Ghada Sawalmah, CEO, Gargash Hospital, Rosemin M.Ophenhaffen, Founder, RR & Company, Omnia, Abd Elmoaty, CXO & Co-founder, Kinetics Dubai and Dr. Vandana Gandhi, CEO & Founder, British Orchard Nursery.
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00:00I've been part of this organization for over two decades, and we have had an organization
00:06that has always supported women, and nearly 60% plus women on the newsroom floor.
00:13So that is quite incredible, and I'd like to take the opportunity to thank our CEO for
00:18that, Mr. Abdul Hamid Ahmed.
00:24Coming back to the wonderful panel and the entrepreneurial journey.
00:30Now I'm sure all of us at some point have wanted to be our own boss, and all of these
00:36women have achieved that.
00:38To put it in a simple quote, they walk in the footsteps of giants, but have made their
00:44own mark.
00:46So starting with Ghada Sawalma, you started your entrepreneurial journey at, for lack
00:55of a better word, a very tricky time.
00:58Yes.
00:59Absolutely.
01:00It was a very tricky time.
01:01Yeah.
01:02It was just about people who were getting out of COVID, healthcare industry, setting
01:07up a hospital.
01:08Yeah.
01:09So good evening, everyone.
01:11Thank you very much again to Gulf News and to Bing Xi for having us over here today.
01:16We're very proud to be sponsors of such a prestigious event.
01:20So actually, we started off with COVID, not after.
01:24So yeah, it was quite an interesting time.
01:26Our soft launch was in 2019 to just check out the building, and we had beautiful floods
01:32during the rainy season.
01:33So we got to fix all of that, and our grand launch was supposed to be in March 2020.
01:38And as everyone remembers, that's when the lockdown occurred.
01:42So we had two options.
01:44Should we close our doors?
01:45Because we didn't have that many staff.
01:46We're at like 40 staff max.
01:49Or should we just full throttle and learn very hard lessons, very fast, very quick.
01:57And that was a decision that was up to me.
01:59And I said, you know what, let's just go ahead and let's see what we could do.
02:03And because of that, the connections that were built between ourselves and other partners
02:09in the healthcare industry, especially Dubai Health Authority and the Ministry of Health,
02:13we were able to make a mark really quick, especially the fact that we were the new
02:17kids on the block.
02:18And with being the first female owned Emirati entity, with a young female CEO in a boys
02:24club, basically mainly a boys club, it was a good way to, you know, assert ourselves.
02:29So I'm very proud of how far we've come during that time.
02:33So that sounds like a remarkable journey.
02:36Coming to Dr. Vandana Gandhi, you come from a family that has had a history in logistics
02:44etc. and you decided to move into education and I believe you have a degree in mathematics.
02:49So how did that happen?
02:52And why did you choose this particular entrepreneurial journey?
02:56Thank you very much.
02:57And of course, thank you to Gulf News and the CEO and all the dignitaries present here,
03:01the women at Gulf News too.
03:03Thank you for remembering all of us.
03:04I think it's an honor to be here.
03:07So I started off, you know, thinking about my family business that's into shipping, logistics,
03:13but amongst three sons and one daughter, which is me, my roots with my father and I'm born
03:19brought up in UAE was it's a very progressive country.
03:23You need to be out there with the boys and it stuck onto my mind.
03:26So I think parenting and encouraging daughters and giving equality along with brothers and
03:31sisters I think it's for all of us to remember.
03:34It creates an impression in the young child's mind.
03:37I did my stint with banking and I grew to be a resident vice president role with Citibank
03:44and we heard the previous panel on glass ceiling, but I do believe that multinationals results
03:49matter and yes, you have to keep hammering people that you have your results, but I do
03:54believe the glass ceilings can be broken.
03:57Having said that, I saw the opportunity in education having two young children and I
04:02did my PhD in education after the mathematics because when you have passion to a point,
04:07you have to change your studies course and then I went for master's and PhD with University
04:11of Birmingham after my banking stint, worked, studied, worked, opened my first nursery in
04:182006.
