Barrister Aqeel Malik's Important Opinion on PECA Law Revealed
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00:00Let's take Aqeel Malik.
00:02Mr. Aqeel, you heard what Mr. Maulana had to say today.
00:06He said that you should make laws and do everything.
00:09When you don't have the wits, how will you implement them?
00:14There is a lot of truth in this.
00:16It seems that you have fitted every room,
00:20you have fitted the judiciary,
00:22you have put pressure on the media
00:25that it is becoming impossible to think and speak in this country.
00:28But if you don't have the wits,
00:30and you are missing the big picture,
00:32what will happen?
00:36Thank you very much, Mr. Malik.
00:38First of all, he talked about KP and Balochistan.
00:43Let's talk about Balochistan.
00:45We all know that the issues in Balochistan are definitely there.
00:51We have faced them with regards to security and terrorism.
00:55In KP, after the 18th amendment,
00:59all these issues have been devolved to law and order.
01:02For the past 12 years, his government has been in that area.
01:06In the last tenure, Mr. Taimur Jagda was in the cabinet.
01:11He is my brother.
01:12He will feel bad if I say that he is sitting on the high horse of democracy.
01:19He has crossed the river of fire,
01:22he has fought there,
01:24he has not stolen the mandate of any party.
01:27His government is in that area.
01:29So, he is blaming us.
01:32The mandate of Taimur Jagda has been stolen.
01:35Let's leave the rest.
01:37I am saying the same thing.
01:39One year is about to be completed.
01:41My brother Faisal Warda is also sitting here.
01:44The work that has been done in Punjab or Wafaaq,
01:48I don't think it will be completed in one year.
01:50But Faisal Warda also says that
01:52your government has made a fashion.
01:55You put everything in the establishment.
01:58You are involved in every work.
02:00You are involved in PECA,
02:02you are involved in what is happening in Judiciary.
02:04And you people are doing things
02:06and you put it on the establishment.
02:08You don't own up.
02:10Either you tell me,
02:12you own up and tell me two things.
02:15Listen, I will ask you two specific questions.
02:22I will ask you two specific questions.
02:24The laws made by PECA,
02:27are they 100% made by your government's wish and will?
02:33Their intellectual creativity is number one.
02:36This is the first question.
02:38Secondly, the changes in Judiciary,
02:40the sub-transfers,
02:42is this purely your wish and will?
02:46Or did you get advice from the establishment?
02:52Or are they totally your children?
02:54I will give you a clear cut on both.
02:57In so many words, I will tell you.
03:00When you talk about PECA,
03:02I can tell you that
03:04this discussion has been going on for 2.5-3 years.
03:06The whole matter was going on.
03:08This is not an overnight thing.
03:10My specific question is,
03:12is this a civilian child or a hybrid child?
03:16Tell me this much.
03:18Is this a democratic move or a quasi-democratic move?
03:22Tell me this.
03:24No, no, this is a democratic move.
03:26Of course, we all want to curb fake information,
03:28misinformation, fake news.
03:30So, you won't say tomorrow,
03:32like Mr. Khan said,
03:34you won't say that this was not ours,
03:36this was theirs.
03:38We don't need to say it.
03:40We don't need to say it.
03:42We say that it could have been better.
03:44This is why we keep on inviting
03:46your joint task force.
03:48Secondly, as far as judicial matters are concerned,
03:50whatever you have controlled,
03:52this is purely your
03:54civilian democratic control of the judiciary.
03:56And there is no...
03:58Yes, absolutely.
04:00I can tell you clearly that
04:02the votes that were required,
04:04were watered down.
04:06And the concept of the bench
04:08was a new concept.
04:10It was your brainchild.
04:12It was a civilian brainchild.
04:14Totally.
04:16Yes, absolutely.
04:18Okay, Mr. Faisal.
04:20Aqeel, I'll come back to you.
04:22Now tell me, what did they
04:24publicly say to you?
04:26I appreciate it.
04:28That's why I requested you
04:30to tell Aqeel
04:32that we own it,
04:34but the impression that
04:36Mr. Chandra Khan has,
04:38an anchor like you,
04:40or an anchor like Hamid Mir,
04:42he can't lie publicly
04:44that the ministers called us
04:46and said that we don't know
04:48and we just did it.
