👉 En Santa Cruz, un grupo de 18 presos participa en un programa piloto que les permite trabajar en la construcción de caminos. Las imágenes muestran a los reclusos, vestidos con mamelucos naranjas, adoquinando el camino de acceso a un camping. El Ministro de Seguridad local, Pedro Prodromos, discute los detalles del programa y cómo podría beneficiar a los presos al reducir sus condenas.
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00:00It's to discuss even at the table.
00:02It's okay to ask the prisoners to work.
00:05Give me images of Santa Cruz.
00:06You're going to see it, Mameluco Naranjas.
00:08You're going to see the initiative.
00:10This is part of a route that is being built
00:13at the entrance to a camping.
00:15Obviously, all the orange ones are the prisoners.
00:18Yes, there are 18.
00:20I understand that it is a kind of pilot test.
00:22They are doing a docking job
00:24on the way to this camping.
00:27Of course, these are high-impact images.
00:30They ask if this can be generalized,
00:33if it can be a kind of first experience
00:36to extend throughout the country.
00:39What is the benefit for the prisoners?
00:42For example, this situation of going to work,
00:45does it help reduce the sentence?
00:47If you want, we can talk to the Minister of Security.
00:49We are in communication with Pedro Prodromos,
00:52who is the Minister of Security of the province of Santa Cruz
00:55and gives us all the details.
00:56How are you doing, Minister?
00:57Thank you for attending us.
00:59Yes, how are you? Good morning.
01:01Good morning to all the audience.
01:03Yes, the truth is that with a lot of work.
01:06Well, right now I'm in the Calafate.
01:08There is a party.
01:09We are in the preventive controls at the entrance.
01:12And the issue of prisoners,
01:13the truth is that for us it is important
01:16that they get to work
01:18to give something back to the community too.
01:20And also that for their mental health,
01:22which is also important,
01:24because being locked up is not easy.
01:26Of course.
01:27The first thing I ask you
01:28is how this initiative was received.
01:30I understand that there are 18 in a first stage,
01:32but they received it well,
01:34with desire, with spirit,
01:35they put up resistance.
01:36How did they handle it?
01:39This is voluntary.
01:41More than being in the period of freedom.
01:43It is voluntary.
01:44The proposal is thrown at the table.
01:46The governor made the decision
01:48and it is very, very important
01:49that Claudio Vidal and Ernesto Cotajante
01:51begin to work and reinsert it in society.
01:54Because we also understand
01:55and we have to look to the future
01:57that these people who are in private freedom
02:00are neighbors of the province of Santa Cruz
02:02and the day they leave,
02:03they have to leave with a profession.
02:05We are not going to leave it to the good of God.
02:07Of course. Minister Facundo Pastor, how are you?
02:09Good afternoon.
02:10Good.
02:11What is the criterion to select
02:13those who can go to work?
02:17Yes.
02:18Yes.
02:19In some cases they are ready to leave
02:21within a year, some two.
02:24Everything is also worked on,
02:26the mental health part, the psychophysical
02:28and good behavior,
02:30which is one of the measures
02:32that each of the members
02:34who is going to work.
02:35Of course. When you say,
02:37you say soon to leave, how soon?
02:40A year, two.
02:42Good.
02:43Minister, in relation to this,
02:45the fact that,
02:46beyond being voluntary,
02:48I imagine that there are several at your disposal,
02:51but I ask you if it also helps the prisoners
02:56to reduce the sentence of time.
03:03Do you copy us, Minister?
03:04Do you hear me, Minister?
03:06Of course.
03:07There it is.
03:08Minister, do you copy us?
03:11It seems not.
03:12Well, let's recognize ...
03:13Yes, in this case, justice evaluates.
03:16Yes?
03:17No, no, perfect.
03:18We listen to the answer, Minister.
03:20Good.
03:22Then, as it is voluntary,
03:24they have to make an individual note,
03:26they present it to justice,
03:28justice evaluates if it is in condition or not,
03:30and from there, well,
03:3418 people are the ones who are working,
03:37and then justice will evaluate
03:40if it deserves to lower the sentence or not,
03:44depending on the crime that it has committed.
03:46Now, and tied to what Leo Paradiso was asking,
03:49is this work remunerated?
03:51Do they charge something for this?
03:53Or is it simply, let's say,
03:55a kind of voluntary service to the community?
04:03It seems to me that we have some problem,
04:05some difficulty in communication.
04:07Now, now ...