04:19It's nearly 18 years now and we crossed COVID like what you said, but thanks to the country
04:25and the visionary leadership of UAE, I would like to clap for UAE COVID times again.
04:32It brings back memories of how Dubai opened up to everybody and we were supported and
04:36we really like did well, but that's my story how I started the education, I mean to the
04:41foray.
04:42Okay.
04:43Thank you for that.
04:44Rosamund, you are in a very interesting entrepreneurial exercise from Tom Ford and Gucci to Arar and
04:55Co.
04:56Can you tell us a little more?
04:58Well, first of all, happy International Women's Day to everyone and thank you Gulf News for
05:02putting on such an incredible panel and incredible schedule for today.
05:08I will say Gulf News is the ultimate source for information and news and of course tech
05:14savvy.
05:15I can't live without that app.
05:16Also, when I'm travelling abroad, I think Gulf News always keeps me up to date what's
05:21happening in the UAE and across the globe.
05:23So what an incredible team you guys have.
05:26My entrepreneurial journey, to be honest, is quite interesting.
05:29I always used to say that I was, when my business took off in Dubai, I'd always, and I started
05:37getting these interviews and a little bit of attention of what Arar and Co. was and
05:42I would always say that I was an accidental entrepreneur.
05:45And I had this really pivotal point in my life when I was asked to speak at Parliament
05:51in the UK at the House of Lords and they made me do a five minute speech in a reflective
05:56life in five minutes about how I got to where I was and I realized that my entrepreneurial
06:01journey actually started from a very young age.
06:04My parents were immigrants from East Africa.
06:07My dad was in the UK working, starting his career.
06:11My mom and my sister were born in East Africa, fled with a suitcase each, end up in Canada
06:17and from being a teacher and an accountant, they were all starting from scratch.
06:21So I saw my parents and I saw my mom build the business with my dad and I think that's
06:29when that entrepreneurial hard work, already that mindset had started from seeing my parents
06:35build that.
06:36Fast forward, I go to fashion school in the UK and I had this mindset that going, when
06:43my parents were working so hard to put me for international education and international
06:47tuition, I was working part-time on weekends because I didn't have the heart to tell my
06:52parents it wasn't enough money, that allowance, so I was working in prod on Sloan Street or
06:58Sotheby's or doing things that I love but for extra money and I started realizing that
07:03everywhere I was going, I had this mindset of, I wanna be a sponge, I wanna learn and
07:09while I'm in London, if it's only gonna be three years, I'm gonna learn.
07:12And so again, it's this entrepreneurial mindset of learning, being around mentors, being around
07:17people that were 100 times smarter than me and I work for Tom Ford and that was exciting,
07:24he headhunted me out of university, I have this incredible whirlwind career with him
07:30for five years in Gucci Group and moved to Italy and back and I realized again, my bosses,
07:35as much as I'm working for a company and have this stable paycheck that's coming in, if
07:41you look at who my boss was, he's the one setting the tone, he's the one making the
07:45rules, he's the one creating the company culture, he's the one making these decisions and I
07:52learned more from him than I did in university, I learned about brand management, people management
07:57and so fast forward, I end up in Dubai, I've been traveling here for 20 something years,
08:02I make the move in like 07 and we were building a house and my dad goes, can you just oversee
08:08that project, you know, just keep going to the site on the palm and just keep overseeing
08:12the project and in those three weeks I was there, I saw opportunity that my experience
08:19being in the UK and working for companies like Burberry and Gucci Group and Juicy Couture,
08:24I was like, I can add value to this country and so R&Co ended up being the first luxury
08:31multi-brand showroom in the region, we were an advisory firm, so we had one wing which
08:36is an advisory firm, I started building a team and we had a multi-brand showroom working
08:41with all the luxury brands and then fast forward, kind of ended up in media but I realized that,
08:48you know, this entrepreneurial mindset comes, you learn, everyone's like a sponge and it
08:53just, you can't really predict when it happens but now I am actually an entrepreneur.
