Off The Record | Kashif Abbasi | Rauf Hassan | Talks Between PMLN & PMLN | ARY News | 30th Jan 2025
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00:00As-salamu alaykum viewers, a lot is happening in Islamabad.
00:25Since the time when the Muslim League was formed, there has been a series of campaigns to win over the institutions.
00:33On 8th February, the way the elections were held and the way the results were changed,
00:39the Parliament was won on that very day.
00:41After that, a process started to see which institutions were in the way.
00:46The Supreme Court was won by the 26th Ayni Tarmim.
00:51Now, the Supreme Court has an Ayni bench.
00:54And most of the time, you will get the opinion that the government gets good reports from there.
01:02The members and chairmen of the Election Commission will make a law that if the next members and chairmen of the Election Commission are not appointed,
01:12then they will continue.
01:13And it seems that these people will move forward in this institution as well.
01:18A lot of other things were done.
01:21The law was made for the protection of freedom of expression.
01:25You saw that in the last few days, the law was being made thinking about how the system will be controlled.
01:33One thing was left, the media.
01:36Now, the media has also been tried to enslave by making memes in the PIKA law.
01:42Yesterday, the Pakistan Federal Union of Journalists announced Yawm-e-Siyah, which is our union, our body.
01:49Tomorrow, and Saafi will protest on this.
01:52But how beautifully our politicians talk about such good principles in the opposition.
01:58And whoever comes to power, God knows what happens to them.
02:00It seems that they have changed their appearance.
02:03These are not the people who tell us good things.
02:07When Mr. Nawaz Sharif used to be in the opposition, what did he think about the freedom of expression?
02:12Listen to this.
02:38Because they have stopped coming to my television.
02:41Who is responsible for the silence of this media?
02:44Freedom of expression is your right, which no one can take away from you.
02:48Freedom of expression is being trampled on here.
02:51And how worried was Mr. Nawaz Sharif that the freedom of expression is being trampled on.
02:57The media is being strangled.
03:00And now your own union has brought a PIKA law.
03:06Journalists will now be punished.
03:08They will be held accountable in the name of investigation.
03:10They will be remanded.
03:12A position of Muslim League Noon has been very clear on PIKA.
03:17Let's listen to that too.
03:17Legislators in Bheeg, taking seats of MNAs, MPAs.
03:21What kind of legislation will you expect from them?
03:23Those who come to power through Bakhshish, they do not legislate for the benefit of the public.
03:28They legislate for the benefit and protection of their supporters.
03:31There is a violation of the media.
03:33This black law should be withdrawn.
03:35Whenever a selector comes to control the media, he brings a black law.
03:42The Pakistan People's Party does not even follow the law of PIKA.
03:46Not one PIKA, you bring 100 PIKA.
03:48Everyone will throw PIKA out.
03:50You have made the PIKA ordinance.
03:52Until yesterday, you used to say that this is a black law.
03:55Will the government decide on fake news on time?
03:57What is fake news?
03:59How does the black law become white?
04:02How soon does it happen?
04:04Who does it?
04:05I think we have seen this in the politics of the past few years.
04:12How the law that used to be called black, against which there was participation in the rallies of journalists,
04:18and it was said that we are standing with you.
04:20Today, all these people, the Muslim League Noon and the People's Party,
04:24are involved in weaponizing that law against journalists.
04:29Just so that YouTube, social media and the journalists who are speaking,
04:34their tongues are shut somehow.
04:36And who is doing it? This parliament.
04:38Mr. Nawaz Sharif, what would you have said to such a parliament a while ago?
04:42The parliament that we have become members of, how self-sufficient is that parliament?
04:46They give directions that today this will be the agenda,
04:48and today voting will be done on this bill,
04:50and the committee should approve this bill.
04:51Our assembly is also compromised, forgive me.
04:54The assembly is compromised, not self-sufficient, there are rumble stamps.
04:58After listening to these words, a new assembly came.
05:02The people who put slogans in it also changed.
05:04The beneficiaries also changed.
05:06The situation remained the same.
05:07Ms. Mariam Nawaz, I told you a while ago that when she came to this forum of journalists,
05:14when the law was being made in the era of PTI,
05:17what did she say at that time about the PTI government,
05:22about that assembly that was making this law?
05:37You are right, we know this.
05:59Finally, I am looking for a Shabaz Sharif.
06:02Some time ago, we had a very famous Shabaz Sharif.
06:07He used to be very revolutionary.
06:09He used to sing very good songs of revolution.
