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- Rana Sanaullah Khan PMLN
PTI's 8 Feb Protest - Kya Kuch Bara Honay Jaraha Hai? - BIG NEWS
Sahibaza Hamid Raza reacts to PM Shehbaz's offer
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00:00In the name of Allah, the most Gracious, the most Merciful, the most Merciful, I am Huwa Niqa Nisar.
00:14Viewers, there were a lot of expectations associated with these talks.
00:17I had thought that maybe now two political parties, big political parties have sat down,
00:21so some solution will come out.
00:23Maybe this political instability, which also instables the government,
00:29maybe this will go towards a solution.
00:31Things will go towards laughter, happiness, and they lived happily ever after.
00:36But this is not the case.
00:38Negotiations were broken.
00:39After the negotiations, there was a statement.
00:41After that, there was talk of arrests and arrests.
00:44After that, an olive branch has been given by the government.
00:47And that is not from anyone else.
00:49Not from the negotiating team.
00:51Not from any other leader of the Jamaat.
00:54In fact, it is from Prime Minister Shahbaz Sharif himself.
00:57Let's make a House Committee.
00:58Let's sit in the House Committee.
00:59Let's try to solve the issues.
01:01Listen to this.
01:02Let's come and sit.
01:03We are ready for the House Committee.
01:05The committee that was formed for the 2018 election should also complete its work.
01:09And the 2024 election should also be formed as a House Committee.
01:12Let's bring the facts to the fore.
01:14Let's talk about the November 26 protest.
01:17The 2014 protest should also be removed by the House Committee.
01:21And November 26, 2024 should also be removed.
01:24I am ready with a sincere heart, with a good intention, that this dialogue moves forward.
01:30The Prime Minister is ready.
01:32But the lock is left with two hands.
01:34And the other hand is not ready at this time.
01:36That is, Pakistan considers the movement of justice to be a blatant refusal.
01:40They have completely rejected it.
01:42That we do not want to be a part of any House Committee.
01:45And what is Umar Ayub saying, listen to that too.
01:48On January 15, 2025, I wrote a letter to the Speaker of the National Assembly, Ayaz Sadiq.
01:53Let's make a Parliamentary Committee, which will appoint a Chief Election Commissioner.
01:57Shahbaz Sharif has not yet written a letter to me as the Leader of the Opposition.
02:01And he wants to make this thing pending.
02:03We will not let this happen.
02:04Prepare for February 8.
02:06There will be a full convention in Swabi.
02:09Prepare for February 8, this is not a protest.
02:11On the one hand, it is a protest.
02:13On the other hand, the Prime Minister is saying, let's move forward with the negotiations.
02:16Negotiations continue with one of the leaders of these two communities.
02:20And they only look at them when there is a problem.
02:23Even if the PTI gets stuck, it looks at them.
02:25Even if the government gets stuck, it looks at them.
02:27Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman.
02:28Is Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman standing with the protest or with the negotiations?
02:34I am a political activist.
02:35I believe in negotiations.
02:37And through negotiations, I believe in a political solution.
02:40So I will support the negotiations.
02:42Negotiating and not negotiating is their own business.
02:47Because they started the negotiations, they did not trust the other opposition groups.
02:53Why was there a clear refusal on this?
02:55Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman is also filling in for the negotiations.
02:58He says, I am a political activist.
02:59So it is obvious that I believe in negotiations.
03:01And if he is a political worker and a political worker believes in negotiations,
03:06then the PTI is not made up of political workers.
03:08This becomes a question.
03:09Along with that, Hamid Reza Sahib is present with us.
03:11The head of the Sunni Unity Council.
03:13That committee which is not present anymore.
03:16It is reaching out to the other politicians.
03:19The head of that committee is also present.
03:21The spokesperson is Sahibzada Sahib.
03:24The head is Umar Ayub Sahib.
03:25He is the leader of the opposition at this time.
03:27He also has to sit with Wazir Azam and resolve a lot of issues.
03:30But Sahibzada Sahib, thank you very much for joining me in the program.
03:32First of all, tell me, why did you refuse so clearly?
03:36Did you have any thought or discussion about negotiations?
03:40Did you have any discussion about stabilizing a destabilized country?
03:43Thank you very much for having me.
03:46It was our right and we did it.
03:49As simple as that.
03:50There is some logic behind it, Sahibzada Sahib.
03:53Tell me about the logic.