08:59Thank you for that. Omnia, a very young entrepreneur in a very interesting industry, tech, which
09:07is still a boys' academy, how do you find your feet there and making a name for yourself
09:16and a mark for yourself?
09:18First of all, happy Women's Day for everyone and I'm very honoured to be here today and
09:24I'm very excited to be one of the youngest leaders in this room, so reflecting on my
09:32journey, tech industry is very challenging, as you said, like most of tech savvy people
09:38are males, so however I see it in another perspective, I see it's an industry filled
09:45of opportunities for women, like product design, digital marketing and because of tech, actually
09:53women can work from home, they can work remotely and they can avoid this stereotyping of women
10:01who has kids, they can't work, now they can work remotely. A lot of my team working remotely
10:08as a mother is in their leaves and so it's, I see tech has a lot of opportunities opening
10:16up and the access to actually platforms and online platforms give the, you know, the world
10:21scale for women to compete internationally. For example, my specialty is UX and UI design,
10:30so if it wasn't tech and internet and all, in the Middle East it wasn't very known, you
10:37know, but because of the internet and the tech, we now can compete on a larger scale,
10:44so as it's a challenge, again, it's an opportunity for women and fortunately in a country like
10:51UAE, we can access all of these opportunities through tech, so I see it not only a challenge
10:59but also an opportunity for women.
11:03Coming back to you, Gada, what would you tell your young self, the one thing that you wish
11:09you had known before you started your entrepreneurial journey?
11:12I would have listened to my mom more. I was always quite rebellious growing up. All my
11:18cousins were boys, as we were discussing earlier on the table. I always wanted to do certain
11:25things that might have been frowned upon to a certain extent. I wanted to be more assertive.
11:31I wanted to break boundaries. You know, I'm from the generation where Dubai, like I was
11:36saying earlier, we had Chicago Beach Hotel, which is now Jumeirah Beach Hotel, and then
11:40just desert, where we would dune bash and go to the beach. Listening to my mom and being
11:47more aware, because she is my mentor. She is the founder of Gargash Hospital. Everything
11:52that I know today, I know from her, and every day I'm learning more from her. Patience,
11:59understanding how to play between the lines without being offensive, getting what you
12:04want without being manipulative, making sure that you can create what you want to create
12:11while still understanding what's the elements around you. All of that, I learned it, to
12:17be honest, from my mother. But the way that she was explaining it was very academic. Being
12:21a doctor herself, she was very, listen, this is how things should occur, and this is how
12:26it should be. But you're very intelligent. I know you'll figure it out. I don't understand
12:30what you mean. Explain more, oh great one. But with the years and with my... I'm a very
12:39extrovert person, and I like to mix with different people. And I started to understand. She meant
12:43start figuring out what's going on around you, not just in a professional or in an educational
12:48avenue, but also in your day to day. Who I was five years ago, I am not the same person
12:54today. And who I was 10 years ago, I'm not the same person today. And I won't be the
12:57same in the next five years. So I feel anticipating that, being excited for that, the good, the
13:03bad, it all cultivates who you are today. And those are things that I definitely learned
13:08from my mom, and I wish I listened to some more tidbits, but that's why I'm always next
13:11to her.
13:13Dr. Gandhi, how important is a team for an entrepreneur?
13:20Oh, I think it's the team that makes it or breaks it. And we, so I think lifelong learning
13:26and having a plan B is what I would have taken if I had the same question. Plan Bs are very
13:32important in life, and especially at work and being an entrepreneur. You don't know
13:36which fish and sharks and crocodiles you're swimming with. So better have a plan B and
13:40two more escape routes. But coming back to your question, the team is something that
13:47we build, and lifelong learning is another answer. Having been at the Harvard School
13:51just last month, going back for case studies, learning, investing in leadership, business
13:56courses with YPO that I am, they said that we entrepreneurs, our only job is to make
14:03teams and keep teams. I said, wow, that was a big revelation for me. So that's what, because
14:09the product line, everything, we are the orchestra, music makers as entrepreneurs, as CEOs, maybe
14:15at a particular point, invest in teams, make them, build them, keep them, change them.
