On this episode of Scran we are banishing thoughts of dry January and focusing on two of Rosalind's favourite topics - music and booze.
Rosalind is joined by Dougie Payne from Travis to talk about his recent beer collaboration marking their new album L.A.Times. 'Raze the bar' was created with Signature Brew and Dougie tells Rosalind about how the beer came about and how it is inspired by music from the album. Founder of Signature Brew Sam McGregor also joins the podcast to talk about the project, as does Felipe Schrieberg of The Rhythm and Booze project. Felipe and the other guests consider how music and drinks combine perfectly and the challenges faced by both industries.
Rosalind is joined by Dougie Payne from Travis to talk about his recent beer collaboration marking their new album L.A.Times. 'Raze the bar' was created with Signature Brew and Dougie tells Rosalind about how the beer came about and how it is inspired by music from the album. Founder of Signature Brew Sam McGregor also joins the podcast to talk about the project, as does Felipe Schrieberg of The Rhythm and Booze project. Felipe and the other guests consider how music and drinks combine perfectly and the challenges faced by both industries.
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00:00Hello everyone and welcome to Scran. On this episode I'm finding out about
00:06pairing drinks and music with guest Dougie Payne from Travis, Sam McGregor
00:10founder of brewery Signature Brew and Philippe Scheiberg of the Rhythm and
00:14Booze Project. Hello everyone, we are done with dry January so on to two of my
00:19favourite things, music, beer and spirits. How is everyone?
00:23Good thanks, how you doing?
00:26Good yeah, we're all good.
00:28I'm very good thank you, thanks for asking.
00:31Yeah Roz thanks so much for having us on, just excited to chat about how the
00:37different ways in which beautiful booze and lovely music can come together really.
00:41Yeah I mean it's been a long winter and Christmas is a distant memory and if
00:47anyone has done dry January they'll be absolutely dying for a drink so this is
00:50a great place to start. So Dougie I'll begin with you, Travis are back
00:56with a new album and you've partnered with the likes of Springbank and
01:00Campbeltown and Signature Brew and so can you tell us how and why these
01:04collaborations came about?
01:06Yeah it's kind of interesting there's a song in the new record, the
01:10record's called LA Times and there's a song in the new record called Raise the
01:15Bar which is about a real bar in New York which didn't have a name it was
01:21everyone called it black and white because it was that was the awning was
01:25black and white and our friend Johnny T had this bar and during Covid it was
01:31it was the best bar it was amazing it was like all the bands that passed
01:35through New York hung out there we filmed a video in there once it was just
01:39everyone was super cool the drinks were great cheap nobody cared who you were
01:44what band you were in it was just a great place to hang out and during Covid
01:49the landlord decided he just was hiking up the prices and they had to they had
01:55to move out so what they did was they took a truck to the bar emptied every
02:02because it was beautiful and they emptied every fitting every fixture the
02:06bar itself the beer taps everything they took it out put it in this truck and
02:12just drove it to a storage it's it's this bar is in storage somewhere and so
02:18the landlord couldn't just take it and sell it on as a going concern or whatever
02:22so we loved that place and the song Raise the Bar is a kind of
02:32imaginary last night in that bar because we never got to say goodbye to it and so
02:38there's a line in it Johnny and Jack are drinking whiskey and beer and so we I
02:44know all the characters in the in the song are real people and so when the
02:50opportunity or the idea came about about why don't we make a have a whiskey and
02:55have a beer and so the Springbank people up in Campbelltown came to Glasgow and
03:02we did a tasting with those guys and they were really enthusiastic about
03:06doing this limited one I think it was one cask or two casks there's something
03:10like 280 bottles extremely limited I think we got we got one each put it that
03:16way and and so that came about and and Sam our manager had seen the signature
03:23guys and their collaborations with musicians and thought that it would be
03:28great to have our own whiskey and beer and so we ended up going to the brewery
03:33down in London and met the guys down there and were so impressed with their
03:39knowledge and their enthusiasm and and it just seemed like a really good
03:45marriage so we have got our own whiskey and our own beer now.