03:54I said this once in your first program.
03:57There are three things in logic.
03:58You are not able to fulfill your commitment by sitting at the table of negotiations.
04:02You say straight away that you cannot give this commitment.
04:05Which commitment?
04:06Meeting Mr. Khan.
04:07You made him do it.
04:09No, no, no.
04:10We kept waiting for seven days.
04:13In the third meeting of the negotiating committee,
04:16if you look at the announcements,
04:18it is stated that within two to three days they will give access to us to Imran Khan.
04:23It was not given.
04:24Seven days.
04:25You also gave seven days.
04:26You also ate for two to three days.
04:29So we went from three to seven.
04:31So you also did the same.
04:32We gave four days.
04:33No, why did we eat?
04:34You will go to our homes, you will pressurize us.
04:37What should I say?
04:39I also know what their plan is.
04:41What is the plan?
04:42Let the time come, Inshallah.
04:44The Punjab government will have to answer that too, Inshallah.
04:47What are they planning?
04:48Then big trusts will fly.
04:50Then no one's trust will go.
04:52You?
04:53What trust are you talking about?
04:55About flying?
04:56Some trusts will go to Raiwind Road,
05:01turn from there to Jati Umrah,
05:03then their accounts will also be opened.
05:05There is a lot.
05:06Are you threatening?
05:08If I get a threat, then I will also give a threat.
05:11So now the matter has come to threats, sir.
05:14Yes, of course.
05:15Then we will understand.
05:17Our sitting M.N.A, Mian Ghosh is picked up.
05:19He is a member of the National Assembly.
05:21He is missing for 48 hours.
05:24Are you talking about Muzakirat?
05:26Right now, look at the way it is spreading in Punjab.
05:30In our workers' houses, in our M.N.A's houses,
05:33in our M.P.A's houses.
05:35The crackdown is starting again.
05:36You are talking about Muzakirat.
05:38What kind of joke is this?
05:39This is not how it works.
05:40Then how does it work?
05:41What do we have to do?
05:43Look, I don't understand one thing.
05:46The so-called democratic people in Pakistan,
05:49why don't they have so much tolerance
05:52that a democratic right that the opposition has,
05:55the right to protest,
05:56let them use that right.
05:58Let them use it.
05:59Sir, sir, these are memories of the past.
06:01Take away my memory from me.
06:02They remember what happened to them during your time.
06:05What happened?
06:06Didn't Maryam Nawaz come to Islamabad?
06:07Didn't Bilawal come to Karachi?
06:09Didn't he break it?
06:10He didn't break it.
06:11Was it Ahsan Iqbal?
06:12Shahid Khan Abbasi?
06:13He came in with Dasma Bushra Begum
06:14and arrested Khan's sisters.
06:16I am not condoning him in any way.
06:18I am also not condoning him in any way.
06:19Look, I want to say that
06:20they remember what happened at that time.
06:21I am not supporting that act in any way.
06:23Okay.
06:24But they haven't leveled the score here.
06:26They have put a debt on us.
06:28No, you are saying that
06:29whenever you come, you will do this.
06:31No, if you put your hands on respect,
06:33then what will you expect?
06:36We are dead.
06:38Now pick us up.
06:40Don't go after the women of our homes.
06:42Don't do that.
06:43It's fine with the women of the homes.
06:46Bushra Begum has come into politics.
06:48No, she hasn't come into politics.
06:49How come she hasn't come?
06:50She has led the whole issue of Chuddahism.
06:53Kulsoom Nawaz Sahiba was in politics.
06:56No, but at that time, she was…
06:58She was also in protest.
07:00Her husband,
07:01was arrested by Pervez Musharraf.
07:04She was a woman of the home.
07:06She came out.
07:07Similarly, Imran Khan is in jail.
07:08His wife came out.
07:09Your point makes sense.
07:10But tell me this.
07:11Yes or no?
07:12Deny it or accept it.
07:14Is Bushra Begum not properly involved
07:16in the organization?
07:18No.
07:19You're denying it?
07:20Yes.
07:21So, all those leaders
07:22and the statement that came with you
07:24that I won't take up those responsibilities
07:26is telling your smile.
07:27Where did that go?
07:28No, that was not that statement.
07:29I even resigned.
07:30Yes, exactly.
07:31Why did I resign?
07:32I can tell you openly
07:34why I resigned.
07:35After 1926,
07:36the MNAs and MPAs of Punjab
07:39were charged.