04:08It is cut off, I think they are listening to me.
04:10Yes, yes, complete this answer.
04:15Well, I'm sure they will listen to me with delay,
04:17but it's okay.
04:21There is no money in the way of counter-benefits.
04:24They work,
04:25they will be provided with materials and machinery
04:28so that those who cannot leave within the penitentiary service
04:31can work.
04:32We are working in the framework of a cooperative
04:34that is already for the firm.
04:36Everything they create
04:38by their own means within the penitentiary service
04:41can be sold and can be supported
04:44personally, inside, and also to their family.
04:47But with their work,
04:49with the counter-benefit of the machines
04:51that will be delivered to them once the work is finished.
04:53Perfect, Minister Prodromos.
04:55Thank you for this communication, it has been very clear.
04:57And well, it's a good initiative.
05:00A very interesting initiative.
05:02Thank you very much.
05:03They have to work, they don't have to work.
05:05There is a national initiative that is also fulfilled,
05:08I don't know if in all cases,
05:10that many prisoners work voluntarily,
05:13they are paid for that,
05:16and a part is kept by the State
05:18so that when the prisoner is going to be reinstated,
05:21they give him that money, which is called peculio.
05:26We are seeing the image of devotion.
05:28Yes, Fabian, we reconnect with you.
05:30We just saw a hand that greeted,
05:32I don't know if to you or to whom.
05:34Or to Leandro, maybe.
05:36He's Leandro's student, I don't know.
05:38It could be, it could be.
05:40He greets Leo because he sees him with the sports titles.
05:43Or Luis.
05:44I did the Olympic lap on that court.
05:46Really?
05:47Come on, Ventura!
05:48I won the promotion on that court.
05:50He brought you luck then.
05:52I add something about the work and also the victim,
05:55because the Penal Execution Law
05:57establishes that a percentage of the prisoner's work
06:00in a confinement context
06:02is for the victim, depending on what the Penal Execution Law establishes.
06:06If the prisoners don't have work, the victims don't get paid.
06:09There is no reparation for the victims either.
06:11So it's important for both things.
06:13It's important for the influence that resocialization has,
06:16the work in a confinement context,
06:18and it's also important for justice to be complete.
06:21If the prisoner has income,
06:23he will indeed be able to have some savings for when he gets out,
06:26and the victim will also be able to have the economic reparation
06:29that the Penal Execution Law establishes.
06:31Thank you for your contribution.
06:32Did you want to close with something, Leo?
06:33Yes, just this.
06:34Going back to De Voto's closure.
06:36Does it have anything to do with Marcos Paz?
06:38The remodeling of the works that were stopped at some point,
06:41which I think were rescheduled in the last few weeks.
06:44I don't know what the deadline is
06:46to finish the extension of Marcos Paz's sentence,
06:49but I imagine it goes hand in hand with the closure of De Voto's prison,
06:52because that's where most of the prisoners will be transferred.
06:55I am skeptical, and I said it when RETA signed that agreement,
06:58that De Voto was not going to close for me.
07:00I think the same thing now.
07:02If there are 2,300 more prisoners in police stations
07:05and they are making a prison for 1,700,
07:07it is equivalent to the capacity...
07:09But Caseros closed.
07:11Caseros closed.
07:12But they went to the prison of Seiza and Marcos Paz
07:14when Caseros closed.
07:15Now there wouldn't be...
07:16I think it will be closed at some point,
07:18but we have to build prisons,
07:19so we have to decide whether we want to invest or not to close De Voto.
07:22And that's where the other problem begins.
07:24Privacy prisons and where.
07:25Caseros closed, but it didn't fall apart.
07:27It didn't fall apart.
07:28Fabián, let's close from there, from De Voto.
07:32Well, I'll tell you that we took a turn
07:34and we fell into this pavilion,
07:36where you will see that the glass is broken,
07:40so the criminals, the rioters, have access to the outside.
07:44And when we passed through here, we are here.
07:47You see that a little further down
07:49it is totally burned, burnt,
07:52also products of the riots that have taken place in this place.
07:54They started to take out a hand,
07:56one approached, two approached,
07:58to the cry of,
07:59hold on to the crime,
08:00they received us,
08:01and other little things,
08:03well, that you will imagine.
08:05Yes.
08:06That is what the neighborhood lives,
08:07and from there the complaints.
08:08They showed their desire to re-insert themselves.
08:10Yes, very clear.
08:11They showed their desire to re-insert themselves in society.