06:11Where did that Shabaz Sharif go?
06:13After all, where did he disappear after becoming the Prime Minister?
06:15What kind of Shabaz Sharif is this
06:17that we see in front of us
06:19every day on TV screens?
06:21I would like to show you a glimpse of the old Shabaz Sharif.
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10:45They say it should be on 9th or 26th November.
10:47They say it should be on 2014 or 2018.
10:49You say it should be on 2024.
10:51Put what we are saying and what they are saying.
10:53Why aren't they doing it?
10:55Compulsions.
10:57Compulsions of power.
10:59All those words that you have made
11:01Maryam Nawaz or Nawaz Sheikh
11:03hear,
11:05make them hear.
11:07Tell them what your compulsions are.
11:09That they are doing everything
11:11that you had opposed for years.
11:13So,
11:15there are many compulsions.
11:17What do you think is the biggest compulsion?
11:19The compulsion is that
11:21you are their opponent.
11:23You have to keep your opponent in jail.
11:25This is the biggest compulsion.
11:27This is their mechanism.
11:29But what is their real compulsion?
11:31We say that we have a political party, PTI,
11:33and with them,
11:35with PMLN or People's Party,
11:37our confrontation is with them.
11:39This is not a question of political parties
11:41or political parties.
11:43This is a question of political thoughts.
11:45We have one political thought
11:47and they have their own political thought.
11:49Our political thought is that
11:51we will not deal.
11:53Their political thought is that we will deal.
11:55Sir, you will deal.
11:57No.
11:59That's why you want to talk to the establishment.
12:01But this will be a deal.
12:03You say, take me out,
12:05end my case, let me do this, let me do that.
12:07And if you have a negotiated settlement,
12:09then it's a deal.
12:11Why are you negotiating if you don't want a deal?
12:13We have repeatedly said that
12:15if we wanted to deal,
12:17Mr. Khan would have come out of jail in the first 10 days.
12:19He wouldn't have liked the terms of the deal.
12:21He is not prepared to strike a deal.
12:23He is not prepared to strike a deal.
12:25Secondly,
12:27have you asked
12:29what they want?
12:31What did you ask?
12:33Let me give you my two cents.
12:35The problem is that
12:37the issue is not moving forward
12:39because Imran Khan
12:41is not able to deal with Imran Khan.
12:43There is a phenomenon
12:45that your popularity,
12:47Imran Khan's popularity and
12:49elections proved it.
12:51They want Imran Khan to go away somehow.
12:53Become unpopular.
12:55If Imran Khan becomes unpopular today,
12:57he will come out tomorrow.
12:59He can't come out now.
13:01That's the dilemma of the government.
13:03The problem I am talking about
13:05is that they know that
13:07if Imran Khan comes out and
13:09wins the elections,
13:11their style of politics
13:13will end.
13:15They won't have a political future.
13:17This is their biggest problem.
13:19They are not fit
13:21in the level of awareness.
13:23People won't accept them.
13:25They will never accept them.
13:27Imran Khan is there.
13:29A new political system
13:31is being introduced through him.
13:33Where was the political system
13:35that was supposed to be introduced
13:37in the first 3-4 years?
13:39There are demands for time.
13:41There is a demand for every time.
13:43It's all about compromise.
13:45He always wanted...
13:47Whenever we talk to him,
13:49I think that in the history of Pakistan,
13:51if a leader has given the most TV interviews,
13:53it must have been given by Imran Khan.
13:55Even if he gathers all the other leaders,
13:57he must have given 10 times more interviews
13:59than Imran Khan.
14:01Let's be honest.
14:03Every time we used to ask him
14:05what his agenda is,
14:07what he wants to do.
14:09It was always a reform.
14:11The judicial system will be reformed.
14:13The police department will be reformed.
14:15All kinds of systems will be reformed in this country.
14:17What happened?
14:19We couldn't do what we wanted to do.
14:21We wanted to do it.
14:23You are right.
14:25We couldn't do it.
14:27That's why Imran Khan isn't compromising.
14:29As a politician,
14:31he genuinely has a commitment
14:33to radical reform.
14:35And he wants to do it.
14:37That's why...
14:39And his problem is that
14:41this thought has become the thought of the people.
14:43He is also worried
14:45about what has happened.
14:47It's not a problem for Imran Khan to come out.
14:49He is ready to leave Imran Khan even today.
14:51Imran Khan can come out.
14:53Absolutely, Imran Khan can come out.
14:55If...
14:57If he wants to make a deal.