07:41Who did it?
07:42From the party.
07:43Our KPK people.
07:44No, no.
07:45From the KPK people.
07:46They also had a way of thinking.
07:48They also understood it.
07:49Was it a way of thinking or words?
07:51No, they understood it.
07:52Didn't they use any words
07:54that were offensive?
07:56Regarding what?
07:58I wasn't in any meeting
08:00where they used offensive words.
08:01You weren't,
08:02but was there a meeting like that?
08:03I don't think so.
08:05When I was there,
08:06I was very strict.
08:07Your expressions,
08:08your words,
08:09don't support you much.
08:10Anyone can say anything
08:11in strictness.
08:12No, even if they said it,
08:14everyone in the party
08:15thinks of them as sisters.
08:18Your sister was saying
08:19that you all left her.
08:21No, I don't think
08:22she said that to us.
08:23Ali Amin Gandapur said
08:24that she was left alone.
08:27Ali Amin took her back.
08:29The video said that,
08:30but he said something else.
08:31But he didn't say it himself.
08:33He didn't get a statement
08:34from any of his family members.
08:35No,
08:36he didn't get a statement
08:37from Bushra Bibi himself.
08:38He didn't say it himself.
08:39I didn't see it.
08:40You didn't see it
08:41and you know it.
08:42The division is very clear,
08:43Mr. Saheb Zala.
08:44Accept it.
08:45No,
08:46leave this.
08:47Why should I leave it?
08:48No, I...
08:51When did Maryam Nawaz
08:52come into politics?
08:55A little while ago?
08:56Yes.
08:57In Praviz Musharraf's era.
08:58In fact,
08:59after Praviz Musharraf's era,
09:00not at that time.
09:01Didn't she have interference
09:02at that time?
09:03In party matters?
09:04Yes.
09:05So what if Bushra Begum
09:06interfered?
09:07Accept it,
09:08she is there.
09:09Okay, she is there.
09:10So what?
09:11Interference means
09:12the first step of politics.
09:13Look,
09:14Mr. Imran Khan has to
09:15take that decision.
09:16Yes.
09:17So what did Mr. Imran Khan
09:18decide?
09:19You are very close to him.
09:20He tells you a lot of things.
09:21You are his confidant.
09:22Mr. Imran Khan
09:23has given a line
09:24to the party
09:25and the party
09:26follows it.
09:27All the meetings
09:28I have attended with Mr. Khan,
09:29in any of the meetings,
09:30there was no discussion
09:31about the women
09:32of the house.
09:33Okay.
09:34All the directions
09:35are for the PC,
09:36for the core committee,
09:37now for the
09:38negotiation committee,
09:39they are face on.
09:40Mr. Khan himself
09:41is giving them to us.
09:42Okay.
09:43Move on.
09:44Let's move on.
09:45Will this suggestion
09:46of Mr. Imran Khan
09:47be kept in front of him
09:48that he is saying
09:49that let's sit
09:50in the parliament
09:51and solve the matter
09:52in the parliament.
09:53Which parliament?
09:54The parliament
09:55in which you are sitting.
09:56The parliament
09:57in which you are sitting
09:58after accepting it.
09:59Everyone is
10:00jacking there.
10:01Are you also jacking?
10:02Yes, I am jacking.
10:03Is PTI also jacking?
10:04Everyone is jacking.
10:05The government is also jacking.
10:06Do you think
10:07this is parliament?
10:08You call this parliament?
10:09I would like to think
10:10that this is parliament.
10:11You call this parliament?
10:12Where in the parliament
10:1310 MNAs get abducted,
10:14a special committee
10:15is made on them
10:16and a very seasoned
10:17matured politician
10:18in the leadership
10:19of Khursheed Shah
10:20cannot have
10:21a second meeting.
10:22And you call
10:23this parliament?
10:24Okay.
10:25So then we
10:26should not call
10:27the parliament
10:28of 2018
10:29as a parliament.
10:30The Khursheed Shah
10:31whom you are talking about
10:32has been in jail
10:33for a long time.
10:34Do you know that?
10:35Then you should
10:36not start from 2018.
10:37Shahid Khan Abbas
10:38says that
10:39we should
10:40remove 70 years.
10:41No, leave 70 years.
10:42Right now,
10:43there are three main parties.
10:44Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf,
10:45Pakistan Muslim League Noon,
10:46and Pakistan People's Party.
