📣 LA PALABRA DE ALEJANDRO CIPOLLA, EL ABOGADO DE MORE RIAL
"No conozco a otros detenidos".
"Ella es mi mejor amiga y está desbordada".
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"No conozco a otros detenidos".
"Ella es mi mejor amiga y está desbordada".
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00:00Let's go back to the phone. From San Telmo, we have Dr. Alejandro Chipola with us.
00:03How are you, doctor? Thank you for attending us.
00:06Yes, yes, here is Marina, Alejandro Chipola.
00:09Listen to them to get all the doubts out.
00:12How are you, Dr. Chipola? Well, first of all, how did you see More?
00:15I understand that he was... I don't know if he was there for a long time or if he went and came back.
00:19But give us a general overview of how she is.
00:22I was... How are you all? Good afternoon.
00:26I was with her for about an hour.
00:31I saw her devastated. I tried to comfort her and she got a little better.
00:35Then I asked her to film me a video of her son to show him that she was fine.
00:41Because her concern was how the baby was.
00:43She was desperate, that's why she didn't stop crying.
00:46That was able to calm her down.
00:49And well, now she is waiting to really know what is in the accusation,
00:53what is the proof and what is going to be imputed on her, right?
00:56Alejandro, good afternoon. Tatiana Shapiro greets you. How are you?
01:01Regarding the baby, we were just discussing here.
01:04Of course, many people are very angry that a mother commits a crime
01:08or that certain images are seen regarding the previous episode,
01:12which we already talked about, involving a baby.
01:16At the same time, there is a law in Argentina that says that
01:20private women of freedom have the right to comply with sentences
01:25up to the age of four with their children.
01:28I understand that you are going to ask immediately
01:31that she can wait for the process at home or in a domestic prison.
01:36But if today the grandfather would like to take the baby to see Morena,
01:41can she have contact with you thinking about the baby, not about Morena?
01:47Yes, it is already something that we talked about
01:50and we are not going to wait for the domestic arrest to be decided
01:53and the imprisonment that I am going to ask tomorrow to the two institutes,
01:56expecting that they tell me that the imprisonment is not true
02:00and to gain time.
02:02Is that going to be declared in the inquiry?
02:04I don't know.
02:05According to what I see in the file tomorrow,
02:07so far they have not linked it to me by the Public Prosecutor's Office.
02:11They called me twice and it didn't happen.
02:14So tomorrow I will be aware of everything, right?
02:17Alejandro, beyond the concrete evidence that is in the file,
02:22I imagine that you have knowledge of the sequence of events
02:26as the press told them, as we told them,
02:29of what would have happened, of what happened that January 18.
02:32Did you have the opportunity to ask him
02:35what he was doing in the corner of a house
02:37where they were stealing in San Isidro?
02:39I understand that she does not live in San Isidro
02:41and that later the two delinquents,
02:43the two who were in the house, get into his car.
02:45Did you have the opportunity to ask him,
02:47even informally, without knowing the file,
02:49as you clarified it yesterday?
02:51Or what was he doing that night in that corner?
02:53No, I didn't ask him because the reality
02:55is what is in the file,
02:57what I'm going to be interested in now.
02:59And now to load her with questions,
03:01an interrogation that doesn't make sense,
03:03I didn't see it necessary.
03:05He didn't even want to explain to you
03:07what he was doing that Saturday night.
03:09No, I didn't ask for explanations
03:11until I saw the file.
03:13I didn't see it necessary.
03:15I opted for her mental health
03:17and tried to console her.
03:19The reality is that tomorrow
03:21we are going to be debating on that topic
03:23and I will be formulating the right questions.
03:25Today I just called to calm her down
03:27because I found a person totally overwhelmed
03:29and her psyche,
03:31I tried to protect her to the maximum.
03:33That's why I tried to divert the topic
03:35just so she could be calm.
03:38That's why I got videos
03:40from Amadeo
03:42and I stayed talking
03:44about any other question.
03:46There are times when
03:48trying to interrogate
03:50a person when she is overwhelmed
03:52the reality is that it doesn't make sense.
03:54It is to load someone more
03:56when it would be to make assumptions.
03:58She knows that the baby is with Jorge
04:00and she agrees with this.
04:02Alejandro knows it and agrees.
04:04Yes, she agrees.
04:06I told her everything.
04:08Morena knows everything.
04:10Alejandro, you are talking about mental health,
04:12you mentioned the psyche,
04:14the overwhelming.
04:16How is Morena Rial?
04:18It is an extra-judicial question.