14:59He isn't making a deal.
15:01Did you say this?
15:03If Imran Khan wants to come out today,
15:05he can come out.
15:07You are saying that he can come out easily.
15:09Absolutely.
15:11How can he come out?
15:13He can make a deal.
15:15As it has been happening in this country.
15:17Nawaz Sharif made a deal.
15:19I often listen to people on the other side of the TV
15:21who send messages from there.
15:23They say that there is no deal offer.
15:25He can step out.
15:27Is there such a deal offer?
15:29Absolutely, he can come out.
15:31Sir, can he come out through a deal?
15:33The deal is there.
15:35The deal is on the table.
15:37It has been offered.
15:39What do you say? What do you demand?
15:41I can't say. I can't discuss that.
15:43I am sorry.
15:45This is your guess.
15:47I will neither say yes nor no.
15:49The deal is there.
15:51And in that deal,
15:53if he listens to Mr. Khan,
15:55is it from the government
15:57or from the establishment?
15:59The government has nothing.
16:01They couldn't hold a meeting
16:03with Mr. Khan
16:05for 7 days.
16:07Every day it was tomorrow.
16:09They couldn't hold a meeting for 7 days.
16:11In the end, they said hands up.
16:13Sir, we can't do this.
16:15What do you expect from that government?
16:17This is their condition.
16:19It's a fact.
16:21It's a fact.
16:23So, when you say that there is a deal on the table,
16:25that the deal is on the table,
16:27and in that,
16:29you will have to concede more.
16:31You will only get freedom.
16:33There is no space for politics.
16:35Is that fair?
16:37No, I can't go into specifics,
16:39but there is a space for politics.
16:41If you do politics,
16:43you will do politics to bring down the government.
16:45What else do you have to do?
16:47Look, that is a hypothesis.
16:49This hypothesis will be relevant
16:51when Mr. Khan concedes.
16:53He is not in a good mood.
16:55He has never said
16:57that he will make a deal.
16:59He has always said that he will
17:01come out through the judicial system.
17:03I have heard that you convince people.
17:05Have you seen a leader in Pakistan
17:07in the past 76 years?
17:09I am talking about a political leader.
17:11I am not talking about Mr. Faiz.
17:13I am not talking about our thought leaders
17:15who spent 1.5 years in jail.
17:17There is no one like that.
17:19Mr. Mian has spent 1.5 years in jail.
17:21No, Mr. Mian has not.
17:23You are talking about Zardari.
17:25He used to live on the 3rd floor
17:27of Ziauddin Hospital.
17:29He was not in jail.
17:31Where else can I go?
17:33You have more information than me.
17:35I don't want to go there.
17:37Please note this.
17:39As long as the leadership
17:41of the current establishment is there,
17:43no back channel or back door will open.
17:45There will be negotiations from the front door
17:47and not from the back door.
17:49He has always said that.
17:51It is his job to say this.
17:53He has always said this.
17:55He has always said this.
17:57He has always said this.
17:59But they seem to believe it.
18:01But they seem to believe it.
18:03I don't think so.
18:05I have heard that
18:07when there was a lot of talk
18:09about the meeting in Peshawar,
18:11you saw his reaction.
18:13There was a press conference
18:15in the evening.
18:17A lot of people thought
18:19that this was a reaction to that meeting.
18:21But I heard that there was a meeting
18:23after that and the Prime Minister
18:25was briefed.
18:27We didn't talk about politics.
18:29And you say that the meeting
18:31was political.
18:33Whatever happened,
18:35happened.
18:37It was a detailed meeting.
18:39Everything was discussed.
18:41He said that there was
18:43another meeting.
18:45The chief was not there.
18:47It was the people of intelligence.
18:49Is he right?
18:51Look, I want to tell you one thing.
18:53This country is not good right now.
18:55It has a lot of problems
18:57and they are increasing.
18:59This is a fact.
19:01You will believe it.
19:03I believe it.
19:05Our party believes it.
19:07Everyone believes it.
19:09The country is escalating.
19:11Administratively crumbling.
19:13Agriculture is clashing.
19:15Everything is happening.
19:17The statement of the
19:19EU's special representative
19:21in Pakistan,
19:23I could never have expected
19:25such a strong statement.
19:27He said that GSP should not
19:29be taken for granted.
19:31He went on to say so much else.
19:33Don has given a detailed report.
19:35Read it.
19:37He also talked about GSP Plus.
19:39GSP Plus was like,
19:41don't take GSP Plus for granted.