03:48Have you tried both to the song? Have you sat and listened to it and had your sort of half and half?
03:53Do you know what? I haven't actually done it to the song but I have I've had a beer on stage kind of before
04:02playing before playing the song but it's it's it's a lovely thing you know it's
04:08it's just a nice kind of tie in the whole thing just ties in really nicely.
04:13And Sam that brings me to you so you've created this beer and can you just sort of go back and tell us a bit about your
04:19your business and how you do what you do?
04:22Yeah sure yeah of course and yeah basically set up Signature Brew in 2011 with my cousin he's he's a brewer and I'm a pretty I've been told to stop saying this but I'm pretty average musician.
04:36I could be the worst trombonist on this podcast but we're not we're not sure but let's go with that and I basically was touring musician and I worked in the music industry and just got tired of drinking terrible beers at gigs which I think is still you know 13 years along is still a problem.
04:53So we thought how can we fix this problem? We'll make a beer with some musicians and that will solve the problem.
05:00They'll have to sell it at the venues we can sell it to their fans. We were super passionate about beer and we wanted to bring it into the into you know where live music was happening.
05:09So so we did that and and since then we've we've worked with more musicians and bands than any other beer company in the world.
05:17And you know we've been come known for that so lots of different bands I'm sitting in a room now with all different pitches of bands that we've worked with from the Libertines, the Rifles, Subways.
05:29I'm just reading out the posters I can see really but Enda Shikari and Professor Green loads although I'm trying to think of some of the other ones but yeah loads Mogwai if we're talking about Scottish people.
05:41But yeah and when we kind of got the call from Travis and they said that they wanted to come and visit us we were you know we were well up for it.
05:48And the thing that Dougie's just described they're some of the best ones where it's got a real story and a real narrative and a real thing that the fans can understand about why it's happened.
05:59You know why we've gone to all this effort to create a beer with a musician or a band and brought that to the fans and we you know we believe that we're making beer that makes music better.
06:10So when you the thing that you we should all do now we should all go and listen to Raise the Bar and get a Raise the Bar from your local beer supplier or our website or whatever.
06:23Get hold of the Travis whiskey if you can.
06:27So that's that's kind of why Signature Brew exists.
06:29And yeah so we've done it loads and loads of times and we we sell we sell our own beers as well.
06:34So we've got our own beers, roadie IPA, backstage IPA all kind of themed and inspired by music.
06:40But the collab collaborations are what kind of sets us apart and the thing that we've been doing for a long time.
06:45So I think that that answer your question.
06:47I just want to hold that for a little bit.
06:50No it's great. And do the different bands have different requirements for the beer.
06:54So they have something in mind that they want or is it all influenced by the music.
06:59Do you listen and think that's quite a hoppy IPA or that's more a stout or what is it.
07:03What's the process behind it.
07:05The process it can vary dramatically.
07:08So when we work with different artists they've all got kind of different ideas.
07:13Sometimes they come with a fully formed idea ready.
07:16Sometimes we just sit in a room and have a bunch of different beers with with the entire band and we talk it out.
07:22So it can go down very narrow rabbit holes and get a bit unusual or it can be kind of OK.
07:30This is the concept. This is what we're thinking for the song or whatever it's inspired by.
07:34And then we can build a recipe around that.
07:36So we'll involve the brewers we'll do test batches.
07:39We've got a small pilot kit we can make a few hundred liters at a time and we'll do that.
07:44And we can it can be as long or as short process as we want.
07:48But the thing for us is it's all they've all the artists have always got to be involved like it's got to be real.
07:54And I think that that's that's what really comes across.
07:57And when we can have these type of conversations where you know I'm super confident that you know I could hand this beer to a Travis fan and tell them that story and they know they know that it's real.