04:20It is a personal or human question.
04:22What do you see when you see her in general?
04:24Who is Morena Rial for you?
04:26For me she is a very important person.
04:28She is my best friend.
04:30She is the mother of my son.
04:32With me she is
04:34always the most important.
04:36I can't tell you anything else.
04:38From any other field
04:40I can tell you that she is a person
04:42capable of
04:44having problems with her mother
04:46and then
04:48with her partners.
04:50She can mark her a little
04:52and she is a person
04:54that sometimes
04:56I had convinced her to come to live here
04:58to be closer to her.
05:00She can be manipulable
05:02or sometimes incredulous.
05:04And these situations
05:06of incredulity
05:08because there are questions
05:10that I am not going to tell
05:12but she calls me to tell me
05:14that this person told me this
05:16that is what leads me to reason
05:18the incredulity of her
05:20or the innocence.
05:22I don't understand where you are going
05:24with this idea that she is naive
05:26or influential.
05:28I am giving you
05:30what I was asked
05:32a human opinion from Morena
05:34I am just answering that.
05:36You say she has bad companies
05:38that exert a bad influence on her
05:40you are more or less in the line of Rial.
05:42She said something else
05:44that someone could have manipulated her
05:46someone could have told her
05:48do me the leg with this
05:50and she who is a fool in this
05:52ended up getting into a serious problem.
05:54Of course, she is a responsible adult
05:56she is 25 years old
05:59I am not taking away
06:01responsibility
06:03First, I am not attributing
06:05responsibility
06:07because for now we are at the beginning
06:09of a file that we do not know the result
06:11that is, tomorrow ends
06:13with an apology
06:15and they will all go out to apologize
06:17to those who made the hypothesis
06:19that's why I try to explain
06:21that the principle of innocence
06:23must prevail
06:25and that for now we have a part
06:27that filters the video of Morena
06:29getting out of a car
06:31and not when these guys
06:33enter the vehicle
06:35to see what attitude they had
06:37when they entered the vehicle
06:39or what they were carrying in their hands
06:41What do you say?
06:43That it can be a kind of bed
06:45that there is a persecution against her?
06:47I'm trying to interpret
06:49I have to do an analysis
06:51of what I see
06:53because for now I am not linked
06:55Dr. Chipolla, a question
06:57from Alessandro
06:59A question
07:01Are you thinking
07:03of a full reparation?
07:05Because if the father says
07:07he has already apologized
07:09to the victims to his father
07:11clearly Morena
07:13will think the same
07:15she was not actively
07:17although the participation
07:19is a serious participation
07:21but she was not in the place of the fact
07:23until there is some confusion
07:25I can opt for one
07:27there are a lot of institutes
07:29that I can use
07:31while the tomorrow is resolved
07:33I can ask the ORAC
07:35I can call
07:37the alleged victims
07:39to make a pecuniary offer
07:41regarding the person of Morena
07:43not of the others
07:45and solve it because the legal figure
07:47allows it
07:49as a result of the modification of the criminal code
07:51You just said
07:53that you have a very good relationship with Morena
07:55Do you know the other detainees?
07:57The one who is a fugitive?
07:59No, I don't know them
08:01Did she tell you at some point
08:03because I understand that the 22 are the same rights
08:05Did she tell you who they are?
08:07No, because when she was arrested
08:09all those people
08:11I said get out of your life
08:13they don't add anything to you
08:15I started studying
08:17but those people
08:20I didn't know them
08:22Let's remember that the fact
08:24that she is arrested
08:26is prior to the fact
08:28that she made public
08:30the 22-23 of January
08:32When I meet Morena
08:34I don't come with that person
08:36I don't get together
08:38I'm not a criminal lawyer
08:40I don't do my personal life
08:42with people
08:44who are not of my trust
08:46Mr. Chipola
08:48Chipola, good afternoon
08:50I was listening to you
08:52and there is something
08:54that didn't close
08:56I think that
08:58the overflow of Morena Rial
09:00doesn't coincide
09:02because of her son
09:04after it was known
09:06that he was in prison
09:08with the action that he had
09:10because at the moment
09:12that she was acting
09:14that she was doing
09:16because for me
09:18unconsciously
09:20I don't know
09:22it doesn't coincide
09:24she was overflowing
09:26because she was in the dungeon
09:28as we say in my country
09:30or she was overflowing
09:32because of her son
09:34I didn't understand
09:36I found her
09:38in the police station
09:40overflowing because of the situation
09:42not because of the son
09:44I am very responsible for what she did