10:47If you start
10:48the tenures of these three,
10:49the work started
10:50from 1988.
10:51People's Party
10:52and PMLN.
10:53Okay.
10:54Let's start from 1988.
10:55Do it then.
10:56You have to sit
10:57in the parliament
10:58from 1988 to 2012
10:59and 30 years.
11:00What did you deliver
11:01from PMLN
11:02and People's Party?
11:03Nothing.
11:04What did you deliver
11:05from PMLN
11:06and People's Party?
11:07Nothing.
11:08You didn't do anything.
11:09You didn't do anything.
11:10If they didn't do anything
11:11in 30 years,
11:12then if we can't
11:13do anything in 2.5 years,
11:14then we should kill them.
11:15Not 2.5 years.
11:16Not 2.5 years.
11:17No, no.
11:18You said 12 years
11:19in KPK.
11:20Then go and see in KPK.
11:21I have seen it.
11:22I can't leave in the evening.
11:23Right now,
11:24your only province
11:25is a situation
11:26of law and order.
11:27The roads are broken.
11:28Listen,
11:29it is a situation
11:30of law and order.
11:31You didn't manage
11:32the people.
11:33Border affected area.
11:34I have been to that area.
11:35Only province in Pakistan
11:36which is in surplus.
11:37Only province in Pakistan.
11:38This is the economy
11:39number.
11:40No, no.
11:41There is no way
11:42like that.
11:43You both have
11:44a competition.
11:45What kind of competition
11:46do you have?
11:47You do this.
11:48Punjab's school colleges,
11:49Punjab's hospitals,
11:50send your team
11:51with me.
11:52I will show you
11:53KPK's school colleges
11:54and KPK's schools.
11:55Let's do this.
11:56Let's do this.
11:57Let's do this.
11:58Let's do this.
11:59Now tell me,
12:00what is going
12:01to happen
12:02on 8th February?
12:03What kind of
12:04protest are you going
12:05to do?
12:06You do protest,
12:07right?
12:08Now what?
12:09Protest?
12:10What kind?
12:11Jalsa, Jaloos,
12:12Railway.
12:13Till Sawabi?
12:14Till KPK?
12:15No, I think
12:16I have information
12:17till now.
12:18I may be wrong
12:19in that,
12:20but I am telling you.
12:21West Punjab,
12:22Central Punjab,
12:23they will go
12:24to Lahore.
12:25Okay.
12:26And North
12:27will go to Sawabi.
12:28Because we are
12:29seeing convenience
12:30that no one
12:31has to travel
12:32for a long time.
12:33It happened
12:34on 26th November,
12:3524th November,
12:36that Salman Akram
12:37Raja was travelling
12:38in a car again.
12:39No one was
12:40in front of him
12:41or behind him.
12:42Let the moment
12:43come.
12:44I am trying to
12:45ask you.
12:46Let the moment
12:47come.
12:48Before the
12:49moment,
12:50give me
12:51some news.
12:52Today,
12:53there was
12:54a Jalsa
12:55in Harnai,
12:56Balochistan.
12:57You take
12:58the coverage
12:59of that Jalsa
13:00and take
13:01the footages
13:02and give
13:03us a
13:04one hour
13:05margin.
13:06Stop the
13:07crackdown.
13:08We will
13:09still leave.
13:10We know
13:11that we will
13:12get arrested
13:13and tortured.
13:14Let me be
13:15very clear on it.
13:16Sir,
13:17will PTI
13:18leave alone
13:19for the
13:20protest?
13:21Or what?
13:22No.
13:23MWO
13:24will leave
13:25with them.
13:26The rest
13:27of the
13:28Jamaats
13:29have the
13:30right to leave
13:31and
13:32protest.
13:33We have
13:34met with
13:35Maulana
13:36and
13:37Mustafa
13:38Nawaz
13:39Khokhar.
13:40We are
13:41going to
13:42GDA.
13:43What is
13:44the response
13:45from
13:46GDA,
13:47Maulana
13:48and
13:49Mr.
13:50Achakzai?
13:51Will
13:52they
13:53protest?
13:54Mr.
13:55Achakzai is
13:56the head
13:57of
13:58Tariq-e-Tawfiziyan
13:59in Pakistan.
14:00For
14:01many
14:02days
14:03before
14:04the
14:05elections,
14:06he
14:07was
14:08with
14:09us.