14:21So team is the all and end all for any CEO or any entrepreneur.
14:26And Rosamund, for you, follow up from that question. How do you make sure you build a
14:32good team?
14:33So I started my business out of my dining room when it happened overnight. And I got
14:38a call from a very big luxury brand out of New York, and they were like, we're opening
14:42in the world's largest mall. And, you know, we have the store right in the front, and
14:47we want, we have our CEO coming and the famous yellow diamond, and we want you to do, you
14:51know, the PR and train the staff and this whole thing. And I remember at the end of
14:54the conversation, he goes, what's the name of your company? And I paused and I was like,
14:58and he's like, and this is how much we're paying you. And I was like, you know, I had
15:01this aha moment that I had a company. I remember putting the phone down and going, calling
15:05my lawyer, going, set up this company right away. And at that moment, I remember sitting
15:09in the dining room and I took out a pad of paper and I did a SWOT analysis of myself.
15:15And I think it was the best thing I ever did. It was looking at my strengths, my weaknesses,
15:20my opportunities of where the business was going. And I was brutally honest. I was like,
15:26where is the gap in the market in this country? What experience can I bring? What are my skillset?
15:32And everywhere there was a gap, that's how I started building my team. Because I needed
15:36a team that can execute my vision. I don't need multiples of me. I need literally the
15:42best copywriter. I need the best, you know, IT guy. I need the best accounts team, like,
15:49you know, the best kind of office manager, you know, the best Arabic speaker, copywriter,
15:53like everything I needed to build my company. To me, that was the greatest advice I can
15:58give anyone because you need people that are going to be there to support your vision and
16:03execute it and are experts in their own field. It's like putting a little puzzle together.
16:08Omnia, coming to you.
16:14Ageism.
16:16Well...
16:17Do you face that? And how do you encounter that?
16:24Okay, of course I did. One instance is the fact that I opened my first venture when I
16:34was in grade 8, not even 17 years old. So, it wasn't easy to introduce an idea like drop
16:40shipping in Egypt. Me as a girl and very young, by my own. It was like, what? I got this a
16:48lot of skepticism from suppliers and vendors and as well as customers, actually, because
16:54I was selling to my school and classmates. So, it's like, what? But when I started growing
17:04the venture and transforming it to be on digital, on Instagram, people started trusting me without
17:11knowing my age. So, here you can see that professionalism and actually your work, what
17:19speaks, not your age. So, at this point, I realized, like, I need to, whatever who makes
17:25fun, whatever who's like questioning himself or herself, you just speak by your actually
17:32work, you speak by your persistence and how you actually deal with the ecosystem. But
17:43it was actually very interesting, the fact that I started that early and the moment I
17:50understood that this mindset is there, I didn't stop. It was like, I'm good at this thing,
17:57I shouldn't stop and age, country, whatever, nothing. And it started from there. So, it
18:05was an actual challenge, but this is why I'm here. So, this is how I'm here. But, again,
18:14it's all about how you get raised. It's all about the support you receive from your surroundings,
18:20the support you receive from your parents. This is what push a young entrepreneur to
18:26complete in this competitive ecosystem. In fact, thank you for that, because that was
18:33going to be my next question for all the panelists. Having a working mother, does that
18:41make a difference?
