38:37The cabinet cleared it.
38:39It is clear that it is a matter of 6 to 7 billion.
38:41After that, when the Prime Minister gave the clearance,
38:44then what will happen?
38:45Yes, please talk.
38:46We talked about this last time as well.
38:48Okay, let's talk to Mr. Nizami first.
38:50Mr. Nizami, thank you very much.
38:52What happened in the committee today?
38:58The last agenda was the issue of 1010 cars of the FBI.
39:01On which Faisal Wada said
39:03that he is being threatened in this matter.
39:05And he also took the name of Afzal Khan.
39:07Along with that, in this bidding,
39:10or in this presentation,
39:12the one who offered a car for 2.5 lakhs,
39:14that multinational company is being harassed.
39:17He has also been threatened.
39:19He has also been threatened.
39:21He has been threatened.
39:23He has been threatened.
39:25He has been threatened.
39:27He has been threatened.
39:29He has been threatened.
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