14:10We
14:11will
14:12meet
14:13him
14:14in
14:15the
14:16GDA,
14:17and
14:18we
14:19will
14:20join
14:21him
14:22in
14:23the
14:24protest.
14:25We
14:26will
14:27meet
14:28him
14:29and respecting each other's opinions,
14:32whatever we reach on, we will adopt it.
14:35But I want to know this,
14:37because Mr. Asad Qaisar told me that
14:39we will activate civil society as well.
14:41Yes.
14:42So who all have you reached out to so far?
14:44Inshallah, in the coming few days,
14:47in Islamabad, we are doing a three-day seminar.
14:50There are different segments of societies,
14:53there are lawyers,
14:54there are civil activists,
14:57there are doctors,
14:59there are students,
15:00we are reaching out to all of them,
15:02everyone is responsible.
15:03Inshallah, the day it starts, you will see that.
15:05Inshallah, in the coming few days.
15:07And do you think you will be able to bring all these groups on the streets?
15:11Those groups want to come on the streets with great intensity,
15:14they are shot and scared.
15:17So, let's go,
15:18out of this fear that there will be heavy-handedness from the government,
15:22PTI and PTI supporters
15:25and these groups,
15:26will they come out or not?
15:27They will come out, Inshallah.
15:29Let me tell you one thing,
15:32a person becomes blind in power.
15:35He becomes blind in popularity as well.
15:37He does,
15:38but the drug of power is not that of popularity.
15:43Apart from Allah,
15:45no one has the right to be arrogant
15:47and no one has the right to be proud of power.
15:50Mark my words,
15:53there is a little time.
15:55How little?
15:56Who has a little time? The government?
15:58Of course, the government has.
15:59So, how little time do you have?
16:02Less than a year.
16:03By the way, Mr. Sahibzad,
16:05with due respect,
16:06I have been hearing for a long time,
16:08that Mr. Khan is coming out in May,
16:10PTI is coming out in November,
16:11then in December,
16:12then in January,
16:13then on 20th January,
16:15there was a lot of emphasis of PTI leaders,
16:17but nothing happened.
16:18I didn't say that.
16:20I am giving you a very calculated opinion.
16:22And let me tell you one more thing.
16:24If we want to come, we will come.
16:27How is that?
16:28Just the way he came.
16:31But there was an offer.
16:33Even if there wasn't,
16:35it's not difficult.
16:38No, I have a little doubt now.
16:41Because you are trying to talk
16:43in the direction you are pointing.
16:44No, I am not pointing,
16:45I am talking about the establishment.
16:47You want to talk.
16:49No, my approach was different.
16:51Every person has a different approach.
16:53I, being a political worker,
16:54think that with the government,
16:57because the Prime Minister is the Chief Executive,
16:59all the institutions are under him.
17:01When we talk about 9th May,
17:0326th November massacre,
17:05then it is quite natural
17:07that the people of the institution
17:08will have to take the government on board.
17:10When the negotiations were starting,
17:12during the negotiations,
17:13the committee, the negotiating committee,
17:15Rana Sinawala kept saying
17:17that the institutions of power are on board.
17:20So that was good.
17:21That was sufficient enough for me,
17:22being a political worker,
17:23that if they were on board,
17:24and let me tell you one thing,
17:27without their on board,
17:29the government didn't have the capacity
17:31to sit with us.
17:33It seems like you are talking from experience,
17:35from the experience of the last time.
17:37All the experiences.
17:39The government committee didn't agree
17:41that we can't meet.
17:42They have explicitly said,
17:44the Prime Minister openly says
17:45that they are on board.
17:46But tell me one thing,
17:48are there any contacts
17:50with the establishment now?
17:52No.
17:53None?
17:54None.
17:55Not even backdoor diplomacy?
17:56No.
17:57That one meeting that took place
17:58with Barrister Gauhar,
17:59that started with security matters,
18:00was that just one,
18:01or did something else happen after that?
18:03It's a long story.
18:04Let's finish it.
18:06Okay, so at this time,
18:07no negotiations with the establishment,
18:09no negotiations with the government.
18:10No negotiations with the government.
18:11Do you have any expectations from America?
18:13I have expectations from Allah.
18:14No, everyone has expectations from Allah.
18:16Allah...
18:17No.
18:18Sometimes we have expectations from Allah
18:20and we sit and watch
18:21what happens on the other side.