08:09So. So yeah the process. But it's always fun. I guess that's the that's the that's the sometimes it's a long time but it's it's always fun.
08:18And did you guys know what kind of beer you wanted.
08:22Yeah. Yeah. We also ties into not just the new record but way back in our history which is why I think it's quite a good kind of story the whole thing.
08:33But we used to rehearse above the legendary Horseshoe Bar in Glasgow.
08:38We had Neil work there and there was a room just a vacant room that had been a recording studio two floors up above where you do the karaoke.
08:48And and so Neil got through a bit of a blag managed to get to use that room for nothing.
08:55And so we would go climb the stairs you know logger ramps up and whatever and just go rehearse and try and get good.
09:01It was always very hot very sweaty just kind of in this little room.
09:06And when we'd done by this point apart from Neil we were all just signing on you know and we were a bit skinned.
09:13So we'd go down to the bar and sometimes if we were feeling flush we'd get a pint and sometimes we'd even get one each.
09:23And it was always tenants. It was always a pint of tenants.
09:27And I still I know Sam you probably disagree but I still love a pint of tenants.
09:33I think if it was I think if it was like in Italy we'd price it up and sell it like it was Moretti or something.
09:40But I think it's a great and a cold clean pint of tenants is was just at that point the best thing in the world.
09:47And so we kind of wanted to take that idea what that was like and what it felt like after a kind of hard hard evenings rehearsal get that.
09:58But the guys at Signature Brewing Sam just made it.
10:01They elevated the elevated that idea and they introduced other flavor profiles like there's a citrus kind of just a little bit of citrus in the back back of the tongue.
10:12And it's and it's delicious. It's delicious and it does exactly what we all kind of wanted it to do.
10:19It's redolent of that experience but also it feels contemporary and it feels a bit more modern.
10:26Philippe I'll come to you. You're no stranger of drinks and music with your Rhythm and Booze project.
10:31So can you tell us a little bit about that.
10:34Sure. So I have a smile on my face because everything you guys are talking about it's exactly the kind of stuff that we think about and I've been thinking about for years.
10:45So I wear two hats on the music and booze front.
10:49The first is the actual band which is the Rhythm and Booze project.
10:53And that's a two piece with me playing lap steel guitar and singing and my drummer slash business partner as these things have to go these days.
11:01And so we started out with simply being you know two guys that have played together for a long time who loved whiskey and we had the genius idea in 2012.
11:11Now why don't we go out to Isla one of the world capitals of whiskey and just do a little tour of the island and play in pubs and hotels and bars.
11:19And we don't want money. We want food. We want a bed and we want whiskey.
11:23And so we go out there and one of the gigs we do in this very dodgy hotel that has since closed down or gotten remodeled.
11:30This rather merry lady comes up to us and she goes boys I like you.
11:35I'm the distillery manager of Lagavulin and you're coming into my office tomorrow and I'm going to destroy you.
11:41We're just like you're the distillery manager of Lagavulin.
11:44You are in no fit state to be the distillery manager of Lagavulin.
11:48No way. But we love Lagavulin.
11:51So we went in the next day and yeah Georgie Crawford a legend in the industry was indeed the distillery manager of Lagavulin.
12:00And she just she locks the door to her office takes no calls starts out with three fingers worth of new make spirit.
12:07And we go from there and proceeds to as she had promised destroy us.
12:12During that session she says hey you boys should play the face shield.
12:17And we're like the what what.
12:19And it turns out there is a whiskey festival that lasts over a week every year.
12:24So thanks to Georgie we started playing the face as a two piece.
12:28Our first festival was in 2013.
12:30We've been going every year since and playing there at a bunch.
12:33We've played almost all the distilleries by this point on all kinds of little things there.
12:37And over the course of those gigs after a few years of doing that we were thinking well hang on.
12:42These are some of the best gigs we've ever done.
12:44Why don't we do this the rest of the year.
12:46So we started putting together what we call our kind of our music and whiskey nights.