18:42A hundred percent. I mean, they tell you to learn from experience, right? And if someone's
18:49experienced something, you're more likely to believe what they're teaching you. Again,
18:56from a personal experience, my mother being a founder of more than one medical facility,
19:02the hospital is number two, but we had two units before that in Sharjah, and even before
19:08that in Diyafah. So, there was always this, I want to go bigger, I want to move faster,
19:13but building proper concrete base for us to move to the next step, not just jumping and
19:20expanding left, right, and center. When you see how that balance occurs, like sometimes
19:28I look at my mother like, I'm lucky enough today to be able to work in an organization
19:34where I do have time to hang out with my daughter, but my mother being a doctor and a consultant
19:40nonetheless, and a head of department in Dubai Hospital, head of DGFC, before she opened
19:45her own private where she had more time and control over her time, I didn't see her much.
19:51My younger siblings did. I'm the eldest of four. So, seeing that and the fact that she
19:56also recognized that, because we have very candid conversations as we grew through the
20:01years, and she completely understands where I'm having that opportunity, where I can have
20:06that kind of balance, because I'm also learning from her, she's learning from me as well.
20:11This is something I really appreciate, that her age didn't stop her and just tell her
20:15this is how it is. We learn from each other. And from there, I end up having to have that
20:21kind of understanding with my team. You know, like understanding what's going on, like Lubna
20:27Naeem, of course, mentioned this. I find it imperative that it's not just your family,
20:34you have your family, which is your bloodline at home, which you learn from, which you teach,
20:38which so many experiences come from them in different avenues. But at work, you have your
20:42work family. And a lot of people say when they say work family, it tends to be a negative
20:47connotation to a business. But when you actually truly mean it, with your actual actions, and
20:54you're truly being understanding to the plight of people in the organization, be it from
20:59all the way to the cleaning person, all the way up to director and CEO level and whatever
21:03it is, it does make a difference. There's a form of balance that comes in, a form of
21:08serenity that comes in, a form of trust that would otherwise not be available in a workplace.
21:14So yes, definitely, it's something different and difficult, but you have to see how you
21:21learn from that as well.
21:23Same question for you.
21:25Thank you. So I'll probably take a different approach to it. It's, you know, actually,
21:30what he said is right. So the environment matters. I have a homemaker mom, but a very
21:37supportive mom. So that's the environment we're in. Just today, we had the Women's Day
21:43celebration at our nursery, schools, and training center, British Orchard. And it was
21:48surprising, we had a quiz competition amongst the teachers of how does a child really learn
21:53and grow. Four theories supported, which I think answers this question for all of us.
21:58One is the prenatal position of the mom and the child, which is before delivery. The mother's
22:03thoughts, environment, and all that. Second is the genes, which helps a child grow or
22:09take a choice of path, genes are important. Third is the environment, maybe at school,
22:14at a later age, but home, definitely. And fourth is the intrinsic learning ability of
22:19the child. When I fast forwarded to the team's training today, and I realized even I am at
22:24the same position, these four aspects matter to me in all my decisions. Environment, the
22:30genes which we are born with, or we keep lifelong learning and enhance some of our, you know,
22:35gifts or work on our weaknesses. And then, of course, it's our parents and support from
22:40moms and dads, and even siblings. Thank you.
22:44Thank you. Rosamund, over to you.
22:48I saw my mom build the business with my dad and was super supportive. But I think having,
22:57just knowing that they're there, and on the line, and are willing to listen to a small
23:03problem or a big problem, to me, that's the greatest gift. I'm South Asian, I'm Indian,
23:09and, you know, telling your parents that you want to be in a creative field was not the
23:12easiest conversation. So, you know, and I think as generations go on, you know, people
23:18are doing different careers, and so a lot of times you're not on the same page. But
23:24what I really decided, my parents and I, what we needed is I just needed a sounding board.
23:30And so as I get older, that's what my parents are. They're just there to listen and be supportive,
23:36and actually that's all I need to get through the day.
23:39Okay. Omnia.
23:42Yeah, adding to the very great points, I see that the different generation between me and
23:49my parents, it was a big challenge, again, but it's about how supportive they are. So,
23:55for example, since I was young, I prefer solo traveling. So female, alone, traveling,
24:03and she's a kid for them. So it's the matter of how they support you taking the challenges.
