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00:00Mr. Malik, it is very safe to assume that the optics that are being seen and the PTI friends who are giving off-the-record impressions that Sardigal has happened or whatever is happening or Mr. Gauahar has happened,
00:13the truth is that the hole is still there. The institution is still thinking what it was thinking till yesterday and Mr. Khan is still standing there and writing that this was a false flag and the matter is still there.
00:22Is it safe to assume this on the basis of all these things and many other things?
00:27What do you expect? Until something is decided, Mr. Khan cannot let go of his breath.
00:34Why should he let go? Why should he give a concession to someone for free?
00:41Why should he talk about self-incriminating?
00:45He is not facing a single case. The May 9th case is still going on.
00:48Right now, everyone is just waiting for the decision whether there will be a civilian trial or a military trial.
00:54So, this is a very dangerous case and the one you are seeing right now in which he has been imprisoned for 14 years and is being called an open-and-shut case,
01:04I think that is a more dangerous case than this because even if the Supreme Court gives a conditional permission,
01:12then a very dangerous path will open up for the civilians' trial and further for the punishments and it will not be that easy for the punishments there to be broken.
01:21So, this is a very delicate time and frankly, no matter what anyone says, whether it is Mr. Gandapur or Gaur Khan, it does not matter.
01:32PTI is a one-man party, that is Mr. Imran Khan.
01:36Whatever he says is the PTI's official policy and stance and it does not matter that he said it in your interview.
01:44He said the same thing that some of our people had left.
01:46But believe me, in the larger scheme of things, it does not matter.
01:51Mr. Malik, do you agree that the state is still far from being able to establish that Mr. Gandapur was a mastermind of the 9th amendment?
01:59Let me tell you one thing.
02:01We used to hear that it was a very open-and-shut case and that Mr. Faiz Aneed's trial had started in the top city.
02:11Why is his decision not coming?
02:12This is a very interesting development.
02:15You must remember the press release of the ISPR case.
02:19I remember both of them.
02:21In the second case, there was a separate investigation that was under way as to what was the role of the 9th amendment.
02:29It was also mentioned that the mastermind would also be punished.
02:35Clearly, there is a discussion going on somewhere, Waseem,
02:39because of which the FIR No. 2, the CRPC case,
02:45there is another case, the case No. 2.
02:47The police cut the case, they keep the case No. 2.
02:51In that case, they can put anyone's name at any time.
02:53I think that the success or failure of these negotiations will decide what will happen to Mr. Faiz Aneed's second case.
03:05And even then, that decision has been halted.
03:07The day Mr. Faiz Aneed's decision comes in the first trial,
03:10then the situation will become very clear as to what is Mr. Imran Khan's future reserve institution.
03:16So, you are saying that the negotiations will depend on this.
03:19The negotiations for all practical purposes have not ended yet.
03:22Many things are connected to it.
03:25But sir, the negotiations for all practical purposes have not ended yet.
03:29Sir, this is obvious.
03:30What do you think, the negotiations that took place,
03:32Mr. Imran Khan has also decided that he will do the negotiations one day,
03:36and the Prime Minister also got up in the morning and said,
03:38what should we do today, let's make these negotiations committees.
03:41This does not happen.
03:42The negotiations that took place in front of us were the result of these back-and-forth negotiations.
03:47And I always say that there was a table of food,
03:51the food was to be cooked somewhere else, it had to be served from here,
03:54and they had to slap each other,
03:56see, they have done a lot of work.
03:57So, where it was cooking, there was a little more fire, the food was burnt.
04:02My question is very simple, if these were the negotiations,
04:05then why did the meetings with Busha Bibi take place?
04:08If these were the negotiations,
04:10then why did the Army Chief give time to Gauhar and Gandabur
04:13despite the four-hour launch order security meeting?
04:18There must have been a four-hour meeting, everyone was sitting in it.
04:21So, there is a lot more happening on the side.
04:24Clearly, the results are not coming there,
04:27on the basis of which you say that these negotiations should go ahead.
04:31These negotiations were a facade,
04:34it was to show.
04:35Something was going on behind it, and it is going on,
04:38and it has not matured yet.
04:39That's what you're saying, right?
04:40That's what I'm saying.