18:22I also look towards Allah.
18:24We are talking about you
18:25and PTI as well.
18:26No, I am also talking about PTI people.
18:28Look, the policy statement
18:30that was sufficient enough,
18:32by Imran Khan,
18:33that the previous government,
18:35Biden administration,
18:37in the operation regime change,
18:39intervened in internal affairs
18:41of Pakistan.
18:42We expect from the Trump administration
18:44that it will not intervene
18:46in the internal affairs of Pakistan.
18:48Imran Khan's release
18:50will be as a result of the incitement
18:52and movement in Pakistan.
18:54That is the policy statement
18:56given by Imran Khan.
18:57What else you can ask for?
18:58No, but with the government,
18:59you know,
19:00Donald Trump's close associate
19:02had come,
19:03Gentry as well.
19:05So that...
19:06I don't want to pass a comment on that.
19:08Now you have brought Richard Grenell,
19:11No, no, no.
19:12I am no one.
19:13Have you seen me in any program?
19:15No, I am talking about you,
19:17PTI, your associates.
19:19I think,
19:20the mainstream leadership...
19:22Sir, there is lobbying going on.
19:24Proper lobbying is going on.
19:26Who is not doing it?
19:27Mr. Burki and others.
19:28What has Mr. Bilawal gone there to do?
19:30Has he gone there to start
19:32a billion tree project in America?
19:34Or has he gone there to hit
19:36the populated areas?
19:39Has Mr. Bilawal gone there
19:41to present a solution?
19:42Has he gone there to lobby?
19:43So you are saying that
19:44there are still hopes?
19:45No, no.
19:46With whom?
19:47So what is lobbying for,
19:48Mr. Saheb Zafar?
19:49It is for hopes, right?
19:50No, no.
19:51Listen to me.
19:52You tell your narrative
19:53and convey it.
19:54If someone does it to convey it,
19:55then that is their right.
19:56If Mr. Bilawal is doing it,
19:57then I am not criticizing that.
19:58I am just saying he is doing that.
19:59Let him do that.
20:00Okay.
20:01That's fine, Mr. Saheb Zafar.
20:02Thank you very much
20:03for joining me in the program.
20:04Let's take a break.
20:05Mr. Grenell will be with us.
20:06Let's ask him as well.
20:07After the break.
20:08Welcome back.
20:09After the break.
20:10Whether there will be
20:11a discussion or not,
20:12this has become a dilemma.
20:13But the Prime Minister
20:14has said that
20:15let's form a Parliamentary Committee.
20:16The House Committee
20:17will resolve these issues
20:18instead of having discussions
20:19again and again.
20:20Let's formally bring them
20:21to the Parliament.
20:22Mr. Rana Sanawala
20:23is with us.
20:24He is the senior
20:25of PMLN.
20:26Mr. Rana, thank you very much
20:27for joining me in the program.
20:28Mr. Rana,
20:29this is the first time
20:30that we are having
20:31a discussion
20:32in the Parliament.
20:33Let's have a discussion
20:34in the House Committee.
20:35Let's have a discussion
20:36in the House Committee.
20:37Mr. Rana,
20:38the PM's suggestion
20:39has been rejected
20:40by the PTI.
20:41Are you
20:42giving up
20:43all your hopes
20:44for a discussion?
20:45Look,
20:46the intention
20:47of this rejection
20:48is that
20:49both the democracy
20:50and the democratic
20:51system
20:52are unaware
20:53of these issues.
20:54Both
20:55the democracy
20:56and the democratic
20:57system
20:58are unaware
20:59of these issues.
21:00Both
21:01the democracy
21:02and the democratic
21:03system
21:04are unaware
21:05of these issues.
21:06It is our
21:07misfortune
21:08that
21:09for the past
21:1010-12 years
21:11the party
21:12has kept
21:13its roots
21:14in the people.
21:15I have always
21:16accepted
21:17the fact
21:18that it is
21:19permissible
21:20and it should
21:21be done.
21:22If you have
21:23any opposition
21:24or if you have
21:25any strength
21:26then there is
21:27no difference
21:28in ignoring
21:29or not
21:30accepting it.
21:31So,
21:32the PTI
21:33is a
21:34political
21:35party.
21:36It has
21:37a presence
21:38in the
21:39people.
21:40But
21:41the bad
21:42thing about
21:43them is
21:44that they
21:45are not
21:46ready to
21:47accept
21:48the presence
21:49of others.