24:10It's the matter how they trust that you are going for experience. You are going to increase
24:16the responsibilities and to be more independent. So this is one, was one of the key factors
24:23that made me build my independence when I was young. How supportive they are to start
24:32my own business. Like my dad is very harsh. He's like, of course you can do that. When
24:37I got the highest grades, I graduated from uni with the highest honors. He's like, who
24:41else should do it? You should get it. You know?
24:44It's just understood.
24:45Yeah, it's like, it's a done deal. So it was very harsh, but again, this was injected in
24:53me, the fact that I have to, you know, to run like no other ways. So it's their support,
25:03pure, their support and their direction, or I've never done all of this by myself. So
25:10Family is love. It's the thing.
25:13Okay. Question. If you could give one piece of advice to a woman, young, old, or otherwise,
25:23who's starting out on an entrepreneurial journey or is wanting to look at the journey, what
25:28would that be?
25:30Looking at the journey. That's a loaded question because there are different ways of looking
25:37at it. If you want to do it on your own, there are so many different ways that ends up occurring.
25:42Like Rosamond's story is completely different to, sorry, Vandana, yes, of course, and sorry
25:49also Omnia, you know, like every individual had their own aha moment or realization. For
25:58me, for example, it was a bit more mainstream and quite, you know, traditional. My family
26:03was doing this. I understood that I wanted to do this with the family. What, what am
26:07I going to cultivate within myself that I can add to the family? So it was a bit more
26:12traditional mainstream way of doing that, but there's no shame in whichever path ends
26:17up coming to put you in that position of being an entrepreneur and holding the reins of your
26:22own business and the reins of controlling your own life. There are different ways in
26:27which you might get to that moment or get to that opportunity and you will fail. You
26:33will make a lot of mistakes. If you don't make mistakes, there's something wrong with
26:36what's going on or nobody's telling you the truth of what's happening. You know, that
26:40is the honest truth. If everything is roses, either your team is lying to you and there's
26:45something happening and they're hiding it or you really don't know what's going on and
26:51that's not a good, you end up being in a bubble and the bubble will burst under you and you're
26:56just going to fall. Fine. Even if that occurs, being able to pick yourself up and to have
27:01the people around you also that will say, you know what, it's fine. Just like Roseman
27:06said, I did a SWOT analysis and I said, okay, these are where I'm weak. Let me hire the
27:12person that can take on those roles because there's no point of teaching. You don't need
27:15to be the jack of all trades. You just need to understand what those trades are, but get
27:20a specialist to actually implement those gaps that you end up finding. So yeah, I feel
27:27that you persevere through whatever you're going through. Follow your gut. If your gut's
27:32leading you the wrong way multiple times, take on the right person to help you with
27:35that. But it's very important to always push forward and always see what can I do next
27:45time? What can I change? And never think that, okay, it's set. The rules aren't set.
27:50You make your rules when you're an entrepreneur. So thinking outside of the box, taking on
27:54new partners, taking on new roles, taking on new business opportunities, it's you who
28:00gets to do it and you can do it as slowly as you want to and as fast as you want to.
28:05But know that the responsibility is yours and it's okay to make mistakes.
28:10Yes, thank you for that, Gautam. I think well said. Two things from my side. One is I've
28:15been an ex-banker. I enjoyed wealth management, customer care at length. Started my own nursery.
28:21I took the plunge as an entrepreneur. It's not easy, but I think the risk appetite for
28:26all of us is a big animal in our own brain. Once we cross it, I think entrepreneurship
28:32is there for all of us to try at any level, especially now with so many tech, I mean online
28:38entrepreneurship opportunities we have for so many career pathways for women and young
28:44men as well. And of course, never say never, because you have to have, like I said, a plan B
28:50at every step and corner of the way. It's a lot of learning, definitely, and you always
28:54have a backup plan. You always go up and get a job at any point with so much of experience
28:59and learning after being an entrepreneur. It's always worth it to take the risk.
29:03Yeah, I guess it's that sense of flexibility within you.
