En una entrevista en Vivo el Domingo, Miguel Guñazqui discute las implicaciones de la reciente marcha y el discurso del presidente. Critica la reacción del oficialismo y señala la manipulación política detrás de los movimientos sociales. También comenta sobre la participación de figuras públicas como Nicki Nicole y Emilia Mernes, y cuestiona cómo estas acciones son percibidas internacionalmente.
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00:00Well, Miguel Guñazqui is connected to La Marcha.
00:04We thank him for being with us here on Vivo El Domingo.
00:08To ask him, obviously, what does this march leave?
00:13What does this speech leave, this march?
00:14How does the president also take it?
00:17How are you, Miguel? Good morning.
00:19Hello, good morning. How are you?
00:22Look, the march is a not forced error, it is officialism.
00:26In the speech of Davos, the president said what he said.
00:31And he motivated and triggered, so to speak, in some way,
00:36he triggered the reaction of that collective that, in rigor,
00:43having obtained, let's say, a kind of recognition,
00:46a recognition in all the planes in the Argentine society,
00:50had taken a step forward.
00:53It is true that they capitalized at the time,
00:55especially for the Kirchnerism, used, manipulated.
01:00But beyond that, there are the same people,
01:03the LGTB, as it is called, who had expanded their rights.
01:09And in the face of the expansion of rights,
01:11it is not possible to go back to the same ones,
01:14to cut them down, to make them smaller,
01:16and above all, to beat them up.
01:18I believe that there is an environment of the president,
01:21beyond the president himself,
01:23that has a kind of obsession with this issue.
01:26A little incomprehensible, a little pathological too,
01:30and politically very inconvenient.
01:33Sure, and at the same time, you just named a not forced error.
01:37What?
01:38Because obviously, well, they took advantage or also,
01:41well, it can be on one side or the other,
01:42but well, those words as if to make some kind of speech, Miguel.
01:47And some other characters were added to what was the march.
01:51Well, that disturbed it a bit.
01:53It always happens that there are characters with other intentions,
01:57but not the literal ones that mobilize the LGTB people.
02:02They try to capitalize this to confront and to criticize
02:10and even attack the government.
02:12But that does not take away the fact that it is a march
02:14that could have been avoided,
02:16that in my opinion, perhaps despite its own,
02:20because the historical statements of my law
02:23are not of a homophobic order.
02:25The previous ones, for example,
02:28there was a well-known one of the AFIMA,
02:29passivity as you want, like a puma, whatever you want,
02:32but don't make me pay the bill.
02:34That is to say, the state does not pay the bill
02:36of personal decisions.
02:38Now, the obsession with affirming that there are two sexes
02:41and only two, look, there are as many people as people.
02:45Therefore, there are as many sexualities as there are people.
02:48So, to go back to a medievalist moral at one point
02:55is, as I say, a mistake.
02:58In this political case, but it seems to me that above all
03:01there is an influence of an environment,
03:05of an environment that is manifestly
03:10emotionally involved with this issue, I don't know why.
03:13Very authoritarian, very authoritarian, very rude,
03:18and very aggressive too.
03:21I don't know, there is something to analyze.
03:25You have to give yourself time to think about it.
03:28What's wrong with them?
03:29What's wrong with them? I don't know, I don't understand.
03:31What's wrong with them? I don't know what the drawback is
03:34for a society in which there are people who feel good
03:41being how it is and not being how it is not.
03:45Miguel, do you think that political parties
03:48took advantage of this march a lot?
03:51They took advantage of what they could,
03:52but there they did a favor to the government.
03:55Imagine that the CGT, which has not manifested itself
03:58by the expansion of personal rights
04:03linked to sexuality, in short, it is not part of their interests.
04:08In general, the interests of individual bureaucracy
04:11are only the interests of the accumulation
04:14of union bureaucracy.
04:16Well, they took advantage of it a little,
04:19they did a favor to the government.