21:50They should
21:51also accept
21:52the way
21:53we accept
21:54that you
21:55have a
21:56vote bank
21:57and you
21:58are a
21:59political
22:00party.
22:01They should
22:02also accept
22:03that we
22:04are
22:05a
22:06political
22:07party
22:08and
22:09we
22:10are
22:11a
22:12political
22:13party.
22:14They
22:15should
22:16also
22:17accept
22:18that we
22:19are
22:20a
22:21political
22:22party.
22:23They
22:24should
22:25also
22:26accept
22:27that we
22:28are
22:29a
22:30political
22:31party.
22:32Dialogue and discussions should be disconnect-free.
22:39Even if something is agreed upon or not, if the issue is being resolved today, it will be resolved in the future.
22:46Mr. Rana, it is good that you are sitting on the topic of dialogue.
22:49But you are blaming Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf for the lack of dialogue and discussions.
22:54You said that no matter what the situation is outside,
22:58the members of the dialogue team will not speak against each other.
23:03After that, you had a press conference in which you were also present.
23:06After that press conference, the situation worsened.
23:09That, combined with Mr. Hamid Raza, who was present in the program a while ago,
23:14was published in his house.
23:16That became the reason.
23:17Some members of PTI also think that Mr. Nawaz Sharif was also trying to sabotage this matter.
23:24So, you are being blamed for everything.
23:26What was the need for Mr. Nawaz Sharif to sabotage?
23:29If Mr. Nawaz Sharif had indicated, we would not have been able to take a step forward.
23:36He is our party leader.
23:38He has to give the policy.
23:41These discussions have started with his approval.
23:44The committee has been formed with his approval.
23:47So, it is not like that.
23:49Mr. Nawaz Sharif himself believes in this.
23:54On 21st October 2020, he spoke in front of the whole nation.
23:59It is not that he gave a speech in a meeting.
24:02The whole nation was listening to him live at that time.
24:05He said that my 40 years of political life is such that
24:09as long as everyone does not sit together,
24:12it is difficult to get out of this country.
24:16The situation has become very difficult.
24:20So, he believes in these things.
24:24Why did he have to sabotage these things?
24:27I do not want to go into this argument that why did he have to hold a press conference.
24:33When he gave us his answer, he disclosed it.
24:38He made it on air.
24:39After that, we also had to say something.
24:43But, let it be.
24:45We held the press conference against his will.
24:48It was also published.
24:52Although, I am fully convinced that it was not published.
25:01But, both the things happened.
25:03So, what is the point of running away from the dialogue?
25:08You can sit and talk.
25:09Why did you publish it?
25:13Why did you hold a press conference?
25:15What was the need to hold a press conference?
25:17We would have given you an answer.
25:20If our answer was not justified,
25:22then we would not have made you believe that this was a mistake.
25:28If it was published, then someone must have asked the committee.
25:36I am talking as a political worker.
25:42Anyone can make such excuses.
25:44If you do not want to do something,
25:46and you want to find an excuse for it, then you can do it.
25:49But, Mr. Narayan,
25:50after the Charter of Demand,
25:53you submitted your answer to the Speaker of the National Assembly.
25:57He revealed what was in the Charter of Demand.
26:02What is the point of your answer?
26:07No member of the committee can comment on it.
26:12The committee has decided that none of us will comment on it.
26:19Otherwise, there will be a lot of commentaries.
26:23He is the head of all these things.
26:30The extent to which he has spoken,
26:33you can take it to that extent.
26:35We were not giving him a clear answer.
26:39We were not giving him a clear answer.
26:44We were going to tell him in exchange,
26:47that let's do it this way and not that way.
26:50If he had said that what we are saying is more correct,
26:53then he would have convinced us.
26:56If we had convinced him,
27:01then maybe we would have agreed with him.
27:05Or in between these two things,
27:08there is a compromise.
27:10Agreement is the name of something.
27:12If we have to listen to him,
27:14then what is the point of agreement?
27:16Or if he has to listen to us,
27:18then what is the point of agreement?
27:20Agreement is the name of something.
27:22If we have to listen to him,
27:24then what is the point of agreement?
27:26You can talk about it.
27:30But the point is that he should not have bicotted.
27:35Bicotting is not the solution to any problem.
27:38He has bicotted,
27:40but now you are talking about the offer of the Prime Minister,
27:44the House Committee.
