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- Amir Zia (Analyst)
- Muneeb Farooq (Analyst)
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00:00 Assalamu alaikum, dear viewers, you are watching the program with Kashif Abbasi.
00:16 Today, Rauf Hassan Sahib came to Manzir-e-Aam for the press conference.
00:21 He was attacked yesterday.
00:25 He told us how he was being attacked.
00:31 We showed you yesterday's program how he was attacked.
00:38 You can see it on the screen.
00:40 These are two different incidents.
00:42 One day before, this incident happened.
00:46 He was sitting in the car.
00:48 This is the same incident.
00:55 This is the incident from one day before.
00:57 The footage on the right is from yesterday.
01:03 One day before, he was saved.
01:06 Yesterday, he was not saved.
01:08 We saw a few things about yesterday's incident.
01:13 We want you to see the footage.
01:18 We are criticizing the Khayasaras.
01:20 If we can show you, the first thing they wore in this heat was a shawl.
01:27 It was a very thick shawl.
01:29 They wore jeans and joggers.
01:33 It is very strange.
01:35 It is not normal.
01:37 When you walk on the streets, you see them.
01:47 I have never seen anyone wearing jeans, joggers, or trainers.
01:52 It was very strange.
01:54 The Khayasaras who wore the shawl were the ones who attacked him.
02:02 The Judicial Commission has been talked about.
02:05 The Judicial Commission is not happy with the FIR.
02:11 24 hours have passed.
02:14 No progress has been made in this case.
02:16 There is so much CCTV footage.
02:18 The faces of all the people are in front of them.
02:21 We will talk about this in today's program.
02:23 On the other hand, the case of the Senate was being discussed.
02:29 What happened in the Senate today?
02:32 What kind of discussions are there in the Senate?
02:35 The game of insults is being played.
02:37 The game of remarks is being played on the television screens.
02:42 The dignity of the court will be higher than the insults of the court to the people like me.
02:48 You have to go from 140 to 40.
02:52 The Pakistani judiciary does not have the power to say what it wants.
02:59 If you are a selective justice, people will question you.
03:04 When was the Parliament not insulted?
03:07 If this is not done, I will make the Prime Minister sit here.
03:11 What is this way of doing justice?
03:13 If the institutions are in their own circle, we can all do better.
03:18 What Shariq Iman said in the end is absolutely correct.
03:21 Institutions should be in their own circle and talk.
03:24 Work should be done.
03:26 Should operate.
03:28 Today, Amal Wali also gave a speech.
03:30 If someone else's words are spoken, the pain reaches the people.
03:35 Why are we entering into a foreign war today?
03:37 What kind of country is this?
03:39 He also gave examples of the past.
03:43 The problem here is that politicians ...
03:46 Let's talk about the court first.
03:48 There are two elements to it.
03:50 One is the court and a few remarks.
03:53 And one is the reaction of politicians.
03:56 The court should be very careful in its remarks.
03:59 It is absolutely correct that all the people who come here are respected.
04:02 Those who appear in court, their respect should not only be done by the court.
04:08 Because no one likes to be insulted in full faith or in court.
04:15 So a few remarks ...
04:17 Many times it seems that a lot has been said after seeing the remarks.
04:20 The judicial history of Pakistan is also of judicial activism.
04:23 The history of the hospital, the history of the Samosas, the history of the Somoto notices ...
04:29 From Maulvi Tamizuddin to today, there have been many shortcomings in this court.
04:35 You keep hearing about them again and again.
04:38 But it is surprising when politicians taunt the court.
04:42 In these speeches, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto's case was mentioned.
04:45 How he was hanged.
04:47 Sometimes Nawaz Sharif is mentioned, sometimes Imran Khan is mentioned.
04:50 So if you just look at the history of politicians and the speeches they are giving,
04:56 then if these taunts are heard in their own court,
05:01 how the politicians, the parliamentarians, especially the ISAWAN,
05:06 what has been their style in the last 70 years?
05:09 Many politicians started in the military system.
05:14 They were with the army or they were separated.
05:18 But after being separated, if you look at the history of these politicians,
05:22 when they got the opportunity, they made deals in power politics.
05:26 Even today, there is a government that is because of the deal.