19:43The message between the lines
19:45is that you are not getting this.
19:47This is a big threat.
19:49I think more of a threat is
19:51if you don't change your path.
19:53I was coming to that.
19:55The message from the world
19:57is that this is not tolerable.
19:59It will not accommodate.
20:01Sir, which country are you talking about?
20:03America is coming.
20:05He is telling a good story.
20:07There are hide guns
20:09and there are hide guns.
20:11He is one of the hide guns.
20:13You are saying that
20:15someone paid him to come here.
20:17What is a hide gun?
20:19I have told you.
20:21You can give it to him.
20:23He is a side gun.
20:27He said about Ambassador Grenell
20:29that all these are AI generated
20:31and deep fake statements.
20:33You can get a forensic done
20:35of Richard Grenell.
20:37You will find out.
20:39If you show me his picture,
20:41I want to see how he looks.
20:43The current situation,
20:45I see no evidence
20:47that our administration
20:49in America has anything
20:51but respect for leadership here.
20:53Mr. Sajid used to come
20:55from the Republican Party.
20:57He was sitting with you
20:59on every channel.
21:01Some facts have come out
21:03that he has nothing to do
21:05with the Republican Party.
21:07So, you paid him to come here.
21:09Hide gun.
21:11That's what it means.
21:13That's right.
21:15He is doing media interactions
21:17and TV programs.
21:19Let him do it.
21:21They will be happy.
21:25He is supposed to be close
21:27to Trump's son.
21:29Sir,
21:31I don't believe in media reports
21:33until I see it for myself.
21:35My information doesn't say that.
21:37It has been done.
21:39What does it mean?
21:41The decisions taken by the
21:43American administration
21:45are not because of an individual.
21:47They have to take their own stakes.
21:49I am sure there is a lot of
21:51opportunity as well in Pakistan
21:53to make money.
21:55He may be a businessman.
21:57If he is close to
21:59the Trump family,
22:01the reports will go back
22:03to him.
22:05I am sure
22:07he is aware of it.
22:09It will go back.
22:11He will come in front of you
22:13and me.
22:15He has disappeared
22:17from the media screen.
22:19Why did he disappear?
22:21I don't know.
22:23I don't know.
22:25Why did he disappear?
22:27He used to be on some channel
22:29every day.
22:33You are quoting internationally.
22:35I was talking about internationally.
22:37Irfan Siddiqui
22:39said in the second session
22:41that you took the names of
22:43Imran Khan, Shah Mehmood Qureshi,
22:45Dr. Yasmeen Nasha and asked
22:47them to release him.
22:49It is a long list.
22:51Why did you say that?
22:53We have given them the writing.
22:55They were expecting
22:57that we will talk about Imran Khan's release.
22:59We did not.
23:01We have only said
23:03that the
23:05illegal hurdles
23:07that they have put
23:09in the way of
23:11justice delivery,
23:13like for example,
23:15they are being bailed
23:17and they should get more jail facilities
23:19but they don't.
23:21They want to establish
23:23the rule of law.
23:25They want to release him.
23:27You can read our letter.
23:29The letter was in the third meeting.
23:31You can read the letter.
23:33We have written
23:35our contention in the letter.
23:37We have put all our demands in the letter.
23:39So you are denying this claim?
23:41Absolutely.
23:43I am sure they will
23:45share the minutes.
23:47Who gives the minutes?
23:49They don't have signatures.
23:51They draft it.
23:53I am sure they have signatures.
23:55You said that you will make the minutes.
23:57I asked you about Mansoor Ali Khan.
23:59I am not aware.
24:01Did you meet him?
24:03I am not aware.
24:05I am not aware.
24:07I don't know.
24:09I would have talked to him.
24:11Take a break.
24:13You are saying that
24:15the deal is on the table.
24:17It is a serious offer.
24:19Take a break.
24:27Welcome back.
24:29What is your
24:31homeopathic leadership?
24:35Homeopathic leadership
24:37is the leadership
24:39that is reluctant
24:41to come to the front line.
24:43Who are they?
24:45Your president
24:47believes that
24:49there is no place
24:51for homeopathic leadership
24:53in our party.
24:55It is his general statement.
24:57If you want to know who they are,
24:59you should ask him.
25:01You didn't call and ask
25:03who is homeopathic.
25:05I don't have a function.
25:07That is why I don't do such queries.
25:09Mr. Gaur,
25:11do you think he is homeopathic?
25:13I can't say that.
25:15There is no reason
25:17why I should say that.