12:51So it started out with what we call half gigs half tastings half house parties.
12:57We get eight to 10 whiskeys.
13:00People pay for a ticket.
13:01They get to drink all the whiskeys.
13:03We're laying down some music chatting about the whiskeys.
13:06It's small and it's intimate.
13:07And the idea is everybody gets to chat to each other.
13:09Everybody gets a chance to talk to us if they want to find out more about the whiskeys.
13:13And we're just laying down some fun tunes because blues and whiskey goes very well together.
13:17So off the back of that we started looking at different ways in which we can expand that spirits and music idea.
13:25So we built a bass drum out of an entire cask of Lagavulin.
13:28That project did pre-pandemic.
13:30And that was a lot of fun.
13:31We believe that we've not checked too hard.
13:34It was the first ever bass drum built out of an entire cask of Scotch whiskey.
13:39We stretched goat skin over either side of the drum.
13:43So that was cool.
13:44So that was one way that we could try and experiment with that.
13:46And then we also have a theater show now that we do at the Edinburgh Fringe every year where it's like an edutainment show of where we're playing blues tunes.
13:54But we're also talking about whiskey and we're serving whiskey during the show.
13:57So this last year we did 34 shows in 17 nights and sold out pretty much every ticket because people see good value.
14:06Because in the Fringe you don't know anymore if it's going to be good when you pay 15 quid for a ticket.
14:10You see our listing and you think, well, it might not be good, but they're serving whiskey.
14:15So I'm probably going to get my money's worth.
14:16But we've done well off of that.
14:18And we've toured that show a little bit as well.
14:21Done stuff with distilleries and whiskey festivals.
14:24Off the back of that, that leads into the second bit, which is Rhythm & Booze Records.
14:28And that is our hybrid record label and independent bottler where we so far we have just two releases of our own music.
14:37We have a whiskey and we have a rum.
14:39We have original music that we have paired with each release we've done.
14:44The idea is that the music goes with the spirit.
14:47The spirit goes with the music.
14:48The music we have on that bottle is not available online.
14:51It is exclusive to the bottle.
14:52Spotify, as these gentlemen will know, is a piece of garbage.
14:56We are not interested.
14:57So the idea is that by scanning a QR code on the bottle, that takes you to a private link that takes you to the music exclusive to the bottle.
15:05The whiskey we paired with our blues duo.
15:07And so with the blues duo, you've got this root C stripped down sound.
15:11And we have a single sherry cask blended malt with that.
15:14And the idea is you've got something that's fruity, a bit leathery, though, a little bit smoky because there's a little bit of peat in that blend.
15:20It's a blended malt single cask.
15:21Go figure.
15:23So the idea is that that profile goes very well with that sound.
15:27And then with my drummer slash business partner that I just mentioned, we also have a Latin pop quartet where I sing original songs in Spanish.
15:34We barely ever gig, but we wanted to record the project because we were quite proud of it.
15:40And so we we recorded it in a very lovely studio up in Granton, and we put that on a four year old rum that when we tried it, we loved it because that four year old rum.
15:52If you were to try it blind and if I was to tell you it was a 30 year old grain whiskey, you'd believe me.
15:58So that's so those are the guinea pigs.
16:01We tried it with our own music to see if the concept works.
16:04It seems to work.
16:05So then next year, we're now starting to work with other bands that we can bring into play with spirits that we're sourcing.
16:13We are hoping in a few months to release the first whiskey that isn't featuring our music.
16:19We want to try and expand the concept and bring in other bands.
16:22My ultimate dream, once we scale up into a larger sort of business, is to blend to the music.
16:28I'd love to blend a whiskey to the music that we bring in from bands that we admire and want to work with.
16:35So that's two different music whiskey hats that I wear with apologies for rambling a little bit.
16:43I can just imagine you dancing about while blending stuff.
16:48Have you ever played any breweries? Can I book you?
16:51Oh, man. Done.
16:55Yeah, we've played. No, we've not.