05:29 All those slogans, claims of respecting the vote,
05:33 all that was put aside and a decision was made that it has to come to power.
05:40 All these people have a problem with the establishment only when the establishment is against them.
05:46 And when you talk to them, when you are ready to deal with them,
05:50 no one has any objection.
05:52 So these politicians had a little insight into the mistakes of the 70th century.
05:58 The court made wrong decisions.
06:01 But those taunts that are being given for a case at that time,
06:05 which the court has also tried to correct,
06:07 how long will they keep taunting?
06:09 Look at yourself too.
06:11 How did the government of 2018 and 24 become in the last 70 years?
06:16 What kind of deals are there?
06:18 Don't we know who goes to meet whom in the back seats of the car and in the trunks?
06:22 And what do you do to poison each other there?
06:26 So instead of taunting, go towards the system.
06:30 This is something that the court needs to tell with great respect.
06:35 Because sometimes it happens that your remarks are going beyond a limit.
06:41 Or you have become a little excessive.
06:43 Or you are talking harshly.
06:45 Don't insult anyone.
06:47 But if someone says to the court that it is 146th number,
06:51 if you are numbered, then you will be probably number 240 out of 180 countries.
06:55 The way our country's politicians deal,
06:57 or do their politics, do power politics.
07:01 Talal sir himself was victim of this, because he was insulted.
07:06 The court also needs to take a softer view on political statements.
07:11 But how can politicians do this?
07:15 By putting up pictures of the judges.
07:18 What do you talk about in the gatherings?
07:21 Just because you don't like the judges' decisions at that time.
07:24 Go into corrective mode.
07:26 Try to make things right.
07:28 Institutions should work within their limits.
07:30 But God forbid that this is written out of the past.
07:32 Because even your past is not written in a correct way.
07:35 So let's talk about all these things.
07:37 Today Hamad Azhar sir has reached the secretariat.
07:41 When asked, he said that Imran Khan sir,
07:44 who used to say, "Keep quiet."
07:46 Yesterday night he was sent a message,
07:48 "Get out."
07:49 Why?
07:50 This message now to Hamad Azhar,
07:52 "What happened yesterday?"
07:53 Obviously, it was the incident of Rauf Hassan sir.
07:55 And today the opposition is sitting in unity.
07:57 A press conference is also expected in a while.
08:00 What will happen in this press conference?
08:02 What are you going to do?
08:04 If this press conference is held,
08:06 will the opposition or the Tawfuz-e-Ain group,
08:11 will Maulana and others be together?
08:14 Athar Kazmi sir is with us.
08:16 Muneeb Farooq sir is present.
08:17 Amir Zia sir is present.
08:18 Thank you very much to all the guests.
08:20 Athar, I will start with you.
08:21 You may have met today.
08:23 Rauf Hassan sir's incident,
08:26 let's start with that.
08:28 What is his problem with the FIR?
08:30 The government and the police have said,
08:32 that the FIR has been cut.
08:34 To be honest,
08:36 he is saying that he wants to nominate some people.
08:39 That is why he is unhappy with the FIR.
08:42 Basically, the way things have been handled,
08:45 the overall lack of confidence in the current government,
08:48 he is showing.
08:49 He is saying that an area where there was CCTV,
08:52 he was attacked there.
08:54 A day before that,
08:55 outside a TV station,
08:56 people were waiting for him.
08:59 He is saying that he was pursuing me
09:01 under the proper planning for many days.
09:03 Now I am realizing that this is...
09:05 After watching both the videos,
09:08 I don't think there was any doubt.
09:09 Absolutely.
09:10 It was not that why did he abuse?
09:12 Or any raid,
09:14 we often talk about road rage.
09:16 Someone got angry on the road.
09:17 Or you said something harsh to someone.
09:19 It was so hot.
09:20 He was wearing a chadar,
09:22 lapete, jeans and joggers.
09:24 It seems like it was a planned attack.
09:27 Because it happened a day before and a day after.
09:29 Yes, yes.
09:30 The jeans you showed,
09:31 to be honest,
09:32 in this hot weather,
09:33 jeans, boot,
09:34 and a chadar on top.
09:35 I don't know if he was a guru or not.