04:20But what I mean is that the fact that before,
04:25those sectors, the campora mainly,
04:27did not manifest themselves against notorious abusers
04:32or rapists, for example, Alperovic,
04:35does not imply that now a whole collective is discredited.
04:40The campora is discredited against ultra-Kirchnerist feminist movements
04:46that when the Kirchnerist is the abuser,
04:49they have not said anything.
04:50That's a horror.
04:51That does not imply that now they do not have the right to manifest themselves
04:55and that the march has been legitimate.
04:57There were 800,000 people.
05:00Well, why did they do it?
05:02I think, as I say, it is a not forced error.
05:06To say it in terms of tennis, it is a double leap,
05:09because it is a political failure and a failure in terms of
05:13what is the right to live as one wants,
05:16as long as it does not affect others.
05:19How should Miguel,
05:23the government beyond its line,
05:26and has expressed it,
05:28how should it take the different numbers of flags
05:31that were seen in this march and how to explain it
05:33so that it also does not remain, let's say, against the ideology,
05:36as you said, each one can walk freely,
05:40that is, in society, if you do not bother the other,
05:43you can walk freely.
05:44But how do you take those flags of the workers' pole?
05:48Flags, that is, how do you take that?
05:51As a sign of support or as a sign against?
05:54How do you act as a consequence?
05:57Look, even the workers' pole, whatever it is,
06:00everyone has the right to manifest themselves.
06:02What is a total madness are the flags of Palestine.
06:06Because in Palestine, a gay homosexual,
06:09whatever he was, would not live three minutes.
06:12And he would be tortured, flagellated, liquidated.
06:15There is a dose of madness in some.
06:19The political parties,
06:21by simply folding
06:25to attack the government,
06:27were qualified themselves
06:30as in their intentions.
06:32Anyway, they have the right.
06:34There is a right.
06:36Moyano has it.
06:37But Moyano has such a lack of legitimacy.
06:41The other character that he had, Kicillof,
06:44the truth is that he had very important problems
06:46in his province in the last days,
06:49and literally the day before.
06:52Well, it sounds like a political move.
06:55That happens.
06:56That's politics in the streets.
06:59The issue is the collective itself
07:00and the statements of Davos,
07:02which I repeat again,
07:03it gives me the impression that someone
07:06has influenced or written
07:10that so objectable association
07:14between homosexuality and pedophilia.
07:16Miguel, I wanted to ask you about
07:19this reading of the Government's Forced Error.
07:22Perhaps it can be read as if, in short,
07:25the government sets the agenda
07:27and perhaps it is about one issue and not another.
07:31I don't know, for example, economy,
07:32increase in oil, increase in services.
07:34Yes, I think it is a possible reading too.
07:38What happens is that we can see the agenda
07:40in a more skilful way
07:44so as not to summon 100,000 people in the street.
07:47Of course.
07:48Protesting and opening an opposing fan
07:51that was in a tranquility
07:53because the opposition is also very disconcerted.
07:55So it takes advantage of any kind of open door,
08:01logically or completely illogically,
08:05to advance against the government.
08:08But yes, it can also be...
08:11The government strategy is to
08:14summon attention in a thousand ways, surprising.
08:18Of course.
08:18And the scandal is an official communication strategy,
08:23perhaps precisely for what it implies,
08:29so that the adjustment has less explosive component
08:34in society than it could have.
08:36But in this case, let's say,
08:38they summoned 100,000 people in the street
08:40on an issue that was surpassed in Argentine society.
08:44Miguel, yesterday there were some ballads
08:47in front of the Cathedral of Buenos Aires.
08:51What is the reading of the silence now of the Church,
08:55knowing that Pope Francis opened to the gay community
09:00precisely the possibility of entering the priesthood
09:04and exercising it?
09:05What reading does it give in this sense?
09:08I read that the cathedral expressed its disagreement
09:13with the fact that it had been banned,
09:15perhaps precisely because of what you mention.