16:59Just because we've never we've kept it at whiskey, really in spirits.
17:02We flirted with rum. But yeah, no, I think I think.
17:07Well, as as you guys, I'm sure will agree with me.
17:10I think in terms of how culture and music can fit into drinks, we're at the tip of the iceberg.
17:16And most of what's been done around this has tended to be gimmicky, in my opinion, with some exceptions.
17:22What you guys are doing is brilliant and absolutely is the way forward.
17:27But we're at the tip of the iceberg in terms.
17:29Well, we can get into this later because I'm I'm an egotistical American, so I can start to ramble a little bit.
17:37The opportunities, especially with whiskey in particular, where the sales have been really bad and where people have found this whole premiumization thing quite off-putting.
17:48I think the solution is culture and the arts.
17:51And there's such an opportunity there that brands are not getting and not grabbing.
17:57And so, yeah, I think this is an important thing to be able to do.
18:02And in doing so, you're helping support the arts, which are getting so starved across the board as well.
18:09I think a lot of the music and drinks marketing in the past has been gimmicky, crass.
18:20I probably shouldn't go on to a national podcast and start naming major brands, but I think big brands thought they could buy it.
18:31And I think the reason that they get it wrong is it's hard, it's complicated, it's culture.
18:36And you have to have a level of understanding of it to be able for it to work.
18:40But, yeah, I agree. I think the sort of end result of that is over time, people are used to it being Reading and Leeds sponsored by Carling.
18:50And that's what they're used to.
18:52So when it starts to be a bit more nuanced and interesting, it kind of can confuse some people.
18:57So, you know, an outline of somebody playing drums and your beer brand, it just isn't enough.
19:05So, yeah, I mean, all that stuff sounds really, we should definitely chat.
19:10Are you in Scotland?
19:12I live in the north of Poland.
19:15Oh, that was my next guess.
19:19Can't you tell? Good, sir.
19:21Yeah, so I lived in Scotland for 11 years.
19:25I lived longer in Scotland than I ever did in the US, actually.
19:28And then I was in London for a few years before we moved out here.
19:31My partner's Polish.
19:32That's why most foreigners move to Poland.
19:35But all my work is in the UK.
19:37So next week I'm traveling to London because we're doing a Burns Night, a Burns Night special, Burns Poetry, Blues and Whiskey.
19:46Yeah, well, where's that?
19:49Oh, in Bermondsey. Are you based in London?
19:52Yeah, yeah, I live in London and the brewery's in London.
19:55Well, good to meet you.
19:58So we've had a successful team.
20:02You might have this might be the next collaboration.
20:04You heard it here first.
20:06Well, Rob, I apologize for turning the podcast into a networking session.
20:11No, no, it's fine.
20:15I understand what you're saying about the big festival sponsored by Carling, but I think I'm not the only one here who would say I really miss seeing the park.
20:25Talking about tennis.
20:28Wish they'd bring it back.
20:30Fingers crossed, maybe.
20:31That is the flip side of it, is that these big companies have got enormous amounts of money and they've propped up lots of this music stuff just by sheer money.
20:40So, you know, it can't all be, it's not all bad.
20:44But yeah, marketing wise, I think it can be pretty straightforward.
20:48Do you have a sort of favorite music and drink pairing that is not your own?
20:53I mean, I do.
20:55I do like listening to jazz and whiskey and I don't do it enough.
21:01But yeah, I think for me, like session IPAs and punk rock is probably my road most traveled for me personally.
21:11Diggie?
21:12I can't.
21:14I mean, this is not beer or whiskey related, but I can't resist listening to a Scott Walker album.
21:23Probably Scott 2 or Scott 3 with a really good bottle of red.
21:28Can't resist it.
21:30It's a dream combination.
21:32And Felipe?
21:35I mean, I'm going to go with the stereotype.
21:41I mean, blues and whiskey is a classic for a reason.