09:38 But his style of dressing was different from others.
09:41 And probably he was the one who attacked.
09:43 You are talking about the government with a chadar?
09:45 Yes, I am talking about the government with a chadar.
09:47 But he left so easily.
09:49 Now this G7 area,
09:51 is right next to G6,
09:53 is right next to APARA,
09:55 this whole area is close to the red zone.
09:58 The police presence is so big here.
10:00 Where did they come from and disappear?
10:02 This is a big question,
10:03 on which Rao Fasan was saying,
10:05 that if the police would have presented by now,
10:08 that we have taken out some things from the CCTV footage,
10:10 from the safe city cameras,
10:12 and we will give them money.
10:14 The cameras are not working.
10:16 They can be damaged.
10:17 It is possible.
10:18 We will know when the investigation is over.
10:21 So, these are his precautions.
10:23 But he was certain that,
10:25 there is no doubt that they were following him,
10:28 and he was targeted.
10:30 If you look at it later,
10:32 the circumstantial evidence supports this.
10:34 Muneeb, will there be anything in this case,
10:36 or like the other cases,
10:37 there will be no answer in this case.
10:39 In 24 hours,
10:40 the police could have told that,
10:42 we have spotted something,
10:43 we have taken out some safe city cameras,
10:45 some people have been arrested,
10:47 and the investigation is going on.
10:48 There are a lot of updates in the case of Umar Ishaq,
10:50 which is a high profile case.
10:52 There is nothing yet.
10:54 Thank you very much, Mr. Akash.
10:58 There are only two or three things.
11:00 One is,
11:01 the incident with Rao Fasan,
11:03 we all agree with that.
11:05 But the condition in which he was in,
11:07 was definitely the same as what happened with him yesterday.
11:10 The police,
11:11 as the government is saying,
11:13 or the police themselves are saying,
11:15 and this is the work of the journalist,
11:17 if you verify or see their statement,
11:19 then it seems that,
11:21 whatever they have written on their request,
11:24 and their sign is also present on it,
11:27 or whatever is present,
11:29 the police has filed that FIR.
11:31 Now, the later incident,
11:32 and they are not satisfied with that,
11:34 this is also a normal thing,
11:36 that if they are coming out of that trauma,
11:38 and they are remembering some things,
11:40 then legally it is very simple,
11:42 that this is their statement,
11:44 which the police will add,
11:46 and it will be included in the Zimniyah,
11:48 in the investigations.
11:49 Yes, in the court,
11:50 it's weight is reduced a little,
11:52 because it is stated as 161,
11:54 so the courts evaluate it differently.
11:56 But,
11:57 the investigation is very simple,
11:59 either you are blind,
12:01 or you are not able to see anything.
12:03 You can see,
12:04 now,
12:05 the CCTV cameras of one place can be damaged,
12:07 or the CCTV cameras of Safe City,
12:08 these people must have come from somewhere,
12:10 they must have existed somewhere,
12:12 they must have done some disguise,
12:14 or whatever,
12:15 as you pointed out,
12:17 we all saw this yesterday,
12:19 that wearing jeans and joggers,
12:21 no one was wearing khawaja sara,
12:23 and in this hot afternoon,
12:25 where it is 42 degrees centigrade,
12:27 no one is walking around in a chandri.
12:29 But,
12:30 the more complex the investigation,
12:32 the easier it is for someone.
12:34 Because,
12:35 the police,
12:36 with all due respect,
12:38 no disrespect to any khawaja sara,
12:40 but the police who normally operate,
12:42 they know,
12:44 where and where they are,
12:46 the police can get help from khawaja sara,
12:48 that,
12:49 is this one of your own,
12:51 or can you identify these people or not,
12:53 who was in them,
12:54 who was not,
12:55 this is not a rocket science,
12:57 criminal investigation,
12:58 which the police have to do.
13:00 Yes,
13:01 not trusting the system,
13:03 that is seen in today's situation,
13:05 but,
13:06 it is a very natural thing,
13:08 it is natural also.
13:10 But,
13:11 the sad thing is,
13:13 that,
13:14 what has it all come down to,
13:16 where have we come,
13:18 and what is happening,
13:20 this is not a situation of
13:22 a lot of courage,
13:24 in which we can say,
13:26 as if nothing has happened,
13:27 or nothing is happening.