25:19Were you surprised
25:21that Ali Ameen was removed?
25:23Ali Ameen himself
25:25said that I should be removed.
25:27No.
25:29Imran Khan was the chairman
25:31and the prime minister.
25:33It is a routine thing.
25:35He didn't say that.
25:37I took the news.
25:39He was removed.
25:41Were you surprised?
25:43Yes.
25:45I just want to know your opinion.
25:47I have always taken a stance
25:49that the government
25:51and party positions
25:53should be separated.
25:55Our constitution says the same.
25:57But Imran Khan doesn't agree.
25:59He agrees.
26:01Whenever I spoke to him
26:03in the past,
26:05he agreed with the principle.
26:07But there were some difficulties.
26:09I understand your principle.
26:11It is a good principle.
26:13The political party has a good deal.
26:15It is not in the hands of the government.
26:17It should not be.
26:21In this case,
26:23is it true that Bushra Bibi
26:25and Imran Khan
26:27are partially convinced
26:29that Ali Ameen
26:31will punish Bushra Bibi?
26:33Kashif, it has been 22 weeks
26:35since I met Mr. Khan.
26:37I can't comment on this
26:39because I will not speculate
26:41until I speak to Mr. Khan.
26:47My understanding is
26:49that there is no such situation.
26:53Were you surprised
26:55that suddenly corruption
26:57has become an issue
26:59for Imran Khan?
27:01Shakil Khan's audio came.
27:03There were meetings before that.
27:05He went to meet Imran Khan in jail.
27:07He was asked to give a press conference.
27:09He gave a press conference.
27:11His audio leaked.
27:13A lot happened at that time.
27:15Suddenly, it stopped.
27:17Now Imran Khan is asking
27:19who the thieves are.
27:21Are there any more changes?
27:23Mr. Khan, you must know
27:25that I have always told him
27:27that he has very low tolerance
27:29for corruption.
27:31If there is corruption,
27:33I will tell you that
27:35when he asked someone
27:37about Punjab,
27:39when Mr. Buzdar
27:41and Mr. Alim Khan
27:43were being asked
27:45to make Mr. Alim Khan,
27:47he accepted that
27:49Usman Buzdar,
27:51but on a small scale.
27:53He knew about a lot of people.
27:55I can tell you with confidence
27:57that he did not do anything.
27:59In my presence,
28:01Mr. Khan has never said
28:03that he is showing tolerance
28:05for corruption.
28:07Frankly, I will be very honest about it.
28:09No, I did not hear.
28:11He asked Farah Gogi to make a report
28:13and send it.
28:15It was sent from there.
28:17Nothing happened.
28:19Beyond certain things.
28:21I am saying this because
28:23I know about all these things.
28:25Tell me this.
28:27There are opinions in the party.
28:29Again, one has to be very
28:31straight and honest about it.
28:33There are opinions.
28:35There was an opinion,
28:37but I think that
28:39as time passed,
28:41that opinion became weak.
28:43It was anti-collaboration.
28:45Now, I think the party wants
28:47to create a larger
28:49collaboration.
28:51And that is why
28:53they have transformed
28:55the political parties.
28:57They have done this for the
28:59purpose of talking to all
29:01the political stakeholders
29:03and generating a platform
29:05where there are as many
29:07political parties as possible.
29:09We are celebrating
29:11Yom Hissiyah on 8th.
29:13The political parties
29:15are not on your agenda.
29:17They are on their own agenda.
29:19Whatever that agenda.
29:21Now, it is possible that
29:23they will have to deal with you.
29:25They have accepted that
29:27this is the assembly.
29:29They are not on your agenda.
29:31They voted for Shabbir Smith Armin.
29:33They did everything.
29:35There was a lot of resentment
29:37in the party.
29:39At the end of the day,
29:41when they conceded everything,
29:43many people in the party
29:45who were supporting
29:47a larger collaboration
29:49were disappointed.
29:51As a political party,
29:53we have a right.
29:55If we want to hold an assembly
29:57in Lahore on 8th February,
29:59then we should allow it.
30:01It will be a peaceful affair.
30:03I think we should normalize
30:05the matters a little.
30:07It is good for the country.
30:09It is good for the future of the country.
30:11You have also been told
30:13to hold assemblies
30:15and not to hold demonstrations.
30:17Let them hold assemblies.
30:19Let them hold demonstrations.
30:21Let them hold demonstrations.
30:23This is the responsibility
30:25of the party.