21:45And there's a reason there's been so many blues songs written about whiskey and also similarly whiskey inspiring many incredible blues songs as well.
21:54There's some amazing stories there.
21:56But yeah, like classic.
21:58I mean, I'm a blues guy, but chess records for me is chess records, blues from the 50s, 60s.
22:04That to me is the holy grail.
22:06You put that on with a good sort of creamy bourbon profile whiskey or on the flip side, something intensely smoky.
22:13It'll work 100 percent of the time.
22:17And this whole, what we're talking about basically, really good quality drinks with music and people really taking time to listen, whether that's at home or enjoying a really good drink while at a gig.
22:28Do you think it sort of talks to the wider trend of, you know, like listening bars in Europe and people just maybe taking a bit more time to like have an experience and enjoy themselves rather than be on their phone or like rushing about?
22:41Felipe, over to you.
22:44Yes.
22:49I think it's that the biggest shift we've seen with music, in my opinion, is through social media and streaming.
22:58Music has now become, to a big extent, consumed almost as a soundtrack, as background music to a large extent.
23:07That's the default mode of listening to it.
23:10Now, the top end songs or so many of the big songs, the reason they find success is because of their use as TikTok songs.
23:20So that's the general trend that we've seen happen as streaming has helped shape the ecosystem of how we listen today.
23:31So where before, if you consider the romantic side of what it used to be, it used to be that, you know, you buy a record and my God, you treasured that record.
23:41And when you put it on, when you put the vinyl on, that's a ritual.
23:45It might be a simple ritual, but it's a valuable ritual that you value.
23:49So there's intrinsic value in everything that was everything do with listening and appreciating music that I think to a big extent is gone for mostly for worse, to some degree for better.
24:03But there's many different roads you can go down there and discussing that.
24:07So then because of that, you do then see the flip side of that people that want to be able to create the space through which you can appreciate something and be in the moment for it and feel the presence and be present in that moment where so often the ability to be present is just simply denied to us through how our lives are structured these days.
24:30Right. So, yes, that's the long way of saying yes to you.
24:35And Dougie, what about you? You guys have been around for quite a long time. I had your first CD 20 odd years, which is probably making us both feel really old.
24:47Have you seen that in terms of just how people consume music has changed over the years?
24:52Yeah, I mean, what Felipe is saying is completely correct. It is a much more disposable and, you know, short lived experience now listening to music when actually your arms are this length so that you can carry a record under it.
25:11You know, this is this is the point. It's I think the technology and music have always had a very symbiotic relationship, you know, and technology affects music. Music can affect technology.
25:28But I think what's happened recently and maybe over the last, you know, it's only 10 years or so since the streaming kind of thing has taken over, has fundamentally systemically changed people's relationship with music.
25:44And I think what you're talking about, what you guys are all talking about, about having an immersive experience in the moment of listening to an album, my God, you know, imagine sitting and listening for 40 minutes instead of 30 seconds.
26:01That's what music's for. The album is a perfect art form. It's perfect art form. It's perfect length. It's your physical relationship with it. You're putting the needle up. The whole thing is an immersive experience. And I feel like it is a shame that that is kind of dissipating.
26:23There are rays of light and rays of hope. My kids, they are buying records. They're keen on actually having turntables in their rooms. And, you know, but I don't know whether that's just because they're surrounded by my vinyl and they're like, oh, that's what you do. So, but, you know, the volume of music out there and the fact that everybody can make their own music and everybody's got a studio in their house, basically, that's fantastic. That's great.
26:48That gives an amazing opportunity to people with talent, but maybe not kind of other opportunities to put their music out there. The downside of that is that there's just such a vast amount of music that it's almost impossible to start digging and trying to find the good stuff. You know, it's like mining for a diamond in a mountain, you know.
27:10And so it's, as with all things, it's a double edged sword. But I do think that this kind of conversation about the relationship between, you know, another sensory experience, whether it's having a glass of wine or a glass of whiskey or beer, whatever, with music, that assists you in being in the moment.