13:28 Raoul Fazan,
13:29 in his own right,
13:31 he is absolutely right,
13:32 that it could have gone worse,
13:34 if the same blade had hit his neck,
13:36 it could have been a fatal injury,
13:38 it could have been a real murderous attack,
13:41 and that is a rough ride,
13:43 where someone gets hurt,
13:44 what not,
13:45 but,
13:46 I think,
13:47 if in the next 48 hours,
13:49 the police are not able to bring anyone in front,
13:52 then the question will be raised on the capability of the police,
13:54 on the effectiveness of the police,
13:56 on the investigation of the police.
13:58 But,
13:59 there will be a doubt on the intention of the police,
14:00 that maybe,
14:01 yes,
14:02 there will be a doubt.
14:03 Sir,
14:04 will these questions be raised?
14:06 Yes,
14:07 they will be raised in the future.
14:08 If you want to add anything to this,
14:10 then do so,
14:11 otherwise,
14:12 I will come to the speeches that are being held in the Senate today.
14:14 Do you want to add something to this?
14:16 I will just say that,
14:18 we were convinced that,
14:20 Islamabad is the safest city in Pakistan,
14:23 and if such incidents are happening there,
14:26 then the state of Pakistan should think,
14:29 the SIFC should think,
14:31 that the efforts that we are making,
14:33 that we will bring the FDI,
14:35 we will bring the tax collector from abroad,
14:38 who will come?
14:39 All this is happening in your city,
14:41 about which we all,
14:42 in the whole of Pakistan,
14:43 have a reputation that,
14:44 yes, it is very safe,
14:45 it is not like Karachi,
14:46 where the dogs are being bitten,
14:47 and the street criminals are after your life.
14:50 If this is happening in Islamabad,
14:52 then this is a moment of concern for everyone,
14:53 a moment of concern for the government,
14:55 that what message have you given to the world?
14:57 Who has given this message,
14:58 that there,
14:59 and then,
15:00 you say,
15:01 a new law of Pakistani politics,
15:03 yes,
15:04 it is a matter of concern,
15:05 there should be investigations,
15:07 but,
15:08 why did this happen?
15:09 This is the biggest question.
15:10 And,
15:11 if people say,
15:12 that a plan has been made,
15:13 in which there should be no doubt,
15:15 then what message have you given to the world?
15:18 Even though the PTI has received the message,
15:20 what message have you given to the world?
15:22 This is a very big question,
15:23 and a very important question,
15:24 in my opinion.
15:25 I think if people are caught,
15:27 then many questions will be answered.
15:29 Mr. Kashif,
15:30 one thing is,
15:31 our minister of interior,
15:34 his TV channel,
15:36 is right in front of him,
15:37 literally in front of his door,
15:39 his bureau office,
15:40 of the minister of interior.
15:42 So,
15:43 again,
15:44 if there is a place where the minister of interior,
15:46 has his own TV channel,
15:48 his bureau office,
15:49 where I have been myself,
15:50 many times,
15:51 so this is a very worrying situation,
15:53 which Amir is saying,
15:54 he is saying it for a reason.
15:55 You see diplomats walking around on the streets,
15:57 in the markets,
15:58 you know you go to big markets,
16:00 like in Islamabad,
16:01 you see diplomats walking around,
16:03 so,
16:04 such incidents,
16:05 rightly pointed out,
16:07 that have lessened in Islamabad.
16:09 I am not saying that,
16:10 I will also say that,
16:11 the law and order situation in Islamabad,
16:13 which has deteriorated a little in the last few days,
16:16 before that,
16:17 we did not see gunpoint,
16:18 that someone was snatching the phone,
16:19 that too in front of the main,
16:20 super or super market.
16:22 So,
16:23 such incidents have started happening,
16:24 we attribute a lot of the cost to it.
16:25 And the political role of the police in Islamabad,
16:27 people also criticized it a lot,
16:29 you saw that there was an increase in criticism,
16:32 on the other hand,
16:33 there was an increase in crime,
16:35 so these are all the things,
16:36 which the government needs to look at.
16:38 I hope they look at it.