27:46Do you remember,
27:48after the 2018 elections,
27:50Mr. Imran Khan spoke about the Parliamentary Committee.
27:53Now you are doing it.
27:55Even at that time, it was delayed.
27:57The PTI knows that it will be delayed this time as well.
27:59They understand that the government is using it as a delaying tactic.
28:02In such a situation,
28:04if the PTI is looking at it like this,
28:06then it will not be accepted.
28:08We can talk about it.
28:10I can tell them why it was delayed.
28:14The Parliamentary Committee has 350 people in it.
28:23If you include the Senate,
28:26then it has 450 people.
28:28People can say whatever they want.
28:31But isn't it that out of 450 people,
28:335-7 people are not like that?
28:36People who can differentiate between right and wrong,
28:42can keep it in front of the whole nation.
28:45There are people like that.
28:47In fact, more than that,
28:49there are 10 times more people like that.
28:51We will talk about the people, Mr. Rana.
28:53But you said something very interesting.
28:55You said there was a reason.
28:57What was the reason for the delay of the Parliamentary Committee?
29:01What was the reason?
29:04There is one reason.
29:06There are other reasons as well.
29:08This is not the only reason.
29:10Mr. Pravesh Khattak was the head of it.
29:13I was also a member of it.
29:15Whenever I said to Mr. Pravesh Khattak,
29:18that we had framed those issues after one session,
29:21so now make it a session.
29:23He used to say,
29:25Khan is not giving permission to make a session.
29:27I am trying.
29:29If Khan gives permission, then we will make a session.
29:32But Khan is not giving permission to make a session.
29:35This is one reason.
29:37What were the other reasons, Mr. Rana?
29:39At that time as well,
29:41some people,
29:43the way they talk to us,
29:45that you are not doing this,
29:47you are not doing that.
29:49At that time as well,
29:51a person,
29:53who is currently in jail,
29:55so,
29:57You are talking about Faiz Ameed?
29:59Mr. Rana, you are talking about Faiz Ameed?
30:02You have taken his name,
30:04but I have not.
30:06Okay, Mr. Khan,
30:08you don't want to take his name,
30:10but he has written a letter.
30:12He has written a letter to the Chief Justice of Pakistan,
30:14and the head of the Constitutional Bench,
30:16that you should make the Judicial Commission.
30:18The government is not making it,
30:20you should make it.
30:22Okay,
30:24I am telling you with full conviction,
30:26that they will not make it.
30:29And they will not make it because
30:31there is pressure on them.
30:33They are not in the right
30:35to get involved in these matters.
30:37Judiciary also wants to save itself
30:39from political matters.
30:41They also think that
30:43we have become very bad
30:45by getting involved in this matter.
30:47These political matters,
30:49it is not possible
30:51to make it.
30:53It is not possible
30:55to make it.
30:58This dirty linen,
31:00we have to wash it.
31:02No one else has to wash it.
31:04You are talking with confidence,
31:06so it can be deduced
31:08that you are saying that
31:10Judiciary has basically become
31:12the mother of the government.
31:14You know that the government
31:16has made Judiciary toothless,
31:18especially after the 26th amendment.
31:20No,
31:22Judiciary was under
31:24the leadership of
31:27Saqib Nisar.
31:29Who were they under
31:31at that time?
31:33Imran Khan.
31:35He does not have
31:37dementia.
31:39He is healthy
31:41and he does exercise.
31:43He remembers everything.
31:45Try to remember
31:47what was happening
31:49in 2017-18.
31:51What was Judiciary doing at that time?
31:54Even before that...
31:56Mr. Rehman,
31:58Judiciary was not
32:00under my leadership.
32:02It was under the leadership
32:04of the establishment.
32:06They have put the blame there.
32:08Are you putting the blame there
32:10or are you blaming yourself?
32:12If in 2017-18,
32:14Judiciary was doing everything
32:16at the behest of the establishment
32:18and even before that
32:20it was doing everything
32:22at the behest of the establishment,
32:24if now in Judiciary
32:26the Parliament
32:28has a role,
32:30will it be better
32:32or worse?
32:34Now,
32:36the full control
32:38of Judiciary
32:40is the elevation of judges,
32:42induction of judges,
32:44transfer of judges,
32:46action against judges.
32:48All the powers
32:50of the Judiciary
32:52are vested in
32:54Judicial Commission.
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