27:34And if you're in that moment, then you want it to be quality. You know, you want to be having a quality experience. You don't want to be drinking, mention no names, you know, you want to be drinking something that is delicious and enhances that moment, enhances your experience.
27:51Yeah, exactly. And we can't talk drinks and music without talking about festivals. You guys are going on what looks quite a gruelling tour. Will you be doing the festival circuit this summer?
28:02We have been touring kind of extensively the last year. And we've got a month in the States coming up, we're going Sunday. And then after that, we've got a little kind of time and then festivals start kind of late spring, early summer. So as I say, the shows are never gruelling, it's the travel.
28:27Oh, no, I can imagine. Yeah. And Sam and Flippy, do you guys have any interesting releases or news for the next sort of few months that you can tell us about?
28:38We're still in the campaign for Raise the Bar. So I would encourage anyone to go and go onto our website and try and grab some there or request it at your local bar. And if you're in Scotland, we're about to kind of launch into Scotland this year. So Scotland's got such an awesome music scene.
28:59So from like the Hug and Pint, Barrowlands. I did my best ever reverse parallel park outside King Tut's when we played there. Like in an ex-Royal Mail van. I was so proud of myself. I had one of the first ever like craft fairs when I played at Tunnels in Aberdeen. I think it might be gone now.
29:22But yeah, you can you can sort of see the ships from if you like crouch down on the stage, you could see out the back of the bar into the into the harbour. And then they let us buy the beers for half price in there. It was crazy. I've tried all the different beers. That was probably more than 20 years ago. Anyway, that's not what you're asking.
29:41And I got got a little bit addicted to it over Christmas. But yeah, I still haven't. I still haven't. I haven't. I haven't. I haven't. I haven't. I haven't. I haven't. I haven't. I haven't. I haven't. I haven't. I haven't. I haven't. I haven't. I haven't. I haven't. I haven't. I haven't. I haven't. I haven't. I haven't. I haven't. I haven't. I haven't. I haven't. I haven't. I haven't. I haven't. I haven't. I haven't. I haven't. I haven't. I haven't. I haven't. I haven't. I haven't. I haven't. I haven't. I haven't. I haven't. I haven't. I haven't. I haven't. I haven't. I haven't. I haven't. I haven't. I haven't. I haven't. I haven't
30:11actually been to a Travis show and drank the beer. Yeah, I know that some of the other guys at the work have so that's that's awesome. I'll have to come to the American shows.
30:22Yeah, or smuggle into one of the festivals. Oh, yeah. It's Glastonbury. You don't really have to smuggle it. So that's good. And Philippe, what are you up to you back in Scotland anytime soon?
30:37Um, soon ish, we'll be up there in March. But nothing that I can yet that I can talk about yet. Though we'll have we'll have a few things coming up throughout the year. So I mean, we're playing in London. Oh, by the time this goes out, we'll have already played the show. So we will have played three amazing shows in London. But, um, we will be releasing that new whiskey. Um, so that will be coming out in a few months, though, as it is with the
31:06whiskey. You don't quite know once you have to get once you go and I'm sure it's the same with beer, things that you think will go to a certain timeline never go to the timeline you expect, and they'll be held up by details that you did not think would be a problem. This is my experience so far as a bottler, and I have no doubt it'll happen again here. So I don't want to put a date on when we're going to put this new whiskey of ours out, but it will come out in the next few months. And then yeah, beyond that, there'll be things you can follow us on social media to find out what we've got, but probably
31:36not getting more into high gear until May onwards on our end, as both bottlers and a band. Yeah.
31:42Well, thank you very much, guys. It's been great to see and speak to you. I'm looking forward to
31:47trying out the beer and eventually some more whiskeys with me. And if anyone ever does want to
31:54let me try the Travis Springbank, I'd be more than happy because it's sold out within about five minutes.
31:59Yeah, double or double that.
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