16:39 Amir sahib,
16:40 this series of speeches that started,
16:42 we know that there is a reaction,
16:44 a reaction is coming,
16:46 when some politicians go,
16:48 50 years, 60 years ago,
16:49 on the history of the court,
16:50 they forget their own history.
16:52 I am very worried,
16:53 that means those politicians,
16:55 who 40 years ago,
16:57 came in some other way,
16:59 then became a democracy,
17:00 became a revolutionary,
17:02 and in the last part,
17:03 they delay again,
17:04 which everyone sees that they are delaying.
17:07 How do they expect from the court,
17:09 that why did you make a mistake 40-50 years ago?
17:12 What is going on?
17:14 How long will this work go on?
17:16 When will the clash of institutions end?
17:18 This is a very sad thing,
17:23 that our politicians,
17:25 and our lawmakers,
17:26 who sit in the court and talk,
17:28 if they have an objection,
17:30 on the court,
17:32 they don't even look at their own language.
17:34 The fire that has been lit in our politics,
17:36 which is completely unresolved,
17:38 the big reason for that is,
17:39 the irresponsible statements of people.
17:41 And if we make a list,
17:43 then the politicians are present.
17:45 Till now,
17:47 in the developing countries,
17:49 if the government is unfair to someone,
17:52 or if someone is powerful,
17:53 and is unfair to someone,
17:54 then one point of relief is the court.
17:57 Now the problem with the court is,
17:58 that if it decides for someone,
18:00 then people praise it.
18:01 These same politicians,
18:02 these same political parties,
18:04 used to sing their praises,
18:05 we don't need to give examples,
18:06 the last period of the PTI,
18:08 what was the situation in that?
18:10 Then the court was that,
18:11 the big corruption cases,
18:13 you see,
18:14 ended on the Sharif family,
18:15 and their close friends.
18:17 Everyone was clapping for that,
18:19 that the court was freed.
18:20 Now when the decisions are against,
18:22 or when the decisions are challenged,
18:24 and where in the world,
18:26 does a lawmaker talk against,
18:28 sitting judges,
18:30 like this?
18:32 Either you do it under the law,
18:34 and you have a say in what you say.
18:36 So, the people who are now,
18:38 running around in front of everyone,
18:40 and people are running around,
18:42 that has become a big reason for our political inaction.
18:45 And that can be removed in the same way,
18:47 that you have done it.
18:48 I think, more than the inaction,
18:50 the voices that are being raised,
18:52 more than the inaction,
18:54 the voices are related to the division,
18:56 which is divided on multiple fronts.
19:00 A political division.
19:02 Obviously, all the people who will speak,
19:04 are from the government parties.
19:06 If I may, I will take a break with this.
19:08 One is the people from the government parties.
19:10 The government parties, obviously,
19:12 have an opponent,
19:13 who is giving them a tough time,
19:15 even in the elections.
19:16 Even after the elections,
19:18 the same way, Ansar-ul-Imran Khan.
19:20 So, it is a big compulsion for them,
19:22 to find a security for themselves,
19:24 so that they can feel secure,
19:26 by joining with the people.
19:28 The judiciary,
19:30 they feel that the entire design,
19:32 the judiciary is giving guarantees,
19:34 or the various incidents and situations,
19:36 are taking a tough position on it.
19:38 Earlier, the judiciary was threatened,
19:40 so they might have listened to it.
19:42 Now, they have started writing letters.
19:44 So, the structure,
19:46 they feel that it is going against them.
19:48 And obviously,
19:50 the reason why they have come to the assembly,
19:52 they are defending it.
19:54 So, let me take a break.
19:56 I will ask you as well.
19:58 The way the politicians and the judiciary
20:00 are taking on the judiciary,
20:02 I will say again,
20:04 the issues of the judiciary,
20:06 they should also be looked at.
20:08 The kind of remarks, insults,
20:10 should not be done by the politicians,
20:12 but should be heard by the judiciary.
20:14 We often hear cases,
20:16 where judges are fighting more than the lawyers.
20:18 But what is happening,
20:20 and where will it stop?
20:22 Let's take a break.
20:24 We will be back after the break.
20:26 Welcome back, viewers.