09:17Historically, yes, there was account
09:22of the ultra-moralist ecclesiastical position
09:25in this plane,
09:28an anima version towards the Church itself,
09:33and sometimes the cathedral suffered paintings
09:35and this kind of thing.
09:36On the day of yesterday,
09:39it was circulated the fact that the authorities of the cathedral,
09:45the Church in general,
09:46manifested against the ballad.
09:50Now, how difficult is it to have a speech
09:55that convinces everyone or leaves everyone more or less...
09:59No, impossible.
10:00It's almost impossible, Miguel, because notice that...
10:03Look, sorry for what you have to say,
10:04that you are doing different analyses of a nucleus
10:08where so many parts cannot agree
10:11and those who agree only because they are against the other part.
10:15Is it difficult to politically order this kind of situation?
10:20Definitely, that's politics.
10:21Politics is a discourse difficulty.
10:25Sociology explains the art of governing
10:28as the art of communicating,
10:30and indeed it is complex and sometimes these things happen.
10:35Certainly, for the president himself,
10:40the crucial thing is the economy.
10:43If you run away from there, sometimes things like this can happen to you.
10:47They are avatars that occur to him in one way or another,
10:51to the government in other ways, perhaps,
10:54but it is difficult, it is difficult.
10:56It is precisely the complication itself,
10:59the heart itself, the political complexity.
11:02Miguel, I invite you to see, if you are watching the TV closely,
11:06the reactions and gestures of Lali.
11:09I'm not seeing it, but I can hear it.
11:11Well, Lali was there, Maria Becerra together,
11:16making some of these gestures, and he also said,
11:19here we are...
11:20He said, here we are.
11:22Here we are, and here we are, expressing ourselves,
11:25and making some kind of gestures against,
11:28well, we know, the confrontation with the president.
11:32Maria Becerra, also an international artist.
11:34Regarding, also,
11:36so much concern about how Argentina is seen from the outside,
11:39which is obviously in the speeches,
11:41well, how does this affect how Argentina is seen from the outside?
11:46And if you know it by heart, that's called obsession.
11:50There we are going to connect it.
11:52Well, I'll add you, Ale, too.
11:54There we have it again, Miguel.
11:56We don't hear it right, it's cut for a second.
11:58Good, let's see.
12:02Well, there, until...
12:03Let's accommodate it.
12:04I'll add you that Loreiro was also there,
12:06Miguel Granados, Topa, the idol of the children.
12:11Yes, yes, yes.
12:12Also, well, he had a son recently, with his partner.
12:17And they also posted on Instagram,
12:20different social networks,
12:22also artists like Nicki Nicole,
12:25Yes, I hear you.
12:26Emilia Mernes,
12:27I mean, they also protested in favor of the march, right?
12:31There it is, Miguel.
12:32Good.
12:33What I was asking Miguel,
12:34so many internationally recognized stars
12:37in a state policy, too,
12:39it interests me a lot how the view is from the outside.
12:42How does this view from the outside affect
12:44artists so recognized worldwide?
12:48Especially the young audience,
12:50the audience that comes.
12:52Yes.
12:53How does this also affect politically?
12:55Because they are, whether you like it or not,
12:57they are future voters and future politicians.
12:59Now, Lali had already participated in another one,
13:01I don't remember the first one,
13:02but Lali has been with Flor de la Véz and others.
13:04This was a little stronger
13:05after the arguments that took place between both parties.
13:08How does this affect, Miguel,
13:10or how is it handled, too,
13:12in terms of politics?
13:14Sure.
13:15Look, here I am making a prophecy and a hypothesis.
13:19I don't know this figure of the artistic world.
13:24I understand, yes,
13:25that there was a communication apparatus
13:28of the show very close to Kirchnerism
13:31that worked,
13:32militating for it.
13:34They have a credit in some of their fans,
13:38but also a discredit,
13:40and it is a matter of discussion from the outside.