04:50This is a wrong impression.
04:52Number one.
04:54Number two is that
04:56they also had a misunderstanding
04:58that if they want to be enemies
05:00then they should get a plate of
05:022025.
05:04No protest, no death,
05:06no D-Chalk, no trump card
05:08to play card,
05:10no protest, no very
05:12severe alliance,
05:14nothing.
05:16All of this is a spice
05:18to the extent of social media
05:20and mainstream media.
05:22Look, Mr. Jagra and I
05:24have different paths.
05:26Have I ever called you a traitor,
05:28a thief, for Ali Muhammad Khan?
05:30No, the one who is sincere is sincere.
05:32The politics that I am doing today,
05:34I have been taught by Mr. Khan,
05:36he forgot it, I remember.
05:38He used to be in the cabinet
05:40and we sat together in many meetings.
05:42I used to speak as bluntly as I could.
05:44But if you ask me today
05:46who is the backbone of this government?
05:48Tariq-e-Insaf.
05:50What did Imran Khan get in two years?
05:52Zero.
05:54The people of PTI got power.
05:56The people of Islamabad, Karachi, Punjab
05:58will remain in KPK.
06:00The security alert that Mr. Maulana
06:02has received today,
06:04that is a threat.
06:06No abuses have been written in it,
06:08everything else is written.
06:10Who did that? I asked,
06:12you are reading it out,
06:14Mr. Ahmed Mir, tell me who saw it?
06:16The police wrote it,
06:18the police is under the CM.
06:20The CM himself has given a statement
06:22for Mr. Maulana.
06:24I will tell you this clearly,
06:26because I have a very loving relationship with him
06:28and I have never gone to him for profit.
06:30Like the rest,
06:32when I needed help at night,
06:34people came to his feet at 3, 4, 6.
06:36And I have maintained that friendship
06:38and will continue to maintain it with him.
06:40But if I need to go to him,
06:42then I will not return empty-handed.
06:44I can tell you this with confidence,
06:46because there is trust,
06:48there is credibility, there are credentials
06:50that you learn and carry on.
06:52I appreciate Mr. Aqeel,
06:54I know there will be problems in the future,
06:56but he accepted because
06:58he has such a big spotlight,
07:00and I think Aqeel has a good face.
07:02There are many other people in his party
07:04who are good people.
07:06Those who are good are good.
07:08I have a question for Aqeel.
07:10Aqeel, just make me understand,
07:12if 100% people are like you,
07:14we have a very good friend,
07:16Mr. Farooq Naseem,
07:18he was the Minister of Law during his time,
07:20who later did not even run up the MQM,
07:22but he did run up the MQM.
07:24If everything is like this,
07:26then why is Mr. Mohsin Naqvi your Interior Minister?
07:28He was not from your party,
07:30he was not owned by Mr. Rana Sinha Allah,
07:32nor was he owned by anyone else.
07:34If there was a problem, he would say,
07:36leave it, you know better.
07:38So please make me understand,
07:40that there is such a 100% democratic setup,
07:42in which there is no question from anyone,
07:44everything is your brainchild.
07:46Please make me understand the presence
07:48of Mr. Mohsin Naqvi.
07:50What can I comment on this,
07:52I think this question
07:54does not come from me,
07:56it comes from the leadership of the party,
07:58and you should definitely ask questions from them.
08:00Of course, I think that
08:02from my point of view,
08:04or my perspective on this,
08:06that the matters of the Interior,
08:08because obviously security,
08:10terrorism,
08:12the internal matters,
08:14those are all matters,
08:16of course, you know,
08:18as a caretaker,
08:20he has seen all the matters,
08:22and of course,
08:24he is handling all the matters well.
08:28You are saying that
08:30he is the most capable minister
08:32in your cabinet,
08:34Mr. Mohsin Naqvi.
08:36No, I am not saying this,
08:38everyone has their own
08:40forte in their work,
08:42so I think his forte,
08:44I think,
08:46you should definitely ask questions from others.
08:48Mr. Aurangzeb too.
08:50Mr. Aurangzeb,
08:52let's take a break,
08:54we have more questions after the break.