20:28 The series of speeches
20:30 by the judiciary,
20:32 there are two aspects to it.
20:34 One is the court,
20:36 and how the court works.
20:38 We have been seeing for a long time,
20:40 that the court has been
20:42 a part of the politics.
20:44 But at some places,
20:46 you understand why it is happening.
20:48 Is the issue really with the court
20:50 and their mind,
20:52 or is it something else?
20:54 And this time,
20:56 it seems that the issue is something else.
20:58 This was mentioned by Emil Wally
21:00 in his speech.
21:02 But these taunts,
21:04 Muneeb, I was talking about taunts earlier,
21:06 how can the politicians taunt?
21:08 Either you have a very clear history,
21:10 that you made a mistake,
21:12 and it was the first time,
21:14 and you made a mistake
21:16 in 1983, and never again,
21:18 or in 1960, 62, 63,
21:20 or in 99, 2000,
21:22 and never again.
21:24 You make mistakes,
21:26 and then you say,
21:28 "I have learned my lesson."
21:30 And then you go back to the ground.
21:32 Why are the politicians
21:34 making this fight so tough?
21:36 The court can handle this better
21:38 if they point out the flaws,
21:40 and eliminate them.
21:42 And if this happens again and again,
21:44 the flaws of the court will be eliminated.
21:46 Mr. Qaish,
21:48 I will not agree with this
21:50 with utmost respect.
21:52 You just said that
21:54 if you point out the flaws,
21:56 the flaws will be corrected.
21:58 If you point out the flaws,
22:00 the flaws will increase,
22:02 because no one works independently.
22:04 But if you look at it historically,
22:06 and this is a good discussion,
22:08 but if you look at it,
22:10 the court, the politicians of our country,
22:12 and historically,
22:14 if you look at it overall,
22:16 our country's establishment,
22:18 if all three are in front of the mirror,
22:20 all three will be ashamed.
22:22 No one's past is permanent.
22:24 Our country's court has used itself
22:26 as a tool, along with the establishment.
22:28 Whatever it did, our history is full of it.
22:30 From its judicial appointment
22:32 to its decision-making,
22:34 to its release of people,
22:36 it was based on self-serving interests.
22:38 This is true.
22:40 From the case of Maulvi Tamiruddin,
22:42 no one has been so brilliant.
22:44 But still,
22:46 how can we talk about it?
22:48 No one is brilliant.
22:50 No one is brilliant.
22:52 Neither the politicians,
22:54 nor the establishment,
22:56 nor the judiciary.
22:58 Now, what is the issue?
23:00 In the past,
23:02 the case was that there is one government
23:04 and a gang is against it.
23:06 The court did its job,
23:08 the establishment was ordered to do it,
23:10 which was a practice in the past.
23:12 This time, the equation has changed.
23:14 The court's stance has changed.
23:16 The six judges say that
23:18 we are interfering,
23:20 and they have mentioned the personalities,
23:22 their positions in their letters.
23:24 I am not saying that, the judges are.
23:26 Now, the issue is that the immediate response
23:28 was again,
23:30 from the Ministry of Defence,
23:32 through a dossier,
23:34 or through a written reply,
23:36 that this is a big insult
23:38 to the establishment
23:40 and to the sensitive intelligence agencies.
23:42 And we are completely against this,
23:44 we completely object to this.
23:46 And the Ministry of Defence
23:48 would have given a coherent answer.
23:50 So, it would have been understood that
23:52 the Ministry of Defence has sent
23:54 this defense through the Attorney General.
23:56 That Faisal Borda,
23:58 Mustafa Kamal,
24:00 Aun Chaudhary,
24:02 they have started the press conferences.
24:04 Now, Faisal Borda is respectable for us,
24:06 but he is angry
24:08 that Athar Minnala
24:10 has called him a proxy.
24:12 Now, the issue is that
24:14 the way it seems,
24:16 from the looks of it,
24:18 One, the issue is that he has been called a proxy
24:20 by giving his name,
24:22 but the second is that
24:24 he should not be called a proxy.
24:26 He should not be called a proxy at all.