13:42It gives me the impression that the mobilization
13:45of these stars is not going to be of much relevance
13:51in a government that, like any government,
13:53is always in conflict with interpretations.
13:59Some interpret it well and others badly.
14:02This is related to any government.
14:04It doesn't seem to me that the New York Times
14:06takes this into account,
14:08or the Wall Street Journal,
14:10or even the FMI, etc.
14:12And the presidential north
14:17has to do with these economic and political actors,
14:21and not with the world of the show.
14:26Especially when this, in general,
14:28I don't mean these figures in particular,
14:30because I generally ignore them,
14:33but in general,
14:39I'm talking in general,
14:40I reiterate this,
14:41I don't want to be wrong in what I say,
14:45in general,
14:46they were very, very associated
14:48with interests linked,
14:50in many cases,
14:51to the previous government.
14:53Abuse of his time, Miguel.
14:55And I'm going to read,
14:56he just named the previous government and Kirchnerism.
14:59And, well, Cristina Fernández de Kirchner
15:01expressed herself in her social network.
15:03Yes, the tweet is very long, Miguel,
15:05but at one point she says
15:07that it is a march in rejection
15:09of the governmental policies of my law
15:11and its ideological exabrupts.
15:14Very long, what the lady tweeted.
15:17She says the march for public universities
15:19was massive and non-ideological.
15:21Then she says that yesterday's march
15:23ended up mobilizing
15:25different sectors of society.
15:28Well.
15:29Yes.
15:30Well, Cristina intends to continue
15:32within the political scene.
15:35Today it is tangential,
15:37she is in a conflict with Kicillof,
15:39her son Máximo was in the march,
15:41surrounded by militants who protected him.
15:44Never before,
15:45Máximo, to cite this example,
15:47had manifested explicitly,
15:50militating in favor of the LGTB,
15:52whatever,
15:53and well,
15:54also within the rules of the game.
15:57She plays her political game.
15:59The truth is that she has more important problems.
16:01She has a sentence,
16:02and she is facing a very, very complex year.
16:04This year there will be a trial
16:06for the Senteno notebooks
16:08and also for the Nisman case.
16:10And everything will be done in an oral way,
16:12so that these are the ...
16:14Cristina also wants to divert the agenda of herself.
16:16Exhibiting herself,
16:18competing with the government,
16:20what she does is try to divert the agenda of herself,
16:22which is very complex for this year,
16:24in Jewish terms, very complex, really.
16:26Yes, besides, one says,
16:28Miguel, this, I attribute it to myself,
16:30I say,
16:31the best campaign that can have an officialism
16:33is that Cristina speaks, right?
16:35And also ...
16:36Cristina and the others,
16:38if she founded it after Moreno,
16:40they have done a good job to the government.
16:42And also,
16:43Miguel, here Cristina is expressed
16:45directly about Javier Milley.
16:47He says,
16:48the right to property and happiness
16:50are the limits,
16:52that Milley will not only be able to violate,
16:54but also will have to give answers
16:56sooner rather than later.
16:58That's what he ends up saying
17:00in the last paragraph, Cristina Fernández de Kirchner.
17:02Yes, it is an admonition.
17:04The truth is that before the courts
17:06she has to give answers sooner rather than later.
17:08Now she has been making all the mistakes,
17:10and not in her favor,
17:12with a huge number of public trials,
17:14is Cristina Fernández.
17:157-20-25,
17:16which is a very ...
17:18I reiterate this,
17:20and I emphasize it,
17:22because it is really against the rules.
17:24Well, thank you very much.
17:26And well, we also welcome you,
17:28Miguel, who will be
17:30at 22 with Pablo Rossi,
17:32here in A24 too.
17:34So we thank you for this little while
17:36and we will surely enjoy it.
17:38A great professional, Miguel.
17:40There we would be with all happiness.
17:42Thank you very much.