29:06Yeah, absolutely.
29:08Rosamund, what would your one advice be?
29:11So my advice from experience is really putting a team together. And when you are building
29:18a business, to me, the person that is your partner should be, if you're a creative, you
29:25should always have a finance person. And I always say that because you need a balance.
29:31And it's not my advice. You can look at every single example, whether it's a Tom Ford and
29:36a Domenico Di Sole or Bernard Arnault and every designer under him, there's always a
29:42business person to really put things on track. Because as a creative, you can get excited
29:49and you can plan and you always need someone to always be able to say no to, yes to, have
29:56an honest conversation. I think at a certain point when leaders start getting that fancy
30:02title of a CEO or a founder and your team gets bigger and bigger, a lot of times your
30:07team will come in and they just, they end up being the yes person. And I don't want
30:11yes people. I'm very happy if I have a great idea and the team comes on board and they're
30:15like, that's a great idea. How are we going to execute it? But I'm also very happy to
30:19sit in a conference room and say, you know what? That's not going to work. The timing's
30:22not right. Let's look at another time. Not that there should be a no, but there should
30:26always be a conversation of a plan B, an alternative honesty. And so I just think sometimes when
30:33a company gets too big and if you don't have that culture of really like a core team of
30:39advisors, that's where your company kind of gets in these like elements of shades of gray
30:46and you don't want that. You want to really make sure your team are there to build your
30:50vision.
30:51Okay. Omnia.
30:52Okay. Based on my experience, I hear a lot of people saying dream big, dream big. Yes,
31:00sure. But there is a lot of people who do dream big, but few only who enter the battle
31:08to implement this dream and to work on it day and night and not sleep, right? So you're
31:15here to actually, I'm here to compete with my own self before the competition. So I have
31:21this habit after each and every meeting, I ask my team, how was my presentation? Why
31:28the client was sad? Why the client was happy? What do you think of my body language? What
31:33do you think? I keep asking them. I don't doubt my own capabilities, but I need to learn
31:39from my mistakes and keep improving. I'm here to improve, not to settle with what's current.
31:44Yeah. I became the CEO. I became the founder. I don't sit and relax. You build this company
31:52or this community to make sure that it's growing hour by hour. Just when I was entering, by
32:01the way, I saw on Instagram a video for Sheikh Mohammed. He was saying either you're a gazelle
32:07or a lion, you have to run. So we're literally running the competition, especially in this
32:14country. It's insane. I go back to my country. They are working, no offense, but the speed
32:22here is I go to my country over the weekend to see my family. I come back, loads of emails
32:30and issues. Weekend, people don't sleep. So it's either you keep up with this pace or
32:39you're out of the game. So keep working on yourself. No one is here to stop you. Women
32:47are actually taking a lot of opportunities in this country. As simple as in Ajman Free
32:53Zone, you can open your company with 5,000 dirhams. So what else is stopping you?
32:59So, yeah, that's it. Yeah, for women. Yeah, so any woman here can take this privilege.
33:12So, yeah, I see nowadays, yeah, we are actually very privileged. Like, alhamdulillah, my generation,
33:17we are like, no, like when I look back to my dad's generation, no, this man suffered.
33:24We have the privilege. We have the internet. We have all the accessibility to the world.
33:29There's a lot of free courses out there. Learn something new. A lot of people looking for
33:35jobs. Yeah, learn, learn, learn. So as she said, be like a sponge.
33:40Yeah, so that's the thing. I think it's been very inspiring actually listening to all of
33:46you. And one of the few takeaways is learning. All of you keep saying that. Learn, discover,
33:52evolve, don't stop. And to again put in a quote, as Dr. Maya Angelou said, all of you
33:59to me embody what she said, which is success is liking what you do, how you do it, and
34:06what you do. And that's what's really important. And I hope they have managed to inspire all
34:13of us and maybe set off more people on an entrepreneurial journey. And thank you very
34:19much for joining us and giving us your time.