24:28 But, Mr. Ghajesh,
24:30 my request is that
24:32 you can argue as much as you want,
24:34 but the judiciary of our country,
24:36 I don't care what was said in the Senate,
24:38 or whether they are going to end the law of the court,
24:40 these attempts were made in 2012,
24:42 the court had already struck down.
24:44 As long as Article 204
24:46 is present in the constitution of Pakistan,
24:48 the contempt of court will remain.
24:50 Contempt would exist.
24:52 Contempt is such a severe thing
24:54 that the President has immunity in everything,
24:56 but the President of Pakistan
24:58 does not have immunity in contempt.
25:00 I am sharing this as a piece of information.
25:02 Contempt is such a thing.
25:04 If you completely end this,
25:06 this whole concept,
25:08 then you will do it,
25:10 then people will stand in the squares
25:12 and abuse the judges.
25:14 This is also a debate.
25:16 If the environment was like
25:18 European countries,
25:20 then you can criticize the judges
25:22 or criticize the decision,
25:24 then it is understandable.
25:26 Here, they put up pictures
25:28 and abuse the judges.
25:30 The judge should have seen his conduct.
25:32 That is why I started from here
25:34 that the court should also see.
25:36 I heard a few remarks in the past few days,
25:38 if those remarks were not given,
25:40 it would have been better,
25:42 but they should not be given.
25:44 It should not be that
25:46 such a thing should be said in the open court.
25:48 If you look at what happened
25:50 with the court in the past two years,
25:52 then you should stand outside
25:54 and abuse the judges.
25:56 First, we need to fix everything together.
25:58 If anyone wants to add anything,
26:00 they can do it,
26:02 but Hammad Azhar said,
26:04 I will tell you now,
26:06 he said, Imran Khan told me to come out.
26:08 Why did Imran Khan say this?
26:10 One is that, as you said,
26:12 the criticism on the court,
26:14 from Maulvi Tameezuddin to the election,
26:16 there are many cases on which you can criticize.
26:18 But this criticism,
26:20 giving the right to amend the constitution,
26:22 giving justification,
26:24 there are many things.
26:26 And you know why many decisions are given.
26:28 Yes, but the problem is
26:30 that why this criticism is not given
26:32 when such decisions are being made.
26:34 As much as the court makes such voices
26:36 that everyone should work in their own jurisdiction,
26:38 everyone should work according to the constitution,
26:40 why does the criticism start on the court
26:42 suddenly at that time?
26:44 Is there any work done by the court at this time?
26:46 God forbid, did the court do anything
26:48 that is against the constitution
26:50 or the constitution?
26:52 In my opinion, nothing like this happened.
26:54 Suddenly what happened?
26:56 No political decision was taken
26:58 that was said to be against the constitution.
27:00 Just now, the two or three remarks
27:02 that they have to hold a speech,
27:04 it is an order, a speech,
27:06 they are doing it now
27:08 and saying that there should be no court.
27:10 On the other hand, they are making laws
27:12 that have been made for the amendment
27:14 in the PICA laws.
27:16 Now the problem is that, Kashif sir,
27:18 the community in which the common people
27:20 are being humiliated every day,
27:22 whether it is in the flour lines
27:24 or whether it is in the government offices,
27:26 there are such rulers
27:28 who do not have a common mandate,
27:30 they have to make new laws
27:32 for the sake of their own respect.
27:34 Otherwise, if you are a democratic society,
27:36 then your mandate is your voter.
27:38 Should I tell Maria Nawaz?
27:40 Maria Nawaz has said this.
27:42 I get tears in my eyes when I hear that.
27:44 Maria Nawaz has said this.
27:46 I have to do the regulation.
27:48 No, not that one.
27:50 She said that when the one who takes
27:52 two thousand votes will be made
27:54 twenty thousand and brought to the assembly,
27:56 then what do you expect?
27:58 What laws will they make?
28:00 I think they do not have it now.
28:02 But Mr. Ahmad Azhar,
28:04 let him go.
28:06 You talk about legislation.
28:08 When legislators themselves
28:10 have joined hands with someone
28:12 who has two thousand votes
28:14 in the alms of someone
28:16 and have made him twenty thousand.
28:18 Someone who had forty thousand votes
28:20 has cancelled one zero of his
28:22 and made him four thousand.