30:27If they want to hold
30:29a political event,
30:31they will guarantee
30:33that it will be peaceful.
30:35We will give that guarantee.
30:37Did you pressurize
30:39the party MNAs?
30:41I did.
30:43I did it 4-5 days ago.
30:45It has been 4 days
30:47and it has not been presented
30:49in any court.
30:51Thank you very much.
30:53Afzal Butt is with us.
30:55He is the President of Pakistan
30:57Federal Union of Journalists.
30:59Assalam-o-Alaikum.
31:01Walaikum-as-salam.
31:03Yesterday, I said two things
31:05in my program.
31:07First, I said,
31:09Mr. Butt was surprised
31:11when President Zardari
31:13signed the amendment.
31:15I said, I am surprised.
31:17Why is Mr. Butt surprised?
31:21Look, Kashyap,
31:23when we applied
31:25to the Joint Action Committee
31:27to give us a chance to hear,
31:29we were told that
31:31Mr. Zardari often
31:33plays a big role
31:35in political conflicts.
31:37We were hopeful
31:39that he would play a role in this matter
31:41because we were not
31:43asking for a share in power.
31:45We were not asking for a share in power.
31:47We just wanted him to call us
31:49and we would inform him.
31:51But Mr. Butt,
31:53his hands and feet are tied.
31:57Mr. Kashyap, if his hands and feet
31:59are tied, then today he told us
32:01that his hands and feet are tied.
32:03Tomorrow, we will not believe
32:05that his hands and feet are tied.
32:07Why should I tell him
32:09that his hands and feet are tied?
32:11Yesterday, the PTI
32:13said that his hands and feet
32:15were tied.
32:17So, he should tell us today.
32:19Today, we are ready to listen
32:21to the PTI.
32:23Mr. Butt, do you remember
32:25there was a protest outside
32:27the Parliament House
32:29against PTI?
32:31Yesterday, Mr. Fawad Chaudhary
32:33said two things to me.
32:35First, he said that
32:37I will not do anything.
32:39So, I scolded Mr. Butt
32:41that you will see.
32:43I scolded him well, right?
32:45You scolded him well.
32:47You did not scold him.
32:49You should have told him.
32:51In fact, I often say
32:53that you get the credit
32:55for starting the movement
32:57against Mishra.
32:59We started it a week later.
33:01I clearly remember
33:03the gesture of the democracy.
33:05You said, Mr. Butt,
33:07that we started the movement
33:09the next day.
33:11We did not protest.
33:13We started the press freedom
33:15movement.
33:17Keeping the same old
33:19pattern in mind,
33:21when we started the
33:23fourth social camp
33:25against Mishra,
33:27we are now moving
33:29in the same direction.
33:31There will be mobilisation.
33:33Today, the Supreme Court
33:35is trying to strengthen
33:37the movement
33:39by contacting us.
33:41I am sure that apart from
33:43the Iraqi Assembly and Senate
33:45sitting in the Parliament,
33:47all the political party workers
33:49will also be with us.
33:51This is their case.
33:53Their right to know
33:55has been snatched away.
33:57The people of Pakistan
33:59should not know
34:01what the courts
34:03do, what the Parliament
34:05does, what the government
34:07does, what the establishment
34:09does, what the Bureau of Justice
34:11does.
34:13This right has been snatched
34:15away by the common man.
34:17We started the press freedom
34:19movement to take away
34:21the right of the common man.
34:23Tomorrow, there will be
34:25black flags in all the
34:27press clubs in Pakistan.
34:29With your support,
34:31I will appeal to the friends
34:33who believe in public freedom
34:35to go to their cities
34:37and start the Yawm-e-Syah
34:39event.
34:41The national press club
34:43in Islamabad will wave
34:45the black flag at 3.30 pm.
34:47Mr. Kashyap, you should
34:49make a commitment
34:51that you will come
34:53with your friends.
34:55Inshallah.
34:57This is our cause.
35:01We will wait for tomorrow.
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38:17you are saying that the judge from Lahore High Court will be appointed in Islamabad
38:36High Court and he will become the Chief Justice, or he can become, is this going to happen?
38:40No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
38:47no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
38:54no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
39:01no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
39:08no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
39:13no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
39:18no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
39:23no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
39:28no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
39:33no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
39:38no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
39:43no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
39:48no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
39:53no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
39:58no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
40:03no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
40:08no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
40:13no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
40:18no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
40:23no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
40:28no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
40:33no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
40:38no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
40:43no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
40:48no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
40:53no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
40:58no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
41:03no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,