28:24 When legislators in such alms
28:26 will come with seats of MNAs and MPs,
28:28 what legislation will you expect from them?
28:30 Then they will do the same legislation
28:32 that will hide their sin.
28:34 They will not do any legislation
28:36 that will hide their sin.
28:38 That's it. I don't remember.
28:40 No, no, it's fine.
28:42 A leader is one who can see
28:44 the things of the next three to four years.
28:46 In 2021, he has stated the circumstances
28:48 and events of 2024.
28:50 So, this shows his political vision.
28:52 As far as Mr. Ahmad Azhar is concerned,
28:54 I think...
28:56 What happened that Mr. Imran Khan
28:58 asked you to leave?
29:00 I think he is thinking that
29:02 the government is under a lot of pressure.
29:04 He is thinking that how can
29:06 the Adliya issue go forward?
29:08 What is happening?
29:10 There are some tensions.
29:12 I think that Mr. Khan is also feeling
29:14 that the government is under pressure.
29:16 The decisions that are coming from Adliya
29:18 Mr. Pervez Alai has got bail.
29:20 He has not been arrested again
29:22 under the MPO.
29:24 I think if his leadership does not come out
29:26 at this time, then it will be too late.
29:28 And this is the reason why he said...
29:30 And secondly, Mr. Khan has a little complaint
29:32 that everything is happening everywhere.
29:34 Punjab is sitting completely silent.
29:36 So, I think he has asked you to leave.
29:38 And looking at yesterday's incident,
29:40 he must have said that...
29:42 There is an analysis of the situation.
29:44 As you said, this is what he must be seeing
29:46 right now.
29:48 I was listening.
29:50 The analysis will be that
29:52 there is frustration and a little lack of ideas.
29:54 Because of which all this is happening.
29:56 And if there is frustration,
29:58 then put more pressure.
30:00 I think that is why
30:02 he is trying to put more pressure.
30:04 Now, tell me at the end.
30:06 I will start with Atta Raab.
30:08 Tell me that
30:10 the opposition is gathering.
30:12 A press conference is expected in a while.
30:14 There was news in the evening that it will be at 8.
30:16 It has not happened yet.
30:18 What are they going to do?
30:20 I think they are saying that
30:22 we will agree on the minimum agenda
30:24 for the preservation of the constitution.
30:26 It is possible that some kind of movement will be run.
30:28 And now,
30:30 the issue of removing Hamad Azhar,
30:32 the organizational issue,
30:34 is seen in Punjab.
30:36 So this can also be a link to it.
30:38 If we want to run a movement,
30:40 then all of you should come out.
30:42 But they are talking about the constitution.
30:44 Or they are talking about the preservation of the constitution.
30:46 Or they will try to make it a constitutional issue.
30:48 They will have to clear some things.
30:50 That you are preserving the constitution.
30:52 Is it there that you are preserving?
30:54 Or do you want to make it a constitutional issue?
30:56 If they want to make it a constitutional issue,
30:58 then their agenda will also be clear.
31:00 We will know after the press conference.
31:02 Will Maulana come?
31:04 If he did not want to come,
31:06 then he would not have come to the press conference.
31:08 I think that Maulana knows that
31:10 he has a vote bank.
31:12 And if he does public policy,
31:14 and rides on the statement of acceptance,
31:16 then I think he will have political benefits.
31:18 Muneeb, why are you laughing?
31:24 The person should keep laughing.
31:26 Let me not get into it.
31:28 I am so hot in these clothes.
31:30 The person should keep laughing.
31:32 He is saying that it is so hot.
31:34 No, no.
31:36 My laughter is because of my brothers.
31:40 I have a lot of love for them.
31:42 My laughter is because of their words.
31:44 They said that Bahaliye
31:46 will run the movement for the constitution.
31:48 No, I will add a little bit to this.
31:50 Bahaliye will run the movement for the constitution.
31:52 Bahaliye will run the movement for the constitution.
31:54 Bahaliye will run the movement for the constitution.
31:56 Bahaliye will run the movement for the constitution.
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35:46 Pakistan is in a very bad situation.
35:48 Pakistan is in a very bad situation.
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36:42 Take care of their age.
36:44 Let's take a break.